Why is fascism more taboo than communism?

[Anonymous]

The common element in mass killings is totalitarianism. Humans throughout history have had an ugly impulse to extinguish outgroups.

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Anonymous wrote:The only reason planned economic systems with collectivism as the fundamental matrix (what simpletons refer to as “communism”) hasn’t been 100% successful is that frankly, the right people haven’t been in charge.

Collectivism is THE ideal economic model. There is nothing more egalitarian than collective ownership of the means of production and no need for private property. This isn’t subject to debate.

But the right people haven’t been in charge. That is a failing of the people, not of collectivism.

No, it's fully subject to debate and you don't know what the F you're talking about.

Central planning of economies is the death knell. Communism and collectivism have never been successful anywhere they have been tried.

Command economies can't be properly planned because there is never enough data to properly distribute goods and services efficiently. It's impossible.

That leads to shortages, resources that go unused, unintended consequences, and demand destruction at a much faster rate than any westernized economy.

BTW, we haven't had Capitalism in the U.S. for one hundred years.

There's is nothing more efficient than the hidden hand of market economics.

'The pretend to pay us and we pretend to work." - Soviet Political Joke

I love how you tell PP that he doesn't know what the F he is talking about and then proceed to spew a bunch of utter nonsense not supported by any historical account.

I was the PP who wrote the post praising collectivism and planned economies and eliminating private property in favor of state ownership of everything, and “the only reason it hasn’t worked so far is the right people haven’t been in charge”.

I’m a troll. I was just putting the stupidest cliches I know of about communism down in one post, just to see if some idiot would agree with me - and of course someone did.

I need to dumb down my game for y’all. It’s pointless to be sarcastic when people start agreeing with you.

Well, the idiot is you.

I've lived the communist experience with a leader in charge who was, yes, a dictator but a benevolent one. Things worked for a very long time and people still look back fondly on the years that he was in charge.

You think WAY too highly of yourself, the self-proclaimed troll.

Then why did you come here? Why didn’t you opt to stay in your worker’s paradise where you can laugh and look down on us poor unfortunates who haven’t seen the benefits of a benevolent communist dictator, as you describe this person.

Why did you come here? Why do you stay? Why aren’t you going back?

There has to be some reason.

Such a typical, ignorant, American thing to say. One, no one was laughing at you. Why are you so fragile and insecure? We are discussing communism and how it might have been implemented around the world. I simply listed things that worked well for over 50 years for several million people. If you can’t learn anything from experiences of people commenting why are you here? To yell into the internet abyss?

I left because after Tito died the economy went to shit and people who tried to fill the void left by him made the country fall apart. I lived through full on war for 4 years and lost everything.

I’m sure you’ll come back with something super insightful again. 😂😂

So you steadfastly maintain the US sucks, but you came here and aren’t leaving.

That’s the takeaway.

+1

It sounds like you would be happier in Sarajevo, fortunately unlike the Soviet bloc we don’t have emigration restrictions and you are free to leave and establish workers paradise in Bosnia. See ya.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The common element in mass killings is totalitarianism. Humans throughout history have had an ugly impulse to extinguish outgroups.

See https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1298919.page for example.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me preface this by saying that I am not a supporter of either ideology and I think that the proof is in history that both are dangerous.

If you look at both fascist governments and communist governments in history, both have committed genocides. Most notably, communists perpetrated the Cambodian Genocide (7.1 million), the USSR’s various genocides (debated, but 5-10 million, potentially up to 20 million over the course of the USSR). The fascist example of Nazi Germany is the most famous (11 million). Both killed a ton of people.

Yet growing up in the 90’s and 2000’s, it was ok to wear a hammer and scythe t shirt. DC has a Marx Cafe, but can you imagine a fascist themed bar? Reddit has a r/communism community with 260k members for communism enthusiasts, yet no fascist related communities.

Clearly one is more taboo than the other.

Why?

Is one clearly more taboo? 98% of Americans would say both are not at all what we want. (are you confusing socialism with communism?)

Younger Americans are starting to embrace fascism in large numbers. Recent media reports say that younger people are leaving Trump, which is true. What those reports miss is that the young are abandoning Trump because he is too far to the left. Generations of political failures are creating something never seen before in the US, and few are noticing.

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Anonymous wrote:The common element in mass killings is totalitarianism. Humans throughout history have had an ugly impulse to extinguish outgroups.

See https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1298919.page for example.

Democrats not having sympathy for Republicans who voted away their SNAP benefits isn’t the same as genocide. Get a grip.

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Anonymous wrote:The common element in mass killings is totalitarianism. Humans throughout history have had an ugly impulse to extinguish outgroups.

See https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1298919.page for example.

Democrats not having sympathy for Republicans who voted away their SNAP benefits isn’t the same as genocide. Get a grip.

…unless you were trying to say that removing SNAP is a form of herd culling, in which case no argument here.

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Anonymous wrote:Marxism is every bit as vile, odious, and extreme as Nazism.

I have a degree in Political Science and the only time I’ve ever heard about Marxism is in POL 201 and right wing trash blogs. If ever a Boogeyman didn’t exist, it’s this one.

Can you get a refund on that degree?

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Anonymous wrote:Fascism is a total failure when it comes to killing millions of people. At best, the fascist tally is perhaps 15 million.

Compare that to socialism/communism’s total of 100 million.


Fascists are pikers when it comes to filling mass graves.

Oh please. That is so intellectually dishonest. You’re comparing 100 years of communist regimes to a dozen years of Nazi rule. Under the Nazis, 15 million were murdered (and that’s not even counting the 71 million civilian and military deaths directly caused by the Axis powers during WWII). How many more would have been killed if the Nazis had stayed in power for 100 years?

1) had the Nazis *won*, the war would’ve also ended. That’s what happens when one side WINS a war - the war stops. So it’s pretty disingenuous of you to extrapolate the continuation of deaths attributed to being lost fighting a war to go on at the same rate after the END of the war.


2) I was counting the US as a “fascist” state for the first 4 years of Trump’s first term, and the current 10 months of Trump’s second term - because people like you insist he’s a fascist so I’m humoring you. And in almost 5 years of a US fascist government, we haven’t filled even a single mass grave with the enemies of the administration.


Trump really sucks at this whole “fascism” thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me preface this by saying that I am not a supporter of either ideology and I think that the proof is in history that both are dangerous.

If you look at both fascist governments and communist governments in history, both have committed genocides. Most notably, communists perpetrated the Cambodian Genocide (7.1 million), the USSR’s various genocides (debated, but 5-10 million, potentially up to 20 million over the course of the USSR). The fascist example of Nazi Germany is the most famous (11 million). Both killed a ton of people.

Yet growing up in the 90’s and 2000’s, it was ok to wear a hammer and scythe t shirt. DC has a Marx Cafe, but can you imagine a fascist themed bar? Reddit has a r/communism community with 260k members for communism enthusiasts, yet no fascist related communities.

Clearly one is more taboo than the other.

Why?

It's notable that many communist countries were doing well economically before the US led boycotts during the Cold War against them.

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Anonymous wrote:Fascism is a total failure when it comes to killing millions of people. At best, the fascist tally is perhaps 15 million.

Compare that to socialism/communism’s total of 100 million.


Fascists are pikers when it comes to filling mass graves.

Oh please. That is so intellectually dishonest. You’re comparing 100 years of communist regimes to a dozen years of Nazi rule. Under the Nazis, 15 million were murdered (and that’s not even counting the 71 million civilian and military deaths directly caused by the Axis powers during WWII). How many more would have been killed if the Nazis had stayed in power for 100 years?

1) had the Nazis *won*, the war would’ve also ended. That’s what happens when one side WINS a war - the war stops. So it’s pretty disingenuous of you to extrapolate the continuation of deaths attributed to being lost fighting a war to go on at the same rate after the END of the war.


2) I was counting the US as a “fascist” state for the first 4 years of Trump’s first term, and the current 10 months of Trump’s second term - because people like you insist he’s a fascist so I’m humoring you. And in almost 5 years of a US fascist government, we haven’t filled even a single mass grave with the enemies of the administration.


Trump really sucks at this whole “fascism” thing.

Did you forget the "tomorrow the world" part? Hitler's goal was not just to establish his Aryan paradise, but to capture resources from the rest of the world and exterminate/enslave whoever was needed to accomplish that goal. Spain and Italy would have been his friends, perhaps, and Arab countries and Japan, and they would have divvied up the entirety.

Fascism is certainly not just about mass graves. And it requires ostensibly using the tools of law and government (but distorting their intent and choosing particular targets) to accomplish its repression. Extorting law firms and universities, threatening media via the use of regulatory agencies--while EXPLICITLY carrying out policies that oppose existing law and the constitution.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me preface this by saying that I am not a supporter of either ideology and I think that the proof is in history that both are dangerous.

If you look at both fascist governments and communist governments in history, both have committed genocides. Most notably, communists perpetrated the Cambodian Genocide (7.1 million), the USSR’s various genocides (debated, but 5-10 million, potentially up to 20 million over the course of the USSR). The fascist example of Nazi Germany is the most famous (11 million). Both killed a ton of people.

Yet growing up in the 90’s and 2000’s, it was ok to wear a hammer and scythe t shirt. DC has a Marx Cafe, but can you imagine a fascist themed bar? Reddit has a r/communism community with 260k members for communism enthusiasts, yet no fascist related communities.

Clearly one is more taboo than the other.

Why?

It's notable that many communist countries were doing well economically before the US led boycotts during the Cold War against them.

Are you insane? Serious question.

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Anonymous wrote:Ahhhhh yes.....the tired old argument that the Khemer Rouge, Mao's China, USSR, and North Korea "aren't real Communism!".

We just need a few hundred million more deaths to try out the communist experiment until we get it right.

Womp, womp.

People die everyday under capitalism. How many more millions need to die before it too is considered a failed system?

How many died of covid for profits? How many die in preventable workplace accidents for profits? How many die because they cant afford healthcare or their insurance denies them treatment? How many people starve and die on the streets of exposure because we treat housing and food as an avenue for profit rather than a human right? How many deaths of despair happen everyday due to the weight of living in a cycle of poverty required to sustain the capitalist system? Miss me with the bullpuckey.

How is housing and food a human right? Never has been and is not a god given right. Our founders only gaurnentee the right to earn these not have them provided at the expense of others.

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Anonymous wrote:Marxism is every bit as vile, odious, and extreme as Nazism.

I have a degree in Political Science and the only time I’ve ever heard about Marxism is in POL 201 and right wing trash blogs. If ever a Boogeyman didn’t exist, it’s this one.

Can you get a refund on that degree?

When you talk about Marxism in 2025, you just expose yourself as someone who reads trash “news” and foreign propaganda.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ahhhhh yes.....the tired old argument that the Khemer Rouge, Mao's China, USSR, and North Korea "aren't real Communism!".

We just need a few hundred million more deaths to try out the communist experiment until we get it right.

Womp, womp.

People die everyday under capitalism. How many more millions need to die before it too is considered a failed system?

How many died of covid for profits? How many die in preventable workplace accidents for profits? How many die because they cant afford healthcare or their insurance denies them treatment? How many people starve and die on the streets of exposure because we treat housing and food as an avenue for profit rather than a human right? How many deaths of despair happen everyday due to the weight of living in a cycle of poverty required to sustain the capitalist system? Miss me with the bullpuckey.

How is housing and food a human right? Never has been and is not a god given right. Our founders only gaurnentee the right to earn these not have them provided at the expense of others.

What is a God-given right? How is a right given by God relevant to what the founders guaranteed?

[Anonymous]

Let’s discuss all the Communists at the No Kings parade.