Two dogs killed & two women injured

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Anonymous wrote:Can we discuss the pit bull eating the dead dog in the yard??? I’ve had dogs my entire life and have never known one to eat a dead animal. What the hell is that? I’ve even had retrieving bird dogs. Was this dog starved? I just can’t imagine another dog killing and eating another.

Any IDs on the breed of the leashed dog that the pit killed?

I agree that I also found this shocking - but some poster defended it by saying that the dog was probably neglected and hungry.

I've heard of, and known, hungry dogs and they have not killed and eaten another dog.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been bitten once. By a lab.

Couldn't possibly have happened! Only pit bulls bite! Are you sure it actually bit you? Maybe it was 1% pit!!!

-pitbull psychosis sufferers

it's 35% of bites are pits or rotts
75% of fatal attacks are pits or rotts

Do your own research and provide stats that show i am wrong.

"I have no stats. If you want stats, you do the work I'm unwilling to do and unpack my ignorance for me. The reward for this unpaid labor will be me continuing to blather on about my crappy take, learning nothing, because I love my ignorance and have no good sense."

Tempting, but... no.

No thanks... any research I provide you you are going to make some inane assertion that the source is false. You were provide court cases all over the US that showed pits are dangerous, they were bread to be so, owners can't undo breeding... but "you are a volunteer" so that makes you an expert.

But you've only shown you are an expert in ignorance and the inability to take part in a conversation where you hold up your end of proving your point.

Your "research" does not show this point. At all. It also lumps all the dogs that 'look pit' under the same label. And here you are, lashing out at me instead of patching the holes in your own argument, which is why I already declined.

Be ignorant, if you like. I'd prefer you were also quiet, but you're not my responsibility (praise be).

The reality is pits were breed to fight and that is still in their breeding and your liberal heart is not going to stop the fact that this breed is dangerous (as well as a few others).

I don't think we should kill them but I do think their owners should have to prove every 2 years their dog can be in an area with other dogs and not attack.

If they attack they can't have the dog.

This, but instead of being breed-specific, EVERYBODY who wants a dog of ANY kind has to prove competent handling and training. "pits" were not the only dogs bred to fight, nor are they the only dogs that bite. All dogs can be dangerous if poorly trained and/or uncontrolled.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been bitten once. By a lab.

Couldn't possibly have happened! Only pit bulls bite! Are you sure it actually bit you? Maybe it was 1% pit!!!

-pitbull psychosis sufferers

it's 35% of bites are pits or rotts
75% of fatal attacks are pits or rotts

Do your own research and provide stats that show i am wrong.

"I have no stats. If you want stats, you do the work I'm unwilling to do and unpack my ignorance for me. The reward for this unpaid labor will be me continuing to blather on about my crappy take, learning nothing, because I love my ignorance and have no good sense."

Tempting, but... no.

No thanks... any research I provide you you are going to make some inane assertion that the source is false. You were provide court cases all over the US that showed pits are dangerous, they were bread to be so, owners can't undo breeding... but "you are a volunteer" so that makes you an expert.

But you've only shown you are an expert in ignorance and the inability to take part in a conversation where you hold up your end of proving your point.

Your "research" does not show this point. At all. It also lumps all the dogs that 'look pit' under the same label. And here you are, lashing out at me instead of patching the holes in your own argument, which is why I already declined.

Be ignorant, if you like. I'd prefer you were also quiet, but you're not my responsibility (praise be).

The reality is pits were breed to fight and that is still in their breeding and your liberal heart is not going to stop the fact that this breed is dangerous (as well as a few others).

I don't think we should kill them but I do think their owners should have to prove every 2 years their dog can be in an area with other dogs and not attack.

If they attack they can't have the dog.

This, but instead of being breed-specific, EVERYBODY who wants a dog of ANY kind has to prove competent handling and training. "pits" were not the only dogs bred to fight, nor are they the only dogs that bite. All dogs can be dangerous if poorly trained and/or uncontrolled.

Tbf, one of the main reasons that labs have been the favorite breed for decades is that they are specifically bred to have soft mouths and to not bite people badly, when they do bite. So they are good beginner dogs because a family that isn't familiar with training a dog won't accidentally create a dangerous monster.

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Anonymous wrote:Moco360 reports that the attacking dog was a pit bull:
https://moco360.media/2024/12/18/pitbull-fatally-shot-wednesday-after-attacking-two-women-in-bethesda/

Was it a rescue?

I have never met anyone with a pit bull that wasn’t a rescue. I guess there are pit bull breeders out there and I guess there are some people out there who willingly get one from a breeder, but in my UMC liberal circles, all the pits are rescues. I’d be super duper surprised if there is a pit in bethesda that’s not a rescue.

Makes sense. Rescues are dangerous. Pitbulls are dangerous. It’s a terrible combination.

This isn't so. You do realize that there are Golden Retriever rescues, Border collie rescues etc and they aren't dangerous? If dogs attacked all the time this wouldn't be news.

There are 4.5 million dog bites a year

"the PITBULL was not contained and was EATING THE OTHER DOG in the yard of a residence"

Because rescues were abused and attack

Clearly you don't volunteer for a rescue. The majority of dogs come in because people are moving, or their schedules change (all the pandemic puppies when their owners went back to working in the office instead of at-home), or they've had a kid and the dog isn't a good fit...

Abused animals have a different protocol, get separated for different screening, and are usually NOT just adopted out to anyone. Those of us who volunteer our time and energy do it because we love the animals and want better for them.

Then you ignorant idiots come along and post out your backsides with this absolute nonsense, and somehow it's taken as truth.

Go volunteer at a shelter and learn something. Clear your dishonesty debts.

I’m a little confused by your post only because I know so many people with rescue dogs that say things like “he doesn’t like men—they think he was probably abused by one.” Or “he doesn’t like kids—they think he probably had bad experiences with them.” These are like your run of the mill dog adopters, not people that have any special training dealing with traumatized animals or anything. I totally agree that not all rescues are like this but in my social circle, I’d say about half of the rescues have some sort of anxiety trigger that is known to the owners.

Ah, yes, the magical thinking that untrained owners use to justify improperly training their animals. "He doesn't like men"? Well then, your job is to encounter as many men as you can and retrain your dog. "he doesn't like kids?" Teach your dog to sit quietly and down stay outside the playground at recess time (outside; do not force your poorly trained animal on anyone, especially kids) until he calms down.

Very few shelters are going to adopt a truly traumatized/abused animal to a noob. It's bad for the dog and bad for the shelter (who will likely see the dog again in short order). Some people have their "every rescue dog has baggage" mentality linked up with their victim narratives and use it to justify all their dogs' poor behavior. Responsible owners don't make excuses. They train their dogs.

I've worked with a lot of dogs who really did have "damage". They're retrainable. I've got one now who would barely leave her crate when I first fostered her, even for hot dog pieces and other high-value treats. She'd lay flat anytime we tried to leash her (ever tried to walk a cat? like that :lol About half a year later, she's can still be skittish in unfamiliar environments, but we go on mile-long walks daily, past construction sites (full of men), and can do polite meet-and-greets with other dogs and their owners, including children. Part of that is that I know what I'm doing; I've been doing this for decades now. Most of that is that I didn't make excuses for my animal, and instead provided her with the training and resources she needed to overcome her insecurities/faults.

There is definitely a pervasive "rescued dog owner" mentality and it's a huge red flag to people who know better. Again, blame the owners/excuse-makers, not the animals. The sad thing is, dog training isn't some kind of arcane lore. It's entirely possible to read a few books, take a few classes, work with someone who knows more than you do and rescue an average dog with excellent results. That so many people don't is about the low-quality of dog owners these days, not a statement about their poorly-handled pets.

If you let your aggressive, scared of kids pit bull lay down outside my kids school at recess to “train it”, I’m going to call the police on you. My elementary kid is afraid of dogs after a dog (a pit bull of course, but you won’t believe me I’m sure) ran away from his owner and attacked his sister in front of him. (She is fine now, except for scarring on her arm, thanks for asking). If you subject him to your dog sitting directly outside the fence staring at him as he tries to have recess, you are a terrible human being.

Another illiterate idiot. What I wrote was: "Teach your dog to sit quietly and down stay outside the playground at recess time (outside; do not force your poorly trained animal on anyone, especially kids) until he calms down."

What you apparently managed to interpret was: OMG!!111 PITBULLZ ARE TEH DEBIL!!!!! YOU ARE A TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING!!!

It's like y'all glitch when you see "pit bull". It would be funny if it weren't apparently contagious, and didn't result in thousands of innocent dogs getting put down because ignorant people didn't like them

Yea. “Teach your dog to sit quietly and down stay outside the playground at recess time”. And I’m saying, don’t bring your dog to the school playground at recess time to teach it to sit quietly. What if your teaching has a hiccup and the dog lunges at the playground or barks aggressively at the kids? That’s fine because it’s all part of your training regimen I guess.

You can't read. maybe you should go back to school?

A leashed dog, on the sidewalk outside the school, actively being trained by a responsible owner. That's the scenario (for the third time). And if you follow along, the point is obvious. So you keep derailing with a bunch of new nonsense nobody said in order to support your utterly meritless point.

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Anonymous wrote:We do not need to kill all pit bulls. What we need is immediate spay or neuter on all. Within 15 years this awful breed will be eliminated. And yes, we need to go south and make them fix their dogs too. These pits are shipped from the south.

The handful that cause problems don't justify "eliminating" an entire breed, and the eugenics argument is... a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we discuss the pit bull eating the dead dog in the yard??? I’ve had dogs my entire life and have never known one to eat a dead animal. What the hell is that? I’ve even had retrieving bird dogs. Was this dog starved? I just can’t imagine another dog killing and eating another.

Any IDs on the breed of the leashed dog that the pit killed?

I agree that I also found this shocking - but some poster defended it by saying that the dog was probably neglected and hungry.

I've heard of, and known, hungry dogs and they have not killed and eaten another dog.

There are example cited upthread of dogs eating their deceased human owners, so, you know, if you wanted to educate yourself, the resources have literally been provided for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we discuss the pit bull eating the dead dog in the yard??? I’ve had dogs my entire life and have never known one to eat a dead animal. What the hell is that? I’ve even had retrieving bird dogs. Was this dog starved? I just can’t imagine another dog killing and eating another.

Any IDs on the breed of the leashed dog that the pit killed?

This happened in my neighborhood, and I know the owners of the victim dog, a very sweet small/medium doodle mix that was always leashed on walks. The grapevine says the aggressor dog was a pit that apparently a neighborhood family was fostering (and doing a shockingly poor job of that, clearly).

People are out walking their dogs constantly around here, and everyone is shaken up and feeling horrible that our neighbor and her lovely dog had to endure this. We are all thinking about what we would or should have done if it happened to us. Does everyone else walk around their neighborhoods with bear or pepper spray just in case? Are those actually effective in dog attack scenarios?

Oh, goody. Gossip. That'll help.

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Anonymous wrote:We do not need to kill all pit bulls. What we need is immediate spay or neuter on all. Within 15 years this awful breed will be eliminated. And yes, we need to go south and make them fix their dogs too. These pits are shipped from the south.

In addition, we need to halt “rescues” from shipping in dogs from other states. They keep importing dogs, importing problems, and our shelters are full.

These stupid rescues are bringing them up here because the shelters in the south are kill shelters. I too would like this prevented. Can states stop dogs from being imported like this? I know the US stopped allowing rescues to bring dogs into the US for similar reasons.

What "stupid rescues"? Support your claims.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we discuss the pit bull eating the dead dog in the yard??? I’ve had dogs my entire life and have never known one to eat a dead animal. What the hell is that? I’ve even had retrieving bird dogs. Was this dog starved? I just can’t imagine another dog killing and eating another.

Any IDs on the breed of the leashed dog that the pit killed?

I agree that I also found this shocking - but some poster defended it by saying that the dog was probably neglected and hungry.

I've heard of, and known, hungry dogs and they have not killed and eaten another dog.

There are example cited upthread of dogs eating their deceased human owners, so, you know, if you wanted to educate yourself, the resources have literally been provided for you.

In general, that doesn't happen immediately. Dogs will wait by their deceased owners for a long time before they consider taking a bite (with very rare exceptions).

Continue attacking everyone who finds this behavior horrifying. You're clearly enjoying yourself, and it's good that someone is, I guess.

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Additionally, as noted in the gossip post above, the dog was a foster so not malnourished and starving.

Just deranged.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been bitten once. By a lab.

Couldn't possibly have happened! Only pit bulls bite! Are you sure it actually bit you? Maybe it was 1% pit!!!

-pitbull psychosis sufferers

it's 35% of bites are pits or rotts
75% of fatal attacks are pits or rotts

Do your own research and provide stats that show i am wrong.

"I have no stats. If you want stats, you do the work I'm unwilling to do and unpack my ignorance for me. The reward for this unpaid labor will be me continuing to blather on about my crappy take, learning nothing, because I love my ignorance and have no good sense."

Tempting, but... no.

No thanks... any research I provide you you are going to make some inane assertion that the source is false. You were provide court cases all over the US that showed pits are dangerous, they were bread to be so, owners can't undo breeding... but "you are a volunteer" so that makes you an expert.

But you've only shown you are an expert in ignorance and the inability to take part in a conversation where you hold up your end of proving your point.

Your "research" does not show this point. At all. It also lumps all the dogs that 'look pit' under the same label. And here you are, lashing out at me instead of patching the holes in your own argument, which is why I already declined.

Be ignorant, if you like. I'd prefer you were also quiet, but you're not my responsibility (praise be).

The reality is pits were breed to fight and that is still in their breeding and your liberal heart is not going to stop the fact that this breed is dangerous (as well as a few others).

I don't think we should kill them but I do think their owners should have to prove every 2 years their dog can be in an area with other dogs and not attack.

If they attack they can't have the dog.

They also have a high prey drive and are easily triggered to attack in seemingly innocuous situations.

So do greyhounds

Let me know how many news articles you can find about greyhounds killing other dogs.

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Anonymous wrote:Moco360 reports that the attacking dog was a pit bull:
https://moco360.media/2024/12/18/pitbull-fatally-shot-wednesday-after-attacking-two-women-in-bethesda/

Was it a rescue?

I have never met anyone with a pit bull that wasn’t a rescue. I guess there are pit bull breeders out there and I guess there are some people out there who willingly get one from a breeder, but in my UMC liberal circles, all the pits are rescues. I’d be super duper surprised if there is a pit in bethesda that’s not a rescue.

Makes sense. Rescues are dangerous. Pitbulls are dangerous. It’s a terrible combination.

This isn't so. You do realize that there are Golden Retriever rescues, Border collie rescues etc and they aren't dangerous? If dogs attacked all the time this wouldn't be news.

There are 4.5 million dog bites a year

"the PITBULL was not contained and was EATING THE OTHER DOG in the yard of a residence"

To the stupid, this will read as "horribly violent dog does unspeakable thing because pit bulls are evil". To the intelligent, and especially those who understand dogs, it's more a clue that the dog was likely badly malnourished, which is a sign of abuse.

There's a clickbait "news" article in the pit hate thread showing some dude's XL bully that turned on him. Dog is emaciated, coat is in terrible condition... Dogs are animals and they need to eat. As unpleasant as it is to read about, there's logic and reason behind it, and the reason isn't "the dog('s whole breed) is clearly evil"

I hope the owner is found and fined.

But that’s the whole problem! Dogs whose needs aren’t met are more unpredictable than dogs who are meticulously cared for by diligent owners. The 5 breeds that are collectively called pit bulls are spayed and neutered at lower rates than other breeds. They frequently aren’t bred according to best practices. Many of them are the result of rampant, unchecked breeding. They aren’t carefully nurtured and socialized. Tons of them end up in shelters. Some end up being used for dog fighting. Clueless first time dog owners take one home from the shelter without understanding the dog’s needs for exercise and mental stimulation. They don’t know how to train the dog and don’t invest in professional training. They don’t know that bully breeds are great escape artists. They don’t know that retractable leashes are a bad idea. They had no idea how strong that little puppy would be once it’s full grown. They weren’t prepared for just how expensive dog ownership is, especially veterinary care. Shelters have way more pit bulls than other types of dogs, and so those are the breeds that are most likely to end up in the care of people who are the least suited for dog ownership.

Most dog breeds exist for specific purposes, whether it’s flushing out game or retrieving water fowl or extracting rodents from underground or herding sheep or pulling sleds or guarding the home or simply being a Velcro lap dog. Most purebred dogs have certain predictable traits because those traits are literally bred into them. Because so many pit bulls and pit mixes were bred without intention or even with bad intentions, and have come from unknown backgrounds, you don’t know that that cute puppy at the shelter isn’t the product of multiple generations of dogs who had to fight for their survival.

People don’t think pit bulls are just inherently evil; they think pit bulls are inherently unpredictable and dangerous because of the complete irresponsibility of a significant portion of the people who own pit bulls — the very same people who are most like to have their dogs reproduce at the highest rates.

Maybe they're bots, not actual people, but a startling number of comments on this board hate pit bulls and want them all killed because they're 'ugly', so...

The solution isn't breed restrictions. Its owner licensing and insurance and stricter penalties for mishandling and/or failing to control one's animal(s). Those policies can be non-discriminately applied to all dog owners (because all dogs can bite) and we'd all be the better for it. Expanded regulations for breeders, heavy penalties for violations, a universal database for incidents... We have the technology. People are just too caught up being hysterical about one group (multiple breeds, one group label "pit bulls") to take the matter seriously and actually accomplish something sensible. They overly penalize one group while essentially ignoring all the other ways things can and do go pear-shaped.

Universal legislation for "dogs", not just "pit bulls", would actually solve the problem and all its components. We can't have that because haters are too busy hysterically ranting about breed of dog that doesn't even exist and isn't the sole problem (or, depending on your intelligence levels, the problem at all). The problem is crappy humans. If we focus, we could solve it.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been bitten once. By a lab.

Couldn't possibly have happened! Only pit bulls bite! Are you sure it actually bit you? Maybe it was 1% pit!!!

-pitbull psychosis sufferers

it's 35% of bites are pits or rotts
75% of fatal attacks are pits or rotts

Do your own research and provide stats that show i am wrong.

"I have no stats. If you want stats, you do the work I'm unwilling to do and unpack my ignorance for me. The reward for this unpaid labor will be me continuing to blather on about my crappy take, learning nothing, because I love my ignorance and have no good sense."

Tempting, but... no.

No thanks... any research I provide you you are going to make some inane assertion that the source is false. You were provide court cases all over the US that showed pits are dangerous, they were bread to be so, owners can't undo breeding... but "you are a volunteer" so that makes you an expert.

But you've only shown you are an expert in ignorance and the inability to take part in a conversation where you hold up your end of proving your point.

Your "research" does not show this point. At all. It also lumps all the dogs that 'look pit' under the same label. And here you are, lashing out at me instead of patching the holes in your own argument, which is why I already declined.

Be ignorant, if you like. I'd prefer you were also quiet, but you're not my responsibility (praise be).

The reality is pits were breed to fight and that is still in their breeding and your liberal heart is not going to stop the fact that this breed is dangerous (as well as a few others).

I don't think we should kill them but I do think their owners should have to prove every 2 years their dog can be in an area with other dogs and not attack.

If they attack they can't have the dog.

They also have a high prey drive and are easily triggered to attack in seemingly innocuous situations.

So do greyhounds

Let me know how many news articles you can find about greyhounds killing other dogs.

Took all of 20 seconds, slacker: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/moment-greyhounds-attack-and-kill-chihuahua-in-coventry-caught-on-camera/ar-BB1gX3CE

Complete with video. Dogs off leash, the on-leash dogs not under proper control... all the variables cited above, no "pit bulls"

Your move, chump.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we discuss the pit bull eating the dead dog in the yard??? I’ve had dogs my entire life and have never known one to eat a dead animal. What the hell is that? I’ve even had retrieving bird dogs. Was this dog starved? I just can’t imagine another dog killing and eating another.

Any IDs on the breed of the leashed dog that the pit killed?

This happened in my neighborhood, and I know the owners of the victim dog, a very sweet small/medium doodle mix that was always leashed on walks. The grapevine says the aggressor dog was a pit that apparently a neighborhood family was fostering (and doing a shockingly poor job of that, clearly).

People are out walking their dogs constantly around here, and everyone is shaken up and feeling horrible that our neighbor and her lovely dog had to endure this. We are all thinking about what we would or should have done if it happened to us. Does everyone else walk around their neighborhoods with bear or pepper spray just in case? Are those actually effective in dog attack scenarios?

Oh, goody. Gossip. That'll help.

This information is actually responsive to the thread topic, unlike the bizarre rants from the pit apologists.

I’m curious about what others do, if anything, to be prepared should they or their dog be attacked by a dangerous animal in their neighborhood?

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Anonymous wrote:Additionally, as noted in the gossip post above, the dog was a foster so not malnourished and starving.

Just deranged.

Your willingness to make assumptions is asstonishing.