Managers sre avoiding hiring recent college grads

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

Now take a step back and consider that the ones who didn't go to college are even worse off, because they lacked the focus and will to even do enough to be able to get into college in the first place.

Stop attacking college, that's not where the problem lies.

Absolutely attack colleges and the ridiculous govt student loans that perpetuate 5-10% per annum rise in college “costs” and the rise in keeping crappy Tier 3&4 colleges even in operation.

Such a racket.

But finally being right sized now. With no large trade school systems in place.

I agree. Colleges have become Visa mills. By H-1B's and for H-1B's. There is a saying "Dressing up pigeons to be peacocks", eg making foreigners look substantially more talented than they are. That is exactly what most of the colleges specialize in, creating pseudo skills so they can justify calling us unskilled. Even though we have the same degrees they do. The quality of the education has declined greatly, or at least the Universities do a poor job of transferring the skills to Americans.

Let me reiterate we have the same degrees from the same Universities they do, but all we get from managers is a whine about how unskilled we are. Oh, but he needs a Visa, must be super talent. All the professors know they are doing it. Why? Because they are H-1bs. Academia can hire as many h-1b's as they want to. Oh, a super smart PhD 35K per year. I'm so glad we cut funding for that.

Go start your own HIB visa thread.

You are responding to how propped up tuition, room and board increases currently are due to unabated student loans, Federal stafford and Pell student loans for Americans. You said nothing about it. Start your own thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Hard to manage" = we set boundaries and don't let managers or work encroach on our personal lives.

I get 60 minutes for lunch. I'm not pausing my lunch to do one quick thing for you. I will do one quick thing for you in 37 minutes when my lunch hour ends.

If you want me to log on for 1 hour each day during my PTO to triage my emails, then I will require that 1 hour of PTO back into my bank of hours, otherwise, I will check all emails when I'm back from time off.

My work day begins at 8 am and ends at 5 pm. Yes, I will always decline any meeting invite sent where the meeting start time is after my ending time. There's no "just this once" on my end if there's no "just this once" on your end...meaning, I won't stay later just this once if you will never approve me coming in later just this once. "I can't allow you to start at 9 am. I'd have to allow others to set their own hours." Ok, well then, I can't allow you to have any of my time after my 5 pm quitting time.

We also don't allow you to fire 2 people and dump their work on us without some kind of additional compensation.

Good luck peaking in your current position.

I work with millennials and some Gen Z and see this attitude a lot. It’s very odd to me, as I’ve operated with the idea that you do what you have to do, especially at the beginning, until you can do what you want to do.

Im not even certain that I work that much harder than any of them. Hour for hour I definitely don’t.

But I do make it a point to be visible and to make sure I can be counted on for the big stuff . Even if it means I might have to cancel the planned day off or stay later than my “hours”.

When my colleagues start complaining/comparing salaries and bonuses. I keep quiet because my “dedication” for being easy and available when the sh@t hits the fan is noticed and rewarded handsomely.

And no one complains about what time
I start my day because put effort into making sire that I’m there at the end zone, regardless of time, when a project is completed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The percentage of college graduates who use their minds as receptacles instead of instruments has plummeted precipitously.

This trend does not bode well for anyone except leaders who prefer a populace that can be counted on to swallow slogans uncritically.

That way, they won’t have to make tough calls and actually govern.

I think that phrasing means exactly the opposite of what you intended to mean.

So, how are their writing skills?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Hard to manage" = we set boundaries and don't let managers or work encroach on our personal lives.

I get 60 minutes for lunch. I'm not pausing my lunch to do one quick thing for you. I will do one quick thing for you in 37 minutes when my lunch hour ends.

If you want me to log on for 1 hour each day during my PTO to triage my emails, then I will require that 1 hour of PTO back into my bank of hours, otherwise, I will check all emails when I'm back from time off.

My work day begins at 8 am and ends at 5 pm. Yes, I will always decline any meeting invite sent where the meeting start time is after my ending time. There's no "just this once" on my end if there's no "just this once" on your end...meaning, I won't stay later just this once if you will never approve me coming in later just this once. "I can't allow you to start at 9 am. I'd have to allow others to set their own hours." Ok, well then, I can't allow you to have any of my time after my 5 pm quitting time.

We also don't allow you to fire 2 people and dump their work on us without some kind of additional compensation.

Good luck peaking in your current position.

I'm using my current position to pay for my advanced specialized degree in forensic accounting. And my current job covered my CPA exam fees and will cover the fees in any of the 5 other states where we have offices. It also covered almost all of my Masters in general accounting.

Get a job [check]
Have that job pay for your CPA exam [check]
Get a promotion [check, check, check]
Have that job cover your Masters [check; they covered 90% & I paid 10%]
Have that job cover your specialized advanced degree [in progress; again 90/10 split]

I'm doing good, thanks. Having boundaries doesn't make you a crap employee. I grew up with parents who had no boundaries at work and they hated their jobs. Have you ever dreaded taking a vacation because of the backlog of work that would accumulate while you were out? Because I hear the older generations complain about that a lot. Could never be me, though.

[Anonymous]

I worked with a visa holder person with a brand new MBA and CPA straight off the Boat.

I took him to Cafeteria first week and he was so confused. He apparently never at American food. He asks what is good. I tell him I am getting a Hamburger. He says I dont eat Pork so cant have that. He thought a Hamburger had Pork in it. Then he asked the guy at the counter what a Taco looks like. He never seen one. Finally he goes to Salad bar, we get to register and she goes you have to weight it.

He then puts bottle of coke on scale, women goes no the salad, he then puts salad on register with coke bottle on top she has to then take off.

It is not his fault. But he was telling me how brillant he is at same time.

I can only imagine him taking a client to lunch. He told me he wants to do sales and take clients out.

They are good, but like college kids employers are cut to bone and we have little time for this stuff. I am here to teach you a job not how to dress and what a hamburger is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Hard to manage" = we set boundaries and don't let managers or work encroach on our personal lives.

I get 60 minutes for lunch. I'm not pausing my lunch to do one quick thing for you. I will do one quick thing for you in 37 minutes when my lunch hour ends.

If you want me to log on for 1 hour each day during my PTO to triage my emails, then I will require that 1 hour of PTO back into my bank of hours, otherwise, I will check all emails when I'm back from time off.

My work day begins at 8 am and ends at 5 pm. Yes, I will always decline any meeting invite sent where the meeting start time is after my ending time. There's no "just this once" on my end if there's no "just this once" on your end...meaning, I won't stay later just this once if you will never approve me coming in later just this once. "I can't allow you to start at 9 am. I'd have to allow others to set their own hours." Ok, well then, I can't allow you to have any of my time after my 5 pm quitting time.

We also don't allow you to fire 2 people and dump their work on us without some kind of additional compensation.

Good luck peaking in your current position.

I work with millennials and some Gen Z and see this attitude a lot. It’s very odd to me, as I’ve operated with the idea that you do what you have to do, especially at the beginning, until you can do what you want to do.

Im not even certain that I work that much harder than any of them. Hour for hour I definitely don’t.

But I do make it a point to be visible and to make sure I can be counted on for the big stuff . Even if it means I might have to cancel the planned day off or stay later than my “hours”.

When my colleagues start complaining/comparing salaries and bonuses. I keep quiet because my “dedication” for being easy and available when the sh@t hits the fan is noticed and rewarded handsomely.

And no one complains about what time
I start my day because put effort into making sire that I’m there at the end zone, regardless of time, when a project is completed.

Except that we've found that it is no longer rewarded. Going above and beyond is typically rewarded with more requests to go above and beyond, which everyone quickly erases from memory come raise or promotion time. Sorry. I'm not staying late, coming in early, and sacrificing my time with my family just so that come review time you tell me there's no room in the budget for raises for the 3rd year in a row.

Exactly how long should I expect to give my company uncompensated and unrecognized labor before I begin to reap the benefits? I'm pushing 40, btw. Not exactly early career. These kids are acting their wage, and I think if we're being honest, these companies are reaping what they have sown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Hard to manage" = we set boundaries and don't let managers or work encroach on our personal lives.

I get 60 minutes for lunch. I'm not pausing my lunch to do one quick thing for you. I will do one quick thing for you in 37 minutes when my lunch hour ends.

If you want me to log on for 1 hour each day during my PTO to triage my emails, then I will require that 1 hour of PTO back into my bank of hours, otherwise, I will check all emails when I'm back from time off.

My work day begins at 8 am and ends at 5 pm. Yes, I will always decline any meeting invite sent where the meeting start time is after my ending time. There's no "just this once" on my end if there's no "just this once" on your end...meaning, I won't stay later just this once if you will never approve me coming in later just this once. "I can't allow you to start at 9 am. I'd have to allow others to set their own hours." Ok, well then, I can't allow you to have any of my time after my 5 pm quitting time.

We also don't allow you to fire 2 people and dump their work on us without some kind of additional compensation.

lol

are you an hourly employee? that certainly suits you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I worked with a visa holder person with a brand new MBA and CPA straight off the Boat.

I took him to Cafeteria first week and he was so confused. He apparently never at American food. He asks what is good. I tell him I am getting a Hamburger. He says I dont eat Pork so cant have that. He thought a Hamburger had Pork in it. Then he asked the guy at the counter what a Taco looks like. He never seen one. Finally he goes to Salad bar, we get to register and she goes you have to weight it.

He then puts bottle of coke on scale, women goes no the salad, he then puts salad on register with coke bottle on top she has to then take off.

It is not his fault. But he was telling me how brillant he is at same time.

I can only imagine him taking a client to lunch. He told me he wants to do sales and take clients out.

They are good, but like college kids employers are cut to bone and we have little time for this stuff. I am here to teach you a job not how to dress and what a hamburger is.

yikes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

Now take a step back and consider that the ones who didn't go to college are even worse off, because they lacked the focus and will to even do enough to be able to get into college in the first place.

Stop attacking college, that's not where the problem lies.

Absolutely attack colleges and the ridiculous govt student loans that perpetuate 5-10% per annum rise in college “costs” and the rise in keeping crappy Tier 3&4 colleges even in operation.

Such a racket.

But finally being right sized now. With no large trade school systems in place.

I agree. Colleges have become Visa mills. By H-1B's and for H-1B's. There is a saying "Dressing up pigeons to be peacocks", eg making foreigners look substantially more talented than they are. That is exactly what most of the colleges specialize in, creating pseudo skills so they can justify calling us unskilled. Even though we have the same degrees they do. The quality of the education has declined greatly, or at least the Universities do a poor job of transferring the skills to Americans.

Let me reiterate we have the same degrees from the same Universities they do, but all we get from managers is a whine about how unskilled we are. Oh, but he needs a Visa, must be super talent. All the professors know they are doing it. Why? Because they are H-1bs. Academia can hire as many h-1b's as they want to. Oh, a super smart PhD 35K per year. I'm so glad we cut funding for that.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Because they have cheated their way alllllll throughout school since probably kindergarten now.

They google everything and cite garbage sources. They have no idea how to lookup any quality info from an actual database. They use AI to write all of their papers and edit for grammar for reasons they don't understand. They plug their math problems into anh myriad of websites now that solve the problems and show all of the solutions.

They brainless slabs of meat these days. Their attention spans are shot due to being raised entirely by Instagram shorts and TikTok since birth. They cannot read an entire book because it takes too long for them. They can't sit, listen, and follow complex instructions because it requires too much mental effort on their part since they are addicted to instant gratification. They have no ability to communicate effectively in person. And no, they are NOT good with tech, at all. They've been raised entirely on Apps and have no functional clue why things work, nor can figure out how to fix something when it is broken after doing some troubleshooting that requires thinking outside of the box.

We are seeing the consequences of raising generations on unlimited Internet, AI, social media, and digital crutches for everything. Basically, it's made them all stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

It a very bad economy thanks to Trump. Companies are canceling internships for this summer, new IPOs are non existent, construction starts are close to zero, etc.

+1 it’s very rough out there for 2025 grads. Since, the felon botched Covid, he’s screwed these college seniors twice.

+2 The fact that this thread is in the politics forum and not the jobs forum or the college forum should give you a hint. Employers aren’t hiring as long as Trump is creating economic chaos worldwide. Why would you invest or hire if the rules of the game aren’t clear and subject to ever changing whims of the Trump admin.

No.

It’s more of a Dept of Education, USA public schools and USA college issue.

They all keep graduating people with no developed or relevant skills. And they aren’t bolstering ability level either.

Screens screens screens, krappy curriculum, misguided side-missions, grade inflation, and lack of self discipline.

That’s USA education in a nutshell. Definitely a political issue if the lazy parents and voters wake the F up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because they have cheated their way alllllll throughout school since probably kindergarten now.

They google everything and cite garbage sources. They have no idea how to lookup any quality info from an actual database. They use AI to write all of their papers and edit for grammar for reasons they don't understand. They plug their math problems into anh myriad of websites now that solve the problems and show all of the solutions.

They brainless slabs of meat these days. Their attention spans are shot due to being raised entirely by Instagram shorts and TikTok since birth. They cannot read an entire book because it takes too long for them. They can't sit, listen, and follow complex instructions because it requires too much mental effort on their part since they are addicted to instant gratification. They have no ability to communicate effectively in person. And no, they are NOT good with tech, at all. They've been raised entirely on Apps and have no functional clue why things work, nor can figure out how to fix something when it is broken after doing some troubleshooting that requires thinking outside of the box.

We are seeing the consequences of raising generations on unlimited Internet, AI, social media, and digital crutches for everything. Basically, it's made them all stupid.

+1000000

We actively screen out these types.
We have case study interviews, demand writing samples written at the office, and may start administering math tests.

We’re also a British HQ company so have always done those personality tests on a computer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

Now take a step back and consider that the ones who didn't go to college are even worse off, because they lacked the focus and will to even do enough to be able to get into college in the first place.

Stop attacking college, that's not where the problem lies.

Absolutely attack colleges and the ridiculous govt student loans that perpetuate 5-10% per annum rise in college “costs” and the rise in keeping crappy Tier 3&4 colleges even in operation.

Such a racket.

But finally being right sized now. With no large trade school systems in place.

I agree. Colleges have become Visa mills. By H-1B's and for H-1B's. There is a saying "Dressing up pigeons to be peacocks", eg making foreigners look substantially more talented than they are. That is exactly what most of the colleges specialize in, creating pseudo skills so they can justify calling us unskilled. Even though we have the same degrees they do. The quality of the education has declined greatly, or at least the Universities do a poor job of transferring the skills to Americans.

Let me reiterate we have the same degrees from the same Universities they do, but all we get from managers is a whine about how unskilled we are. Oh, but he needs a Visa, must be super talent. All the professors know they are doing it. Why? Because they are H-1bs. Academia can hire as many h-1b's as they want to. Oh, a super smart PhD 35K per year. I'm so glad we cut funding for that.

Go start your own HIB visa thread.

You are responding to how propped up tuition, room and board increases currently are due to unabated student loans, Federal stafford and Pell student loans for Americans. You said nothing about it. Start your own thread.

DP and I happen to agree with the poster you're responding to. I'm the poster who said above that my kid was already doing multivariate calculus in high school. FAANGs and tech companies are passing over qualified American kids to hire Indian and Chinese tech workers. EEOC knows this to be true and has issued warnings to industry. https://www.business-standard.com/finance/personal-finance/h-1b-visa-conundrum-no-anti-american-bias-migrant-preference-warns-us-125030400371_1.html If that rains on your parade of "college degrees suck" and "American kids can't do math" too frickin bad, because if you're going to try and deny the REALITY that my kid faced in his job hunt, I'm not having it. Canned narrative vs experienced reality is a loser.

This thread was about managers not wanting to hire grads, but you're the one trying to change it to loans and cost increases, which is a totally separate issue from the practices of hiring managers.

[Anonymous]

Bet you were forced to hire this person by some Scumbag MBA in corporate

Everyone acts like they need a purple squirrel and yet companies are not willing to Train our own kids

What happened ??

In the 80’s and 90’s I hired smart kids from
State schools and/ associate degrees and trained them to be testers or programmers (Java and cobol and perl ) but now no one does that

Just look at the contempt in this thead. Our kids are the same as we were.

But the contempt is new , were does that come from ??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

Now take a step back and consider that the ones who didn't go to college are even worse off, because they lacked the focus and will to even do enough to be able to get into college in the first place.

Stop attacking college, that's not where the problem lies.

Absolutely attack colleges and the ridiculous govt student loans that perpetuate 5-10% per annum rise in college “costs” and the rise in keeping crappy Tier 3&4 colleges even in operation.

Such a racket.

But finally being right sized now. With no large trade school systems in place.

I agree. Colleges have become Visa mills. By H-1B's and for H-1B's. There is a saying "Dressing up pigeons to be peacocks", eg making foreigners look substantially more talented than they are. That is exactly what most of the colleges specialize in, creating pseudo skills so they can justify calling us unskilled. Even though we have the same degrees they do. The quality of the education has declined greatly, or at least the Universities do a poor job of transferring the skills to Americans.

Let me reiterate we have the same degrees from the same Universities they do, but all we get from managers is a whine about how unskilled we are. Oh, but he needs a Visa, must be super talent. All the professors know they are doing it. Why? Because they are H-1bs. Academia can hire as many h-1b's as they want to. Oh, a super smart PhD 35K per year. I'm so glad we cut funding for that.

I don’t know what you’re babbling about, but I do know that Trump and Musk both hire people with H1bs and support the program. So you may not get to see its elimination any time soon.

It's sad what you say is true, but they're still the better option. Biden gave them precisely everything they wanted and tried to give them more. So, yeah keep saying that. The comparison is false and you know it.