Michigan announces ED

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you're at a top private (like sidwell) Michigan routinely admits down to the 50%. They definitely did this year and last year.

So they have a relationship with the school they want to maintain? And doesn't Sidwell provide an elite education? Why do you keep bringing this up like it's embarrassing? Do you think "average" kids at Sidwell are not very good after all? If so, why did you pay for your kid associate with so many mediocre students?

Don't think there's any special "relationship." Big colleges just have more spaces and can be more flexible with their admits. UMich also looks for wealthy OOS students, so elite prep schools tend to send a lot of students there. A college like Michigan can admit 30 students/year from a high school because of their size, but Ivies will cap out around 5-7 at elite prep schools, because they want to spread out their admits across the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. Is Michigan eliminating EA?

If not, why would they be in any worse of a position with the high-stat kids?

I’ll use my DS as an example. He’s super high stats/rigor. His first choice is a private T10 and his second choice is Michigan. So he’s planning to ED at the private T10 and EA at Michigan (OOS).

If he gets in to the ED, he’ll pull the Michigan app. If he doesn’t, he’ll submit his other applications, and then decide among his admit in April.

How does Michigan’s decision to add ED make it more likely they’ll lose kids like my DS? He’s going to do exactly what he would have done if there was no ED, and they still have the same opportunity to accept/enroll him as they otherwise would have.

To me, this is actually an OPPORTUNITY for Michigan to snag more high status OOS kids in a more efficient way.

If Michigan were DS’s first choice, he’d be 100% thrill to apply ED - both to have the chance to lock it in by December (no no need to submit all the other applications) and more importantly because he’d want to show/prove to Michigan that they are indeed his first choice, not a back-up plan in case he doesn’t get into 5-10 other schools (which is a reasonable assumption to make given his stats.)

Mom of high stat/high rigor kid here in a neighboring state. My kid's plan was to EA to a few schools, including his first choice, Michigan. He could never ED Michigan as we need to see the final COA before committing. (The NPC, as I mentioned upthread, indicates we would probably receive a small grant to offset some of the tuition if accepted. 80k/year definitely not in our budget.) He received the email about ED today and says he will switch gears and do what your kid is doing: ED to a private that is need blind and meets 100 percent demonstrated need. Definitely not his first choice because it's a little closer to home and he'd prefer to be a few hours away.

For our family, it seems that Michigan will likely be off the table for him and that the priority will be wealthy OOS kids in ED and fewer seats left for barely-MC families like ours in EA. But I get why they'd do this. Better to lock in the high stat OOS and IS kids whose first choice is Michigan.

Also the kids who are gunning for Ivies and using Michigan as a back up likely won't ED to Michigan and then EA kids will also be competing with those kids. Thinking about the student at his school this year who swept all the top Ivies plus Stanford, was also admitted to UMich, which appeared to be their safety. This kid likely did REA to an Ivy, RD to the others, EA to Michigan.

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Anonymous wrote:Do we really believe the new ED is aimed at instate kids? My guess it's for the purpose of getting early commits from OOS kids at the high OOS tuition. I just think it's going to be a harder sell for OOS kids to commit early to a state school at such a high tuition without waiting for other offers. We shall see.

Why? People commit early to more expensive private schools all the time.

From my experience, the typical OOS UMich ED student is a rich east coast prep schooler that was out of the running for an Ivy spot. I think a lot of these families will probably jump at the UMich ED opportunity if they know their kid has no shot at an Ivy. UofChicago has carved out a niche in taking 2-4th decile rich prep school applicants in ED. I think UMich can do a similar thing by swooping up median-level prep schoolers in the ED round. These kids are rich and can don't require scholarships and they are usually incredibly well prepared for college.

Damn, the contempt of this poster is unreal.

Anyway, I am going to spend the next 4 months trying to convince dc to switch ED choice from Chicago to Michigan.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you're at a top private (like sidwell) Michigan routinely admits down to the 50%. They definitely did this year and last year.

So they have a relationship with the school they want to maintain? And doesn't Sidwell provide an elite education? Why do you keep bringing this up like it's embarrassing? Do you think "average" kids at Sidwell are not very good after all? If so, why did you pay for your kid associate with so many mediocre students?

Don't think there's any special "relationship." Big colleges just have more spaces and can be more flexible with their admits. UMich also looks for wealthy OOS students, so elite prep schools tend to send a lot of students there. A college like Michigan can admit 30 students/year from a high school because of their size, but Ivies will cap out around 5-7 at elite prep schools, because they want to spread out their admits across the country.

Sidwell was in the top 300 schools for Michigan applications, or at least it was for fall 2019 when this article was written. So a feeder of sorts.

https://www.michigandaily.com/news/academics/we-looked-301-high-schools-most-applicants-u-m-heres-what-we-found/

Though with 47 applicants, 16 admits, and 3 enrolls (for fall 2019) I'm struggling to see them dipping down to 50%, but who knows how things have changed since 2019.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you're at a top private (like sidwell) Michigan routinely admits down to the 50%. They definitely did this year and last year.

So they have a relationship with the school they want to maintain? And doesn't Sidwell provide an elite education? Why do you keep bringing this up like it's embarrassing? Do you think "average" kids at Sidwell are not very good after all? If so, why did you pay for your kid associate with so many mediocre students?

Don't think there's any special "relationship." Big colleges just have more spaces and can be more flexible with their admits. UMich also looks for wealthy OOS students, so elite prep schools tend to send a lot of students there. A college like Michigan can admit 30 students/year from a high school because of their size, but Ivies will cap out around 5-7 at elite prep schools, because they want to spread out their admits across the country.

Sidwell was in the top 300 schools for Michigan applications, or at least it was for fall 2019 when this article was written. So a feeder of sorts.

https://www.michigandaily.com/news/academics/we-looked-301-high-schools-most-applicants-u-m-heres-what-we-found/

Though with 47 applicants, 16 admits, and 3 enrolls (for fall 2019) I'm struggling to see them dipping down to 50%, but who knows how things have changed since 2019.

And this article kind of proves how much worse the yield is for OOS vs. in-state. On the extreme end, only 1/10 attended from Lawrenceville that were accepted. Now they can get accept fewer students but those will actually attend.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is this going to make ED at some Ivies, etc easier?

No, Ivy level want Ivy. No one with the chops is switching to Michigan ED.

The high stats engineering kids will be all over it. So, the smart kids. And they will choose Michigan over several Ivies.

From the cross admits at our stem public magnet and the top local private, Michigan has been picked once over Dartmouth. Princeton, harvard, penn, columbia and cornell have all been picked over michigan for engineering the past 5 cycles. Michigan is picked over VT and UVA in state almost every time, and also over Rice once. The top quarter of the magnet is almost entirely engineering bound, males and females, and many get into Mich EA every year (OOS). Like it or not it is a backup for top students. Median SAT in the stem magnet program is 1510. Skewed group but still relevant.

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I think this will benefit OOS Ross kids the most, esp those gunning for Wharton but know it’s unlikely.

I also think it will help their new coordinated dual degree with Ross and engineering, both top 5 programs,…again for those that don’t make the Penn M&T cut. I anticipate UM will start offering more dual coordinated degree programs a la Penn and take advantage of their biggest name, Ross.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this will benefit OOS Ross kids the most, esp those gunning for Wharton but know it’s unlikely.

I also think it will help their new coordinated dual degree with Ross and engineering, both top 5 programs,…again for those that don’t make the Penn M&T cut. I anticipate UM will start offering more dual coordinated degree programs a la Penn and take advantage of their biggest name, Ross.

I think there will be some other engineering cuts they don't make after MIT before getting to U Michigan.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you're at a top private (like sidwell) Michigan routinely admits down to the 50%. They definitely did this year and last year.

So they have a relationship with the school they want to maintain? And doesn't Sidwell provide an elite education? Why do you keep bringing this up like it's embarrassing? Do you think "average" kids at Sidwell are not very good after all? If so, why did you pay for your kid associate with so many mediocre students?

Don't think there's any special "relationship." Big colleges just have more spaces and can be more flexible with their admits. UMich also looks for wealthy OOS students, so elite prep schools tend to send a lot of students there. A college like Michigan can admit 30 students/year from a high school because of their size, but Ivies will cap out around 5-7 at elite prep schools, because they want to spread out their admits across the country.

Sidwell was in the top 300 schools for Michigan applications, or at least it was for fall 2019 when this article was written. So a feeder of sorts.

https://www.michigandaily.com/news/academics/we-looked-301-high-schools-most-applicants-u-m-heres-what-we-found/

Though with 47 applicants, 16 admits, and 3 enrolls (for fall 2019) I'm struggling to see them dipping down to 50%, but who knows how things have changed since 2019.

Yeah, I don’t believe that poster either. Michigan has gotten to be a pretty difficult admit even for full pay private school kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you're at a top private (like sidwell) Michigan routinely admits down to the 50%. They definitely did this year and last year.

So they have a relationship with the school they want to maintain? And doesn't Sidwell provide an elite education? Why do you keep bringing this up like it's embarrassing? Do you think "average" kids at Sidwell are not very good after all? If so, why did you pay for your kid associate with so many mediocre students?

Don't think there's any special "relationship." Big colleges just have more spaces and can be more flexible with their admits. UMich also looks for wealthy OOS students, so elite prep schools tend to send a lot of students there. A college like Michigan can admit 30 students/year from a high school because of their size, but Ivies will cap out around 5-7 at elite prep schools, because they want to spread out their admits across the country.

Sidwell was in the top 300 schools for Michigan applications, or at least it was for fall 2019 when this article was written. So a feeder of sorts.

https://www.michigandaily.com/news/academics/we-looked-301-high-schools-most-applicants-u-m-heres-what-we-found/

Though with 47 applicants, 16 admits, and 3 enrolls (for fall 2019) I'm struggling to see them dipping down to 50%, but who knows how things have changed since 2019.

Yeah, I don’t believe that poster either. Michigan has gotten to be a pretty difficult admit even for full pay private school kids.

16 students from one high school is quite a lot. Also, considering that most elite prep school kids are applying to Michigan probably for business, engineering, pre-med, or CS, these admit rates (34% in Sidwell's case) are very high.

[Anonymous]

Sara Harberson summarizes it nicely on her blog:

https://www.saraharberson.com/blog?utm_term=sara%20harberson%20blog&utm_campaign=SW+-+Branded&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=6657667648&hsa_cam=15597271379&hsa_grp=134788745961&hsa_ad=575838087502&hsa_src=g&hsa_tgt=kwd-1790023745432&hsa_kw=sara%20harberson%20blog&hsa_mt=e&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=15597271379&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqpuCttqzjgMVAUlHAR3Mrwq-EAAYASABEgLlk_D_BwE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sara Harberson summarizes it nicely on her blog:

https://www.saraharberson.com/blog?utm_term=sara%20harberson%20blog&utm_campaign=SW+-+Branded&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=6657667648&hsa_cam=15597271379&hsa_grp=134788745961&hsa_ad=575838087502&hsa_src=g&hsa_tgt=kwd-1790023745432&hsa_kw=sara%20harberson%20blog&hsa_mt=e&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=15597271379&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqpuCttqzjgMVAUlHAR3Mrwq-EAAYASABEgLlk_D_BwE

"three institutions—USC, Penn, and Michigan—compete with each other on a regular basis."

USC, yes. Penn? No.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sara Harberson summarizes it nicely on her blog:

https://www.saraharberson.com/blog?utm_term=sara%20harberson%20blog&utm_campaign=SW+-+Branded&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=6657667648&hsa_cam=15597271379&hsa_grp=134788745961&hsa_ad=575838087502&hsa_src=g&hsa_tgt=kwd-1790023745432&hsa_kw=sara%20harberson%20blog&hsa_mt=e&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=15597271379&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqpuCttqzjgMVAUlHAR3Mrwq-EAAYASABEgLlk_D_BwE

"three institutions—USC, Penn, and Michigan—compete with each other on a regular basis."

USC, yes. Penn? No.

I think she meant for their business programs. Yes Wharton is obviously number one but there are reasons one may choose USC or UM over Wharton.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you're at a top private (like sidwell) Michigan routinely admits down to the 50%. They definitely did this year and last year.

So they have a relationship with the school they want to maintain? And doesn't Sidwell provide an elite education? Why do you keep bringing this up like it's embarrassing? Do you think "average" kids at Sidwell are not very good after all? If so, why did you pay for your kid associate with so many mediocre students?

Don't think there's any special "relationship." Big colleges just have more spaces and can be more flexible with their admits. UMich also looks for wealthy OOS students, so elite prep schools tend to send a lot of students there. A college like Michigan can admit 30 students/year from a high school because of their size, but Ivies will cap out around 5-7 at elite prep schools, because they want to spread out their admits across the country.

Sidwell was in the top 300 schools for Michigan applications, or at least it was for fall 2019 when this article was written. So a feeder of sorts.

https://www.michigandaily.com/news/academics/we-looked-301-high-schools-most-applicants-u-m-heres-what-we-found/

Though with 47 applicants, 16 admits, and 3 enrolls (for fall 2019) I'm struggling to see them dipping down to 50%, but who knows how things have changed since 2019.

Yeah, I don’t believe that poster either. Michigan has gotten to be a pretty difficult admit even for full pay private school kids.

16 students from one high school is quite a lot. Also, considering that most elite prep school kids are applying to Michigan probably for business, engineering, pre-med, or CS, these admit rates (34% in Sidwell's case) are very high.

Data is pre- covid, admit rate likely half that now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sara Harberson summarizes it nicely on her blog:

https://www.saraharberson.com/blog?utm_term=sara%20harberson%20blog&utm_campaign=SW+-+Branded&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=6657667648&hsa_cam=15597271379&hsa_grp=134788745961&hsa_ad=575838087502&hsa_src=g&hsa_tgt=kwd-1790023745432&hsa_kw=sara%20harberson%20blog&hsa_mt=e&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=15597271379&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqpuCttqzjgMVAUlHAR3Mrwq-EAAYASABEgLlk_D_BwE

"three institutions—USC, Penn, and Michigan—compete with each other on a regular basis."

USC, yes. Penn? No.

I think she meant for their business programs. Yes Wharton is obviously number one but there are reasons one may choose USC or UM over Wharton.

Wharton and Ross are not peers, just like Wharton and Stern are not peers. You can say Ross and Stern sometimes compete with each other.

Her sentence was wrong on so many levels.