Tufts student detained by ICE

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of students on it are US citizens. I know some of them. What are they going to do with the US citizens on the list? Arrest them? Or take their citizenship away and deport them to Panama?

Anti-semitism is a crime. Am I wrong about this?

Wow, where on earth are you from? I mean, it’s obviously not the U.S.

See, we have this ‘lil inconvenient 1st Amendment that thoroughly shits all over thought “crimes” or speech “crimes” like anti-semitism, Islamophobia, racism, etc. As it should.

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At this point ANY student here on a student visa should immediately leave the country.

There is no rule of law here for them any longer. (or for any of us). There is no due process for them and no recourse.

We cannot keep them safe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just can't imagine any poster on here getting a student visa to the UK or France (just for example) and then while there openly, loudly, and publicly complaining about their government.

My DC did while on a UK student visa.

When I was in college abroad my friends from the dorm were going to try to disrupt a fox hunt. It was a regular protest thing in the UK at the time. I didn't go for some reason but didn't hesitate thinking I would be in any more trouble than the UK kids if I did. It's inhumane and I'm an animal lover, why wouldn't I protest?

Because you are a guest of that country, and there by their grace. You are not entitled to be in their country.

Grow up

That's not how it works here

We remember
Not all of us are FOX News zombies

And not.all of.us are filled with feelings of self-importance and entitlement when we attend school or visit another country. How about being thankful for the opportunity and being focused on your studies?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At this point ANY student here on a student visa should immediately leave the country.

There is no rule of law here for them any longer. (or for any of us). There is no due process for them and no recourse.

We cannot keep them safe.

Sadly, if I was in their shoes or my child was, I would have to agree. These individuals are not even afforded an opportunity to leave voluntarily.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of students on it are US citizens. I know some of them. What are they going to do with the US citizens on the list? Arrest them? Or take their citizenship away and deport them to Panama?

Anti-semitism is a crime. Am I wrong about this?

It’s only a crime if it leads someone to break specific laws. People can express antisemitic or Nazi or racist ideas—they just can’t act on them in a way that breaks a law.

You.cannot attend a.public institution paid for by taxpayer money and spout antisemetic, Nazi, or racist ideas. You may not be.a.criminal, but you can be.expelled or punished in some way.

That means anti-Palestinian too. Israeli students take note.

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Anonymous wrote:If you havent seen the footage of how they took her its here. its giving Handmaids Tale.

CNN Surveillance Video From 3/25 posted 20hrs ago
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP82nF92S/

2m views 170k likes as of 3/28


Public Response: Crowds Chant “Stand Up, Fight Back” in MA
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP82nheDv/

Have you never seen someone taken into custody before? There isn't anything particularly unusual about this. It's not like they just rolled up, put a bag over her head, and threw her in the back of a van.

Of course I’ve witnesses (virtually) someone being taken into custody. Do I take others into custody as a profession? Do you?

They were undercover unnecessarily. They wore masks covering distinguishing features and no identifying agency wear.

Are ICE raids conducted in this type of uniform in mass deportations? Where is the vest?

And why is she being taken into custody for writing a journalistic opinion piece?

Those are the questions I ponder.

Add to those questions:

*Why did the abductors say: “We’re the police,” (heard on video). She was abducted on the street in Somerville. "Somerville Police did not participate nor interfere in the arrest, the city said." So who were these people?

*Why did ICE take her to a facility in....Louisiana?!

*Why did they do so after a federal judge said they couldn't remove her until the judge got more information?

*Her lawyer says she has not been charged with a crime. Why is she being held in custody if she was not charged with a crime?

*Why did it take her lawyer 20 hours to be allowed to have contact her?

*Why is the government refusing to answer reporters' questions about what, exactly, she is being accused of?

*Why are authorities implying she has done things there is no evidence of her doing?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry - this student visa and green card holder round up is not going to get much popular support to keep them here.

If you travel in many places of the world and actually used text messaging instead of an encrypted app and said something offensive or inappropriate on text men with guns show up and hopefully you get taken to airport.
Most likely thrown in jail.

Deporting students involved in pro-hamas demonstrations is not a problem for most Americans.

Except that they were not involved in “pro Hamas” demonstrations. Stop your lies.

Even if they were using they were sympathetic to Hamas by raising their voices in protest so what? We don’t live in Russia, you don’t put people in jail or grab them off of the street period just because you don’t like what they said. They are ignoring court orders and if they can do that for these green card holders they can do the same to you. Who is going to stop them?

Anyone at this point who thinks this is okay is a stupid fool.

[Anonymous]

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This is the reasoning that DHS gave for abducting the student:

"Rumesya Ozturk is a Turkish national and Tufts University graduate student, granted the privilege to be in this country on a visa. DHS and ICE investigations found Ozturk engaged in activities in support of Hamas, a foreign terrorist organization that relishes the killing of Americans. A visa is a privilege not a right. Glorifying and supporting terrorists who kill Americans is grounds for visa issuance to be terminated. This is commonsense security."

She co-authored an OpEd. That's it. I read it. There is nothing pro-Hamas in it. Hamas is not mentioned at all. The op-ed simply asks the university administration to uphold: "3 out of 4 resolutions [passed by the Tufts Community Union Senate] demanding that the University acknowledge the Palestinian genocide, apologize for University President Sunil Kumar’s statements, disclose its investments and divest from companies with direct or indirect ties to Israel." I myself participated in college protests in the 80s asking my university to divest from investments in South Africa, which still had apartheid. That's a crime now?

Also, what's with the reference--twice--to Hamas as "a foreign terrorist organization that relishes the killing of Americans" and "terrorists who kill Americans?" I thought that the mission of Hamas was to destroy the Jewish state (obviously reprehensible and unacceptable). Now, according to DHS, its mission is also to kill Americans?

Hamas killed 40+ Americans on 10/7.

And if this had happened on US soil you might have a point. If other countries. not run by dictators or authoritarians. grabbed US tourists or students off of the street every time the US dropped a bomb and killed somebody or some American killed a civilian abroad we wouldn’t be safe anywhere in the world.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of students on it are US citizens. I know some of them. What are they going to do with the US citizens on the list? Arrest them? Or take their citizenship away and deport them to Panama?

Anti-semitism is a crime. Am I wrong about this?

It’s only a crime if it leads someone to break specific laws. People can express antisemitic or Nazi or racist ideas—they just can’t act on them in a way that breaks a law.

You.cannot attend a.public institution paid for by taxpayer money and spout antisemetic, Nazi, or racist ideas. You may not be.a.criminal, but you can be.expelled or punished in some way.

That means anti-Palestinian too. Israeli students take note.

PP here. I agree. Was just listing what had been mentioned.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of students on it are US citizens. I know some of them. What are they going to do with the US citizens on the list? Arrest them? Or take their citizenship away and deport them to Panama?

Anti-semitism is a crime. Am I wrong about this?

It’s only a crime if it leads someone to break specific laws. People can express antisemitic or Nazi or racist ideas—they just can’t act on them in a way that breaks a law.

You.cannot attend a.public institution paid for by taxpayer money and spout antisemetic, Nazi, or racist ideas. You may not be.a.criminal, but you can be.expelled or punished in some way.

That is an issue between the student and the university, not the student and the US government. Are you daft?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of students on it are US citizens. I know some of them. What are they going to do with the US citizens on the list? Arrest them? Or take their citizenship away and deport them to Panama?

Anti-semitism is a crime. Am I wrong about this?

It’s only a crime if it leads someone to break specific laws. People can express antisemitic or Nazi or racist ideas—they just can’t act on them in a way that breaks a law.

You.cannot attend a.public institution paid for by taxpayer money and spout antisemetic, Nazi, or racist ideas. You may not be.a.criminal, but you can be.expelled or punished in some way.

That means anti-Palestinian too. Israeli students take note.

Funny, i don't remember violent and offensive Israeli student protests, where covered their faces to try to avoid being identified and chanted "From Israel to the sea, empty Gaza so we can be free", or any nonsense like that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just can't imagine any poster on here getting a student visa to the UK or France (just for example) and then while there openly, loudly, and publicly complaining about their government.

My DC did while on a UK student visa.

When I was in college abroad my friends from the dorm were going to try to disrupt a fox hunt. It was a regular protest thing in the UK at the time. I didn't go for some reason but didn't hesitate thinking I would be in any more trouble than the UK kids if I did. It's inhumane and I'm an animal lover, why wouldn't I protest?

Because you are a guest of that country, and there by their grace. You are not entitled to be in their country.

Grow up

That's not how it works here

We remember
Not all of us are FOX News zombies

And not.all of.us are filled with feelings of self-importance and entitlement when we attend school or visit another country. How about being thankful for the opportunity and being focused on your studies?

In non-autocratic regimes, this isn't a problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At this point ANY student here on a student visa should immediately leave the country.

There is no rule of law here for them any longer. (or for any of us). There is no due process for them and no recourse.

We cannot keep them safe.

Sadly, if I was in their shoes or my child was, I would have to agree. These individuals are not even afforded an opportunity to leave voluntarily.

The remaining agitators are, however, being sent a message. Conduct yourself like a guest in our country, or leave now voluntarily, or wait until you're evicted in consequence of your activity. Seems like fair warning at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point ANY student here on a student visa should immediately leave the country.

There is no rule of law here for them any longer. (or for any of us). There is no due process for them and no recourse.

We cannot keep them safe.

Sadly, if I was in their shoes or my child was, I would have to agree. These individuals are not even afforded an opportunity to leave voluntarily.

The remaining agitators are, however, being sent a message. Conduct yourself like a guest in our country, or leave now voluntarily, or wait until you're evicted in consequence of your activity. Seems like fair warning at this point.

Your attitude is frightening. What you're advocating is what exchange students to China are told to do. We are better than that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point ANY student here on a student visa should immediately leave the country.

There is no rule of law here for them any longer. (or for any of us). There is no due process for them and no recourse.

We cannot keep them safe.

Sadly, if I was in their shoes or my child was, I would have to agree. These individuals are not even afforded an opportunity to leave voluntarily.

The remaining agitators are, however, being sent a message. Conduct yourself like a guest in our country, or leave now voluntarily, or wait until you're evicted in consequence of your activity. Seems like fair warning at this point.

Your attitude is frightening. What you're advocating is what exchange students to China are told to do. We are better than that.

Nope. Most of us know how to conduct ourselves and don't have to worry. I've never disrupted campus life or classes in my life. Stay in your own country if you don't like how our universities operate.