Johns Hopkins releases profile of recent class that was admitted in 2025, big shifts post affirmative action

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

Doubtful. Whites haven't stopped applying to and going to the UCs as a result of Asian invasion

Actually in CA they have. If you look at the strong privates in CA (which is where affluent white kids go) you will see far lower numbers attending top UCs. They are opting for OOS privates because of the crazy admissions process, crowded campuses and poor housing situation. Middle class white kids are still attending the UCs.

Strong privates in CA have large Asian populations.

Many do, and some like Harker have effectively become so Asian dominated that others no longer choose to go there.

It's funny how asians will go to a predominantly white school but wypipo are afraid to send their kids to a predominantly asian school.

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Problem has always been a lack of people skills among Asian immigrants & 1st generation. They can take a test, but struggle to obtain success with soft skills. Institutions like MIT learned the hard way when many would commit suic*de under the pressure too. It was no longer a good idea to admit lopsided students.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

Doubtful. Whites haven't stopped applying to and going to the UCs as a result of Asian invasion

Actually in CA they have. If you look at the strong privates in CA (which is where affluent white kids go) you will see far lower numbers attending top UCs. They are opting for OOS privates because of the crazy admissions process, crowded campuses and poor housing situation. Middle class white kids are still attending the UCs.

False. The real reason is the top privates do horrendously in UC admissions.

You likely don't even know this exists:

https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/about-us/information-center/admissions-source-school

UC enrollment has been going up for several top privates like Nueva, Menlo, Harker. Admissions is low however.

PP: I know that material well, extremely well in fact. I also know the A-G requirements, ninth grade exclusion (not at SLO), ELC implications (local and state), etc. whatever you would like to talk about. I can tell you exactly why Stanley Zhong was shut out as well...hint, he had a terrible transcript for UC requirements.

I also know that your hypothesis is totally incorrect. I also know that multiple large privates in the Bay Area actually suggest to kids that they not apply to the top UCs unless they actually want to attend because the number of slots they end up with is pretty consistent or fixed depending on your POV. So top kids getting slots that won't yield hurts others at the school who would yield.

Why do you think admissions are low? The top kids generally aren't applying unless they are Asian. They are choosing top privates instead though a few will go for other subjects. Also, many of the Asian kids from the schools that you mention go top Private as well. The UCs are far more interesting to Asian Public school kids in the Bay Area.

Show me Stanley’s transcript. why was it “bad for UCs” when he had a top gpa

HIs transcript is in the pleading appendix, go look it up. Top GPA is meaningless somewhere like Gunn, the school is full of top GPA kids. He barely covered his A-G requirements, his covering classes outside of of Math often lacked rigor (Honors vs AP from a school like Paly is the "kiss of death" for a top UC) and his load wasn't balanced.

He either:
1. Got terrible advice from the counselors which given it was Gunn that he went to.
2. His family ignored the counselors advice believing that peak test scores were actually all that really mattered.

His application wasn't aligned to UC (or most elite) admissions at all. Given the two schools that he did get into there were schools willing to see his CS potential and overlook the rest of the deficiencies but that isn't generally a winning bet. His case has zero chance of success.

+1 His case has zero chance. His GPA, as reported by his parents, isn't the UC calculation. UC's only look at 10th and 11th year grades, Stanley got a B in 10th grade, that right there puts him below at least 30 kids in his own high school and literally 100's from the local area public and private high schools. Plus as the prior poster points out he didn't have max rigor in all subjects as required.

https://clearinghouse-umich-production.s3.amazonaws.com/media/doc/157820.pdf

His GPA was a 3.97 UW and 4.583 weighted. This was top 1% in his class. You all have to be clueless jokers.

That is not his UC GPA, and he was top 9% percent of his class, not top 1% for the UC's. Cal and UCLA admitted several of his higher ranked high school peers.

Incorrect. He was top 9% according to ELC but ELCs only state whether you are top 9% of your class. Not any higher. So he likely was top 1% with that gpa.

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Problem has always been a lack of people skills among Asian immigrants & 1st generation. They can take a test, but struggle to obtain success with soft skills. Institutions like MIT learned the hard way when many would commit suic*de under the pressure too. It was no longer a good idea to admit lopsided students.

is that why so many are now ceos? stfu with this dumb racist take

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

Doubtful. Whites haven't stopped applying to and going to the UCs as a result of Asian invasion

Actually in CA they have. If you look at the strong privates in CA (which is where affluent white kids go) you will see far lower numbers attending top UCs. They are opting for OOS privates because of the crazy admissions process, crowded campuses and poor housing situation. Middle class white kids are still attending the UCs.

Strong privates in CA have large Asian populations.

Many do, and some like Harker have effectively become so Asian dominated that others no longer choose to go there.

Not just one school. The entire area has become hunger game, cutthroat, grinding miery

It doesn't feel hunger games to the asians (and other immigrants). It just feels competitive. Your kids are soft.

Boring. Anyone wins within China? Your best miserable demonstration. 17% unemployed rate among Gen Z

Their Gen Z unemployment rate is closer to 12% https://www.newsweek.com/20-million-gen-z-jobless-in-urban-china-11241243
Our Gen Z unemployment rate is about 10% https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS14024887

Who knows your data is correct or not. Are grinding hard and winning at all cost make their lives better so they stop coming to the US?

The standard of living in China is definitely better today than a generation ago but there is low hanging fruit here that doesn't exist in China.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

Doubtful. Whites haven't stopped applying to and going to the UCs as a result of Asian invasion

Actually in CA they have. If you look at the strong privates in CA (which is where affluent white kids go) you will see far lower numbers attending top UCs. They are opting for OOS privates because of the crazy admissions process, crowded campuses and poor housing situation. Middle class white kids are still attending the UCs.

Strong privates in CA have large Asian populations.

Many do, and some like Harker have effectively become so Asian dominated that others no longer choose to go there.

It's funny how asians will go to a predominantly white school but wypipo are afraid to send their kids to a predominantly asian school.

keep generalizing. Paly, Gunn, UCs are all majority asian. Most asians dont believe in paying college level tuition for privates.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

Doubtful. Whites haven't stopped applying to and going to the UCs as a result of Asian invasion

Actually in CA they have. If you look at the strong privates in CA (which is where affluent white kids go) you will see far lower numbers attending top UCs. They are opting for OOS privates because of the crazy admissions process, crowded campuses and poor housing situation. Middle class white kids are still attending the UCs.

Strong privates in CA have large Asian populations.

Many do, and some like Harker have effectively become so Asian dominated that others no longer choose to go there.

It's funny how asians will go to a predominantly white school but wypipo are afraid to send their kids to a predominantly asian school.

keep generalizing. Paly, Gunn, UCs are all majority asian. Most asians dont believe in paying college level tuition for privates.

See MIT and Caltech as well

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

Doubtful. Whites haven't stopped applying to and going to the UCs as a result of Asian invasion

Actually in CA they have. If you look at the strong privates in CA (which is where affluent white kids go) you will see far lower numbers attending top UCs. They are opting for OOS privates because of the crazy admissions process, crowded campuses and poor housing situation. Middle class white kids are still attending the UCs.

False. The real reason is the top privates do horrendously in UC admissions.

You likely don't even know this exists:

https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/about-us/information-center/admissions-source-school

UC enrollment has been going up for several top privates like Nueva, Menlo, Harker. Admissions is low however.

PP: I know that material well, extremely well in fact. I also know the A-G requirements, ninth grade exclusion (not at SLO), ELC implications (local and state), etc. whatever you would like to talk about. I can tell you exactly why Stanley Zhong was shut out as well...hint, he had a terrible transcript for UC requirements.

I also know that your hypothesis is totally incorrect. I also know that multiple large privates in the Bay Area actually suggest to kids that they not apply to the top UCs unless they actually want to attend because the number of slots they end up with is pretty consistent or fixed depending on your POV. So top kids getting slots that won't yield hurts others at the school who would yield.

Why do you think admissions are low? The top kids generally aren't applying unless they are Asian. They are choosing top privates instead though a few will go for other subjects. Also, many of the Asian kids from the schools that you mention go top Private as well. The UCs are far more interesting to Asian Public school kids in the Bay Area.

Show me Stanley’s transcript. why was it “bad for UCs” when he had a top gpa

HIs transcript is in the pleading appendix, go look it up. Top GPA is meaningless somewhere like Gunn, the school is full of top GPA kids. He barely covered his A-G requirements, his covering classes outside of of Math often lacked rigor (Honors vs AP from a school like Paly is the "kiss of death" for a top UC) and his load wasn't balanced.

He either:
1. Got terrible advice from the counselors which given it was Gunn that he went to.
2. His family ignored the counselors advice believing that peak test scores were actually all that really mattered.

His application wasn't aligned to UC (or most elite) admissions at all. Given the two schools that he did get into there were schools willing to see his CS potential and overlook the rest of the deficiencies but that isn't generally a winning bet. His case has zero chance of success.

+1 His case has zero chance. His GPA, as reported by his parents, isn't the UC calculation. UC's only look at 10th and 11th year grades, Stanley got a B in 10th grade, that right there puts him below at least 30 kids in his own high school and literally 100's from the local area public and private high schools. Plus as the prior poster points out he didn't have max rigor in all subjects as required.

https://clearinghouse-umich-production.s3.amazonaws.com/media/doc/157820.pdf

His GPA was a 3.97 UW and 4.583 weighted. This was top 1% in his class. You all have to be clueless jokers.

That is not his UC GPA, and he was top 9% percent of his class, not top 1% for the UC's. Cal and UCLA admitted several of his higher ranked high school peers.

Incorrect. He was top 9% according to ELC but ELCs only state whether you are top 9% of your class. Not any higher. So he likely was top 1% with that gpa.

Yes, he was top 9% from his high school by UC calculation (that is literally dozens of kids at Gunn). That guaranteed him a spot at UC Merced.
He was not the valedictorian etc. that B pulls him into the lower portion of the 9% cohort. He got passed over by other, higher placed Asians

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

Doubtful. Whites haven't stopped applying to and going to the UCs as a result of Asian invasion

Actually in CA they have. If you look at the strong privates in CA (which is where affluent white kids go) you will see far lower numbers attending top UCs. They are opting for OOS privates because of the crazy admissions process, crowded campuses and poor housing situation. Middle class white kids are still attending the UCs.

Strong privates in CA have large Asian populations.

Many do, and some like Harker have effectively become so Asian dominated that others no longer choose to go there.

It's funny how asians will go to a predominantly white school but wypipo are afraid to send their kids to a predominantly asian school.

Or they move out... run away from CA.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

Doubtful. Whites haven't stopped applying to and going to the UCs as a result of Asian invasion

Actually in CA they have. If you look at the strong privates in CA (which is where affluent white kids go) you will see far lower numbers attending top UCs. They are opting for OOS privates because of the crazy admissions process, crowded campuses and poor housing situation. Middle class white kids are still attending the UCs.

Strong privates in CA have large Asian populations.

Many do, and some like Harker have effectively become so Asian dominated that others no longer choose to go there.

It's funny how asians will go to a predominantly white school but wypipo are afraid to send their kids to a predominantly asian school.

keep generalizing. Paly, Gunn, UCs are all majority asian. Most asians dont believe in paying college level tuition for privates.

You just proved pp's point

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Problem has always been a lack of people skills among Asian immigrants & 1st generation. They can take a test, but struggle to obtain success with soft skills. Institutions like MIT learned the hard way when many would commit suic*de under the pressure too. It was no longer a good idea to admit lopsided students.

is that why so many are now ceos? stfu with this dumb racist take

It's not racist - you certainly can Google the history of suic*des under Charles Vest's presidency at MIT. There is also the bamboo ceiling as it's famously called.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Problem has always been a lack of people skills among Asian immigrants & 1st generation. They can take a test, but struggle to obtain success with soft skills. Institutions like MIT learned the hard way when many would commit suic*de under the pressure too. It was no longer a good idea to admit lopsided students.

Asian-americans have a lower suicide rate than whites at every age range.

Asian-american women have higher suicide ideation but they don't actually commit suicide at higher rates.

College students commit suicide at lower rates than their cohort that are not attending college.

MIT still admits very pointy students. In fact all selective colleges admit pointier students today than they used to. You can continue to lie to yourself if it makes you feel better but the world is getting more competitive and you are not preparing your kids for a world that will not coddle them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Problem has always been a lack of people skills among Asian immigrants & 1st generation. They can take a test, but struggle to obtain success with soft skills. Institutions like MIT learned the hard way when many would commit suic*de under the pressure too. It was no longer a good idea to admit lopsided students.

is that why so many are now ceos? stfu with this dumb racist take

It's not racist - you certainly can Google the history of suic*des under Charles Vest's presidency at MIT. There is also the bamboo ceiling as it's famously called.

Vest?!?!?

That's like 25 years ago during the dotcom era when MIT was still a predominantly white institution. The suicides at the time were mostly white and female. There is no empirical evidence that academic pressure drives suicides.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the situation be much better this year? Do you think they will decrease the percentage of Asians under 30% this year? I am feeling that they are working on diversity to increase UMR and white on campus when we did the campus visit early this year.

Why is fewer Asians "better?"

because they bring with them certain culture that sucks. like, nobody likes it, including them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Problem has always been a lack of people skills among Asian immigrants & 1st generation. They can take a test, but struggle to obtain success with soft skills. Institutions like MIT learned the hard way when many would commit suic*de under the pressure too. It was no longer a good idea to admit lopsided students.

is that why so many are now ceos? stfu with this dumb racist take

It's not racist - you certainly can Google the history of suic*des under Charles Vest's presidency at MIT. There is also the bamboo ceiling as it's famously called.

Vest?!?!?

That's like 25 years ago during the dotcom era when MIT was still a predominantly white institution. The suicides at the time were mostly white and female. There is no empirical evidence that academic pressure drives suicides.

They were mostly Asian and, yes, that's when MIT moved to a more holistic application process.