Final UK undergrad ranking is out as if last night (The Times)

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Anonymous wrote:What if the family decided they couldnt afford Brown?

When you apply ED, you run the NPC to get an estimate of what Brown would give you as financial aid. Then if the actual offer is lower, you can back out of ED for financial reasons. That does not seem to be the case here, given what the Brown/St. Andrews PP had said.

To put it differently, if you know that you would choose the no-ED school that is 30k cheaper, why apply ED (as opposed to RD) to Brown?

Because the NPC was not correct….OMG…you people are insufferable

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Anonymous wrote:In that case, lets say your kid gets in one of the schools you mentioned, Stanford, MIT or Wharton but no financial aid or very little. How are you going to justify a $80k+ vs £9.3k?

That is a tough one. For us UK citizens, outside of Oxbridge is a full pay degree from Stanford/MIT/Wharton worth $300k more than a degree from Durham, St. Andrews or Warwick? As a Brit, I personally do not think so. But lets see what happens.

My kid was accepted to Brown ED. Zero aid. He is going to St Andrews.

Breaking the ED contract? Why apply ED the? Hugely unethical.

Please stop. ED only apply in the US….go ahead and let the school sue….will never happen….

That’s actually not true. My DC ended up not applying to Oxford for that reason.

That was your choice. The US system and its “college counselors“ brainwash parents and scare them to death about turning down a ED offer for a foreign offer when there is ZERO impact to the US college. They are notified immediately on most cases I know, it is not like there is this one spot now lost in a vacum…please. In our case, we were in the fine line between getting some need based aid and not. Not wealthy enough to easily afford full pay and income not low enough to qualify for need based aid. So the decision was mainly financial.

What is difference in price (full pay) between the two? $50k? Per year? Less/more?

The difference in total cost (per year) is about 30k.

If you are on the limit, $120k is a huge number of 4 years….

UK schools are three years.

Right but the school in question was in Scotland….4 years..

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Anonymous wrote:Just average them out:

This is the avg using the same weight:

1. Oxford — avg 2.33

2. Cambridge / LSE & St Andrews — tied at avg 2.67

3. Durham — avg 4.33
4. Imperial — avg 6.00
5. Warwick — avg 8.00
6. Bath — avg 7.67
7. Loughborough — avg 10.00
8. UCL — avg 10.67
9. Lancaster — avg 11.33
10. Exeter — avg 14.00

Your averages are not correct…. This is the correct avg of all 3:

1. Oxford — 2.33
2. Cambridge / LSE / St Andrews — 2.67
3. Durham — 4.33
4. Imperial — 6.00
5. Bath — 7.67
6. Warwick — 8.00
7. Loughborough — 10.00
8. UCL — 10.67
9. Lancaster — 13.00
10. Bristol — 13.33
11. Exeter — 14.00

The non-london English schools on this list are a steal (I know Oxford raised prices, but the other ones…). 3 years, great unis, the avg US family spending money on OOS options or privates with litttle merit can benefit financially from sending a kid to any of these schools.

This is the key….agree

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just average them out:

This is the avg using the same weight:

1. Oxford — avg 2.33

2. Cambridge / LSE & St Andrews — tied at avg 2.67

3. Durham — avg 4.33
4. Imperial — avg 6.00
5. Warwick — avg 8.00
6. Bath — avg 7.67
7. Loughborough — avg 10.00
8. UCL — avg 10.67
9. Lancaster — avg 11.33
10. Exeter — avg 14.00

Your averages are not correct…. This is the correct avg of all 3:

1. Oxford — 2.33
2. Cambridge / LSE / St Andrews — 2.67
3. Durham — 4.33
4. Imperial — 6.00
5. Bath — 7.67
6. Warwick — 8.00
7. Loughborough — 10.00
8. UCL — 10.67
9. Lancaster — 13.00
10. Bristol — 13.33
11. Exeter — 14.00

Outside Oxbridge which would compete with Ivies, any of these schools here would be a great option for any US student looking to save 30 to 60% vs Full pay US privates.

LSE/Imperial still very expensive when including housing in London. But your point is valid. From St Andrews down to Exeter it is a great option for US students that didnt make it into Ivies or top 25 schools.

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Anyone here with kids who applied to UK schools outside of Oxbridge?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone here with kids who applied to UK schools outside of Oxbridge?

There have been several threads on St Andrews. Also at least one thread on Exeter.

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I meant….this year and not in year’s past.

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Anonymous wrote:What if the family decided they couldnt afford Brown?

When you apply ED, you run the NPC to get an estimate of what Brown would give you as financial aid. Then if the actual offer is lower, you can back out of ED for financial reasons. That does not seem to be the case here, given what the Brown/St. Andrews PP had said.

To put it differently, if you know that you would choose the no-ED school that is 30k cheaper, why apply ED (as opposed to RD) to Brown?

Because the NPC is is what it is….an Estimate….not a binding agreement…..very simple.

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Anonymous wrote:Just average them out:

This is the avg using the same weight:

1. Oxford — avg 2.33

2. Cambridge / LSE & St Andrews — tied at avg 2.67

3. Durham — avg 4.33
4. Imperial — avg 6.00
5. Warwick — avg 8.00
6. Bath — avg 7.67
7. Loughborough — avg 10.00
8. UCL — avg 10.67
9. Lancaster — avg 11.33
10. Exeter — avg 14.00

Your averages are not correct…. This is the correct avg of all 3:

1. Oxford — 2.33
2. Cambridge / LSE / St Andrews — 2.67
3. Durham — 4.33
4. Imperial — 6.00
5. Bath — 7.67
6. Warwick — 8.00
7. Loughborough — 10.00
8. UCL — 10.67
9. Lancaster — 13.00
10. Bristol — 13.33
11. Exeter — 14.00

Outside Oxbridge which would compete with Ivies, any of these schools here would be a great option for any US student looking to save 30 to 60% vs Full pay US privates.

Agree. LSE is also a nice alternative, although price with London cost of living could be high. Imperial for STEM, then Durham, St Andrews, Bath, Warwick, UCL, Bristol, Exeter and even Manchester are all great unis that would be comparable with any US top 50 down to T20/25 but a lot cheaper if full pay with no merit.

This is the point most people here forget….there are plenty of amazing options for a great education outside Oxbridge/LSE in the UK, These top 10-12 schools are all comparable to any top50 to T20 US school at a a fraction of the price if to no merit privates or OOS publics.

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Stop ranking colleges. It's ignorant.

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Ok

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just average them out:

This is the avg using the same weight:

1. Oxford — avg 2.33

2. Cambridge / LSE & St Andrews — tied at avg 2.67

3. Durham — avg 4.33
4. Imperial — avg 6.00
5. Warwick — avg 8.00
6. Bath — avg 7.67
7. Loughborough — avg 10.00
8. UCL — avg 10.67
9. Lancaster — avg 11.33
10. Exeter — avg 14.00

Your averages are not correct…. This is the correct avg of all 3:

1. Oxford — 2.33
2. Cambridge / LSE / St Andrews — 2.67
3. Durham — 4.33
4. Imperial — 6.00
5. Bath — 7.67
6. Warwick — 8.00
7. Loughborough — 10.00
8. UCL — 10.67
9. Lancaster — 13.00
10. Bristol — 13.33
11. Exeter — 14.00

Outside Oxbridge which would compete with Ivies, any of these schools here would be a great option for any US student looking to save 30 to 60% vs Full pay US privates.

Agree. LSE is also a nice alternative, although price with London cost of living could be high. Imperial for STEM, then Durham, St Andrews, Bath, Warwick, UCL, Bristol, Exeter and even Manchester are all great unis that would be comparable with any US top 50 down to T20/25 but a lot cheaper if full pay with no merit.

This is the point most people here forget….there are plenty of amazing options for a great education outside Oxbridge/LSE in the UK, These top 10-12 schools are all comparable to any top50 to T20 US school at a a fraction of the price if to no merit privates or OOS publics.

+100. Americans are so focused on US schools that they lose track of great programs at a better price for the right student.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just average them out:

This is the avg using the same weight:

1. Oxford — avg 2.33

2. Cambridge / LSE & St Andrews — tied at avg 2.67

3. Durham — avg 4.33
4. Imperial — avg 6.00
5. Warwick — avg 8.00
6. Bath — avg 7.67
7. Loughborough — avg 10.00
8. UCL — avg 10.67
9. Lancaster — avg 11.33
10. Exeter — avg 14.00

Your averages are not correct…. This is the correct avg of all 3:

1. Oxford — 2.33
2. Cambridge / LSE / St Andrews — 2.67
3. Durham — 4.33
4. Imperial — 6.00
5. Bath — 7.67
6. Warwick — 8.00
7. Loughborough — 10.00
8. UCL — 10.67
9. Lancaster — 13.00
10. Bristol — 13.33
11. Exeter — 14.00

Kid was just accepted to Durham and Exeter. Awaitin Bath and St Andrews. We are from NV. Kid wanted to go out of state. Applied EA at several US schools….so far 4 acceptances but all full pay…..waiting for UCs…

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Congrats! Those 2 are both great options!

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats! Those 2 are both great options!

Thanks….At this point, unless she gets in one of the UCs, she will likely end up in either Durham/Exeter….