Final UK undergrad ranking is out as if last night (The Times)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What if the family decided they couldnt afford Brown?

When you apply ED, you run the NPC to get an estimate of what Brown would give you as financial aid. Then if the actual offer is lower, you can back out of ED for financial reasons. That does not seem to be the case here, given what the Brown/St. Andrews PP had said.

To put it differently, if you know that you would choose the no-ED school that is 30k cheaper, why apply ED (as opposed to RD) to Brown?

[Anonymous]

Maybe the family situation changed? Who knows. There are a million reasons other than wanting to stick to the ED school why a family might have decided to to a different route. I had a neighbor who was a VP at an investment firm back in 2007/08, making about $350/yr. Kid was accepted to Dartmouth. Zero aid. Guy gets fired during the GFC meltdown and kid ended up applying to LSE and getting in after receiving an ED offer from Dartmouth…..he graduated from LSE….

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just average them out:

This is the avg using the same weight:

1. Oxford — avg 2.33

2. Cambridge / LSE & St Andrews — tied at avg 2.67

3. Durham — avg 4.33
4. Imperial — avg 6.00
5. Warwick — avg 8.00
6. Bath — avg 7.67
7. Loughborough — avg 10.00
8. UCL — avg 10.67
9. Lancaster — avg 11.33
10. Exeter — avg 14.00

Your averages are not correct…. This is the correct avg of all 3:

1. Oxford — 2.33
2. Cambridge / LSE / St Andrews — 2.67
3. Durham — 4.33
4. Imperial — 6.00
5. Bath — 7.67
6. Warwick — 8.00
7. Loughborough — 10.00
8. UCL — 10.67
9. Lancaster — 13.00
10. Bristol — 13.33
11. Exeter — 14.00

Never heard of Loughborough…..surprised to see it with an avg rank of 10 over 3 different ranking systems…..

[Anonymous]

The UK isn’t even part of the EU any longer.

Hard pass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The UK isn’t even part of the EU any longer.

Hard pass.

Wow who knew?

But they are rejoining the ERASMUS program, which is great.

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Anonymous wrote:In that case, lets say your kid gets in one of the schools you mentioned, Stanford, MIT or Wharton but no financial aid or very little. How are you going to justify a $80k+ vs £9.3k?

That is a tough one. For us UK citizens, outside of Oxbridge is a full pay degree from Stanford/MIT/Wharton worth $300k more than a degree from Durham, St. Andrews or Warwick? As a Brit, I personally do not think so. But lets see what happens.

My kid was accepted to Brown ED. Zero aid. He is going to St Andrews.

Breaking the ED contract? Why apply ED the? Hugely unethical.

Please stop. ED only apply in the US….go ahead and let the school sue….will never happen….

That’s actually not true. My DC ended up not applying to Oxford for that reason.

That was your choice. The US system and its “college counselors“ brainwash parents and scare them to death about turning down a ED offer for a foreign offer when there is ZERO impact to the US college. They are notified immediately on most cases I know, it is not like there is this one spot now lost in a vacum…please. In our case, we were in the fine line between getting some need based aid and not. Not wealthy enough to easily afford full pay and income not low enough to qualify for need based aid. So the decision was mainly financial.

What is difference in price (full pay) between the two? $50k? Per year? Less/more?

The difference in total cost (per year) is about 30k.

If you are on the limit, $120k is a huge number of 4 years….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just average them out:

This is the avg using the same weight:

1. Oxford — avg 2.33

2. Cambridge / LSE & St Andrews — tied at avg 2.67

3. Durham — avg 4.33
4. Imperial — avg 6.00
5. Warwick — avg 8.00
6. Bath — avg 7.67
7. Loughborough — avg 10.00
8. UCL — avg 10.67
9. Lancaster — avg 11.33
10. Exeter — avg 14.00

Your averages are not correct…. This is the correct avg of all 3:

1. Oxford — 2.33
2. Cambridge / LSE / St Andrews — 2.67
3. Durham — 4.33
4. Imperial — 6.00
5. Bath — 7.67
6. Warwick — 8.00
7. Loughborough — 10.00
8. UCL — 10.67
9. Lancaster — 13.00
10. Bristol — 13.33
11. Exeter — 14.00

Outside Oxbridge which would compete with Ivies, any of these schools here would be a great option for any US student looking to save 30 to 60% vs Full pay US privates.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The UK isn’t even part of the EU any longer.

Hard pass.

Wow who knew?

But they are rejoining the ERASMUS program, which is great.

Plus they are also still part of the UN.

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Anonymous wrote:In that case, lets say your kid gets in one of the schools you mentioned, Stanford, MIT or Wharton but no financial aid or very little. How are you going to justify a $80k+ vs £9.3k?

That is a tough one. For us UK citizens, outside of Oxbridge is a full pay degree from Stanford/MIT/Wharton worth $300k more than a degree from Durham, St. Andrews or Warwick? As a Brit, I personally do not think so. But lets see what happens.

My kid was accepted to Brown ED. Zero aid. He is going to St Andrews.

Breaking the ED contract? Why apply ED the? Hugely unethical.

Please stop. ED only apply in the US….go ahead and let the school sue….will never happen….

That’s actually not true. My DC ended up not applying to Oxford for that reason.

That was your choice. The US system and its “college counselors“ brainwash parents and scare them to death about turning down a ED offer for a foreign offer when there is ZERO impact to the US college. They are notified immediately on most cases I know, it is not like there is this one spot now lost in a vacum…please. In our case, we were in the fine line between getting some need based aid and not. Not wealthy enough to easily afford full pay and income not low enough to qualify for need based aid. So the decision was mainly financial.

What is difference in price (full pay) between the two? $50k? Per year? Less/more?

The difference in total cost (per year) is about 30k.

If you are on the limit, $120k is a huge number of 4 years….

Fully agree. But then…don’t apply ED to US schools!

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Anonymous wrote:In that case, lets say your kid gets in one of the schools you mentioned, Stanford, MIT or Wharton but no financial aid or very little. How are you going to justify a $80k+ vs £9.3k?

That is a tough one. For us UK citizens, outside of Oxbridge is a full pay degree from Stanford/MIT/Wharton worth $300k more than a degree from Durham, St. Andrews or Warwick? As a Brit, I personally do not think so. But lets see what happens.

My kid was accepted to Brown ED. Zero aid. He is going to St Andrews.

Breaking the ED contract? Why apply ED the? Hugely unethical.

Please stop. ED only apply in the US….go ahead and let the school sue….will never happen….

That’s actually not true. My DC ended up not applying to Oxford for that reason.

That was your choice. The US system and its “college counselors“ brainwash parents and scare them to death about turning down a ED offer for a foreign offer when there is ZERO impact to the US college. They are notified immediately on most cases I know, it is not like there is this one spot now lost in a vacum…please. In our case, we were in the fine line between getting some need based aid and not. Not wealthy enough to easily afford full pay and income not low enough to qualify for need based aid. So the decision was mainly financial.

What is difference in price (full pay) between the two? $50k? Per year? Less/more?

The difference in total cost (per year) is about 30k.

If you are on the limit, $120k is a huge number of 4 years….

UK schools are three years.

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Anonymous wrote:In that case, lets say your kid gets in one of the schools you mentioned, Stanford, MIT or Wharton but no financial aid or very little. How are you going to justify a $80k+ vs £9.3k?

That is a tough one. For us UK citizens, outside of Oxbridge is a full pay degree from Stanford/MIT/Wharton worth $300k more than a degree from Durham, St. Andrews or Warwick? As a Brit, I personally do not think so. But lets see what happens.

My kid was accepted to Brown ED. Zero aid. He is going to St Andrews.

Breaking the ED contract? Why apply ED the? Hugely unethical.

Please stop. ED only apply in the US….go ahead and let the school sue….will never happen….

That’s actually not true. My DC ended up not applying to Oxford for that reason.

That was your choice. The US system and its “college counselors“ brainwash parents and scare them to death about turning down a ED offer for a foreign offer when there is ZERO impact to the US college. They are notified immediately on most cases I know, it is not like there is this one spot now lost in a vacum…please. In our case, we were in the fine line between getting some need based aid and not. Not wealthy enough to easily afford full pay and income not low enough to qualify for need based aid. So the decision was mainly financial.

What is difference in price (full pay) between the two? $50k? Per year? Less/more?

The difference in total cost (per year) is about 30k.

If you are on the limit, $120k is a huge number of 4 years….

UK schools are three years.

St Andrews (the school being compared to Brown) is 4 years, not 3.

[Anonymous]

Scottish unis usually are 4 years. English & Welsh unis are usually 3 yrs.

The US college system was modeled on Scottish system.

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The ine thing to know about UK universities is that they do not provide the same level of scaffolding as many US universities provide. Students need to self-advocate, need to take the time to learn the rules and follow them, and need to be self-sufficient.

Also, housing in London is terribly expensive and none of the London colleges guarantee 3 years of student housing. Most try to provide freshman housing options, but one needs to find a flat for later years.

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Anonymous wrote:The ine thing to know about UK universities is that they do not provide the same level of scaffolding as many US universities provide. Students need to self-advocate, need to take the time to learn the rules and follow them, and need to be self-sufficient.

Also, housing in London is terribly expensive and none of the London colleges guarantee 3 years of student housing. Most try to provide freshman housing options, but one needs to find a flat for later years.

Sounds like NYU….wow…
And wait, are you saying adults are treated like adults instead of handholding? Wow

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Anonymous wrote:Just average them out:

This is the avg using the same weight:

1. Oxford — avg 2.33

2. Cambridge / LSE & St Andrews — tied at avg 2.67

3. Durham — avg 4.33
4. Imperial — avg 6.00
5. Warwick — avg 8.00
6. Bath — avg 7.67
7. Loughborough — avg 10.00
8. UCL — avg 10.67
9. Lancaster — avg 11.33
10. Exeter — avg 14.00

Your averages are not correct…. This is the correct avg of all 3:

1. Oxford — 2.33
2. Cambridge / LSE / St Andrews — 2.67
3. Durham — 4.33
4. Imperial — 6.00
5. Bath — 7.67
6. Warwick — 8.00
7. Loughborough — 10.00
8. UCL — 10.67
9. Lancaster — 13.00
10. Bristol — 13.33
11. Exeter — 14.00

Outside Oxbridge which would compete with Ivies, any of these schools here would be a great option for any US student looking to save 30 to 60% vs Full pay US privates.

Agree. LSE is also a nice alternative, although price with London cost of living could be high. Imperial for STEM, then Durham, St Andrews, Bath, Warwick, UCL, Bristol, Exeter and even Manchester are all great unis that would be comparable with any US top 50 down to T20/25 but a lot cheaper if full pay with no merit.