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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

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Now take a step back and consider that the ones who didn't go to college are even worse off, because they lacked the focus and will to even do enough to be able to get into college in the first place.

Stop attacking college, that's not where the problem lies.  [/quote]

Absolutely attack colleges and the ridiculous govt student loans that perpetuate 5-10% per annum rise in college “costs” and the rise in keeping crappy Tier 3&4 colleges even in operation.

Such a racket.

But finally being right sized now. With no large trade school systems in place.[/quote]

I agree.  Colleges have become Visa mills.  By H-1B's and for H-1B's.  There is a saying "Dressing up pigeons to be peacocks", eg making foreigners look substantially more talented than they are.  That is exactly what most of the colleges specialize in, creating pseudo skills so they can justify calling us unskilled.  Even though we have the same degrees they do.  The quality of the education has declined greatly, or at least the Universities do a poor job of transferring the skills to Americans.

Let me reiterate we have the same degrees from the same Universities they do, but all we get from managers is a whine about how unskilled we are.  Oh, but he needs a Visa, must be super talent.  All the professors know they are doing it.  Why? Because they are H-1bs.  Academia can hire as many h-1b's as they want to.  Oh, a super smart PhD 35K per year.  I'm so glad we cut funding for that.[/quote]

Go start your own HIB visa thread.

You are responding to how propped up tuition, room and board increases currently are due to unabated student loans, Federal stafford and Pell student loans for Americans. You said nothing about it. Start your own thread. [/quote]

DP and I happen to agree with the poster you're responding to.  I'm the poster who said above that my kid was already doing multivariate calculus in high school.  FAANGs and tech companies are passing over qualified American kids to hire Indian and Chinese tech workers.  EEOC knows this to be true and has issued warnings to industry.  https://www.business-standard.com/finance/personal-finance/h-1b-visa-conundrum-no-anti-american-bias-migrant-preference-warns-us-125030400371_1.html  If that rains on your parade of "college degrees suck" and "American kids can't do math" too frickin bad, because if you're going to try and deny the REALITY that my kid faced in his job hunt, I'm not having it.  Canned narrative vs experienced reality is a loser.

This thread was about managers not wanting to hire grads, but you're the one trying to change it to loans and cost increases, which is a totally separate issue from the practices of hiring managers.  [/quote]

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