Black enrollment falls below 8% for every top 20 ranked liberal arts college in the country

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Anonymous wrote:I'm tired of arguing with all of you. Time to watch football. I suggest you do the same.

Thank you for leaving. We’ll all let you out the door. Please don’t come back.

Go Bills!

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Anonymous wrote:Not large Asian populations in Williamstown, Amherst Ma or Grinnell Iowa.

There is a critical mass. Great little Chinese restaurant near the Williams campus. And Amherst has plenty - it is a huge college town with UMass. Maybe right about Grinnell but still irrelevant.

And someone has to be the first. There were no Jews at many of these schools years ago. Some Jews decided to be trailblazers. Now they are plentiful. I recognize that Jews can blend in better due to appearances, but the concept is still the same.

Excuses, excuses, excuses...

Neither of these places have an Asian population outside of faculty. Especially when we’re comparing to a place like California.

So you can stay in your Asian bubble or branch out. Your call. Stop whining. Amherst in particular has enough Asians that there should be zero concerns. Sorry the world is out to get you and no one is rolling out the red carpet to make things perfect. FFS.

Bubba. Asians aren’t the ones who need to whine about being a minority. Soon you white men are gonna be the minority on these campuses, because you’re the mediocre students too.

Minorities using the word "mediocre" is like MAGA people using the word "woke." It is a lazy trigger word that advertises ignorance. If you go through life in majority-white (at least for now) America thinking that all white people who like mainstream things like sports, video games, drinking, etc. are mediocre, you are not going to go far in life. Many of us are able to enjoy these things while ALSO pursuing intellectual pursuits like science, literature, math, languages, etc. Not sure why this is so hard for people to understand. Please remove "mediocre" from your vocabulary, at least in this context. Ironically, it advertises your mediocrity.

Different (white) poster. Mediocrity is the perfect way to describe a large portion of Americans - all those Trump voters - and it’s reflected in current college demographics (and Trump’s cabinet).

It may not describe you, but it describes a lot of white men. And it’s strange you are conflating mainstream leisure pursuits with a lack of intellectual capacity. I guess it is a lack of critical thinking on your part? This area is full of lax bro finance dads and women who run marathons and are CFOs. That is not mediocrity. Your whole post “advertises mediocrity”

One last post. I am fully agreeing with you. So many posters here say "oh, he plays lacrosse or soccer or runs marathons - he is not intellectual, has no "merit" and is "mediocre." I agree with you and I am saying that there are many people who are able to successfully pursue things like this and ALSO be super smart and intellectual - they are not mutually exclusive. Which I believe is what you are also saying.

And I fully agree - as I very clearly stated - that there are definitely way too many "mediocre" white Americans, and fully agree that most Trump voters perfectly fit the bill.

What kills me is the knee jerk reaction of some that interest in sports or similar things is completely mutually exclusive with being intelligent. I just don't get it. And the same people who feel this way seem to be the ones who constantly use the word "mediocre" and complain about merit. Because they have a slightly different definition of merit than I do, though I think we are actually in the same general ballpark, to use a sports-related phrase.

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Anonymous wrote:Not large Asian populations in Williamstown, Amherst Ma or Grinnell Iowa.

There is a critical mass. Great little Chinese restaurant near the Williams campus. And Amherst has plenty - it is a huge college town with UMass. Maybe right about Grinnell but still irrelevant.

And someone has to be the first. There were no Jews at many of these schools years ago. Some Jews decided to be trailblazers. Now they are plentiful. I recognize that Jews can blend in better due to appearances, but the concept is still the same.

Excuses, excuses, excuses...

Neither of these places have an Asian population outside of faculty. Especially when we’re comparing to a place like California.

So you can stay in your Asian bubble or branch out. Your call. Stop whining. Amherst in particular has enough Asians that there should be zero concerns. Sorry the world is out to get you and no one is rolling out the red carpet to make things perfect. FFS.

Bubba. Asians aren’t the ones who need to whine about being a minority. Soon you white men are gonna be the minority on these campuses, because you’re the mediocre students too.

Minorities using the word "mediocre" is like MAGA people using the word "woke." It is a lazy trigger word that advertises ignorance. If you go through life in majority-white (at least for now) America thinking that all white people who like mainstream things like sports, video games, drinking, etc. are mediocre, you are not going to go far in life. Many of us are able to enjoy these things while ALSO pursuing intellectual pursuits like science, literature, math, languages, etc. Not sure why this is so hard for people to understand. Please remove "mediocre" from your vocabulary, at least in this context. Ironically, it advertises your mediocrity.

Different (white) poster. Mediocrity is the perfect way to describe a large portion of Americans - all those Trump voters - and it’s reflected in current college demographics (and Trump’s cabinet).

It may not describe you, but it describes a lot of white men. And it’s strange you are conflating mainstream leisure pursuits with a lack of intellectual capacity. I guess it is a lack of critical thinking on your part? This area is full of lax bro finance dads and women who run marathons and are CFOs. That is not mediocrity. Your whole post “advertises mediocrity”

One last post. I am fully agreeing with you. So many posters here say "oh, he plays lacrosse or soccer or runs marathons - he is not intellectual, has no "merit" and is "mediocre." I agree with you and I am saying that there are many people who are able to successfully pursue things like this and ALSO be super smart and intellectual - they are not mutually exclusive. Which I believe is what you are also saying.

And I fully agree - as I very clearly stated - that there are definitely way too many "mediocre" white Americans, and fully agree that most Trump voters perfectly fit the bill.

What kills me is the knee jerk reaction of some that interest in sports or similar things is completely mutually exclusive with being intelligent. I just don't get it. And the same people who feel this way seem to be the ones who constantly use the word "mediocre" and complain about merit. Because they have a slightly different definition of merit than I do, though I think we are actually in the same general ballpark, to use a sports-related phrase.

What does this have to do with white people? Anyone can run a marathon.

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Anonymous wrote:The discrimination is so obvious it’s a bit depressing. Pomona class of 2027 is 14.1% black. How the hell did they discriminate against other students so much that that number plummeted to 5%? Amherst went from 11 to 3%?! It’s bizarre we allowed AA to last as long as we did.

The numbers show discrimination - just not in the way that you think.

How is it discrimination that schools aren’t giving black people unnecessary boosts in admission? California is about 5% black and Pomona draws heavily from California. Why was it ever 14% black?

And Harvey Mudd now has 3% black students.

Both are national LACs and draw students from all across the country, which is 12% black.

How on earth is that acceptable?

Black students face discrimination in the admissions process, leading to their diminished representation.

The average SAT score at Mudd is a 1540. The only “discrimination” black students face at places like that is that very, very few black applicants score that high.

Let’s keep things realistic. Mudds average SAT is 1510 which is vet good with 55% submitting.

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Anonymous wrote:The discrimination is so obvious it’s a bit depressing. Pomona class of 2027 is 14.1% black. How the hell did they discriminate against other students so much that that number plummeted to 5%? Amherst went from 11 to 3%?! It’s bizarre we allowed AA to last as long as we did.

The numbers show discrimination - just not in the way that you think.

How is it discrimination that schools aren’t giving black people unnecessary boosts in admission? California is about 5% black and Pomona draws heavily from California. Why was it ever 14% black?

And Harvey Mudd now has 3% black students.

Both are national LACs and draw students from all across the country, which is 12% black.

How on earth is that acceptable?

Black students face discrimination in the admissions process, leading to their diminished representation.

Harvey mudd is a top stem school that demands students come in with a strong background. If you look at how poor black students do on standardized exams compared to other students, 3% is pretty great!

Don't look at poor Black students. Look across income levels. Poorer students of all races have lower scores. Wealthier students who receive significant SAT prep (and whose schools get them the right math courses earlier), score higher on the SATs. It's a simple formula: more prep = better standardized scores, no matter who you are.

And across the US, there are now substantially more than 3% of Black students blowing tests out of the water. Legacy kids and recruited athletes are also taking up spots with sub-optimal stats.

I think it’s a lot more likely that the very small number of black students scoring super high on the SATs are a very hot commodity. Ivy’s likely have first dibs so to speak on where those kids want to go.

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Anonymous wrote:The discrimination is so obvious it’s a bit depressing. Pomona class of 2027 is 14.1% black. How the hell did they discriminate against other students so much that that number plummeted to 5%? Amherst went from 11 to 3%?! It’s bizarre we allowed AA to last as long as we did.

The numbers show discrimination - just not in the way that you think.

How is it discrimination that schools aren’t giving black people unnecessary boosts in admission? California is about 5% black and Pomona draws heavily from California. Why was it ever 14% black?

And Harvey Mudd now has 3% black students.

Both are national LACs and draw students from all across the country, which is 12% black.

How on earth is that acceptable?

Black students face discrimination in the admissions process, leading to their diminished representation.

The average SAT score at Mudd is a 1540. The only “discrimination” black students face at places like that is that very, very few black applicants score that high.

Let’s keep things realistic. Mudds average SAT is 1510 which is vet good with 55% submitting.

Note that this score is Mudd's reported median.

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Dem voters are very bitter.

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Anonymous wrote:The discrimination is so obvious it’s a bit depressing. Pomona class of 2027 is 14.1% black. How the hell did they discriminate against other students so much that that number plummeted to 5%? Amherst went from 11 to 3%?! It’s bizarre we allowed AA to last as long as we did.

The numbers show discrimination - just not in the way that you think.

How is it discrimination that schools aren’t giving black people unnecessary boosts in admission? California is about 5% black and Pomona draws heavily from California. Why was it ever 14% black?

And Harvey Mudd now has 3% black students.

Both are national LACs and draw students from all across the country, which is 12% black.

How on earth is that acceptable?

Black students face discrimination in the admissions process, leading to their diminished representation.

The average SAT score at Mudd is a 1540. The only “discrimination” black students face at places like that is that very, very few black applicants score that high.

Let’s keep things realistic. Mudds average SAT is 1510 which is vet good with 55% submitting.

Reminder for folks that before COVID, the average sat was 1520 with 100% submitting. A vast majority of Harvey mudd black students today are underqualified and probably struggling to even pass.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm tired of arguing with all of you. Time to watch football. I suggest you do the same.

I love arguing on DCUM. It's the best website on the internet. Sometimes I'll even argue with myself to make other people mad!

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Anonymous wrote:3% black enrollment at Amherst, Vassar, Hamilton, Colgate and Middlebury is inexcusable. Those schools need to do better.

Tell qualified black kids to go to these schools instead of HBCUs. You can't have it both ways. Schools should accept the kids they want regardless of race. Make those kids feel welcome but they shouldn't be treating them any differently. If they don't want to come, there is no more they can do. Perhaps they can do a little more outreach but special scholarships, lower standards, etc. are bogus. Same with athletes before you jump all over me. Though ironically I'm guessing a bunch of the blacks are also athletes so they are twofers.

"the blacks"?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm tired of arguing with all of you. Time to watch football. I suggest you do the same.

I love arguing on DCUM. It's the best website on the internet. Sometimes I'll even argue with myself to make other people mad!

Why would you want to make other people mad?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm tired of arguing with all of you. Time to watch football. I suggest you do the same.

I love arguing on DCUM. It's the best website on the internet. Sometimes I'll even argue with myself to make other people mad!

Why would you want to make other people mad?

Because we have a raving sociopathic lunatic in the White House who constantly has a scowl on his face unless the Village People are performing. He thrives on anger, divisiveness and nastiness. He loves to go after the other side and make them unhappy, rather than making America for all. Our country is a miserable place. And I'm sure some MAGA jerk is going to make a snarky response to show they are "owning me" but in reality they will only further prove my point. And no, we didn't start it.

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The average Spelman/Howard (traditionally considered the best of the group) entering student is not going to get into any of these schools.

25-75% SAT at Spelman: 1128-1303
ACT: 22-29
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 25%


25-75% SAT at Howard: 1050-1250
ACT: 22-28
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: no info, but average GPA is 3.75 which isn't competitive for any of these LACs

25-75% SAT at Williams: 1500-1560
ACT: 34-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 89%

25-75% SAT at Richmond: 1430-1510
ACT: 33-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 70%

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I analyzed the entering statistics for the Class of 2024 across the USNews top 20 ranked, non-military LACs. The domestic black population has fallen greatly across many LACs, especially Amherst, which once broke a record among all top colleges and universities at nearly 20% Black enrollment. It's also interesting that the domestic Asian percent seems to drop rapidly once you go past the top 10 LACs.

Wait- that chart shows BIPOCs were a MAJORITY in several of these schools.

Plus, BIPOCs are close to a majority in numerous others.

How can you claim this shows racism? It shows increasing racial diversity, if anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Black enrollment at Amherst, Hamilton, Middlebury, Vassar, and Colgate is embarrassing.

Yes much better to lower standards to make white people feel morally superior.