Managers sre avoiding hiring recent college grads

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

It a very bad economy thanks to Trump. Companies are canceling internships for this summer, new IPOs are non existent, construction starts are close to zero, etc.

Actually it’s more like the federal government is no longer subsidizing frills it can’t pay for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Hard to manage" = we set boundaries and don't let managers or work encroach on our personal lives.

I get 60 minutes for lunch. I'm not pausing my lunch to do one quick thing for you. I will do one quick thing for you in 37 minutes when my lunch hour ends.

If you want me to log on for 1 hour each day during my PTO to triage my emails, then I will require that 1 hour of PTO back into my bank of hours, otherwise, I will check all emails when I'm back from time off.

My work day begins at 8 am and ends at 5 pm. Yes, I will always decline any meeting invite sent where the meeting start time is after my ending time. There's no "just this once" on my end if there's no "just this once" on your end...meaning, I won't stay later just this once if you will never approve me coming in later just this once. "I can't allow you to start at 9 am. I'd have to allow others to set their own hours." Ok, well then, I can't allow you to have any of my time after my 5 pm quitting time.

We also don't allow you to fire 2 people and dump their work on us without some kind of additional compensation.

lol

are you an hourly employee? that certainly suits you.

No, see my previous reply above and I'll copy below:

I'm using my current position to pay for my advanced specialized degree in forensic accounting. And my current job covered my CPA exam fees and will cover the fees in any of the 5 other states where we have offices. It also covered almost all of my Masters in general accounting.

Get a job [check]
Have that job pay for your CPA exam [check]
Get a promotion [check, check, check]
Have that job cover your Masters [check; they covered 90% & I paid 10%]
Have that job cover your specialized advanced degree [in progress; again 90/10 split]

I'm doing good, thanks. Having boundaries doesn't make you a crap employee. I grew up with parents who had no boundaries at work and they hated their jobs. Have you ever dreaded taking a vacation because of the backlog of work that would accumulate while you were out? Because I hear the older generations complain about that a lot. Could never be me, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Hard to manage" = we set boundaries and don't let managers or work encroach on our personal lives.

I get 60 minutes for lunch. I'm not pausing my lunch to do one quick thing for you. I will do one quick thing for you in 37 minutes when my lunch hour ends.

If you want me to log on for 1 hour each day during my PTO to triage my emails, then I will require that 1 hour of PTO back into my bank of hours, otherwise, I will check all emails when I'm back from time off.

My work day begins at 8 am and ends at 5 pm. Yes, I will always decline any meeting invite sent where the meeting start time is after my ending time. There's no "just this once" on my end if there's no "just this once" on your end...meaning, I won't stay later just this once if you will never approve me coming in later just this once. "I can't allow you to start at 9 am. I'd have to allow others to set their own hours." Ok, well then, I can't allow you to have any of my time after my 5 pm quitting time.

We also don't allow you to fire 2 people and dump their work on us without some kind of additional compensation.

I am 50 years old and have had several managers in my life. They all allowed me to come in an hour late or leave an hour early every now and then without taking PTO, for whatever reason…car trouble, kids, appointments, etc. They might not have been inclined to do so if I had been a total stickler about meetings that don’t end at 5:00. The point is, you should be building working relationships, trust, and dependability in your workplace. Sounds like you have no interest in this. You seem very transactional. I am glad that Gen Z wants to set boundaries, but you might want to consider being flexible every now and then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

It a very bad economy thanks to Trump. Companies are canceling internships for this summer, new IPOs are non existent, construction starts are close to zero, etc.

Actually it’s more like the federal government is no longer subsidizing frills it can’t pay for.

Except we're seeing that DOGE is finding out there weren't that many government frills in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Hard to manage" = we set boundaries and don't let managers or work encroach on our personal lives.

I get 60 minutes for lunch. I'm not pausing my lunch to do one quick thing for you. I will do one quick thing for you in 37 minutes when my lunch hour ends.

If you want me to log on for 1 hour each day during my PTO to triage my emails, then I will require that 1 hour of PTO back into my bank of hours, otherwise, I will check all emails when I'm back from time off.

My work day begins at 8 am and ends at 5 pm. Yes, I will always decline any meeting invite sent where the meeting start time is after my ending time. There's no "just this once" on my end if there's no "just this once" on your end...meaning, I won't stay later just this once if you will never approve me coming in later just this once. "I can't allow you to start at 9 am. I'd have to allow others to set their own hours." Ok, well then, I can't allow you to have any of my time after my 5 pm quitting time.

We also don't allow you to fire 2 people and dump their work on us without some kind of additional compensation.

I am 50 years old and have had several managers in my life. They all allowed me to come in an hour late or leave an hour early every now and then without taking PTO, for whatever reason…car trouble, kids, appointments, etc. They might not have been inclined to do so if I had been a total stickler about meetings that don’t end at 5:00. The point is, you should be building working relationships, trust, and dependability in your workplace. Sounds like you have no interest in this. You seem very transactional. I am glad that Gen Z wants to set boundaries, but you might want to consider being flexible every now and then.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I worked with a visa holder person with a brand new MBA and CPA straight off the Boat.

I took him to Cafeteria first week and he was so confused. He apparently never at American food. He asks what is good. I tell him I am getting a Hamburger. He says I dont eat Pork so cant have that. He thought a Hamburger had Pork in it. Then he asked the guy at the counter what a Taco looks like. He never seen one. Finally he goes to Salad bar, we get to register and she goes you have to weight it.

He then puts bottle of coke on scale, women goes no the salad, he then puts salad on register with coke bottle on top she has to then take off.

It is not his fault. But he was telling me how brillant he is at same time.

I can only imagine him taking a client to lunch. He told me he wants to do sales and take clients out.

They are good, but like college kids employers are cut to bone and we have little time for this stuff. I am here to teach you a job not how to dress and what a hamburger is.

I swear... no lie.

Six months ago, I'm at the gym and after swimming, I'm sitting in the hot tub for a few. This kid comes in, I'm guessing 15 or 16, and asks me if he can turn off the jets. I said sure.

So he walks over to the knob on the wall and keeps turning it clockwise, even though it's at 12 o'clock and won't go any further. He can't figure it out. After minute, he comes back and says he can't turn it off. I said counterclockwise. He went back and did that. I could tell he was elated he mastered that.

Quite normal in every other respect with watching videos on his phone and such, but good grief. It was a moment of fear for me.

I understand street smarts vs. book smarts, but we're getting in dangerous territory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is this in the political forum?

Because it is Trump and the Republicans fault.

Grads with terrible habits and work ethics are in some way a function of a political candidate? Only if that candidate is their parent.

People with dozens of years of work experience all looking for a job at the same time as recent grads?

Yes, that is Trump's fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Hard to manage" = we set boundaries and don't let managers or work encroach on our personal lives.

I get 60 minutes for lunch. I'm not pausing my lunch to do one quick thing for you. I will do one quick thing for you in 37 minutes when my lunch hour ends.

If you want me to log on for 1 hour each day during my PTO to triage my emails, then I will require that 1 hour of PTO back into my bank of hours, otherwise, I will check all emails when I'm back from time off.

My work day begins at 8 am and ends at 5 pm. Yes, I will always decline any meeting invite sent where the meeting start time is after my ending time. There's no "just this once" on my end if there's no "just this once" on your end...meaning, I won't stay later just this once if you will never approve me coming in later just this once. "I can't allow you to start at 9 am. I'd have to allow others to set their own hours." Ok, well then, I can't allow you to have any of my time after my 5 pm quitting time.

We also don't allow you to fire 2 people and dump their work on us without some kind of additional compensation.

Good luck peaking in your current position.

I work with millennials and some Gen Z and see this attitude a lot. It’s very odd to me, as I’ve operated with the idea that you do what you have to do, especially at the beginning, until you can do what you want to do.

Im not even certain that I work that much harder than any of them. Hour for hour I definitely don’t.

But I do make it a point to be visible and to make sure I can be counted on for the big stuff . Even if it means I might have to cancel the planned day off or stay later than my “hours”.

When my colleagues start complaining/comparing salaries and bonuses. I keep quiet because my “dedication” for being easy and available when the sh@t hits the fan is noticed and rewarded handsomely.

And no one complains about what time
I start my day because put effort into making sire that I’m there at the end zone, regardless of time, when a project is completed.

Except that we've found that it is no longer rewarded. Going above and beyond is typically rewarded with more requests to go above and beyond, which everyone quickly erases from memory come raise or promotion time. Sorry. I'm not staying late, coming in early, and sacrificing my time with my family just so that come review time you tell me there's no room in the budget for raises for the 3rd year in a row.

Exactly how long should I expect to give my company uncompensated and unrecognized labor before I begin to reap the benefits? I'm pushing 40, btw. Not exactly early career. These kids are acting their wage, and I think if we're being honest, these companies are reaping what they have sown.

IMO staying late was overrated anyway. I know that there are companies' and people that value this. But IMO it's way more impressive to deliver on time and under budget consistently day in day out. Yes, I finish by 3:00pm when the deadline is 5:00pm and go home early or just put in some easy hours near the end in case a teammate needs help. I find ways to take work off my bosses' plate, so he doesn't have to stay late. Just to reiterate more often than not a person that is staying late, just isn't getting it done. I think is where people get confused. Staying late is like not getting your schoolwork done so now it's homework, while all the other kids are out watching the football game on Friday night.

[Anonymous]

It's well document that companies now see workers more and more as interchangeable and replaceable. No loyalty from the company, expect no loyalty or dedication from your workforce. Only people willing to put up with the crap are foreigners for that half generation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Hard to manage" = we set boundaries and don't let managers or work encroach on our personal lives.

I get 60 minutes for lunch. I'm not pausing my lunch to do one quick thing for you. I will do one quick thing for you in 37 minutes when my lunch hour ends.

If you want me to log on for 1 hour each day during my PTO to triage my emails, then I will require that 1 hour of PTO back into my bank of hours, otherwise, I will check all emails when I'm back from time off.

My work day begins at 8 am and ends at 5 pm. Yes, I will always decline any meeting invite sent where the meeting start time is after my ending time. There's no "just this once" on my end if there's no "just this once" on your end...meaning, I won't stay later just this once if you will never approve me coming in later just this once. "I can't allow you to start at 9 am. I'd have to allow others to set their own hours." Ok, well then, I can't allow you to have any of my time after my 5 pm quitting time.

We also don't allow you to fire 2 people and dump their work on us without some kind of additional compensation.

lol

are you an hourly employee? that certainly suits you.

No, see my previous reply above and I'll copy below:

I'm using my current position to pay for my advanced specialized degree in forensic accounting. And my current job covered my CPA exam fees and will cover the fees in any of the 5 other states where we have offices. It also covered almost all of my Masters in general accounting.

Get a job [check]
Have that job pay for your CPA exam [check]
Get a promotion [check, check, check]
Have that job cover your Masters [check; they covered 90% & I paid 10%]
Have that job cover your specialized advanced degree [in progress; again 90/10 split]

I'm doing good, thanks. Having boundaries doesn't make you a crap employee. I grew up with parents who had no boundaries at work and they hated their jobs. Have you ever dreaded taking a vacation because of the backlog of work that would accumulate while you were out? Because I hear the older generations complain about that a lot. Could never be me, though.

The thing is though, plenty of people like you are refusing working DURING the work day saying they are “too busy” when they are not. And that is what is getting them fired. They are also taking flexibility they have not earned. It’s all a give and take. If you want to stay home to meet the plumber one day, and not take PTO, you need to be willing to give extra sometimes. That’s just the way it goes if you ever want a job with higher pay and responsibility. Some people want more than a middle class life.

[Anonymous]

Parent of 2025 and 2023 college grads. Both were employed upon graduation from internships they did the prior summer. Thing is I'm pretty sure both worked, and worked hard, to prove themselves as capable, responsible employees during their internships. So much so that both employers asked them to work PT remote their senior years. They also majored (and did well) in technical areas so have skills employers wanted.

PS -they had zero help from anyone (school, parents or contacts) finding these internships. What they did have is tenacity and resilience to keep looking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Parent of 2025 and 2023 college grads. Both were employed upon graduation from internships they did the prior summer. Thing is I'm pretty sure both worked, and worked hard, to prove themselves as capable, responsible employees during their internships. So much so that both employers asked them to work PT remote their senior years. They also majored (and did well) in technical areas so have skills employers wanted.

PS -they had zero help from anyone (school, parents or contacts) finding these internships. What they did have is tenacity and resilience to keep looking.

All the internships have or are in the process of being cancelled this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Hard to manage" = we set boundaries and don't let managers or work encroach on our personal lives.

I get 60 minutes for lunch. I'm not pausing my lunch to do one quick thing for you. I will do one quick thing for you in 37 minutes when my lunch hour ends.

If you want me to log on for 1 hour each day during my PTO to triage my emails, then I will require that 1 hour of PTO back into my bank of hours, otherwise, I will check all emails when I'm back from time off.

My work day begins at 8 am and ends at 5 pm. Yes, I will always decline any meeting invite sent where the meeting start time is after my ending time. There's no "just this once" on my end if there's no "just this once" on your end...meaning, I won't stay later just this once if you will never approve me coming in later just this once. "I can't allow you to start at 9 am. I'd have to allow others to set their own hours." Ok, well then, I can't allow you to have any of my time after my 5 pm quitting time.

We also don't allow you to fire 2 people and dump their work on us without some kind of additional compensation.

I am 50 years old and have had several managers in my life. They all allowed me to come in an hour late or leave an hour early every now and then without taking PTO, for whatever reason…car trouble, kids, appointments, etc. They might not have been inclined to do so if I had been a total stickler about meetings that don’t end at 5:00. The point is, you should be building working relationships, trust, and dependability in your workplace. Sounds like you have no interest in this. You seem very transactional. I am glad that Gen Z wants to set boundaries, but you might want to consider being flexible every now and then.

They’re an accountant. Not exactly renowned for people skills.

Also apparently blissfully unaware of the massive downsizing coming to their industry due to the unholy trinity of PE, offshoring, and AI.

He’ll, public accounting firms won’t even let them ID themselves as CPA’s anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Hard to manage" = we set boundaries and don't let managers or work encroach on our personal lives.

I get 60 minutes for lunch. I'm not pausing my lunch to do one quick thing for you. I will do one quick thing for you in 37 minutes when my lunch hour ends.

If you want me to log on for 1 hour each day during my PTO to triage my emails, then I will require that 1 hour of PTO back into my bank of hours, otherwise, I will check all emails when I'm back from time off.

My work day begins at 8 am and ends at 5 pm. Yes, I will always decline any meeting invite sent where the meeting start time is after my ending time. There's no "just this once" on my end if there's no "just this once" on your end...meaning, I won't stay later just this once if you will never approve me coming in later just this once. "I can't allow you to start at 9 am. I'd have to allow others to set their own hours." Ok, well then, I can't allow you to have any of my time after my 5 pm quitting time.

We also don't allow you to fire 2 people and dump their work on us without some kind of additional compensation.

lol

are you an hourly employee? that certainly suits you.

No, see my previous reply above and I'll copy below:

I'm using my current position to pay for my advanced specialized degree in forensic accounting. And my current job covered my CPA exam fees and will cover the fees in any of the 5 other states where we have offices. It also covered almost all of my Masters in general accounting.

Get a job [check]
Have that job pay for your CPA exam [check]
Get a promotion [check, check, check]
Have that job cover your Masters [check; they covered 90% & I paid 10%]
Have that job cover your specialized advanced degree [in progress; again 90/10 split]

I'm doing good, thanks. Having boundaries doesn't make you a crap employee. I grew up with parents who had no boundaries at work and they hated their jobs. Have you ever dreaded taking a vacation because of the backlog of work that would accumulate while you were out? Because I hear the older generations complain about that a lot. Could never be me, though.

Can you type this one more time bean counter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

It a very bad economy thanks to Trump. Companies are canceling internships for this summer, new IPOs are non existent, construction starts are close to zero, etc.

Actually it’s more like the federal government is no longer subsidizing frills it can’t pay for.

That’s funny because Elon getting a lot of frills.