Managers sre avoiding hiring recent college grads

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Parent of 2025 and 2023 college grads. Both were employed upon graduation from internships they did the prior summer. Thing is I'm pretty sure both worked, and worked hard, to prove themselves as capable, responsible employees during their internships. So much so that both employers asked them to work PT remote their senior years. They also majored (and did well) in technical areas so have skills employers wanted.

PS -they had zero help from anyone (school, parents or contacts) finding these internships. What they did have is tenacity and resilience to keep looking.

Wow, are you tired from patting yourself on the back? I have a new graduate who landed a good job, but PLENTY of other kids who had amazing internships, who are hardworking and intelligent are without jobs. My grad had great internships (and one had him do contract work) but they weren’t in big firm where they guarantee a job because that’s not his preference. He sent out 300 resumes.

But, I’m not that parent to say that my kid’s all that and thus, everyone else is doing it wrong. It’s rough out there. One kid did get the amazing internship like yours, and the start date was just pushed back to March.

Any parents reading pp and feeling bad, please ignore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Bet you were forced to hire this person by some Scumbag MBA in corporate

Everyone acts like they need a purple squirrel and yet companies are not willing to Train our own kids

What happened ??

In the 80’s and 90’s I hired smart kids from
State schools and/ associate degrees and trained them to be testers or programmers (Java and cobol and perl ) but now no one does that

Just look at the contempt in this thead. Our kids are the same as we were.

But the contempt is new , were does that come from ??

No they aren't.

They are screen smart phone junkies.
Their public schools were anhilated by No Child Left Behind / Common Core *new* curriculum BS and overtesting.
And their colleges lost their way and mission to educate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Hard to manage" = we set boundaries and don't let managers or work encroach on our personal lives.

I get 60 minutes for lunch. I'm not pausing my lunch to do one quick thing for you. I will do one quick thing for you in 37 minutes when my lunch hour ends.

If you want me to log on for 1 hour each day during my PTO to triage my emails, then I will require that 1 hour of PTO back into my bank of hours, otherwise, I will check all emails when I'm back from time off.

My work day begins at 8 am and ends at 5 pm. Yes, I will always decline any meeting invite sent where the meeting start time is after my ending time. There's no "just this once" on my end if there's no "just this once" on your end...meaning, I won't stay later just this once if you will never approve me coming in later just this once. "I can't allow you to start at 9 am. I'd have to allow others to set their own hours." Ok, well then, I can't allow you to have any of my time after my 5 pm quitting time.

We also don't allow you to fire 2 people and dump their work on us without some kind of additional compensation.

I am 50 years old and have had several managers in my life. They all allowed me to come in an hour late or leave an hour early every now and then without taking PTO, for whatever reason…car trouble, kids, appointments, etc. They might not have been inclined to do so if I had been a total stickler about meetings that don’t end at 5:00. The point is, you should be building working relationships, trust, and dependability in your workplace. Sounds like you have no interest in this. You seem very transactional. I am glad that Gen Z wants to set boundaries, but you might want to consider being flexible every now and then.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worked with a visa holder person with a brand new MBA and CPA straight off the Boat.

I took him to Cafeteria first week and he was so confused. He apparently never at American food. He asks what is good. I tell him I am getting a Hamburger. He says I dont eat Pork so cant have that. He thought a Hamburger had Pork in it. Then he asked the guy at the counter what a Taco looks like. He never seen one. Finally he goes to Salad bar, we get to register and she goes you have to weight it.

He then puts bottle of coke on scale, women goes no the salad, he then puts salad on register with coke bottle on top she has to then take off.

It is not his fault. But he was telling me how brillant he is at same time.

I can only imagine him taking a client to lunch. He told me he wants to do sales and take clients out.

They are good, but like college kids employers are cut to bone and we have little time for this stuff. I am here to teach you a job not how to dress and what a hamburger is.

I swear... no lie.

Six months ago, I'm at the gym and after swimming, I'm sitting in the hot tub for a few. This kid comes in, I'm guessing 15 or 16, and asks me if he can turn off the jets. I said sure.

So he walks over to the knob on the wall and keeps turning it clockwise, even though it's at 12 o'clock and won't go any further. He can't figure it out. After minute, he comes back and says he can't turn it off. I said counterclockwise. He went back and did that. I could tell he was elated he mastered that.

Quite normal in every other respect with watching videos on his phone and such, but good grief. It was a moment of fear for me.

I understand street smarts vs. book smarts, but we're getting in dangerous territory.

parental neglect. say no more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Parent of 2025 and 2023 college grads. Both were employed upon graduation from internships they did the prior summer. Thing is I'm pretty sure both worked, and worked hard, to prove themselves as capable, responsible employees during their internships. So much so that both employers asked them to work PT remote their senior years. They also majored (and did well) in technical areas so have skills employers wanted.

PS -they had zero help from anyone (school, parents or contacts) finding these internships. What they did have is tenacity and resilience to keep looking.

Excellent, good for them. I hope they continue to learn lots on the job, build their networks, make good friends, and save their money!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's well document that companies now see workers more and more as interchangeable and replaceable. No loyalty from the company, expect no loyalty or dedication from your workforce. Only people willing to put up with the crap are foreigners for that half generation.

Maybe at low and mid levels. You have to become an expert in something, so that you do something hard that other people can’t do or don’t want to. Subject matter experts are not interchangeable or a “dime a dozen.”

[Anonymous]

Forget getting younger employees to work after hours! We struggle to get them to work DURING the work day!

[Anonymous]

They all need to get drafted and go to their precious Ukraine and Gaza.

That'll fix their little red wagons

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Bet you were forced to hire this person by some Scumbag MBA in corporate

Everyone acts like they need a purple squirrel and yet companies are not willing to Train our own kids

What happened ??

In the 80’s and 90’s I hired smart kids from
State schools and/ associate degrees and trained them to be testers or programmers (Java and cobol and perl ) but now no one does that

Just look at the contempt in this thead. Our kids are the same as we were.

But the contempt is new , were does that come from ??

No they aren't.

They are screen smart phone junkies.
Their public schools were anhilated by No Child Left Behind / Common Core *new* curriculum BS and overtesting.
And their colleges lost their way and mission to educate.

You know that No Child Left Behind was a Republican initiative, right? Pushed by Bush and introduced in Congress by Boehner? And that Common Core was a state initiative, not a federal one?

But of course most Republicans likely believe it was "woke liberal garbage" like NCLB and Common Core

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Bet you were forced to hire this person by some Scumbag MBA in corporate

Everyone acts like they need a purple squirrel and yet companies are not willing to Train our own kids

What happened ??

In the 80’s and 90’s I hired smart kids from
State schools and/ associate degrees and trained them to be testers or programmers (Java and cobol and perl ) but now no one does that

Just look at the contempt in this thead. Our kids are the same as we were.

But the contempt is new , were does that come from ??

No they aren't.

They are screen smart phone junkies.
Their public schools were anhilated by No Child Left Behind / Common Core *new* curriculum BS and overtesting.
And their colleges lost their way and mission to educate.

You know that No Child Left Behind was a Republican initiative, right? Pushed by Bush and introduced in Congress by Boehner? And that Common Core was a state initiative, not a federal one?

But of course most Republicans likely believe it was "woke liberal garbage" like NCLB and Common Core

Yes I know NCLB was Bush trying to get some southern states to get some actual academic standards. Many experienced teachers retired early. Tracking was reduced, so were the arts.

Unf Obama’s Common Core standards tied federal funds to its adoptions so lazy edu budget states (most of them) loved it and some districts even paid themselves to create a common core standards based curricula for reading and writing (and failed, a la MCPS). And G&T programs were deemed racist for having too many Asians and whites.

[Anonymous]

Learn a trade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's well document that companies now see workers more and more as interchangeable and replaceable. No loyalty from the company, expect no loyalty or dedication from your workforce. Only people willing to put up with the crap are foreigners for that half generation.

Maybe at low and mid levels. You have to become an expert in something, so that you do something hard that other people can’t do or don’t want to. Subject matter experts are not interchangeable or a “dime a dozen.”

Talk to the AI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Learn a trade.

Work in the factory for $3.60 an hour. This is why Trump destroyed the economy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Hard to manage" = we set boundaries and don't let managers or work encroach on our personal lives.

I get 60 minutes for lunch. I'm not pausing my lunch to do one quick thing for you. I will do one quick thing for you in 37 minutes when my lunch hour ends.

If you want me to log on for 1 hour each day during my PTO to triage my emails, then I will require that 1 hour of PTO back into my bank of hours, otherwise, I will check all emails when I'm back from time off.

My work day begins at 8 am and ends at 5 pm. Yes, I will always decline any meeting invite sent where the meeting start time is after my ending time. There's no "just this once" on my end if there's no "just this once" on your end...meaning, I won't stay later just this once if you will never approve me coming in later just this once. "I can't allow you to start at 9 am. I'd have to allow others to set their own hours." Ok, well then, I can't allow you to have any of my time after my 5 pm quitting time.

We also don't allow you to fire 2 people and dump their work on us without some kind of additional compensation.

Good luck peaking in your current position.

I work with millennials and some Gen Z and see this attitude a lot. It’s very odd to me, as I’ve operated with the idea that you do what you have to do, especially at the beginning, until you can do what you want to do.

Im not even certain that I work that much harder than any of them. Hour for hour I definitely don’t.

But I do make it a point to be visible and to make sure I can be counted on for the big stuff . Even if it means I might have to cancel the planned day off or stay later than my “hours”.

When my colleagues start complaining/comparing salaries and bonuses. I keep quiet because my “dedication” for being easy and available when the sh@t hits the fan is noticed and rewarded handsomely.

And no one complains about what time
I start my day because put effort into making sire that I’m there at the end zone, regardless of time, when a project is completed.

Except that we've found that it is no longer rewarded. Going above and beyond is typically rewarded with more requests to go above and beyond, which everyone quickly erases from memory come raise or promotion time. Sorry. I'm not staying late, coming in early, and sacrificing my time with my family just so that come review time you tell me there's no room in the budget for raises for the 3rd year in a row.

Exactly how long should I expect to give my company uncompensated and unrecognized labor before I begin to reap the benefits? I'm pushing 40, btw. Not exactly early career. These kids are acting their wage, and I think if we're being honest, these companies are reaping what they have sown.

IMO staying late was overrated anyway. I know that there are companies' and people that value this. But IMO it's way more impressive to deliver on time and under budget consistently day in day out. Yes, I finish by 3:00pm when the deadline is 5:00pm and go home early or just put in some easy hours near the end in case a teammate needs help. I find ways to take work off my bosses' plate, so he doesn't have to stay late. Just to reiterate more often than not a person that is staying late, just isn't getting it done. I think is where people get confused. Staying late is like not getting your schoolwork done so now it's homework, while all the other kids are out watching the football game on Friday night.

What's impressive is not having to do the job over 2 or 3 times to get it right.

I've seen some businesses that have their trade down to a science. For example, installing countertops or cabinetry in homes.

Others are fly by night and every job brings unexpected results with no remedial learning to get better at it. It's not even about cutting corners. Some don't
even know what corners are. SMH

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Learn a trade.

Work in the factory for $3.60 an hour. This is why Trump destroyed the economy.

Imagine being so stupid that you equate “factory work” with a trade.

You went to an Ivy-Adjacent, didn’t you? Your post veritably reeks of Ivy-Adjacent. Oberlin or W&M or the like.