Final UK undergrad ranking is out as if last night (The Times)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cambridge is expensive for an American. Tuition is $30,000 pounds to $70,500 pounds, depending upon major; there's a living costs estimate of $1,305 pounds (does not include travel); College fees of $12,000 pounds, and Room at $11,745 pounds. Meals are estimated to be between 4 and 7 pounds each. That can go well over $100K fast. https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/international-students/international-fees-and-costs

The biggest component is the tuition fee and that varies hugely. You really need to focus on the likely degree to work out costs. Economics, politics and classics cost £29,000 per year. The highest annual tuition fee of £70,500 is only for medicine or vet science and I’m not sure it’s a valid comparison as most students studying medicine are going directly from high school to do a six year medical degree. So completely different to the US and I can’t imagine many American students are doing that given the professional barriers

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Anonymous wrote:Just average them out:

This is the avg using the same weight:

1. Oxford — avg 2.33

2. Cambridge / LSE & St Andrews — tied at avg 2.67

3. Durham — avg 4.33
4. Imperial — avg 6.00
5. Warwick — avg 8.00
6. Bath — avg 7.67
7. Loughborough — avg 10.00
8. UCL — avg 10.67
9. Lancaster — avg 11.33
10. Exeter — avg 14.00

Your averages are not correct…. This is the correct avg of all 3:

1. Oxford — 2.33
2. Cambridge / LSE / St Andrews — 2.67
3. Durham — 4.33
4. Imperial — 6.00
5. Bath — 7.67
6. Warwick — 8.00
7. Loughborough — 10.00
8. UCL — 10.67
9. Lancaster — 13.00
10. Bristol — 13.33
11. Exeter — 14.00

Outside Oxbridge which would compete with Ivies, any of these schools here would be a great option for any US student looking to save 30 to 60% vs Full pay US privates.

This is exactly what we are looking at. Kid wont be applying to Oxbridge. But will apply to 5 of the ones in this exact list. If your kid knows what he/she wants to do, the 3 yr programs in England make a lot of sense and yes, you will be saving a[b] ton of money (specially if outside of London). The Scottish unis being 4 yrs reduce the gap in price. But it still still cheaper than most top 100 private full pay.

Scottish unis also have 3 year programs for quite a few subjects

Not really, St. Andrews is $71,968 a year plus you have to add on airfare, which is a LOT over four years plus cost of family going over for graduation. https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/students/money/internationalstudents/ugcoa/. That's easily $320,000. Your state flagship at $40K would be a far better investment.

Oh god again. Nobody here but you are talking about state flagships. One of my kids at st andrews and i have never [b]in 3 yrs spent $72k. Stop the bs. Flights from Phily or NyC to Edi are basically the same price as flighta accross the us. Besides, tuition is $44-45k dollars. If u live on campus you can do it cor $10-11k dollars. Stop spreading misinformation. $55k to $56k for tuition and accomodations this upcoming year.

What is wrong with you? The PP’s link to St Andrews site adds up to precisely that! Who cares what you think you paid? I’m going with what St. Andrews prints as COA.

Considering im paying for one more yr there, i think i know a little more than you….

33,250 pounds for tuition. If DD was at a school hall like DRA she would pay 8,000 pounds….. do the math….. she actually shares an apt in town w 3 other girls and pays $650 a month…. So yes i know what im talking about.

My kid is at St. Andrews. We are paying more than the $71,128 listed right here for tuition and fees. Airfare is additional https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/students/money/internationalstudents/ugcoa/.

I dont believe you. Show me the numbers. The discussion here is about Tuition and Dorms. Unless your kid is studying medicine, there is no way you are paying $71k unless you are adding every little $ your kid spends on bubble gum to make this crap up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just average them out:

This is the avg using the same weight:

1. Oxford — avg 2.33

2. Cambridge / LSE & St Andrews — tied at avg 2.67

3. Durham — avg 4.33
4. Imperial — avg 6.00
5. Warwick — avg 8.00
6. Bath — avg 7.67
7. Loughborough — avg 10.00
8. UCL — avg 10.67
9. Lancaster — avg 11.33
10. Exeter — avg 14.00

Your averages are not correct…. This is the correct avg of all 3:

1. Oxford — 2.33
2. Cambridge / LSE / St Andrews — 2.67
3. Durham — 4.33
4. Imperial — 6.00
5. Bath — 7.67
6. Warwick — 8.00
7. Loughborough — 10.00
8. UCL — 10.67
9. Lancaster — 13.00
10. Bristol — 13.33
11. Exeter — 14.00

Outside Oxbridge which would compete with Ivies, any of these schools here would be a great option for any US student looking to save 30 to 60% vs Full pay US privates.

This is exactly what we are looking at. Kid wont be applying to Oxbridge. But will apply to 5 of the ones in this exact list. If your kid knows what he/she wants to do, the 3 yr programs in England make a lot of sense and yes, you will be saving a[b] ton of money (specially if outside of London). The Scottish unis being 4 yrs reduce the gap in price. But it still still cheaper than most top 100 private full pay.

Scottish unis also have 3 year programs for quite a few subjects

Not really, St. Andrews is $71,968 a year plus you have to add on airfare, which is a LOT over four years plus cost of family going over for graduation. https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/students/money/internationalstudents/ugcoa/. That's easily $320,000. Your state flagship at $40K would be a far better investment.

Oh god again. Nobody here but you are talking about state flagships. One of my kids at st andrews and i have never in 3 yrs spent $72k. Stop the bs. Flights from Phily or NyC to Edi are basically the same price as flighta accross the us. Besides, tuition is $44-45k dollars. If u live on campus you can do it cor $10-11k dollars. Stop spreading misinformation. $55k to $56k for tuition and accomodations this upcoming year.

What is wrong with you? The PP’s link to St Andrews site adds up to precisely that! Who cares what you think you paid? I’m going with what St. Andrews prints as COA.

Considering im paying for one more yr there, i think i know a little more than you….

33,250 pounds for tuition. If DD was at a school hall like DRA she would pay 8,000 pounds….. do the math….. she actually shares an apt in town w 3 other girls and pays $650 a month…. So yes i know what im talking about.

My kid is at St. Andrews. We are paying more than the $71,128 listed right here for tuition and fees. Airfare is additional https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/students/money/internationalstudents/ugcoa/.

I dont believe you. Show me the numbers. The discussion here is about Tuition and Dorms. Unless your kid is studying medicine, there is no way you are paying $71k unless you are adding every little $ your kid spends on bubble gum to make this crap up.

From St. Andrews admissions page:
Undergraduate estimated cost of attendance for 2025–2026. $66,705 plus $5,623 equals $72,328

Item GBP sterling USD dollars
Tuition fees (actual tuition fees tables) £29,093 $40,730
Catered residence fees or rent, utilities, food £11,954 $16,735
Travel (based on two trips each year) £2,000 $2,800
Computer equipment, books, etc. £800 $1,200
Personal, living expenses for 38 weeks £3,800 $5,320
Totals £47,647 [b]$66,705
Important: The dollar value for every loan disbursement will be converted to sterling based on the exchange rate on the day that the funds are received by the University's bank.

Entrant students
If you are an entrant student, you are eligible to add the following charges to your cost of attendance, if you wish.

Item GBP sterling USD dollars
Visa £524 $734
Immigration healthcare surcharge
(based on four years of study) £3,492 $4,889
Totals £4,016 $5,623
Adjustments to the cost of attendance for additional needs
US Federal Law also permits the university to increase an individual cost of attendance for some additional costs, including, but not limited to:

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just average them out:

This is the avg using the same weight:

1. Oxford — avg 2.33

2. Cambridge / LSE & St Andrews — tied at avg 2.67

3. Durham — avg 4.33
4. Imperial — avg 6.00
5. Warwick — avg 8.00
6. Bath — avg 7.67
7. Loughborough — avg 10.00
8. UCL — avg 10.67
9. Lancaster — avg 11.33
10. Exeter — avg 14.00

Your averages are not correct…. This is the correct avg of all 3:

1. Oxford — 2.33
2. Cambridge / LSE / St Andrews — 2.67
3. Durham — 4.33
4. Imperial — 6.00
5. Bath — 7.67
6. Warwick — 8.00
7. Loughborough — 10.00
8. UCL — 10.67
9. Lancaster — 13.00
10. Bristol — 13.33
11. Exeter — 14.00

Outside Oxbridge which would compete with Ivies, any of these schools here would be a great option for any US student looking to save 30 to 60% vs Full pay US privates.

This is exactly what we are looking at. Kid wont be applying to Oxbridge. But will apply to 5 of the ones in this exact list. If your kid knows what he/she wants to do, the 3 yr programs in England make a lot of sense and yes, you will be saving a[b] ton of money (specially if outside of London). The Scottish unis being 4 yrs reduce the gap in price. But it still still cheaper than most top 100 private full pay.

Scottish unis also have 3 year programs for quite a few subjects

Not really, St. Andrews is $71,968 a year plus you have to add on airfare, which is a LOT over four years plus cost of family going over for graduation. https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/students/money/internationalstudents/ugcoa/. That's easily $320,000. Your state flagship at $40K would be a far better investment.

Oh god again. Nobody here but you are talking about state flagships. One of my kids at st andrews and i have never in 3 yrs spent $72k. Stop the bs. Flights from Phily or NyC to Edi are basically the same price as flighta accross the us. Besides, tuition is $44-45k dollars. If u live on campus you can do it cor $10-11k dollars. Stop spreading misinformation. $55k to $56k for tuition and accomodations this upcoming year.

What is wrong with you? The PP’s link to St Andrews site adds up to precisely that! Who cares what you think you paid? I’m going with what St. Andrews prints as COA.

Considering im paying for one more yr there, i think i know a little more than you….

33,250 pounds for tuition. If DD was at a school hall like DRA she would pay 8,000 pounds….. do the math….. she actually shares an apt in town w 3 other girls and pays $650 a month…. So yes i know what im talking about.

My kid is at St. Andrews. We are paying more than the $71,128 listed right here for tuition and fees. Airfare is additional https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/students/money/internationalstudents/ugcoa/.

I dont believe you. Show me the numbers. The discussion here is about Tuition and Dorms. Unless your kid is studying medicine, there is no way you are paying $71k unless you are adding every little $ your kid spends on bubble gum to make this crap up.

From St. Andrews admissions page:
Undergraduate estimated cost of attendance for 2025–2026. $66,705 plus $5,623 equals $72,328

Item GBP sterling USD dollars
Tuition fees (actual tuition fees tables) £29,093 $40,730
Catered residence fees or rent, utilities, food £11,954 $16,735
Travel (based on two trips each year) £2,000 $2,800
Computer equipment, books, etc. £800 $1,200
Personal, living expenses for 38 weeks £3,800 $5,320
Totals £47,647 [b]$66,705
Important: The dollar value for every loan disbursement will be converted to sterling based on the exchange rate on the day that the funds are received by the University's bank.

Entrant students
If you are an entrant student, you are eligible to add the following charges to your cost of attendance, if you wish.

Item GBP sterling USD dollars
Visa £524 $734
Immigration healthcare surcharge
(based on four years of study) £3,492 $4,889
Totals £4,016 $5,623
Adjustments to the cost of attendance for additional needs
US Federal Law also permits the university to increase an individual cost of attendance for some additional costs, including, but not limited to:

So the $71,000 isn’t just for tuition and fees? It includes computers, general living costs, catered residence, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[b]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just average them out:

This is the avg using the same weight:

1. Oxford — avg 2.33

2. Cambridge / LSE & St Andrews — tied at avg 2.67

3. Durham — avg 4.33
4. Imperial — avg 6.00
5. Warwick — avg 8.00
6. Bath — avg 7.67
7. Loughborough — avg 10.00
8. UCL — avg 10.67
9. Lancaster — avg 11.33
10. Exeter — avg 14.00

Your averages are not correct…. This is the correct avg of all 3:

1. Oxford — 2.33
2. Cambridge / LSE / St Andrews — 2.67
3. Durham — 4.33
4. Imperial — 6.00
5. Bath — 7.67
6. Warwick — 8.00
7. Loughborough — 10.00
8. UCL — 10.67
9. Lancaster — 13.00
10. Bristol — 13.33
11. Exeter — 14.00

Outside Oxbridge which would compete with Ivies, any of these schools here would be a great option for any US student looking to save 30 to 60% vs Full pay US privates.

This is exactly what we are looking at. Kid wont be applying to Oxbridge. But will apply to 5 of the ones in this exact list. If your kid knows what he/she wants to do, the 3 yr programs in England make a lot of sense and yes, you will be saving a[b] ton of money (specially if outside of London). The Scottish unis being 4 yrs reduce the gap in price. But it still still cheaper than most top 100 private full pay.

Scottish unis also have 3 year programs for quite a few subjects

Not really, St. Andrews is $71,968 a year plus you have to add on airfare, which is a LOT over four years plus cost of family going over for graduation. https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/students/money/internationalstudents/ugcoa/. That's easily $320,000. Your state flagship at $40K would be a far better investment.

Oh god again. Nobody here but you are talking about state flagships. One of my kids at st andrews and i have never in 3 yrs spent $72k. Stop the bs. Flights from Phily or NyC to Edi are basically the same price as flighta accross the us. Besides, tuition is $44-45k dollars. If u live on campus you can do it cor $10-11k dollars. Stop spreading misinformation. $55k to $56k for tuition and accomodations this upcoming year.

What is wrong with you? The PP’s link to St Andrews site adds up to precisely that! Who cares what you think you paid? I’m going with what St. Andrews prints as COA.

Considering im paying for one more yr there, i think i know a little more than you….

33,250 pounds for tuition. If DD was at a school hall like DRA she would pay 8,000 pounds….. do the math….. she actually shares an apt in town w 3 other girls and pays $650 a month…. So yes i know what im talking about.

My kid is at St. Andrews. We are paying more than the $71,128 listed right here for tuition and fees. Airfare is additional https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/students/money/internationalstudents/ugcoa/.

I dont believe you. Show me the numbers. The discussion here is about Tuition and Dorms. Unless your kid is studying medicine, there is no way you are paying $71k unless you are adding every little $ your kid spends on bubble gum to make this crap up.

From St. Andrews admissions page:
Undergraduate estimated cost of attendance for 2025–2026. $66,705 plus $5,623 equals $72,328

Item GBP sterling USD dollars
Tuition fees (actual tuition fees tables) £29,093 $40,730
Catered residence fees or rent, utilities, food £11,954 $16,735
Travel (based on two trips each year) £2,000 $2,800
Computer equipment, books, etc. £800 $1,200
Personal, living expenses for 38 weeks £3,800 $5,320
Totals £47,647 [b]$66,705
Important: The dollar value for every loan disbursement will be converted to sterling based on the exchange rate on the day that the funds are received by the University's bank.

Entrant students
If you are an entrant student, you are eligible to add the following charges to your cost of attendance, if you wish.

Item GBP sterling USD dollars
Visa £524 $734
Immigration healthcare surcharge
(based on four years of study) £3,492 $4,889
Totals £4,016 $5,623
Adjustments to the cost of attendance for additional needs
US Federal Law also permits the university to increase an individual cost of attendance for some additional costs, including, but not limited to:

I’m not the PP. But I also have a Kid and St Andrews and we dont spend anywhere near $70k dollars. You keep coming back to their COA page. I know you probably dont know what that is, but that is posted specifically to fulfill US financial aid through FAFSA. Instead of looking at that generic page, why dont you spend a minute going through the programs and looking at the actual tuition and then going through the accommodations and looking at actual prices.

You are discounting what current parents (like me) of kids that are there now are paying for some unknown reason or just to make a point here.

My son is a going to be 4th year student. We have never spent $70k in any of those years. Not even close. And we know exactly how much he has spent and will spend in 2026-27.

The previous mom poster is correct. Tuition for most courses is 33,250 pounds. And dorms range from 8k to 10k depending on what YOU choose.

Everything else you keep adding in is irrelevant to this discussion as these are anxillary cost that any kids will have in any college anywhere in the world

[Anonymous]

The COA page posted is from the StA’s website. Transparency is key.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The COA page posted is from the StA’s website. Transparency is key.

Again, do you know what the COA is for? Go to each individual course page and they tell you what the exact Tuition is for the course. 100% transparency and not an average. Same with the Accommodations page. Stop the madness of adding every single little ridiculous item that will be incurred no matter where you are….Books, Computer, blablablabla. the focus here was on Tuition. Room and Board.

[Anonymous]

Son was accepted to Durham, Exeter and Manchester. Waiting for St Andrews.

Management/Econ with Politcs/IR on some.

We are from OK and his best US admits are NYU (no merit) and WashU (no merit). Only applied to 2 Publics UC System (awaiting) and Michigan (wait list).

He really wants to go abroad, we want him to make a decision without our interference. Pricing is not really an issue, although it is a nice plus with the English schools being only 3 years.

Any suggestions? Please dont reply with “look at your Flagship”….he didnt apply to OU, he had zero interest going to OU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Son was accepted to Durham, Exeter and Manchester. Waiting for St Andrews.

Management/Econ with Politcs/IR on some.

We are from OK and his best US admits are NYU (no merit) and WashU (no merit). Only applied to 2 Publics UC System (awaiting) and Michigan (wait list).

He really wants to go abroad, we want him to make a decision without our interference. Pricing is not really an issue, although it is a nice plus with the English schools being only 3 years.

Any suggestions? Please dont reply with “look at your Flagship”….he didnt apply to OU, he had zero interest going to OU.

Suggestions for what? Other US colleges or which of the English schools he should accept?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Son was accepted to Durham, Exeter and Manchester. Waiting for St Andrews.

Management/Econ with Politcs/IR on some.

We are from OK and his best US admits are NYU (no merit) and WashU (no merit). Only applied to 2 Publics UC System (awaiting) and Michigan (wait list).

He really wants to go abroad, we want him to make a decision without our interference. Pricing is not really an issue, although it is a nice plus with the English schools being only 3 years.

Any suggestions? Please dont reply with “look at your Flagship”….he didnt apply to OU, he had zero interest going to OU.

I would visit the UK college options, probably during Spring Break, before deciding. Exeter, Durham, StA, and Manchester have very different environments/campuses. Let DC figure out which is the best fit

Trivial example of environmental differences, StA is in a small town with a college and a golf club. Manchester is a large city.

English university undergrad degrees are 3 yrs. Scottish degrees are 4 yrs.

For those specific degrees, I would have Manchester at the bottom of the list. YMMV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Son was accepted to Durham, Exeter and Manchester. Waiting for St Andrews.

Management/Econ with Politcs/IR on some.

We are from OK and his best US admits are NYU (no merit) and WashU (no merit). Only applied to 2 Publics UC System (awaiting) and Michigan (wait list).

He really wants to go abroad, we want him to make a decision without our interference. Pricing is not really an issue, although it is a nice plus with the English schools being only 3 years.

Any suggestions? Please dont reply with “look at your Flagship”….he didnt apply to OU, he had zero interest going to OU.

I would visit the UK college options, probably during Spring Break, before deciding. Exeter, Durham, StA, and Manchester have very different environments/campuses. Let DC figure out which is the best fit

Trivial example of environmental differences, StA is in a small town with a college and a golf club. Manchester is a large city.

English university undergrad degrees are 3 yrs. Scottish degrees are 4 yrs.

For those specific degrees, I would have Manchester at the bottom of the list. YMMV.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Son was accepted to Durham, Exeter and Manchester. Waiting for St Andrews.

Management/Econ with Politcs/IR on some.

We are from OK and his best US admits are NYU (no merit) and WashU (no merit). Only applied to 2 Publics UC System (awaiting) and Michigan (wait list).

He really wants to go abroad, we want him to make a decision without our interference. Pricing is not really an issue, although it is a nice plus with the English schools being only 3 years.

Any suggestions? Please dont reply with “look at your Flagship”….he didnt apply to OU, he had zero interest going to OU.

I would visit the UK college options, probably during Spring Break, before deciding. Exeter, Durham, StA, and Manchester have very different environments/campuses. Let DC figure out which is the best fit

Trivial example of environmental differences, StA is in a small town with a college and a golf club. Manchester is a large city.

English university undergrad degrees are 3 yrs. Scottish degrees are 4 yrs.

For those specific degrees, I would have Manchester at the bottom of the list. YMMV.

I was surprised when he applied to Manchester…but he is a Man City fan….. he didnt apply to any London school. Surprised as to why StAndrews is taking this long…he sent his application in the end of December….We are planning on touring them soon. Just waiting on the St Andrews response before setting up visits. Anybody here with experience at Exeter or Durham? What about anyone here with kids who decided to go abroad despite decent acceptances to US schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Son was accepted to Durham, Exeter and Manchester. Waiting for St Andrews.

Management/Econ with Politcs/IR on some.

We are from OK and his best US admits are NYU (no merit) and WashU (no merit). Only applied to 2 Publics UC System (awaiting) and Michigan (wait list).

He really wants to go abroad, we want him to make a decision without our interference. Pricing is not really an issue, although it is a nice plus with the English schools being only 3 years.

Any suggestions? Please dont reply with “look at your Flagship”….he didnt apply to OU, he had zero interest going to OU.

I would visit the UK college options, probably during Spring Break, before deciding. Exeter, Durham, StA, and Manchester have very different environments/campuses. Let DC figure out which is the best fit

Trivial example of environmental differences, StA is in a small town with a college and a golf club. Manchester is a large city.

English university undergrad degrees are 3 yrs. Scottish degrees are 4 yrs.

For those specific degrees, I would have Manchester at the bottom of the list. YMMV.

I was surprised when he applied to Manchester…but he is a Man City fan….. he didnt apply to any London school. Surprised as to why StAndrews is taking this long…he sent his application in the end of December….We are planning on touring them soon. Just waiting on the St Andrews response before setting up visits. Anybody here with experience at Exeter or Durham? What about anyone here with kids who decided to go abroad despite decent acceptances to US schools?

My kid chose Oxford over an Ivy (not HYPMS) last year. Also accepted to St. Andrews, but in October (after submitting in Sept, if I remember). I've heard some courses are much slower than others.

Good luck!