Question about re zoning elementary schools in S. Arlington

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Must we go around and around again on this? I'd like a separate APS board with a sticky at the top that says these:

1. Housing policy creates segregation.
2. School board can't fix problems of #1 without busing.
3. No one, rich or poor, wants to be bused.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Yup. Love making self satisfied liberals in NA face their inner conservatism.

It's really fun in person too!

Moms of S Arlington Unite!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Must we go around and around again on this? I'd like a separate APS board with a sticky at the top that says these:

1. Housing policy creates segregation.
2. School board can't fix problems of #1 without busing.
3. No one, rich or poor, wants to be bused.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Except all the kids voluntarily attending option schools. And also those who live too far from any school to safely walk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Arlington School Board proposed to sprinkle the poors equally between north and south, there would literally be a civil war in Arlington County. The families in North would claim they should not be forced to pay for the “poor” decisions of the families in the South. And the families in the South would claim that the families in the North should pay. In a capitalistic society where you have winners and poors, you will always have this dymamic- the wealthy want to stay away from the poors and the poors want to stay away from the other poors and latch onto the resources of the wealthy.

If there was equity, there would not be "poor" decisions. We all pay taxes, we're all entitled to equal education.

Eliminate choice schools and you'll get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Must we go around and around again on this? I'd like a separate APS board with a sticky at the top that says these:

1. Housing policy creates segregation.
2. School board can't fix problems of #1 without busing.
3. No one, rich or poor, wants to be involuntarily bused.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Except all the kids voluntarily attending option schools. And also those who live too far from any school to safely walk.

Fine. I fixed it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Arlington School Board proposed to sprinkle the poors equally between north and south, there would literally be a civil war in Arlington County. The families in North would claim they should not be forced to pay for the “poor” decisions of the families in the South. And the families in the South would claim that the families in the North should pay. In a capitalistic society where you have winners and poors, you will always have this dymamic- the wealthy want to stay away from the poors and the poors want to stay away from the other poors and latch onto the resources of the wealthy.

If there was equity, there would not be "poor" decisions. We all pay taxes, we're all entitled to equal education.

Eliminate choice schools and you'll get it.

Dp- you will Get familes moving and going private. You need to do some math. That will clear your crazy ideas up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Must we go around and around again on this? I'd like a separate APS board with a sticky at the top that says these:

1. Housing policy creates segregation.
2. School board can't fix problems of #1 without busing.
3. No one, rich or poor, wants to be bused.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Nobody wants to be bused. I'm fine with my kids being bused. Nevertheless, unless APS provides a neighborhood school in practical walking distance of every neighborhood, kids are going to be bused. So just bus them a little farther away to create more acceptable levels of disparity - levels that don't equate to "segregation."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Arlington School Board proposed to sprinkle the poors equally between north and south, there would literally be a civil war in Arlington County. The families in North would claim they should not be forced to pay for the “poor” decisions of the families in the South. And the families in the South would claim that the families in the North should pay. In a capitalistic society where you have winners and poors, you will always have this dymamic- the wealthy want to stay away from the poors and the poors want to stay away from the other poors and latch onto the resources of the wealthy.

If there was equity, there would not be "poor" decisions. We all pay taxes, we're all entitled to equal education.

Eliminate choice schools and you'll get it.

Dp- you will Get familes moving and going private. You need to do some math. That will clear your crazy ideas up.

Not the PP but I agree with eliminating choice schools and cutting off the escape valve of the UMC families who are going to continue to move/stay in S. Arl. for commuting and other reasons and will eventually help to even out demographics in ALL the South Arlington schools. Or, they'll move and then developers won't be able to flip houses and split lots to sell more 5+ bedroom faux craftsman style houses for $800k, and/or eventually all the schools will be 100% FARMS from the continued proliferation of CAFs and will start losing accreditation, and then it will be the County Board's problem and maybe they'll have to do something about it.

Because currently all we do is pat ourselves on the back that ATS has 20% low income students and talk about how to make sure low-income South Arlington parents are "informed" and "empowered" to seek out and apply for the choice schools, while we ignore the 80% Randolphs and the Drews with their persistently lower test scores for minority students even though those are the schools that every student who can't hit the choice lottery has to attend. We can't rezone our way out of it. It is impossible with the realities of housing and the opposition to busing, not to mention the budget for busing.

My family is zoned for Drew. We choice out. But, and you can choose to believe this or not, we would send our kids to either the new Drew or the old Drew before we would move or go private for elementary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Arlington School Board proposed to sprinkle the poors equally between north and south, there would literally be a civil war in Arlington County. The families in North would claim they should not be forced to pay for the “poor” decisions of the families in the South. And the families in the South would claim that the families in the North should pay. In a capitalistic society where you have winners and poors, you will always have this dymamic- the wealthy want to stay away from the poors and the poors want to stay away from the other poors and latch onto the resources of the wealthy.

If there was equity, there would not be "poor" decisions. We all pay taxes, we're all entitled to equal education.

Eliminate choice schools and you'll get it.

Dp- you will Get familes moving and going private. You need to do some math. That will clear your crazy ideas up.

The only crazy idea is that the entire country should gyrate to fix a SA UMC problem that can be entirely solved by SA UMC people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Arlington School Board proposed to sprinkle the poors equally between north and south, there would literally be a civil war in Arlington County. The families in North would claim they should not be forced to pay for the “poor” decisions of the families in the South. And the families in the South would claim that the families in the North should pay. In a capitalistic society where you have winners and poors, you will always have this dymamic- the wealthy want to stay away from the poors and the poors want to stay away from the other poors and latch onto the resources of the wealthy.

If there was equity, there would not be "poor" decisions. We all pay taxes, we're all entitled to equal education.

Eliminate choice schools and you'll get it.

Dp- you will Get familes moving and going private. You need to do some math. That will clear your crazy ideas up.

The only crazy idea is that the entire country should gyrate to fix a SA UMC problem that can be entirely solved by SA UMC people.

I’m not sure how many times more times we can point out that even if ALL SA UMC families currently choiced out went to their home school, it wouldn’t make up the difference. Those people will absolutely help some, but it is at its core a zoning issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Arlington School Board proposed to sprinkle the poors equally between north and south, there would literally be a civil war in Arlington County. The families in North would claim they should not be forced to pay for the “poor” decisions of the families in the South. And the families in the South would claim that the families in the North should pay. In a capitalistic society where you have winners and poors, you will always have this dymamic- the wealthy want to stay away from the poors and the poors want to stay away from the other poors and latch onto the resources of the wealthy.

If there was equity, there would not be "poor" decisions. We all pay taxes, we're all entitled to equal education.

Eliminate choice schools and you'll get it.

Dp- you will Get familes moving and going private. You need to do some math. That will clear your crazy ideas up.

The only crazy idea is that the entire country should gyrate to fix a SA UMC problem that can be entirely solved by SA UMC people.

I’m not sure how many times more times we can point out that even if ALL SA UMC families currently choiced out went to their home school, it wouldn’t make up the difference. Those people will absolutely help some, but it is at its core a zoning issue.

Exactly. There are some real dummies here. Do some very simple
Math people. It’s not hard. How many units in Barcoft apts? How many sfh’s in Douglas Park? Once you do the math, you move.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Arlington School Board proposed to sprinkle the poors equally between north and south, there would literally be a civil war in Arlington County. The families in North would claim they should not be forced to pay for the “poor” decisions of the families in the South. And the families in the South would claim that the families in the North should pay. In a capitalistic society where you have winners and poors, you will always have this dymamic- the wealthy want to stay away from the poors and the poors want to stay away from the other poors and latch onto the resources of the wealthy.

If there was equity, there would not be "poor" decisions. We all pay taxes, we're all entitled to equal education.

Eliminate choice schools and you'll get it.

Dp- you will Get familes moving and going private. You need to do some math. That will clear your crazy ideas up.

The only crazy idea is that the entire country should gyrate to fix a SA UMC problem that can be entirely solved by SA UMC people.

I’m not sure how many times more times we can point out that even if ALL SA UMC families currently choiced out went to their home school, it wouldn’t make up the difference. Those people will absolutely help some, but it is at its core a zoning issue.

If you take away the escape valve, the UMC in South Arlington who go public home school should at least get a tax credit or rebate of some kind for being forced to send their kids to school with high FARMS.

[Anonymous]

Some UMC in SA would be willing to sacrifice their kids’ education for a sufficiently high tax break. They could then use the rebate money for a VA in state college (like 529) or even give those kids an admission advantage.

[Anonymous]

this is an Arlington County problem, not a N/S problem. Route 50 isn't a wall of some sort. Its disgusting that people continue to perpetuate this idea that it is only S Arlington and the S Arlington UMC's problem to solve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:this is an Arlington County problem, not a N/S problem. Route 50 isn't a wall of some sort. Its disgusting that people continue to perpetuate this idea that it is only S Arlington and the S Arlington UMC's problem to solve.

Except that the problem has absolutely nothing to do with NA. why should parents at taylor, for instance, care whether kids at hoffman boston can read? I dont really care. Do you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Arlington School Board proposed to sprinkle the poors equally between north and south, there would literally be a civil war in Arlington County. The families in North would claim they should not be forced to pay for the “poor” decisions of the families in the South. And the families in the South would claim that the families in the North should pay. In a capitalistic society where you have winners and poors, you will always have this dymamic- the wealthy want to stay away from the poors and the poors want to stay away from the other poors and latch onto the resources of the wealthy.

If there was equity, there would not be "poor" decisions. We all pay taxes, we're all entitled to equal education.

Eliminate choice schools and you'll get it.

Not at Randolph, Barcroft or Carlin Sprigs you won't. Simply not enough SFH and townhouses to ever balance out the apartments. Wouldn't even make dent.