Two dogs killed & two women injured

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Anonymous wrote:They are bred to bite down and not let go. The opposite is something like a Lab that is bred to have a soft mouth when they retrieve ducks when hunting.

I dog sat for a friend with a pit bull. Very friendly girl but she would bite down on toys or bully sticks and wouldn't let go. It was almost like her jaws were locked. If that had been a part of my body, I would've bled out if nobody was around to call for help.

This is a myth. Do your research before spreading fake info.


Pit Bull's "Hold and Shake" Bite Style
A pit bull's bite is designed to inflict the maximum damage possible on its victim. Through selective breeding, pit bulls have developed enormous jaw strength and a "hold and shake" bite style. The pit bull's jaws lock onto its victim and violently shake the victim, refusing to let go. Even Good Samaritans who attempt to free the victim by employing hoses, hammers, bats, and pipes on the pit bull are often unsuccessful.

The pit bull's "hold and shake" bite style can cause severe bone and muscle damage. The injuries inflicted are often permanent and disfiguring. Injuries suffered by the victims of pit bull attacks are comparable to those suffered by shark attack victims.


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https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/md-court-of-appeals/1599539.html

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=2129017724410610481

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=447054344895785524

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=9451646066952044894

to name a few



If one of those contains a quote you were citing, please point it out.

Of interest, here are some excerpts from the second link:

{¶ 39} The statistics offered at trial in this case may support a correlation between pit bulls and the frequency and severity of injuries they cause to people in urban settings, but they do not establish the conclusion that pit bulls must necessarily pose a danger. Indeed, experts in the canine field who rate the temperament of different breeds of dogs conclude that pit bulls have a better temperament than many other common breeds of dogs used as pets, including the miniature poodle and Shih-Tzu. See Karyn Grey, Breed-Specific Legislation Revisited: Canine Racism or the Answer to Florida's Dog Control Problems? (2003), 27 Nova L.Rev. 415, 436, and fns. 147 and 148.

{¶ 40} A more thorough analysis of the dynamic would demonstrate that the danger posed is the result of some dog owners, including drug dealers, who deliberately increase the dog's aggression and lethality through abuse or other specific methods of training. Other owners simply fail to properly train and supervise the animal, thereby creating dangerous behavior by the dog.

{¶ 41} Almost all domestic animals can cause significant injuries to humans, and it is proper to require that all domestic animals be maintained and controlled. Laws to that effect are eminently reasonable for the safety of citizens and of the animal. Because the danger posed by vicious dogs and pit bulls arises from the owner's failure to safely control the animal, rational legislation should focus on the owner of the dog rather than the specific breed that is owned.

Which, you know, isn't exactly helpful to your case.

It's basically saying breed restrictions are functionally useless, the metrics required to prove the "all pits are violent" trope simply don't exist, and what we should be focusing on is dealing with the HUMANS involved in these situations, which is what I've been saying for many years now.

So... thanks? I guess?


or you could skip all the legal description and get to the conclusion.

The extreme dangerousness of this breed, as it has evolved today, is well recognized. ‘Pit bulls as a breed are known to be extremely aggressive and have been bred as attack animals.’ Giaculli v. Bright, 584 So.2d 187, 189 (Fla.App.1991). Indeed, it has been judicially noted that pit bull dogs ‘bite to kill without signal” (Starkey v. Township of Chester, 628 F.Supp. 196, 197 (E.D.Pa.1986)), are selectively bred to have powerful jaws, high insensitivity to pain, extreme aggressiveness, a natural tendency to refuse to terminate an attack, and a greater propensity to bite humans than other breeds. The “Pit Bull's massive canine jaws can crush a victim with up to two thousand pounds (2,000) of pressure per square inch—three times that of a German Sheppard or Doberman Pinscher.” State v. Peters, 534 So.2d 760, 764 (Fla.App.1988) review denied, 542 So.2d 1334 (Fla.1989). See also Hearn v. City of Overland Park, 244 Kan. 638, 650, 647, 722 P.2d 758, 768, 765, cert. denied 493 U.S. 976, 110 S.Ct. 500, 107 L.Ed.2d 503 (1989) (‘pit bull dogs represent a unique health hazard ․ [possessing] both the capacity for extraordinarily savage behavior ․ [a] capacity for uniquely vicious attacks ․ coupled with an unpredictable nature”․ and that “of the 32 known human deaths in the United States due to dog attacks ․ [in the period between July 1983 and April 1989], 23 were caused by attacks by pit bull dogs.” Pit bull dogs have even been considered as weapons. See State v. Livingston, 420 N.W.2d 230 (Minn.App.1998) (for the purpose of first degree murder); People v. Garraway, 187 A.D.2d 761, 589 N.Y.S.2d 942 (1992) (upholding conviction of pit bull's owner of criminal weapon in the third degree).


"Pit bull" isn't even a breed. The ignorance...


And yet somehow we all know what it means, pittie lovers and pit mix haters, landlords, tenants, victims, lawyers and judges. How strange.


It means stupid people judge things they can't even define properly, let alone understand.
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Couldn't possibly have happened! Only pit bulls bite! Are you sure it actually bit you? Maybe it was 1% pit!!!

-pitbull psychosis sufferers


it's 35% of bites are pits or rotts
75% of fatal attacks are pits or rotts

Do your own research and provide stats that show i am wrong.


"I have no stats. If you want stats, you do the work I'm unwilling to do and unpack my ignorance for me. The reward for this unpaid labor will be me continuing to blather on about my crappy take, learning nothing, because I love my ignorance and have no good sense."

Tempting, but... no.


No thanks... any research I provide you you are going to make some inane assertion that the source is false. You were provide court cases all over the US that showed pits are dangerous, they were bread to be so, owners can't undo breeding... but "you are a volunteer" so that makes you an expert.

But you've only shown you are an expert in ignorance and the inability to take part in a conversation where you hold up your end of proving your point.


Your "research" does not show this point. At all. It also lumps all the dogs that 'look pit' under the same label. And here you are, lashing out at me instead of patching the holes in your own argument, which is why I already declined.

Be ignorant, if you like. I'd prefer you were also quiet, but you're not my responsibility (praise be).


The reality is pits were breed to fight and that is still in their breeding and your liberal heart is not going to stop the fact that this breed is dangerous (as well as a few others).

I don't think we should kill them but I do think their owners should have to prove every 2 years their dog can be in an area with other dogs and not attack.

If they attack they can't have the dog.
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Anonymous wrote:I have been bitten once. By a lab.




Couldn't possibly have happened! Only pit bulls bite! Are you sure it actually bit you? Maybe it was 1% pit!!!

-pitbull psychosis sufferers


it's 35% of bites are pits or rotts
75% of fatal attacks are pits or rotts

Do your own research and provide stats that show i am wrong.


"I have no stats. If you want stats, you do the work I'm unwilling to do and unpack my ignorance for me. The reward for this unpaid labor will be me continuing to blather on about my crappy take, learning nothing, because I love my ignorance and have no good sense."

Tempting, but... no.


No thanks... any research I provide you you are going to make some inane assertion that the source is false. You were provide court cases all over the US that showed pits are dangerous, they were bread to be so, owners can't undo breeding... but "you are a volunteer" so that makes you an expert.

But you've only shown you are an expert in ignorance and the inability to take part in a conversation where you hold up your end of proving your point.


Your "research" does not show this point. At all. It also lumps all the dogs that 'look pit' under the same label. And here you are, lashing out at me instead of patching the holes in your own argument, which is why I already declined.

Be ignorant, if you like. I'd prefer you were also quiet, but you're not my responsibility (praise be).


The reality is pits were breed to fight and that is still in their breeding and your liberal heart is not going to stop the fact that this breed is dangerous (as well as a few others).

I don't think we should kill them but I do think their owners should have to prove every 2 years their dog can be in an area with other dogs and not attack.

If they attack they can't have the dog.


They also have a high prey drive and are easily triggered to attack in seemingly innocuous situations.
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Anonymous wrote:Moco360 reports that the attacking dog was a pit bull:
https://moco360.media/2024/12/18/pitbull-fatally-shot-wednesday-after-attacking-two-women-in-bethesda/


Was it a rescue?


I have never met anyone with a pit bull that wasn’t a rescue. I guess there are pit bull breeders out there and I guess there are some people out there who willingly get one from a breeder, but in my UMC liberal circles, all the pits are rescues. I’d be super duper surprised if there is a pit in bethesda that’s not a rescue.


Makes sense. Rescues are dangerous. Pitbulls are dangerous. It’s a terrible combination.


This isn't so. You do realize that there are Golden Retriever rescues, Border collie rescues etc and they aren't dangerous? If dogs attacked all the time this wouldn't be news.


There are 4.5 million dog bites a year


"the PITBULL was not contained and was EATING THE OTHER DOG in the yard of a residence"



To the stupid, this will read as "horribly violent dog does unspeakable thing because pit bulls are evil". To the intelligent, and especially those who understand dogs, it's more a clue that the dog was likely badly malnourished, which is a sign of abuse.

There's a clickbait "news" article in the pit hate thread showing some dude's XL bully that turned on him. Dog is emaciated, coat is in terrible condition... Dogs are animals and they need to eat. As unpleasant as it is to read about, there's logic and reason behind it, and the reason isn't "the dog('s whole breed) is clearly evil"

I hope the owner is found and fined.

But that’s the whole problem! Dogs whose needs aren’t met are more unpredictable than dogs who are meticulously cared for by diligent owners. The 5 breeds that are collectively called pit bulls are spayed and neutered at lower rates than other breeds. They frequently aren’t bred according to best practices. Many of them are the result of rampant, unchecked breeding. They aren’t carefully nurtured and socialized. Tons of them end up in shelters. Some end up being used for dog fighting. Clueless first time dog owners take one home from the shelter without understanding the dog’s needs for exercise and mental stimulation. They don’t know how to train the dog and don’t invest in professional training. They don’t know that bully breeds are great escape artists. They don’t know that retractable leashes are a bad idea. They had no idea how strong that little puppy would be once it’s full grown. They weren’t prepared for just how expensive dog ownership is, especially veterinary care. Shelters have way more pit bulls than other types of dogs, and so those are the breeds that are most likely to end up in the care of people who are the least suited for dog ownership.

Most dog breeds exist for specific purposes, whether it’s flushing out game or retrieving water fowl or extracting rodents from underground or herding sheep or pulling sleds or guarding the home or simply being a Velcro lap dog. Most purebred dogs have certain predictable traits because those traits are literally bred into them. Because so many pit bulls and pit mixes were bred without intention or even with bad intentions, and have come from unknown backgrounds, you don’t know that that cute puppy at the shelter isn’t the product of multiple generations of dogs who had to fight for their survival.

People don’t think pit bulls are just inherently evil; they think pit bulls are inherently unpredictable and dangerous because of the complete irresponsibility of a significant portion of the people who own pit bulls — the very same people who are most like to have their dogs reproduce at the highest rates.
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Can we discuss the pit bull eating the dead dog in the yard??? I’ve had dogs my entire life and have never known one to eat a dead animal. What the hell is that? I’ve even had retrieving bird dogs. Was this dog starved? I just can’t imagine another dog killing and eating another.

Any IDs on the breed of the leashed dog that the pit killed?
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We do not need to kill all pit bulls. What we need is immediate spay or neuter on all. Within 15 years this awful breed will be eliminated. And yes, we need to go south and make them fix their dogs too. These pits are shipped from the south.
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Totally agree. Automatic spay and neuter. No exceptions
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Anonymous wrote:Moco360 reports that the attacking dog was a pit bull:
https://moco360.media/2024/12/18/pitbull-fatally-shot-wednesday-after-attacking-two-women-in-bethesda/


Was it a rescue?


I have never met anyone with a pit bull that wasn’t a rescue. I guess there are pit bull breeders out there and I guess there are some people out there who willingly get one from a breeder, but in my UMC liberal circles, all the pits are rescues. I’d be super duper surprised if there is a pit in bethesda that’s not a rescue.


Makes sense. Rescues are dangerous. Pitbulls are dangerous. It’s a terrible combination.


This isn't so. You do realize that there are Golden Retriever rescues, Border collie rescues etc and they aren't dangerous? If dogs attacked all the time this wouldn't be news.


There are 4.5 million dog bites a year


"the PITBULL was not contained and was EATING THE OTHER DOG in the yard of a residence"



Because rescues were abused and attack


Clearly you don't volunteer for a rescue. The majority of dogs come in because people are moving, or their schedules change (all the pandemic puppies when their owners went back to working in the office instead of at-home), or they've had a kid and the dog isn't a good fit...

Abused animals have a different protocol, get separated for different screening, and are usually NOT just adopted out to anyone. Those of us who volunteer our time and energy do it because we love the animals and want better for them.

Then you ignorant idiots come along and post out your backsides with this absolute nonsense, and somehow it's taken as truth.

Go volunteer at a shelter and learn something. Clear your dishonesty debts.


I’m a little confused by your post only because I know so many people with rescue dogs that say things like “he doesn’t like men—they think he was probably abused by one.” Or “he doesn’t like kids—they think he probably had bad experiences with them.” These are like your run of the mill dog adopters, not people that have any special training dealing with traumatized animals or anything. I totally agree that not all rescues are like this but in my social circle, I’d say about half of the rescues have some sort of anxiety trigger that is known to the owners.


Ah, yes, the magical thinking that untrained owners use to justify improperly training their animals. "He doesn't like men"? Well then, your job is to encounter as many men as you can and retrain your dog. "he doesn't like kids?" Teach your dog to sit quietly and down stay outside the playground at recess time (outside; do not force your poorly trained animal on anyone, especially kids) until he calms down.

Very few shelters are going to adopt a truly traumatized/abused animal to a noob. It's bad for the dog and bad for the shelter (who will likely see the dog again in short order). Some people have their "every rescue dog has baggage" mentality linked up with their victim narratives and use it to justify all their dogs' poor behavior. Responsible owners don't make excuses. They train their dogs.

I've worked with a lot of dogs who really did have "damage". They're retrainable. I've got one now who would barely leave her crate when I first fostered her, even for hot dog pieces and other high-value treats. She'd lay flat anytime we tried to leash her (ever tried to walk a cat? like that :lol About half a year later, she's can still be skittish in unfamiliar environments, but we go on mile-long walks daily, past construction sites (full of men), and can do polite meet-and-greets with other dogs and their owners, including children. Part of that is that I know what I'm doing; I've been doing this for decades now. Most of that is that I didn't make excuses for my animal, and instead provided her with the training and resources she needed to overcome her insecurities/faults.

There is definitely a pervasive "rescued dog owner" mentality and it's a huge red flag to people who know better. Again, blame the owners/excuse-makers, not the animals. The sad thing is, dog training isn't some kind of arcane lore. It's entirely possible to read a few books, take a few classes, work with someone who knows more than you do and rescue an average dog with excellent results. That so many people don't is about the low-quality of dog owners these days, not a statement about their poorly-handled pets.


If you let your aggressive, scared of kids pit bull lay down outside my kids school at recess to “train it”, I’m going to call the police on you. My elementary kid is afraid of dogs after a dog (a pit bull of course, but you won’t believe me I’m sure) ran away from his owner and attacked his sister in front of him. (She is fine now, except for scarring on her arm, thanks for asking). If you subject him to your dog sitting directly outside the fence staring at him as he tries to have recess, you are a terrible human being.



Another illiterate idiot. What I wrote was: "Teach your dog to sit quietly and down stay outside the playground at recess time (outside; do not force your poorly trained animal on anyone, especially kids) until he calms down."

What you apparently managed to interpret was: OMG!!111 PITBULLZ ARE TEH DEBIL!!!!! YOU ARE A TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING!!!

It's like y'all glitch when you see "pit bull". It would be funny if it weren't apparently contagious, and didn't result in thousands of innocent dogs getting put down because ignorant people didn't like them


Yea. “Teach your dog to sit quietly and down stay outside the playground at recess time”. And I’m saying, don’t bring your dog to the school playground at recess time to teach it to sit quietly. What if your teaching has a hiccup and the dog lunges at the playground or barks aggressively at the kids? That’s fine because it’s all part of your training regimen I guess.
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Anonymous wrote:We do not need to kill all pit bulls. What we need is immediate spay or neuter on all. Within 15 years this awful breed will be eliminated. And yes, we need to go south and make them fix their dogs too. These pits are shipped from the south.


In addition, we need to halt “rescues” from shipping in dogs from other states. They keep importing dogs, importing problems, and our shelters are full.
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Anonymous wrote:I have been bitten once. By a lab.




Couldn't possibly have happened! Only pit bulls bite! Are you sure it actually bit you? Maybe it was 1% pit!!!

-pitbull psychosis sufferers


it's 35% of bites are pits or rotts
75% of fatal attacks are pits or rotts

Do your own research and provide stats that show i am wrong.


"I have no stats. If you want stats, you do the work I'm unwilling to do and unpack my ignorance for me. The reward for this unpaid labor will be me continuing to blather on about my crappy take, learning nothing, because I love my ignorance and have no good sense."

Tempting, but... no.


No thanks... any research I provide you you are going to make some inane assertion that the source is false. You were provide court cases all over the US that showed pits are dangerous, they were bread to be so, owners can't undo breeding... but "you are a volunteer" so that makes you an expert.

But you've only shown you are an expert in ignorance and the inability to take part in a conversation where you hold up your end of proving your point.


Your "research" does not show this point. At all. It also lumps all the dogs that 'look pit' under the same label. And here you are, lashing out at me instead of patching the holes in your own argument, which is why I already declined.

Be ignorant, if you like. I'd prefer you were also quiet, but you're not my responsibility (praise be).


The reality is pits were breed to fight and that is still in their breeding and your liberal heart is not going to stop the fact that this breed is dangerous (as well as a few others).

I don't think we should kill them but I do think their owners should have to prove every 2 years their dog can be in an area with other dogs and not attack.

If they attack they can't have the dog.


They also have a high prey drive and are easily triggered to attack in seemingly innocuous situations.


All do the breeding, not lack of training. This is why I think certain breeds should have to be certified as safe every few years.

Even a well trained dangerous dog will get dementia or sick and have the propensity to attack.
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Anonymous wrote:We do not need to kill all pit bulls. What we need is immediate spay or neuter on all. Within 15 years this awful breed will be eliminated. And yes, we need to go south and make them fix their dogs too. These pits are shipped from the south.

In addition, we need to halt “rescues” from shipping in dogs from other states. They keep importing dogs, importing problems, and our shelters are full.

These states are all in the south. Why does that region have so many dogs that need rescuing?
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Anonymous wrote:We do not need to kill all pit bulls. What we need is immediate spay or neuter on all. Within 15 years this awful breed will be eliminated. And yes, we need to go south and make them fix their dogs too. These pits are shipped from the south.

In addition, we need to halt “rescues” from shipping in dogs from other states. They keep importing dogs, importing problems, and our shelters are full.

These states are all in the south. Why does that region have so many dogs that need rescuing?


My relative moved to Georgia. There are swarms of wild dogs that roam the streets. She has to walk with bear spray due to being attacked. Her stories are insane. Seems there’s no animal control there and no one cares about all the feral dogs.
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Anonymous wrote:We do not need to kill all pit bulls. What we need is immediate spay or neuter on all. Within 15 years this awful breed will be eliminated. And yes, we need to go south and make them fix their dogs too. These pits are shipped from the south.


In addition, we need to halt “rescues” from shipping in dogs from other states. They keep importing dogs, importing problems, and our shelters are full.


These stupid rescues are bringing them up here because the shelters in the south are kill shelters. I too would like this prevented. Can states stop dogs from being imported like this? I know the US stopped allowing rescues to bring dogs into the US for similar reasons.
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Anonymous wrote:Can we discuss the pit bull eating the dead dog in the yard??? I’ve had dogs my entire life and have never known one to eat a dead animal. What the hell is that? I’ve even had retrieving bird dogs. Was this dog starved? I just can’t imagine another dog killing and eating another.

Any IDs on the breed of the leashed dog that the pit killed?

This happened in my neighborhood, and I know the owners of the victim dog, a very sweet small/medium doodle mix that was always leashed on walks. The grapevine says the aggressor dog was a pit that apparently a neighborhood family was fostering (and doing a shockingly poor job of that, clearly).

People are out walking their dogs constantly around here, and everyone is shaken up and feeling horrible that our neighbor and her lovely dog had to endure this. We are all thinking about what we would or should have done if it happened to us. Does everyone else walk around their neighborhoods with bear or pepper spray just in case? Are those actually effective in dog attack scenarios?
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Couldn't possibly have happened! Only pit bulls bite! Are you sure it actually bit you? Maybe it was 1% pit!!!

-pitbull psychosis sufferers


it's 35% of bites are pits or rotts
75% of fatal attacks are pits or rotts

Do your own research and provide stats that show i am wrong.


"I have no stats. If you want stats, you do the work I'm unwilling to do and unpack my ignorance for me. The reward for this unpaid labor will be me continuing to blather on about my crappy take, learning nothing, because I love my ignorance and have no good sense."

Tempting, but... no.


No thanks... any research I provide you you are going to make some inane assertion that the source is false. You were provide court cases all over the US that showed pits are dangerous, they were bread to be so, owners can't undo breeding... but "you are a volunteer" so that makes you an expert.

But you've only shown you are an expert in ignorance and the inability to take part in a conversation where you hold up your end of proving your point.


Your "research" does not show this point. At all. It also lumps all the dogs that 'look pit' under the same label. And here you are, lashing out at me instead of patching the holes in your own argument, which is why I already declined.

Be ignorant, if you like. I'd prefer you were also quiet, but you're not my responsibility (praise be).


The reality is pits were breed to fight and that is still in their breeding and your liberal heart is not going to stop the fact that this breed is dangerous (as well as a few others).

I don't think we should kill them but I do think their owners should have to prove every 2 years their dog can be in an area with other dogs and not attack.

If they attack they can't have the dog.


They also have a high prey drive and are easily triggered to attack in seemingly innocuous situations.


So do greyhounds
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