Question about re zoning elementary schools in S. Arlington

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Anonymous wrote:If the Arlington School Board proposed to sprinkle the poors equally between north and south, there would literally be a civil war in Arlington County. The families in North would claim they should not be forced to pay for the “poor” decisions of the families in the South. And the families in the South would claim that the families in the North should pay. In a capitalistic society where you have winners and poors, you will always have this dymamic- the wealthy want to stay away from the poors and the poors want to stay away from the other poors and latch onto the resources of the wealthy.

If there was equity, there would not be "poor" decisions. We all pay taxes, we're all entitled to equal education.

Eliminate choice schools and you'll get it.

Not at Randolph, Barcroft or Carlin Sprigs you won't. Simply not enough SFH and townhouses to ever balance out the apartments. Wouldn't even make dent.

Don’t need to balance. Just create tracks and the UMC kids will be just fine.

I can't tell if you are being facetious, but I not ... guess you haven't heard. APS has a non tracking policy. Sorry, there's an obstacle at every turn. Sorry to have to shoot down your every suggestion.

School board elections can change that.

Only if north Arlington elects SB members that care. NA is 2/3 of Arlington, not half. Elected leaders simply don't need to pay attention to SA to win reelection and doing so risks alienating NA, where the most votes are.

I don't see why NA parents wouldn't vote for SB members who advocate tracking between native English speakers and English learners. That tracking would barely affect NA anyway. The impact would be in SA.
To fix schools in SA, if NA parents had the choice between:

1) shipping their kid to Randolph to reduce the FARM %
2) letting SA schools do tracking

they would clearly choose #2 and have no problem voting for SB candidates who support it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the concentration of poverty is as dire as you guys make it seem, then you need to start looking for really more creative solutions. Would having upper and lower schools make a difference? I honestly don’t know the area well enough, but could you combine the boundary with another school adjacent so that combined the farms rate gets closer to 40%?
40% is the farms rate for around key (which is where I live), and I personally don’t feel we have a lot of the issues you describe. Either that or I’m too busy to notice them.

The farms rate "around key" is nowhere close to 40%. Keys farms rate is 40% because of Spanish speaking immersion students from buckingham. Redrawing boundaries to alleviate segregation is a non starter because north Arlington is only liberal about abstract issues in national politics.

Hate to break it to you but the area around key is 40% farms. It’s in the location review. There is Lyon village, but most of the key zone is apartments with significant amounts of affordable housing. Why do you think people kept bringing up racism when the administration was so adamant about zoning out large chunks of the school— the people being zoned out are all the affordable housing.

The upper and lower elementary is something you guys should seriously consider. You draw a larger boundary and have k-2 at one campus and 3-5 at the other. The larger boundary allows for the poverty to be distributed across two schools. You can have a shared ext day and common bus routes so you minimize the logistical hit. It’s a way to avoid significant busing.

PP here. Mind sharing the link? I lived a block from Key for a few years. Besides Colonial Village I'm having trouble imagining which buildings. Is it just because besides Lyon village the area is childless?

Woodbury Park, the affordable housing in the Clarendon Baptist Church, colonial village, river place, and there’s another cah building in Courthouse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:this is an Arlington County problem, not a N/S problem. Route 50 isn't a wall of some sort. Its disgusting that people continue to perpetuate this idea that it is only S Arlington and the S Arlington UMC's problem to solve.

Except that the problem has absolutely nothing to do with NA. why should parents at taylor, for instance, care whether kids at hoffman boston can read? I dont really care. Do you?

Now I know where Melania got her jacket.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:this is an Arlington County problem, not a N/S problem. Route 50 isn't a wall of some sort. Its disgusting that people continue to perpetuate this idea that it is only S Arlington and the S Arlington UMC's problem to solve.

Except that the problem has absolutely nothing to do with NA. why should parents at taylor, for instance, care whether kids at hoffman boston can read? I dont really care. Do you?

It has a LOT to do with north Arlington:
NA's pushback against significant affordable housing in or near their neighborhoods.
NA's pushback on any efforts at boundaries that even slightly move the needle toward more balanced demographics across schools.
NA's persistent argument that SA parents need to speak up and demand more.
NA's persistent commentaries that you get what you pay for.
NA's persistent "advice" to move to NA if you want a better school.
NA parents who specifically bought, buy, and will buy only in NA to avoid SA.
NA parents rallying around a north arlington school cheated out of $80K but who don't rally around SA schools whose PTA budgets for 5 or more years cumulatively don't add up to the earnings of one NA school fundraiser.
NA not giving a crap that kids at hoffman boston can't read.
NA's attitude that as long as their kids are getting what they want them to have, nothing else matters - until what they have is somehow even slightly threatened.
NA's constant put-downs about SA schools.
NA parents who don't even know the ELL stats in schools and think Randolph's student body has only 22%

Why should people at Taylor care about Hoffman Boston? Because they live in Arlington; it's Arlington Public Schools; the reputation of APS affects them, too; it's the right thing to do; they'll need people to be able to read their adds for housekeepers and nannies they want to hire; because they have contributed to the perpetuation of the problem; and their "not my problem" perspective prohibits solutions to the problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the concentration of poverty is as dire as you guys make it seem, then you need to start looking for really more creative solutions. Would having upper and lower schools make a difference? I honestly don’t know the area well enough, but could you combine the boundary with another school adjacent so that combined the farms rate gets closer to 40%?
40% is the farms rate for around key (which is where I live), and I personally don’t feel we have a lot of the issues you describe. Either that or I’m too busy to notice them.

The farms rate "around key" is nowhere close to 40%. Keys farms rate is 40% because of Spanish speaking immersion students from buckingham. Redrawing boundaries to alleviate segregation is a non starter because north Arlington is only liberal about abstract issues in national politics.

Hate to break it to you but the area around key is 40% farms. It’s in the location review. There is Lyon village, but most of the key zone is apartments with significant amounts of affordable housing. Why do you think people kept bringing up racism when the administration was so adamant about zoning out large chunks of the school— the people being zoned out are all the affordable housing.

The upper and lower elementary is something you guys should seriously consider. You draw a larger boundary and have k-2 at one campus and 3-5 at the other. The larger boundary allows for the poverty to be distributed across two schools. You can have a shared ext day and common bus routes so you minimize the logistical hit. It’s a way to avoid significant busing.

PP here. Mind sharing the link? I lived a block from Key for a few years. Besides Colonial Village I'm having trouble imagining which buildings. Is it just because besides Lyon village the area is childless?

I know the Meridian apt had some affordable units, maybe even Odyssey — every apartment has 3-5 affordable units JUST for FARMS families

3-5 affordable UNITS - versus 3-5 affordable BUILDINGS in neighborhoods in the south. THIS is precisely why things are the way they are. CB allowing a few token units in north arlington developments; but insisting on 30-100% in south arlington developments.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Arlington School Board proposed to sprinkle the poors equally between north and south, there would literally be a civil war in Arlington County. The families in North would claim they should not be forced to pay for the “poor” decisions of the families in the South. And the families in the South would claim that the families in the North should pay. In a capitalistic society where you have winners and poors, you will always have this dymamic- the wealthy want to stay away from the poors and the poors want to stay away from the other poors and latch onto the resources of the wealthy.

If there was equity, there would not be "poor" decisions. We all pay taxes, we're all entitled to equal education.

Eliminate choice schools and you'll get it.

Not at Randolph, Barcroft or Carlin Sprigs you won't. Simply not enough SFH and townhouses to ever balance out the apartments. Wouldn't even make dent.

Don’t need to balance. Just create tracks and the UMC kids will be just fine.

I can't tell if you are being facetious, but I not ... guess you haven't heard. APS has a non tracking policy. Sorry, there's an obstacle at every turn. Sorry to have to shoot down your every suggestion.

It's about more than the UMC kids. Concentrated poverty isn't good for the impoverished kids, either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:this is an Arlington County problem, not a N/S problem. Route 50 isn't a wall of some sort. Its disgusting that people continue to perpetuate this idea that it is only S Arlington and the S Arlington UMC's problem to solve.

Except that the problem has absolutely nothing to do with NA. why should parents at taylor, for instance, care whether kids at hoffman boston can read? I dont really care. Do you?

It has a LOT to do with north Arlington:
NA's pushback against significant affordable housing in or near their neighborhoods.
NA's pushback on any efforts at boundaries that even slightly move the needle toward more balanced demographics across schools.
NA's persistent argument that SA parents need to speak up and demand more.
NA's persistent commentaries that you get what you pay for.
NA's persistent "advice" to move to NA if you want a better school.
NA parents who specifically bought, buy, and will buy only in NA to avoid SA.
NA parents rallying around a north arlington school cheated out of $80K but who don't rally around SA schools whose PTA budgets for 5 or more years cumulatively don't add up to the earnings of one NA school fundraiser.
NA not giving a crap that kids at hoffman boston can't read.
NA's attitude that as long as their kids are getting what they want them to have, nothing else matters - until what they have is somehow even slightly threatened.
NA's constant put-downs about SA schools.
NA parents who don't even know the ELL stats in schools and think Randolph's student body has only 22%

Why should people at Taylor care about Hoffman Boston? Because they live in Arlington; it's Arlington Public Schools; the reputation of APS affects them, too; it's the right thing to do; they'll need people to be able to read their adds for housekeepers and nannies they want to hire; because they have contributed to the perpetuation of the problem; and their "not my problem" perspective prohibits solutions to the problem.

You've convinced me. I'm ready to send my Jamestown kid to Randolph.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Arlington School Board proposed to sprinkle the poors equally between north and south, there would literally be a civil war in Arlington County. The families in North would claim they should not be forced to pay for the “poor” decisions of the families in the South. And the families in the South would claim that the families in the North should pay. In a capitalistic society where you have winners and poors, you will always have this dymamic- the wealthy want to stay away from the poors and the poors want to stay away from the other poors and latch onto the resources of the wealthy.

If there was equity, there would not be "poor" decisions. We all pay taxes, we're all entitled to equal education.

Eliminate choice schools and you'll get it.

Not at Randolph, Barcroft or Carlin Sprigs you won't. Simply not enough SFH and townhouses to ever balance out the apartments. Wouldn't even make dent.

Don’t need to balance. Just create tracks and the UMC kids will be just fine.

I can't tell if you are being facetious, but I not ... guess you haven't heard. APS has a non tracking policy. Sorry, there's an obstacle at every turn. Sorry to have to shoot down your every suggestion.

School board elections can change that.

They could - if voters voted for the corresponding policies and not for the candidates who they are confident will maintain the status quo. They could - if the Democratic Party stayed out of it and voters voted for the best candidates rather than the candidate with the Arl Dems' endorsement. They could - if more SCHOOL parents would get out and vote and not let SB elections be determined by the old-time Democrats with no direct school connections and the stance that our schools are great and nothing's wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:this is an Arlington County problem, not a N/S problem. Route 50 isn't a wall of some sort. Its disgusting that people continue to perpetuate this idea that it is only S Arlington and the S Arlington UMC's problem to solve.

Except that the problem has absolutely nothing to do with NA. why should parents at taylor, for instance, care whether kids at hoffman boston can read? I dont really care. Do you?

It has a LOT to do with north Arlington:
NA's pushback against significant affordable housing in or near their neighborhoods.
NA's pushback on any efforts at boundaries that even slightly move the needle toward more balanced demographics across schools.
NA's persistent argument that SA parents need to speak up and demand more.
NA's persistent commentaries that you get what you pay for.
NA's persistent "advice" to move to NA if you want a better school.
NA parents who specifically bought, buy, and will buy only in NA to avoid SA.
NA parents rallying around a north arlington school cheated out of $80K but who don't rally around SA schools whose PTA budgets for 5 or more years cumulatively don't add up to the earnings of one NA school fundraiser.
NA not giving a crap that kids at hoffman boston can't read.
NA's attitude that as long as their kids are getting what they want them to have, nothing else matters - until what they have is somehow even slightly threatened.
NA's constant put-downs about SA schools.
NA parents who don't even know the ELL stats in schools and think Randolph's student body has only 22%

Why should people at Taylor care about Hoffman Boston? Because they live in Arlington; it's Arlington Public Schools; the reputation of APS affects them, too; it's the right thing to do; they'll need people to be able to read their adds for housekeepers and nannies they want to hire; because they have contributed to the perpetuation of the problem; and their "not my problem" perspective prohibits solutions to the problem.

You've convinced me. I'm ready to send my Jamestown kid to Randolph.

Thatas precisely the rub: NA senses, whether real or not, than any effort on their part to advocate for SA schools means them giving something up. Funding, boundaries, prestige, choices, whatever. And they won't give an inch. People are liberal until you're talking about their backyard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Arlington School Board proposed to sprinkle the poors equally between north and south, there would literally be a civil war in Arlington County. The families in North would claim they should not be forced to pay for the “poor” decisions of the families in the South. And the families in the South would claim that the families in the North should pay. In a capitalistic society where you have winners and poors, you will always have this dymamic- the wealthy want to stay away from the poors and the poors want to stay away from the other poors and latch onto the resources of the wealthy.

If there was equity, there would not be "poor" decisions. We all pay taxes, we're all entitled to equal education.

Eliminate choice schools and you'll get it.

Not at Randolph, Barcroft or Carlin Sprigs you won't. Simply not enough SFH and townhouses to ever balance out the apartments. Wouldn't even make dent.

Don’t need to balance. Just create tracks and the UMC kids will be just fine.

I can't tell if you are being facetious, but I not ... guess you haven't heard. APS has a non tracking policy. Sorry, there's an obstacle at every turn. Sorry to have to shoot down your every suggestion.

School board elections can change that.

Only if north Arlington elects SB members that care. NA is 2/3 of Arlington, not half. Elected leaders simply don't need to pay attention to SA to win reelection and doing so risks alienating NA, where the most votes are.

I don't see why NA parents wouldn't vote for SB members who advocate tracking between native English speakers and English learners. That tracking would barely affect NA anyway. The impact would be in SA.
To fix schools in SA, if NA parents had the choice between:

1) shipping their kid to Randolph to reduce the FARM %
2) letting SA schools do tracking

they would clearly choose #2 and have no problem voting for SB candidates who support it.

They wouldn't because the school board is not actually about schools. It's the farm team for the county board hopefuls. To get on the county board you have to spout platitudes and pledge allegiance to affordable housing as the county's number 1 priority. Seriously. Catering to an UMC minority in south Arlington that is even the slightest bit skeptical of our housing policies would be treasonous. It isn't in the cards. SA simply doesn't have enough votes for anybody but john v to give a f about. Only when the consequences of the affordable housing policies seriously impact NA will anything change. And it's unlikely to happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the concentration of poverty is as dire as you guys make it seem, then you need to start looking for really more creative solutions. Would having upper and lower schools make a difference? I honestly don’t know the area well enough, but could you combine the boundary with another school adjacent so that combined the farms rate gets closer to 40%?
40% is the farms rate for around key (which is where I live), and I personally don’t feel we have a lot of the issues you describe. Either that or I’m too busy to notice them.

The farms rate "around key" is nowhere close to 40%. Keys farms rate is 40% because of Spanish speaking immersion students from buckingham. Redrawing boundaries to alleviate segregation is a non starter because north Arlington is only liberal about abstract issues in national politics.

Hate to break it to you but the area around key is 40% farms. It’s in the location review. There is Lyon village, but most of the key zone is apartments with significant amounts of affordable housing. Why do you think people kept bringing up racism when the administration was so adamant about zoning out large chunks of the school— the people being zoned out are all the affordable housing.

The upper and lower elementary is something you guys should seriously consider. You draw a larger boundary and have k-2 at one campus and 3-5 at the other. The larger boundary allows for the poverty to be distributed across two schools. You can have a shared ext day and common bus routes so you minimize the logistical hit. It’s a way to avoid significant busing.

PP here. Mind sharing the link? I lived a block from Key for a few years. Besides Colonial Village I'm having trouble imagining which buildings. Is it just because besides Lyon village the area is childless?

I know the Meridian apt had some affordable units, maybe even Odyssey — every apartment has 3-5 affordable units JUST for FARMS families

3-5 affordable UNITS - versus 3-5 affordable BUILDINGS in neighborhoods in the south. THIS is precisely why things are the way they are. CB allowing a few token units in north arlington developments; but insisting on 30-100% in south arlington developments.

Here are the affordable units listed for Rosslyn and Courthouse since we're talking about that area. Your point is valid for north of Lee Highway, but there actually are a number of committed affordable buildings between 66 and Lee Highway, particularly in Rosslyn, Courthouse, and Buckingham on top of the market rate affordable still in the area. This complicates the idea that we can just redraw the boundaries because you have to reach pretty deep into the north to get to the schools with really low FARMs rates. It's not possible to do it without zoning islands or getting people to travel voluntarily for option programs. https://housing.arlingtonva.us/get-help/rental-services/affordable-units/

Rosslyn
Property Name Address Type Phone
Bennett Park (14 units) 1601 Clarendon Blvd. Elevator 703-243-5041
1800 Oak Apartments (38 units) 1800 N. Oak Street Elevator 703-527-2006
Key Boulevard Apartments (33 units) 1537 N. Key Blvd. Garden 703-524-1337
Marbella Apartments (134 units) 1301 N. Queen Street Garden 703-243-6650
Parc Rosslyn (101 units) 1531 N. Pierce Street Elevator 703-525-6111
Union on Queen (76 units) 1515 N. Queen Street Elevator 703-682-7369
Queens Court Apartments (20 units) 1801 N. Quinn Street Garden 703-888-1142 - this one is being redeveloped into 250 units.
Sedona (55 units) 1510 Clarendon Blvd. Elevator 703-566-9670

Courthouse
Property Name Address Type Phone
2201 Pershing Apartments (18 units) 2201 N. Pershing Dr. Elevator 866-768-7218
Colonial Village (129 units) 1702 N. Troy St. Garden 703-525-5555
Colonial Village West (70 units) 2111 N. Key Blvd. Garden 703-524-1337
Courthouse Crossing (112 units) 1240 N. Rolfe Street Garden 703-528-7200
The Frederick (108 units) 2230 N. Fairfax Drive Elevator 703-243-0690
The Odyssey (21 units) 2001 N. 15th Street Garden 703-522-8700
Vista on Courthouse (12 units) 2200 N. 12th Court Elevator 703-528-1193
Woodbury Park (204 units) 2335 N. 11th Street Garden 703-528-3625

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:this is an Arlington County problem, not a N/S problem. Route 50 isn't a wall of some sort. Its disgusting that people continue to perpetuate this idea that it is only S Arlington and the S Arlington UMC's problem to solve.

Except that the problem has absolutely nothing to do with NA. why should parents at taylor, for instance, care whether kids at hoffman boston can read? I dont really care. Do you?

It has a LOT to do with north Arlington:
NA's pushback against significant affordable housing in or near their neighborhoods.
NA's pushback on any efforts at boundaries that even slightly move the needle toward more balanced demographics across schools.
NA's persistent argument that SA parents need to speak up and demand more.
NA's persistent commentaries that you get what you pay for.
NA's persistent "advice" to move to NA if you want a better school.
NA parents who specifically bought, buy, and will buy only in NA to avoid SA.
NA parents rallying around a north arlington school cheated out of $80K but who don't rally around SA schools whose PTA budgets for 5 or more years cumulatively don't add up to the earnings of one NA school fundraiser.
NA not giving a crap that kids at hoffman boston can't read.
NA's attitude that as long as their kids are getting what they want them to have, nothing else matters - until what they have is somehow even slightly threatened.
NA's constant put-downs about SA schools.
NA parents who don't even know the ELL stats in schools and think Randolph's student body has only 22%

Why should people at Taylor care about Hoffman Boston? Because they live in Arlington; it's Arlington Public Schools; the reputation of APS affects them, too; it's the right thing to do; they'll need people to be able to read their adds for housekeepers and nannies they want to hire; because they have contributed to the perpetuation of the problem; and their "not my problem" perspective prohibits solutions to the problem.

A number of NA elementary schools raise money on behalf of or sponsor (pay for) joint activities between NA and SA schools (e.g., visiting authors and other Enrichment). I know many NA parents who participate in SA online auctions to raise money for those PTAs. Other support is to do schoolwide drives to pay for summer school fees or summer enrichment tuition - or to fulfill wishlists of children and grocery store gift certificates at the holidays (organized by the school social worker). Do you want those parents and schools to stop doing that? Is that kind of help offensive to you?

Serious question.

I can’t change what the County and School Boards do with bad policy. I chose to live in NA for schools, to be near my office, and because I liked my house. Am I automatically a bad person?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the concentration of poverty is as dire as you guys make it seem, then you need to start looking for really more creative solutions. Would having upper and lower schools make a difference? I honestly don’t know the area well enough, but could you combine the boundary with another school adjacent so that combined the farms rate gets closer to 40%?
40% is the farms rate for around key (which is where I live), and I personally don’t feel we have a lot of the issues you describe. Either that or I’m too busy to notice them.

The farms rate "around key" is nowhere close to 40%. Keys farms rate is 40% because of Spanish speaking immersion students from buckingham. Redrawing boundaries to alleviate segregation is a non starter because north Arlington is only liberal about abstract issues in national politics.

Hate to break it to you but the area around key is 40% farms. It’s in the location review. There is Lyon village, but most of the key zone is apartments with significant amounts of affordable housing. Why do you think people kept bringing up racism when the administration was so adamant about zoning out large chunks of the school— the people being zoned out are all the affordable housing.

The upper and lower elementary is something you guys should seriously consider. You draw a larger boundary and have k-2 at one campus and 3-5 at the other. The larger boundary allows for the poverty to be distributed across two schools. You can have a shared ext day and common bus routes so you minimize the logistical hit. It’s a way to avoid significant busing.

PP here. Mind sharing the link? I lived a block from Key for a few years. Besides Colonial Village I'm having trouble imagining which buildings. Is it just because besides Lyon village the area is childless?

I know the Meridian apt had some affordable units, maybe even Odyssey — every apartment has 3-5 affordable units JUST for FARMS families

3-5 affordable UNITS - versus 3-5 affordable BUILDINGS in neighborhoods in the south. THIS is precisely why things are the way they are. CB allowing a few token units in north arlington developments; but insisting on 30-100% in south arlington developments.

Here are the affordable units listed for Rosslyn and Courthouse since we're talking about that area. Your point is valid for north of Lee Highway, but there actually are a number of committed affordable buildings between 66 and Lee Highway, particularly in Rosslyn, Courthouse, and Buckingham on top of the market rate affordable still in the area. This complicates the idea that we can just redraw the boundaries because you have to reach pretty deep into the north to get to the schools with really low FARMs rates. It's not possible to do it without zoning islands or getting people to travel voluntarily for option programs. https://housing.arlingtonva.us/get-help/rental-services/affordable-units/

Rosslyn
Property Name Address Type Phone
Bennett Park (14 units) 1601 Clarendon Blvd. Elevator 703-243-5041
1800 Oak Apartments (38 units) 1800 N. Oak Street Elevator 703-527-2006
Key Boulevard Apartments (33 units) 1537 N. Key Blvd. Garden 703-524-1337
Marbella Apartments (134 units) 1301 N. Queen Street Garden 703-243-6650
Parc Rosslyn (101 units) 1531 N. Pierce Street Elevator 703-525-6111
Union on Queen (76 units) 1515 N. Queen Street Elevator 703-682-7369
Queens Court Apartments (20 units) 1801 N. Quinn Street Garden 703-888-1142 - this one is being redeveloped into 250 units.
Sedona (55 units) 1510 Clarendon Blvd. Elevator 703-566-9670

Courthouse
Property Name Address Type Phone
2201 Pershing Apartments (18 units) 2201 N. Pershing Dr. Elevator 866-768-7218
Colonial Village (129 units) 1702 N. Troy St. Garden 703-525-5555
Colonial Village West (70 units) 2111 N. Key Blvd. Garden 703-524-1337
Courthouse Crossing (112 units) 1240 N. Rolfe Street Garden 703-528-7200
The Frederick (108 units) 2230 N. Fairfax Drive Elevator 703-243-0690
The Odyssey (21 units) 2001 N. 15th Street Garden 703-522-8700
Vista on Courthouse (12 units) 2200 N. 12th Court Elevator 703-528-1193
Woodbury Park (204 units) 2335 N. 11th Street Garden 703-528-3625

Fun fact: Barcroft APartments has 1300 units. Yes, that one apartment complex contains dozens more units than all of courthouse and Rosslyn combined, and that is counting 250 units that haven't been built yet. Now imagine a dozen more buildings that are 30-100% affordable and you'll understand why this is a totally intractable, unfixable problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the concentration of poverty is as dire as you guys make it seem, then you need to start looking for really more creative solutions. Would having upper and lower schools make a difference? I honestly don’t know the area well enough, but could you combine the boundary with another school adjacent so that combined the farms rate gets closer to 40%?
40% is the farms rate for around key (which is where I live), and I personally don’t feel we have a lot of the issues you describe. Either that or I’m too busy to notice them.

The farms rate "around key" is nowhere close to 40%. Keys farms rate is 40% because of Spanish speaking immersion students from buckingham. Redrawing boundaries to alleviate segregation is a non starter because north Arlington is only liberal about abstract issues in national politics.

Hate to break it to you but the area around key is 40% farms. It’s in the location review. There is Lyon village, but most of the key zone is apartments with significant amounts of affordable housing. Why do you think people kept bringing up racism when the administration was so adamant about zoning out large chunks of the school— the people being zoned out are all the affordable housing.

The upper and lower elementary is something you guys should seriously consider. You draw a larger boundary and have k-2 at one campus and 3-5 at the other. The larger boundary allows for the poverty to be distributed across two schools. You can have a shared ext day and common bus routes so you minimize the logistical hit. It’s a way to avoid significant busing.

PP here. Mind sharing the link? I lived a block from Key for a few years. Besides Colonial Village I'm having trouble imagining which buildings. Is it just because besides Lyon village the area is childless?

I know the Meridian apt had some affordable units, maybe even Odyssey — every apartment has 3-5 affordable units JUST for FARMS families

3-5 affordable UNITS - versus 3-5 affordable BUILDINGS in neighborhoods in the south. THIS is precisely why things are the way they are. CB allowing a few token units in north arlington developments; but insisting on 30-100% in south arlington developments.

Here are the affordable units listed for Rosslyn and Courthouse since we're talking about that area. Your point is valid for north of Lee Highway, but there actually are a number of committed affordable buildings between 66 and Lee Highway, particularly in Rosslyn, Courthouse, and Buckingham on top of the market rate affordable still in the area. This complicates the idea that we can just redraw the boundaries because you have to reach pretty deep into the north to get to the schools with really low FARMs rates. It's not possible to do it without zoning islands or getting people to travel voluntarily for option programs. https://housing.arlingtonva.us/get-help/rental-services/affordable-units/

Rosslyn
Property Name Address Type Phone
Bennett Park (14 units) 1601 Clarendon Blvd. Elevator 703-243-5041
1800 Oak Apartments (38 units) 1800 N. Oak Street Elevator 703-527-2006
Key Boulevard Apartments (33 units) 1537 N. Key Blvd. Garden 703-524-1337
Marbella Apartments (134 units) 1301 N. Queen Street Garden 703-243-6650
Parc Rosslyn (101 units) 1531 N. Pierce Street Elevator 703-525-6111
Union on Queen (76 units) 1515 N. Queen Street Elevator 703-682-7369
Queens Court Apartments (20 units) 1801 N. Quinn Street Garden 703-888-1142 - this one is being redeveloped into 250 units.
Sedona (55 units) 1510 Clarendon Blvd. Elevator 703-566-9670

Courthouse
Property Name Address Type Phone
2201 Pershing Apartments (18 units) 2201 N. Pershing Dr. Elevator 866-768-7218
Colonial Village (129 units) 1702 N. Troy St. Garden 703-525-5555
Colonial Village West (70 units) 2111 N. Key Blvd. Garden 703-524-1337
Courthouse Crossing (112 units) 1240 N. Rolfe Street Garden 703-528-7200
The Frederick (108 units) 2230 N. Fairfax Drive Elevator 703-243-0690
The Odyssey (21 units) 2001 N. 15th Street Garden 703-522-8700
Vista on Courthouse (12 units) 2200 N. 12th Court Elevator 703-528-1193
Woodbury Park (204 units) 2335 N. 11th Street Garden 703-528-3625

Fun fact: Barcroft APartments has 1300 units. Yes, that one apartment complex contains dozens more units than all of courthouse and Rosslyn combined, and that is counting 250 units that haven't been built yet. Now imagine a dozen more buildings that are 30-100% affordable and you'll understand why this is a totally intractable, unfixable problem.

Barcroft could be a school in and of itself. It's not really divided up well either. The emphasis on walking has played into that. What I would like to see, is a way to provide services to the students that live there, the way that services are provided for those at The Shell or Arlington Mill. I know Barcroft is privately owned, but there must be some way to provide assistance. I'm guessing the issue is funding and where to put something like that.

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Anonymous wrote:If the Arlington School Board proposed to sprinkle the poors equally between north and south, there would literally be a civil war in Arlington County. The families in North would claim they should not be forced to pay for the “poor” decisions of the families in the South. And the families in the South would claim that the families in the North should pay. In a capitalistic society where you have winners and poors, you will always have this dymamic- the wealthy want to stay away from the poors and the poors want to stay away from the other poors and latch onto the resources of the wealthy.

If there was equity, there would not be "poor" decisions. We all pay taxes, we're all entitled to equal education.

Eliminate choice schools and you'll get it.

Not at Randolph, Barcroft or Carlin Sprigs you won't. Simply not enough SFH and townhouses to ever balance out the apartments. Wouldn't even make dent.

Don’t need to balance. Just create tracks and the UMC kids will be just fine.

I can't tell if you are being facetious, but I not ... guess you haven't heard. APS has a non tracking policy. Sorry, there's an obstacle at every turn. Sorry to have to shoot down your every suggestion.

School board elections can change that.

Only if north Arlington elects SB members that care. NA is 2/3 of Arlington, not half. Elected leaders simply don't need to pay attention to SA to win reelection and doing so risks alienating NA, where the most votes are.

I don't see why NA parents wouldn't vote for SB members who advocate tracking between native English speakers and English learners. That tracking would barely affect NA anyway. The impact would be in SA.
To fix schools in SA, if NA parents had the choice between:

1) shipping their kid to Randolph to reduce the FARM %
2) letting SA schools do tracking

they would clearly choose #2 and have no problem voting for SB candidates who support it.

They wouldn't because the school board is not actually about schools. It's the farm team for the county board hopefuls. To get on the county board you have to spout platitudes and pledge allegiance to affordable housing as the county's number 1 priority. Seriously. Catering to an UMC minority in south Arlington that is even the slightest bit skeptical of our housing policies would be treasonous. It isn't in the cards. SA simply doesn't have enough votes for anybody but john v to give a f about. Only when the consequences of the affordable housing policies seriously impact NA will anything change. And it's unlikely to happen.

Looking around at my NA neighbors, I don't see many people who care one way or another about affordable housing. On the other hand, I think showing these folks that certain SA neighborhood schools are totally unable to serve the needs of UMC SA kids unless tracking was introduced...I think that would be compelling. Perhaps that is naïve on my part.