Question about re zoning elementary schools in S. Arlington

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the Arlington School Board proposed to sprinkle the poors equally between north and south, there would literally be a civil war in Arlington County. The families in North would claim they should not be forced to pay for the “poor” decisions of the families in the South. And the families in the South would claim that the families in the North should pay. In a capitalistic society where you have winners and poors, you will always have this dymamic- the wealthy want to stay away from the poors and the poors want to stay away from the other poors and latch onto the resources of the wealthy.

If there was equity, there would not be "poor" decisions. We all pay taxes, we're all entitled to equal education.

Eliminate choice schools and you'll get it.

Dp- you will Get familes moving and going private. You need to do some math. That will clear your crazy ideas up.

The only crazy idea is that the entire country should gyrate to fix a SA UMC problem that can be entirely solved by SA UMC people.

I know you think that as true but the math does t work. If every child in Douglas park went to Randolph the farms rate would still be above 60.
Barcroft apartments is as big as Lyon village. It's just thousands and thousand of apartments and it's full of families with four children and no money. the county is building more units there and has forbidden redevelopment there and elsewhere along the pike has blocked the construction of town homes, which is what passes for middle class dwellings nowadays. These Apts turn over monthly. Always more kids. SFH are slow, generational turnover. 2 kids per school per decade. It's just too out of whack. There's just no way to balance it out.

[Anonymous]

If the concentration of poverty is as dire as you guys make it seem, then you need to start looking for really more creative solutions. Would having upper and lower schools make a difference? I honestly don’t know the area well enough, but could you combine the boundary with another school adjacent so that combined the farms rate gets closer to 40%?
40% is the farms rate for around key (which is where I live), and I personally don’t feel we have a lot of the issues you describe. Either that or I’m too busy to notice them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the concentration of poverty is as dire as you guys make it seem, then you need to start looking for really more creative solutions. Would having upper and lower schools make a difference? I honestly don’t know the area well enough, but could you combine the boundary with another school adjacent so that combined the farms rate gets closer to 40%?
40% is the farms rate for around key (which is where I live), and I personally don’t feel we have a lot of the issues you describe. Either that or I’m too busy to notice them.

The farms rate "around key" is nowhere close to 40%. Keys farms rate is 40% because of Spanish speaking immersion students from buckingham. Redrawing boundaries to alleviate segregation is a non starter because north Arlington is only liberal about abstract issues in national politics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the concentration of poverty is as dire as you guys make it seem, then you need to start looking for really more creative solutions. Would having upper and lower schools make a difference? I honestly don’t know the area well enough, but could you combine the boundary with another school adjacent so that combined the farms rate gets closer to 40%?
40% is the farms rate for around key (which is where I live), and I personally don’t feel we have a lot of the issues you describe. Either that or I’m too busy to notice them.

The farms rate "around key" is nowhere close to 40%. Keys farms rate is 40% because of Spanish speaking immersion students from buckingham. Redrawing boundaries to alleviate segregation is a non starter because north Arlington is only liberal about abstract issues in national politics.

Hate to break it to you but the area around key is 40% farms. It’s in the location review. There is Lyon village, but most of the key zone is apartments with significant amounts of affordable housing. Why do you think people kept bringing up racism when the administration was so adamant about zoning out large chunks of the school— the people being zoned out are all the affordable housing.

The upper and lower elementary is something you guys should seriously consider. You draw a larger boundary and have k-2 at one campus and 3-5 at the other. The larger boundary allows for the poverty to be distributed across two schools. You can have a shared ext day and common bus routes so you minimize the logistical hit. It’s a way to avoid significant busing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the concentration of poverty is as dire as you guys make it seem, then you need to start looking for really more creative solutions. Would having upper and lower schools make a difference? I honestly don’t know the area well enough, but could you combine the boundary with another school adjacent so that combined the farms rate gets closer to 40%?
40% is the farms rate for around key (which is where I live), and I personally don’t feel we have a lot of the issues you describe. Either that or I’m too busy to notice them.

The farms rate "around key" is nowhere close to 40%. Keys farms rate is 40% because of Spanish speaking immersion students from buckingham. Redrawing boundaries to alleviate segregation is a non starter because north Arlington is only liberal about abstract issues in national politics.

Hate to break it to you but the area around key is 40% farms. It’s in the location review. There is Lyon village, but most of the key zone is apartments with significant amounts of affordable housing. Why do you think people kept bringing up racism when the administration was so adamant about zoning out large chunks of the school— the people being zoned out are all the affordable housing.

The upper and lower elementary is something you guys should seriously consider. You draw a larger boundary and have k-2 at one campus and 3-5 at the other. The larger boundary allows for the poverty to be distributed across two schools. You can have a shared ext day and common bus routes so you minimize the logistical hit. It’s a way to avoid significant busing.

PP here. Mind sharing the link? I lived a block from Key for a few years. Besides Colonial Village I'm having trouble imagining which buildings. Is it just because besides Lyon village the area is childless?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the concentration of poverty is as dire as you guys make it seem, then you need to start looking for really more creative solutions. Would having upper and lower schools make a difference? I honestly don’t know the area well enough, but could you combine the boundary with another school adjacent so that combined the farms rate gets closer to 40%?
40% is the farms rate for around key (which is where I live), and I personally don’t feel we have a lot of the issues you describe. Either that or I’m too busy to notice them.

The farms rate "around key" is nowhere close to 40%. Keys farms rate is 40% because of Spanish speaking immersion students from buckingham. Redrawing boundaries to alleviate segregation is a non starter because north Arlington is only liberal about abstract issues in national politics.

Hate to break it to you but the area around key is 40% farms. It’s in the location review. There is Lyon village, but most of the key zone is apartments with significant amounts of affordable housing. Why do you think people kept bringing up racism when the administration was so adamant about zoning out large chunks of the school— the people being zoned out are all the affordable housing.

The upper and lower elementary is something you guys should seriously consider. You draw a larger boundary and have k-2 at one campus and 3-5 at the other. The larger boundary allows for the poverty to be distributed across two schools. You can have a shared ext day and common bus routes so you minimize the logistical hit. It’s a way to avoid significant busing.

The upper and lower idea is interesting, but it wouldn't work because Randolph, carlin spring and Barcroft are 75, 80 and 60 percent poor and have adjacent boundaries. South Arlington elementary students as a whole are 50 percent poor and that end of the pike is where most of them are. West of Glebe its probably over 70 percent of kids are poor. the cb is bent on creating a ghetto there

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the concentration of poverty is as dire as you guys make it seem, then you need to start looking for really more creative solutions. Would having upper and lower schools make a difference? I honestly don’t know the area well enough, but could you combine the boundary with another school adjacent so that combined the farms rate gets closer to 40%?
40% is the farms rate for around key (which is where I live), and I personally don’t feel we have a lot of the issues you describe. Either that or I’m too busy to notice them.

The farms rate "around key" is nowhere close to 40%. Keys farms rate is 40% because of Spanish speaking immersion students from buckingham. Redrawing boundaries to alleviate segregation is a non starter because north Arlington is only liberal about abstract issues in national politics.

Hate to break it to you but the area around key is 40% farms. It’s in the location review. There is Lyon village, but most of the key zone is apartments with significant amounts of affordable housing. Why do you think people kept bringing up racism when the administration was so adamant about zoning out large chunks of the school— the people being zoned out are all the affordable housing.

The upper and lower elementary is something you guys should seriously consider. You draw a larger boundary and have k-2 at one campus and 3-5 at the other. The larger boundary allows for the poverty to be distributed across two schools. You can have a shared ext day and common bus routes so you minimize the logistical hit. It’s a way to avoid significant busing.

PP here. Mind sharing the link? I lived a block from Key for a few years. Besides Colonial Village I'm having trouble imagining which buildings. Is it just because besides Lyon village the area is childless?

I know the Meridian apt had some affordable units, maybe even Odyssey — every apartment has 3-5 affordable units JUST for FARMS families

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the concentration of poverty is as dire as you guys make it seem, then you need to start looking for really more creative solutions. Would having upper and lower schools make a difference? I honestly don’t know the area well enough, but could you combine the boundary with another school adjacent so that combined the farms rate gets closer to 40%?
40% is the farms rate for around key (which is where I live), and I personally don’t feel we have a lot of the issues you describe. Either that or I’m too busy to notice them.

The farms rate "around key" is nowhere close to 40%. Keys farms rate is 40% because of Spanish speaking immersion students from buckingham. Redrawing boundaries to alleviate segregation is a non starter because north Arlington is only liberal about abstract issues in national politics.

Hate to break it to you but the area around key is 40% farms. It’s in the location review. There is Lyon village, but most of the key zone is apartments with significant amounts of affordable housing. Why do you think people kept bringing up racism when the administration was so adamant about zoning out large chunks of the school— the people being zoned out are all the affordable housing.

The upper and lower elementary is something you guys should seriously consider. You draw a larger boundary and have k-2 at one campus and 3-5 at the other. The larger boundary allows for the poverty to be distributed across two schools. You can have a shared ext day and common bus routes so you minimize the logistical hit. It’s a way to avoid significant busing.

PP here. Mind sharing the link? I lived a block from Key for a few years. Besides Colonial Village I'm having trouble imagining which buildings. Is it just because besides Lyon village the area is childless?

https://housing.arlingtonva.us/get-help/rental-services/affordable-units/

All the the listings for all ages in Courthouse and Rosslyn are relevant. There are also still market rate affordable places, Riverplace in Rosslyn is a big one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Arlington School Board proposed to sprinkle the poors equally between north and south, there would literally be a civil war in Arlington County. The families in North would claim they should not be forced to pay for the “poor” decisions of the families in the South. And the families in the South would claim that the families in the North should pay. In a capitalistic society where you have winners and poors, you will always have this dymamic- the wealthy want to stay away from the poors and the poors want to stay away from the other poors and latch onto the resources of the wealthy.

If there was equity, there would not be "poor" decisions. We all pay taxes, we're all entitled to equal education.

Eliminate choice schools and you'll get it.

Not at Randolph, Barcroft or Carlin Sprigs you won't. Simply not enough SFH and townhouses to ever balance out the apartments. Wouldn't even make dent.

Don’t need to balance. Just create tracks and the UMC kids will be just fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Arlington School Board proposed to sprinkle the poors equally between north and south, there would literally be a civil war in Arlington County. The families in North would claim they should not be forced to pay for the “poor” decisions of the families in the South. And the families in the South would claim that the families in the North should pay. In a capitalistic society where you have winners and poors, you will always have this dymamic- the wealthy want to stay away from the poors and the poors want to stay away from the other poors and latch onto the resources of the wealthy.

If there was equity, there would not be "poor" decisions. We all pay taxes, we're all entitled to equal education.

Eliminate choice schools and you'll get it.

Not at Randolph, Barcroft or Carlin Sprigs you won't. Simply not enough SFH and townhouses to ever balance out the apartments. Wouldn't even make dent.

Don’t need to balance. Just create tracks and the UMC kids will be just fine.

I can't tell if you are being facetious, but I not ... guess you haven't heard. APS has a non tracking policy. Sorry, there's an obstacle at every turn. Sorry to have to shoot down your every suggestion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Arlington School Board proposed to sprinkle the poors equally between north and south, there would literally be a civil war in Arlington County. The families in North would claim they should not be forced to pay for the “poor” decisions of the families in the South. And the families in the South would claim that the families in the North should pay. In a capitalistic society where you have winners and poors, you will always have this dymamic- the wealthy want to stay away from the poors and the poors want to stay away from the other poors and latch onto the resources of the wealthy.

If there was equity, there would not be "poor" decisions. We all pay taxes, we're all entitled to equal education.

Eliminate choice schools and you'll get it.

Not at Randolph, Barcroft or Carlin Sprigs you won't. Simply not enough SFH and townhouses to ever balance out the apartments. Wouldn't even make dent.

Don’t need to balance. Just create tracks and the UMC kids will be just fine.

I can't tell if you are being facetious, but I not ... guess you haven't heard. APS has a non tracking policy. Sorry, there's an obstacle at every turn. Sorry to have to shoot down your every suggestion.

School board elections can change that.

[Anonymous]

These poor scores are stunning. You would expect that poors would have FEWER kids than non-poors, but the opposite is true. And how is it even possible to be poor — on a long term basis — in the Northern Virginia with all the jobs? Our non-English speaking nanny and her non-English speaking husband have been in this country for all of 3 years and make over $150k between the two of them. As long as CB and SB continue to legitimize and incentivize poors and the poor lifestyle, the schools will continue to deteriorate. In 5 years if things keep going the way they are, this forrest fire that is devastating the schools in the south will jump Route 50 to schools in NA and in a decade the entire public school system will be ablaze, north and south.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These poor scores are stunning. You would expect that poors would have FEWER kids than non-poors, but the opposite is true. And how is it even possible to be poor — on a long term basis — in the Northern Virginia with all the jobs? Our non-English speaking nanny and her non-English speaking husband have been in this country for all of 3 years and make over $150k between the two of them. As long as CB and SB continue to legitimize and incentivize poors and the poor lifestyle, the schools will continue to deteriorate. In 5 years if things keep going the way they are, this forrest fire that is devastating the schools in the south will jump Route 50 to schools in NA and in a decade the entire public school system will be ablaze, north and south.

This a joke right? I mean, I’m as irritated with Arlington’s housing and school policies as the next south arlignton homeowner, but I’m not just making crap up to besmirch poor people. Get educated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These poor scores are stunning. You would expect that poors would have FEWER kids than non-poors, but the opposite is true. And how is it even possible to be poor — on a long term basis — in the Northern Virginia with all the jobs? Our non-English speaking nanny and her non-English speaking husband have been in this country for all of 3 years and make over $150k between the two of them. As long as CB and SB continue to legitimize and incentivize poors and the poor lifestyle, the schools will continue to deteriorate. In 5 years if things keep going the way they are, this forrest fire that is devastating the schools in the south will jump Route 50 to schools in NA and in a decade the entire public school system will be ablaze, north and south.

This a joke right? I mean, I’m as irritated with Arlington’s housing and school policies as the next south arlignton homeowner, but I’m not just making crap up to besmirch poor people. Get educated.

We're just feeding that N Arl troll who pops up to poo poo anyone who would dare live in S Arl and think it's reasonable to expect the same services.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Arlington School Board proposed to sprinkle the poors equally between north and south, there would literally be a civil war in Arlington County. The families in North would claim they should not be forced to pay for the “poor” decisions of the families in the South. And the families in the South would claim that the families in the North should pay. In a capitalistic society where you have winners and poors, you will always have this dymamic- the wealthy want to stay away from the poors and the poors want to stay away from the other poors and latch onto the resources of the wealthy.

If there was equity, there would not be "poor" decisions. We all pay taxes, we're all entitled to equal education.

Eliminate choice schools and you'll get it.

Not at Randolph, Barcroft or Carlin Sprigs you won't. Simply not enough SFH and townhouses to ever balance out the apartments. Wouldn't even make dent.

Don’t need to balance. Just create tracks and the UMC kids will be just fine.

I can't tell if you are being facetious, but I not ... guess you haven't heard. APS has a non tracking policy. Sorry, there's an obstacle at every turn. Sorry to have to shoot down your every suggestion.

School board elections can change that.

Only if north Arlington elects SB members that care. NA is 2/3 of Arlington, not half. Elected leaders simply don't need to pay attention to SA to win reelection and doing so risks alienating NA, where the most votes are.