Managers sre avoiding hiring recent college grads

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

It a very bad economy thanks to Trump. Companies are canceling internships for this summer, new IPOs are non existent, construction starts are close to zero, etc.

+1 it’s very rough out there for 2025 grads. Since, the felon botched Covid, he’s screwed these college seniors twice.

+2 The fact that this thread is in the politics forum and not the jobs forum or the college forum should give you a hint. Employers aren’t hiring as long as Trump is creating economic chaos worldwide. Why would you invest or hire if the rules of the game aren’t clear and subject to ever changing whims of the Trump admin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

Now take a step back and consider that the ones who didn't go to college are even worse off, because they lacked the focus and will to even do enough to be able to get into college in the first place.

Stop attacking college, that's not where the problem lies.

Absolutely attack colleges and the ridiculous govt student loans that perpetuate 5-10% per annum rise in college “costs” and the rise in keeping crappy Tier 3&4 colleges even in operation.

Such a racket.

But finally being right sized now. With no large trade school systems in place.

I agree. Colleges have become Visa mills. By H-1B's and for H-1B's. There is a saying "Dressing up pigeons to be peacocks", eg making foreigners look substantially more talented than they are. That is exactly what most of the colleges specialize in, creating pseudo skills so they can justify calling us unskilled. Even though we have the same degrees they do. The quality of the education has declined greatly, or at least the Universities do a poor job of transferring the skills to Americans.

Let me reiterate we have the same degrees from the same Universities they do, but all we get from managers is a whine about how unskilled we are. Oh, but he needs a Visa, must be super talent. All the professors know they are doing it. Why? Because they are H-1bs. Academia can hire as many h-1b's as they want to. Oh, a super smart PhD 35K per year. I'm so glad we cut funding for that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

Now take a step back and consider that the ones who didn't go to college are even worse off, because they lacked the focus and will to even do enough to be able to get into college in the first place.

Stop attacking college, that's not where the problem lies.

Absolutely attack colleges and the ridiculous govt student loans that perpetuate 5-10% per annum rise in college “costs” and the rise in keeping crappy Tier 3&4 colleges even in operation.

Such a racket.

But finally being right sized now. With no large trade school systems in place.

I agree. Colleges have become Visa mills. By H-1B's and for H-1B's. There is a saying "Dressing up pigeons to be peacocks", eg making foreigners look substantially more talented than they are. That is exactly what most of the colleges specialize in, creating pseudo skills so they can justify calling us unskilled. Even though we have the same degrees they do. The quality of the education has declined greatly, or at least the Universities do a poor job of transferring the skills to Americans.

Let me reiterate we have the same degrees from the same Universities they do, but all we get from managers is a whine about how unskilled we are. Oh, but he needs a Visa, must be super talent. All the professors know they are doing it. Why? Because they are H-1bs. Academia can hire as many h-1b's as they want to. Oh, a super smart PhD 35K per year. I'm so glad we cut funding for that.

I don’t know what you’re babbling about, but I do know that Trump and Musk both hire people with H1bs and support the program. So you may not get to see its elimination any time soon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work in the trades and I see this with our gen z’ers. They show up late, don’t want to work hard, spend too much time on their phones, etc., but that’s not the worst part.

The worst part is that they can’t even do simple math and reading. WHY would you work here if you can’t even do arithmetic!!?

I have family in trades and this was also an issue with Millenials (eg, math skills). They couldn’t handle fractions. Neighbor in finance complained of the same thing 20 years ago. The problem is worse now

Which is also why manufacturing will not be returning to the US. The workforce is incompetent.

This is not true. Millennials are the most educated generation in history. The idea that they lack math skills as an entire generation is laughable. American workers are perfectly capable. It is simply cheaper to hire foreigners, and they are more easily exploited.

Dude, we’re all talking about zoomers and gen z.

No. I stand by my statement that the issue has been ongoing before Gen Z. Talked to my plumber about this the other day. Millenials may have more degrees but they aren’t necessarily smarter and definitely not as adept at so-called simple jobs like the trades. Sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work in the trades and I see this with our gen z’ers. They show up late, don’t want to work hard, spend too much time on their phones, etc., but that’s not the worst part.

The worst part is that they can’t even do simple math and reading. WHY would you work here if you can’t even do arithmetic!!?

I have family in trades and this was also an issue with Millenials (eg, math skills). They couldn’t handle fractions. Neighbor in finance complained of the same thing 20 years ago. The problem is worse now

Which is also why manufacturing will not be returning to the US. The workforce is incompetent.

This is not true. Millennials are the most educated generation in history. The idea that they lack math skills as an entire generation is laughable. American workers are perfectly capable. It is simply cheaper to hire foreigners, and they are more easily exploited.

Dude, we’re all talking about zoomers and gen z.

Why do people keep doing this. READ WHAT IT WAS A RESPONSE TO BEFORE OPENING YOUR TRAP.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We didn't fail in educating them. We failed in parenting them. These are cultural issues, stemming from a lack of active parenting and discipline. There's been a large shift in caring for the emotional needs of children a la gentle parenting, which is great, BUT people seem to have forgotten their biggest responsibility as a parent is preparing their child to become a proper contributing member of society. Basic skills like how to show up to your obligations on time. How to speak like a professional. How to dress in an office. How to solve a problem without having your hand held.

Our culture is changing to place less emphasis on these things, so perhaps that's why people are forgetting to teach their kids how to properly answer a phone or that you can't wear ripped jeans to a professional office.

Well, since us GenX are sadly more Trumpian than any other generation, and we’re also GenZ parents, I’d say a lot of of us truly are fu(king up. Never thought I’d be so disappointed in my generation.

Source?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work in the trades and I see this with our gen z’ers. They show up late, don’t want to work hard, spend too much time on their phones, etc., but that’s not the worst part.

The worst part is that they can’t even do simple math and reading. WHY would you work here if you can’t even do arithmetic!!?

I have family in trades and this was also an issue with Millenials (eg, math skills). They couldn’t handle fractions. Neighbor in finance complained of the same thing 20 years ago. The problem is worse now

Which is also why manufacturing will not be returning to the US. The workforce is incompetent.

This is not true. Millennials are the most educated generation in history. The idea that they lack math skills as an entire generation is laughable. American workers are perfectly capable. It is simply cheaper to hire foreigners, and they are more easily exploited.

Dude, we’re all talking about zoomers and gen z.

Why do people keep doing this. READ WHAT IT WAS A RESPONSE TO BEFORE OPENING YOUR TRAP.

Are you getting your panties in a twist bc you claim Millennials are the “most educated?!”

Yeah, their Gender Studies and Racism studies majors don’t have much to do with their math skills or really any skills. Sorry. Try again.

That’s pretty harsh, but the math bit is true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work in the trades and I see this with our gen z’ers. They show up late, don’t want to work hard, spend too much time on their phones, etc., but that’s not the worst part.

The worst part is that they can’t even do simple math and reading. WHY would you work here if you can’t even do arithmetic!!?

I have family in trades and this was also an issue with Millenials (eg, math skills). They couldn’t handle fractions. Neighbor in finance complained of the same thing 20 years ago. The problem is worse now

Which is also why manufacturing will not be returning to the US. The workforce is incompetent.

This is not true. Millennials are the most educated generation in history. The idea that they lack math skills as an entire generation is laughable. American workers are perfectly capable. It is simply cheaper to hire foreigners, and they are more easily exploited.

Dude, we’re all talking about zoomers and gen z.

No. I stand by my statement that the issue has been ongoing before Gen Z. Talked to my plumber about this the other day. Millenials may have more degrees but they aren’t necessarily smarter and definitely not as adept at so-called simple jobs like the trades. Sorry.

Yes, I was the one who posted, and I wasn't giving millennials a pass. Absolutely there are people with math skills, but that is a small percentage of the workforce, and not the people heading for the trades or factories. The baseline math skills are at an all time low.

In apparel it's more than assembly that has been outsourced. Foreign factories handle all the nitty gritty of creating production patterns. This is not rocket science, just basic math Americans can't do anymore. Switching to a domestic factory means moving that work in-house, as well as more oversite, and lower standards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We didn't fail in educating them. We failed in parenting them. These are cultural issues, stemming from a lack of active parenting and discipline. There's been a large shift in caring for the emotional needs of children a la gentle parenting, which is great, BUT people seem to have forgotten their biggest responsibility as a parent is preparing their child to become a proper contributing member of society. Basic skills like how to show up to your obligations on time. How to speak like a professional. How to dress in an office. How to solve a problem without having your hand held.

Our culture is changing to place less emphasis on these things, so perhaps that's why people are forgetting to teach their kids how to properly answer a phone or that you can't wear ripped jeans to a professional office.

Well, since us GenX are sadly more Trumpian than any other generation, and we’re also GenZ parents, I’d say a lot of of us truly are fu(king up. Never thought I’d be so disappointed in my generation.

I think that’s true of older GenX.

People, at least men, are usually at their most conservative when they are aged 55-65. This is when their social and financial responsibilities peak and they are at the height of their power, before being humbled by the indignities of old age.

Read the voting statistics. GenX is the Trumpiest and the oldest GenX is turning 60 by the end of this year, so now how do you explain it???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We didn't fail in educating them. We failed in parenting them. These are cultural issues, stemming from a lack of active parenting and discipline. There's been a large shift in caring for the emotional needs of children a la gentle parenting, which is great, BUT people seem to have forgotten their biggest responsibility as a parent is preparing their child to become a proper contributing member of society. Basic skills like how to show up to your obligations on time. How to speak like a professional. How to dress in an office. How to solve a problem without having your hand held.

Our culture is changing to place less emphasis on these things, so perhaps that's why people are forgetting to teach their kids how to properly answer a phone or that you can't wear ripped jeans to a professional office.

Well, since us GenX are sadly more Trumpian than any other generation, and we’re also GenZ parents, I’d say a lot of of us truly are fu(king up. Never thought I’d be so disappointed in my generation.

Source?

“A generation known for being slackers turned out in big numbers to support Trump. The Associated Press reported that voters between the ages of 45-64, roughly those of us in Gen X, voted for Trump over Harris 52% to 46%, a six-point margin. That’s even wider than the three-point margin by which Trump carried his fellow boomers (51%-48%) and a one-point increase in Gen X support for Trump from 2020.”

https://www.aei.org/op-eds/trumps-dramatic-and-ironic-gains-with-gen-x/

That’s outside of GenX, but when you factor in the slightly lowered rate of Boomers, you might extrapolate. Even if you want to call them even, it’s dispiriting. GenX is sadly MAGA.

[Anonymous]

"Hard to manage" = we set boundaries and don't let managers or work encroach on our personal lives.

I get 60 minutes for lunch. I'm not pausing my lunch to do one quick thing for you. I will do one quick thing for you in 37 minutes when my lunch hour ends.

If you want me to log on for 1 hour each day during my PTO to triage my emails, then I will require that 1 hour of PTO back into my bank of hours, otherwise, I will check all emails when I'm back from time off.

My work day begins at 8 am and ends at 5 pm. Yes, I will always decline any meeting invite sent where the meeting start time is after my ending time. There's no "just this once" on my end if there's no "just this once" on your end...meaning, I won't stay later just this once if you will never approve me coming in later just this once. "I can't allow you to start at 9 am. I'd have to allow others to set their own hours." Ok, well then, I can't allow you to have any of my time after my 5 pm quitting time.

We also don't allow you to fire 2 people and dump their work on us without some kind of additional compensation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Hard to manage" = we set boundaries and don't let managers or work encroach on our personal lives.

I get 60 minutes for lunch. I'm not pausing my lunch to do one quick thing for you. I will do one quick thing for you in 37 minutes when my lunch hour ends.

If you want me to log on for 1 hour each day during my PTO to triage my emails, then I will require that 1 hour of PTO back into my bank of hours, otherwise, I will check all emails when I'm back from time off.

My work day begins at 8 am and ends at 5 pm. Yes, I will always decline any meeting invite sent where the meeting start time is after my ending time. There's no "just this once" on my end if there's no "just this once" on your end...meaning, I won't stay later just this once if you will never approve me coming in later just this once. "I can't allow you to start at 9 am. I'd have to allow others to set their own hours." Ok, well then, I can't allow you to have any of my time after my 5 pm quitting time.

We also don't allow you to fire 2 people and dump their work on us without some kind of additional compensation.

Good luck peaking in your current position.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Hard to manage" = we set boundaries and don't let managers or work encroach on our personal lives.

I get 60 minutes for lunch. I'm not pausing my lunch to do one quick thing for you. I will do one quick thing for you in 37 minutes when my lunch hour ends.

If you want me to log on for 1 hour each day during my PTO to triage my emails, then I will require that 1 hour of PTO back into my bank of hours, otherwise, I will check all emails when I'm back from time off.

My work day begins at 8 am and ends at 5 pm. Yes, I will always decline any meeting invite sent where the meeting start time is after my ending time. There's no "just this once" on my end if there's no "just this once" on your end...meaning, I won't stay later just this once if you will never approve me coming in later just this once. "I can't allow you to start at 9 am. I'd have to allow others to set their own hours." Ok, well then, I can't allow you to have any of my time after my 5 pm quitting time.

We also don't allow you to fire 2 people and dump their work on us without some kind of additional compensation.

Just heard from the Call Center

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Hard to manage" = we set boundaries and don't let managers or work encroach on our personal lives.

I get 60 minutes for lunch. I'm not pausing my lunch to do one quick thing for you. I will do one quick thing for you in 37 minutes when my lunch hour ends.

If you want me to log on for 1 hour each day during my PTO to triage my emails, then I will require that 1 hour of PTO back into my bank of hours, otherwise, I will check all emails when I'm back from time off.

My work day begins at 8 am and ends at 5 pm. Yes, I will always decline any meeting invite sent where the meeting start time is after my ending time. There's no "just this once" on my end if there's no "just this once" on your end...meaning, I won't stay later just this once if you will never approve me coming in later just this once. "I can't allow you to start at 9 am. I'd have to allow others to set their own hours." Ok, well then, I can't allow you to have any of my time after my 5 pm quitting time.

We also don't allow you to fire 2 people and dump their work on us without some kind of additional compensation.

This is fine for low to mid level. But if you actually want to have a family and provide your children a decent life with some money for college, this won’t cut it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Curious how much high school or college math a k-8 teacher school of Ed grad usually has nowadays?

Pre algebra i&Ii?
Algebra?
Calc ab?
Calc bc?
Linear equations or diffy q or multivariate?

probably just "Applied Math"

I remember zoom classrooms and even the grade 2 teacher would do math problems wrong and put up the incorrect answer. And that was a progressive DC private school!