Johns Hopkins releases profile of recent class that was admitted in 2025, big shifts post affirmative action

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

They will try but unless someone can make the argument that admission to the colleges are no longer a proxy for merit, this will not happen.

I don’t know why anyone had this belief to begin with. Originally admissions to top colleges was purely the merit of your parents’ income. Even in its prime “merit” phase; the top schools heavily discriminated against Jewish people. It’s never been about best of the best…ever.

If by originally, you mean the 1600s, then sure. Modern psychometrics didn't exist.
But by WWII we understood cognitive ability much better than before and knew how to test for it.
Ther testing resulted in a very high proportion of jewish men at Harvard so harvard instituted holistic admissions and colleges and universities have been using holistic admissions to discriminate in favor or against different groups in their admissions process ever since.

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

They will try but unless someone can make the argument that admission to the colleges are no longer a proxy for merit, this will not happen.

Do Americans actually want meritocracy? We say we do, but do we actually mean it?

Exactly. Do we really love the SAT, or do we only love it to the extent it seems to justify white supremacy? Because I suspect it’s the latter.

So they loved the SAT when it filtered out black applicants but stunned it down when it started following out white applicants?

If we went back to the SAT we had before dumbing down, colleges would be too Asian?

I am an Asian but I will be honest I despise grinding and dislike seeing robotic behaviors and thinking from any races. I don't think grinding hard is Asian only things, Asian are the biggest population in the
world so it gives that stereotype that Asians are all robots. No it is not.

Dude, nobody LIKES grinding. But repetition and practice is necessary to improve a skill.

While Asians don't have a monopoly on hard work, Asians on average study more hours than other groups. Much more. The average black student spend 36 minutes a day on homework, Hispanic students spend 50 minutes, white students spend 56 minutes, while Asian students spend 134 minutes a day... 2 hours and 14 minutes a day.... on homework. These are averages and they explain the differences in average academic performance.

Exactly nobody likes it, have you thought why there is a need to GRIND hard if you are truly intelligent? Is it true passion or parental push? Why do they all grind one thing only (math or anything that looks good on resume?)
Asian parents are known to be tiger parents. And that's the kind of trade off they pick without long term vision. Lot of grind or force to grind students - mentally lost or ill, burn out, go NC (no-contact) with their parents, some need therapy to compensate their lost childhood.

Lost childhood? ROFLMAO.

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

They will try but unless someone can make the argument that admission to the colleges are no longer a proxy for merit, this will not happen.

Do Americans actually want meritocracy? We say we do, but do we actually mean it?

Exactly. Do we really love the SAT, or do we only love it to the extent it seems to justify white supremacy? Because I suspect it’s the latter.

So they loved the SAT when it filtered out black applicants but stunned it down when it started following out white applicants?

If we went back to the SAT we had before dumbing down, colleges would be too Asian?

I am an Asian but I will be honest I despise grinding and dislike seeing robotic behaviors and thinking from any races. I don't think grinding hard is Asian only things, Asian are the biggest population in the
world so it gives that stereotype that Asians are all robots. No it is not.

Dude, nobody LIKES grinding. But repetition and practice is necessary to improve a skill.

While Asians don't have a monopoly on hard work, Asians on average study more hours than other groups. Much more. The average black student spend 36 minutes a day on homework, Hispanic students spend 50 minutes, white students spend 56 minutes, while Asian students spend 134 minutes a day... 2 hours and 14 minutes a day.... on homework. These are averages and they explain the differences in average academic performance.

Seriously? My Indian kid (I count as Asian) spent 10 minutes a day on homework until Calc BC. That was only because the teacher was awful. Kid was admitted to multiple HYPSM btw — mostly because of LORs.

These are averages. Your kid might be on the left hand side of the curve.

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Anonymous wrote:i highly doubt anyone is sending their kids to weekend heritage language schools
because it “looks good” for college. If anything, the time required is a detriment to actually pursuing other EC activities that can be a bona fide admissions hook, like travel sports.

Travel sports are a hook? In what universe?

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I guess you haven’t heard or overheard any candid conversations with white parents whose kids have been shut out of their state flagships.

45% Asian At Hopkins is pretty dramatic.

Asians shouldn't be punished for being super smart, just like certain groups shouln't be punished for producing outstanding athletes.

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Anonymous wrote:i highly doubt anyone is sending their kids to weekend heritage language schools
because it “looks good” for college. If anything, the time required is a detriment to actually pursuing other EC activities that can be a bona fide admissions hook, like travel sports.

Travel sports are a hook? In what universe?

The recruited one. It’s the biggest hook of all but one of the hardest ones to achieve.

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

They will try but unless someone can make the argument that admission to the colleges are no longer a proxy for merit, this will not happen.

I don’t know why anyone had this belief to begin with. Originally admissions to top colleges was purely the merit of your parents’ income. Even in its prime “merit” phase; the top schools heavily discriminated against Jewish people. It’s never been about best of the best…ever.

If by originally, you mean the 1600s, then sure. Modern psychometrics didn't exist.
But by WWII we understood cognitive ability much better than before and knew how to test for it.
Ther testing resulted in a very high proportion of jewish men at Harvard so harvard instituted holistic admissions and colleges and universities have been using holistic admissions to discriminate in favor or against different groups in their admissions process ever since.

I’m really hoping you’re just misinformed, because colleges discriminated against Jews from the 1920s-1960s. Holistic admissions was started by Harvard in 1922. This wasn’t a 1600s issue. The swing up in student selectivity occurred in the 1960s, where you can follow average grades steeply decline at Harvard.

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Is there any proof that Asians actually work harder than other races? They are more resourced than most races for sure.

And why are they more resourced? It is not as if they have benefited from being under colonial rule, is it? It is not as if they get benefit of affirmative action. Well, it has to do with their family structure and the love that their parents have for them. The family prioritizes education and will sacrifice for the education of their children. It is hard for everyone in the family but they endure. Copy that in your own family and you will be successful too. Need to learn to sacrifice for the education of your children.

The proof that they work harder than any other race in education? The proof my dear is in the pudding. Have you heard of the achievement gap? Or do you think that they are intellectually superior to other races?

No, the proof is in the fact that Asian immigrants are privileged. Because of the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965, highly educated and skilled Asians jump to the front of the line. How else do you explain that 51% of Chinese immigrants come to the United States with an undergraduate degree? Only four percent of people in China are similarly educated. Twenty-six percent of Vietnamese immigrants have a bachelor's degree; only five percent of those back home do. Only 36% of South Koreans have a college education; 56% of Korean immigrants do. Honestly, is it any surprise that educated people would have educated children?

And despite landing on third base in their native country, obviously they don't think hard work and love of scholarship would carry them to home plate. They came to the United States for that:

Like immigrants overall, a majority of Asian immigrants cite better opportunities and a better future for their children as reasons for moving to the U.S., with high shares of immigrants from East and Southeast Asia also citing having more rights or freedoms as a reason. Among Asian immigrants, at least three in four say better economic and job opportunities (86%), educational opportunities (79%), and a better future for their children (75%) are a reason they moved to the U.S. Smaller shares say they came to the U.S. to have more rights or freedoms (66%), to join or accompany family members (51%), or to escape violent or unsafe conditions (34%).

So, please stop with the model minority myth that centers East Asian Confucian emphasis on education as what differentiates Asian immigrants from people whose ancestors came here on slave ships -- especially because those people fought for increased immigration during the Civil Rights Movement.

https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/understanding-the-diversity-in-the-asian-immigrant-experience/
https://items.ssrc.org/from-our-programs/it-takes-more-than-grit-reframing-asian-american-academic-achievement/

I don't know about all those other countries but 56% of south koreans in korea have a college degree. https://www.koreaherald.com/article/10571930#:~:text=Social%20Affairs-,South%20Korea%20tops%20advanced%20nations%20in%20higher%20education%2C%20but%20jobs,education%20level%20and%20employment%20rate.

People are cherrypicking data and trying to try and undermine an inconvenient truth.

Asians account for maybe 7% of America and causcasians account for 62%, The difference in academic success cannot be attributed to the factor you are describing.

Whether faith in education comes from confucian ideals or well-educated parents, it is a faith that is prevalent in asian communities at a higher degree and higher intensity than other communities.

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

OK MAGA.

Asia has more than 50% of the world population. And Asians are not a monolith. They make for 50 countries of the world.

So, "WHITES" need to get their act together and start studying hard like other people and compete with Asians. There is no AFFIRMATIVE ACTION for Whites and Asians.

If Whites are the most privileged race in America then they better make themselves capable enough to compete fairly.
Otherwise don't call Trump Taco for reinstating H1B

Is there any proof that Asians actually work harder than other races? They are more resourced than most races for sure.

And why are they more resourced? It is not as if they have benefited from being under colonial rule, is it? It is not as if they get benefit of affirmative action. Well, it has to do with their family structure and the love that their parents have for them. The family prioritizes education and will sacrifice for the education of their children. It is hard for everyone in the family but they endure. Copy that in your own family and you will be successful too. Need to learn to sacrifice for the education of your children.

The proof that they work harder than any other race in education? The proof my dear is in the pudding. Have you heard of the achievement gap? Or do you think that they are intellectually superior to other races?

This seems completely unnecessary in a country where you can live a quality upper middle class lifestyle without ever holding post at an elite institutions. The scarcity mindset of Asian parents clearly is a factor of being from an immigrant background.

* not every Asian country wants to move to US for quality of life.

(Something I always feel annoyed the assumption that all the Asian immigrants are from poorer or developing areas)

But that wasn't the assumption of the post. If your goal is the best education instead of upper middle class living, you just don't need to concern yourself with the t20. There's about 100 institutions that'll fit your educational needs, so what? Do asian Americans have some intrinsic understanding about higher ed that we all else lack?

It's a faith in education that others lack.

Asians have know that education will pay off.

Other groups suspect it will pay off.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

OK MAGA.

Asia has more than 50% of the world population. And Asians are not a monolith. They make for 50 countries of the world.

So, "WHITES" need to get their act together and start studying hard like other people and compete with Asians. There is no AFFIRMATIVE ACTION for Whites and Asians.

If Whites are the most privileged race in America then they better make themselves capable enough to compete fairly.
Otherwise don't call Trump Taco for reinstating H1B

Is there any proof that Asians actually work harder than other races? They are more resourced than most races for sure.

And why are they more resourced? It is not as if they have benefited from being under colonial rule, is it? It is not as if they get benefit of affirmative action. Well, it has to do with their family structure and the love that their parents have for them. The family prioritizes education and will sacrifice for the education of their children. It is hard for everyone in the family but they endure. Copy that in your own family and you will be successful too. Need to learn to sacrifice for the education of your children.

The proof that they work harder than any other race in education? The proof my dear is in the pudding. Have you heard of the achievement gap? Or do you think that they are intellectually superior to other races?

This seems completely unnecessary in a country where you can live a quality upper middle class lifestyle without ever holding post at an elite institutions. The scarcity mindset of Asian parents clearly is a factor of being from an immigrant background.

Scarcity mindset is very immigrant. But it works for them

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Anonymous wrote:This is what Edward Blum et al wanted and they got it. Of course, not the Asian part (they were just used as pawns) but the halving of Black and Hispanic enrollment.

Racism is a mental illness , it causes you to support things that are against your best interest

It is wild that you think asians objecting to anti-asian discrimination are being pawns

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

OK MAGA.

Asia has more than 50% of the world population. And Asians are not a monolith. They make for 50 countries of the world.

So, "WHITES" need to get their act together and start studying hard like other people and compete with Asians. There is no AFFIRMATIVE ACTION for Whites and Asians.

If Whites are the most priviledged race in America then they better make themselves capable enough to compete fairly.
Otherwise don't call Trump Taco for reinstating H1B

Is there any proof that Asians actually work harder than other races? They are more resourced than most races for sure.

There is peer reviewed research.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I guess you haven’t heard or overheard any candid conversations with white parents whose kids have been shut out of their state flagships.

45% Asian At Hopkins is pretty dramatic.

Asians shouldn't be punished for being super smart, just like certain groups shouln't be punished for producing outstanding athletes.

Keeping all these Asians out, and stopping them from taking over the top universities, is not punishing them.

It’s promoting diversity, equity, and inclusion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I guess you haven’t heard or overheard any candid conversations with white parents whose kids have been shut out of their state flagships.

45% Asian At Hopkins is pretty dramatic.

Asians shouldn't be punished for being super smart, just like certain groups shouln't be punished for producing outstanding athletes.

Keeping all these Asians out, and stopping them from taking over the top universities, is not punishing them.

It’s promoting diversity, equity, and inclusion.

Why don't sports teams promote diversity?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I guess you haven’t heard or overheard any candid conversations with white parents whose kids have been shut out of their state flagships.

45% Asian At Hopkins is pretty dramatic.

Asians shouldn't be punished for being super smart, just like certain groups shouln't be punished for producing outstanding athletes.

Keeping all these Asians out, and stopping them from taking over the top universities, is not punishing them.

It’s promoting diversity, equity, and inclusion.

By keeping out the smartest and brightest so lesser qualified can be physicians, scientists, researchers, etc? Most people want the brightest in those professions.