2024 JonBenet Documentary

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Anonymous wrote:Wasn't there an important detail involving a bonus check and how that was significant? I don't quite recall.

JR’s Christmas bonus ($118k or something) was the exact amount demanded in the “ransom note.”

That bonus was paid to him in January 1996, nearly a year prior to the murder. It was written on his paper pay statements throughout 1996, so it only would have taken someone seeing one of those to know the number.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We'll never know which one did it, but as others have said it was mostly likely Burke. They lost one child, didn't want to lose their other which is understandable. The police knew all this in the beginning.

They wouldn't have lost Burke, he was too young for anything other than intensive therapy. But the shame of it, don't think Patsy in particular could handle that.

They were very much about image. John's PR team worked overtime for years trying to repair it, putting out countless denials. He hoped Burke going on Dr Phil would deflect away from their guilt. It only affirmed it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We'll never know which one did it, but as others have said it was mostly likely Burke. They lost one child, didn't want to lose their other which is understandable. The police knew all this in the beginning.

They wouldn't have lost Burke, he was too young for anything other than intensive therapy. But the shame of it, don't think Patsy in particular could handle that.

They were very much about image. John's PR team worked overtime for years trying to repair it, putting out countless denials. He hoped Burke going on Dr Phil would deflect away from their guilt. It only affirmed it.

Affirmed it to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Burke did it, by hitting her over the head, why not stage a scene where she fell down the stairs? It makes no sense that the family would cover it up by making it so much worse. Make it look like an accident.

NP. You really can’t talk about what “makes no sense” when you’re dealing with a family like this. They heavily sexualized a preschooler (toddler?!) all for attention for themselves. Very few parents would do that. There’s a lot wrong with them - in the most generous case, they’re very dumb and have extremely poor judgement. FWIW I think it was the brother and the parents covered it up. Or tried to, using their very poor judgement. And I guess it worked because they got away with it. So maybe they’re not as dumb as I thought.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We'll never know which one did it, but as others have said it was mostly likely Burke. They lost one child, didn't want to lose their other which is understandable. The police knew all this in the beginning.

They wouldn't have lost Burke, he was too young for anything other than intensive therapy. But the shame of it, don't think Patsy in particular could handle that.

They were very much about image. John's PR team worked overtime for years trying to repair it, putting out countless denials. He hoped Burke going on Dr Phil would deflect away from their guilt. It only affirmed it.

I don't think it affirmed it, but it didn't settle anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Burke did it, by hitting her over the head, why not stage a scene where she fell down the stairs? It makes no sense that the family would cover it up by making it so much worse. Make it look like an accident.

NP. You really can’t talk about what “makes no sense” when you’re dealing with a family like this. They heavily sexualized a preschooler (toddler?!) all for attention for themselves. Very few parents would do that. There’s a lot wrong with them - in the most generous case, they’re very dumb and have extremely poor judgement. FWIW I think it was the brother and the parents covered it up. Or tried to, using their very poor judgement. And I guess it worked because they got away with it. So maybe they’re not as dumb as I thought.

I don’t get the sexualization accusations. She was in little local community pageants. The family was from Atlanta- this was incredibly common in the south.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get the family did it theory.

Why was she tasered?

She was tortured. The garret are whatever is used to torture- she clawed away at it. She was alive during that and the sex abuse. You really think the mom or dad would have tortured her to cover up? That seems implausible.

And why did the police not release dna evidence after they found it in mid January? Why did they have to be sued to let the outside detective, who was highly skilled, present his intruder theory ti the grand jury.

Why didn’t anyone mention the serial rapist who was running around boulder breaking into the houses and hiding out for hours until everyone was asleep and then finding young girls to rape? Just a coincidence or was that patsy ramsey too?

I feel like some of you didn’t watch this documentary.

Someone in the police department was deeply corrupt. I’m wondering if a cop was the serial rapist and needed to cover up.

She wasn’t tasered. The marks on her back matched the tracks of burkes electric train set, which was set up in the basement. He knocked her unconscious with the flashlight after an altercation -likely after luring her down to the basement cellar to look at unopened Christmas presents for their upcoming trip with John’s kids from his first marriage. She was unconscious and when he couldn’t wake her up, poked her and experimented with her with the train tracks, a paintbrush and ultimately strangled her with a garrote, whether intentionally or not. Her bladder let loose this point on the carpet outside the cellar. Literally everything from the violent part of the attack was from materials in the kitchen and basement.

Patsy never went to sleep that night, was up late packing or whatnot, discovered the scene. She let out a blood curdling scream which a neighbor reported hearing. She found JB strangled to death - did not know she’d been knocked unconscious first with a fatal brain injury - and staged an abduction with duct tape over her mouth (that patsy’s sweater fibers were found on, and was undisturbed, proving it had been applied after jonbenet was already deceased.) she also used the same string as the garrote to loosely tie jonbenets wrists. She wiped down her legs and put new unopened underwear on her (”days of the week” underwear she had purchased from bloomingdales for an older niece.) wrapped her in a blanket that the housekeeper had left in the dryer, in fact, so recently removed that a nightgown was stuck to it with static.

She then wrote a three page ransom note with materials from the kitchen. Neighbors reported seeing dim lights on in the kitchen around 3am. John, who had taken a sleeping pill the night before expecting to fly their plane to Michigan, woke up to a scene of a staged ransom note and patsy calling 911. patsy called a bunch of friends over and got Burke out of the house, which is NOT what normal parents would do after their other child had been abducted. He knew something was off but did not figure out the full extent of things until the time for a ransom call came and went, and he disappears for an hour to the basement where he discovered jonbenet. He completed some elements of staging. Patsy was still wearing the same clothes and makeup as the night prior, indicating that she never slept.

The sole suitcase found in the basement was probably there to try to remove her from the house, but rigor mortis had set in by that point.

A few hours later, in searching the house again, John made a beeline for the cellar where they discovered jonbenet. that evening, John tried to get the family out of state to Atlanta, which the police informed them they could not do.

Burke never showed concern for his missing sister or for his own safety. And he indicated to police before autopsy results were available that he knew how JB died - that a “a bad guy” had hit her over the head.

Burke had a history of psychological behaviors - including police finding his fecal matter in jonbenets room and on a box of chocolates she’d received for Christmas - and had attempted to hit her in the head with a golf club the summer prior. He was troubled and likely not being adequately treated.

A horrible case but most likely scenario of what happened.

There's zero doubt one of the three did it, but yes likely Burke.

What about the male dna under her nails? It matched the underwear dna.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, anyone could guess that nickname for the grandmother.

I think it’s not Burke because the parents would never have let the police interview Burke alone if he were the murderer. The documentary had several clips of Burke in interviews without his parents. They would have insisted on being present (which they have a right to do).

I mean, not really. He seemed to know a lot of specific details. He had been stalking the family for years and had a serious child porn problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wasn't there an important detail involving a bonus check and how that was significant? I don't quite recall.

JR’s Christmas bonus ($118k or something) was the exact amount demanded in the “ransom note.”

That bonus was paid to him in January 1996, nearly a year prior to the murder. It was written on his paper pay statements throughout 1996, so it only would have taken someone seeing one of those to know the number.

It's a thought - apparently his housekeeping company knew his bonus amount. They would also know their way around that crazy house set up

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get the family did it theory.

Why was she tasered?

She was tortured. The garret are whatever is used to torture- she clawed away at it. She was alive during that and the sex abuse. You really think the mom or dad would have tortured her to cover up? That seems implausible.

And why did the police not release dna evidence after they found it in mid January? Why did they have to be sued to let the outside detective, who was highly skilled, present his intruder theory ti the grand jury.

Why didn’t anyone mention the serial rapist who was running around boulder breaking into the houses and hiding out for hours until everyone was asleep and then finding young girls to rape? Just a coincidence or was that patsy ramsey too?

I feel like some of you didn’t watch this documentary.

Someone in the police department was deeply corrupt. I’m wondering if a cop was the serial rapist and needed to cover up.

She wasn’t tasered. The marks on her back matched the tracks of burkes electric train set, which was set up in the basement. He knocked her unconscious with the flashlight after an altercation -likely after luring her down to the basement cellar to look at unopened Christmas presents for their upcoming trip with John’s kids from his first marriage. She was unconscious and when he couldn’t wake her up, poked her and experimented with her with the train tracks, a paintbrush and ultimately strangled her with a garrote, whether intentionally or not. Her bladder let loose this point on the carpet outside the cellar. Literally everything from the violent part of the attack was from materials in the kitchen and basement.

Patsy never went to sleep that night, was up late packing or whatnot, discovered the scene. She let out a blood curdling scream which a neighbor reported hearing. She found JB strangled to death - did not know she’d been knocked unconscious first with a fatal brain injury - and staged an abduction with duct tape over her mouth (that patsy’s sweater fibers were found on, and was undisturbed, proving it had been applied after jonbenet was already deceased.) she also used the same string as the garrote to loosely tie jonbenets wrists. She wiped down her legs and put new unopened underwear on her (”days of the week” underwear she had purchased from bloomingdales for an older niece.) wrapped her in a blanket that the housekeeper had left in the dryer, in fact, so recently removed that a nightgown was stuck to it with static.

She then wrote a three page ransom note with materials from the kitchen. Neighbors reported seeing dim lights on in the kitchen around 3am. John, who had taken a sleeping pill the night before expecting to fly their plane to Michigan, woke up to a scene of a staged ransom note and patsy calling 911. patsy called a bunch of friends over and got Burke out of the house, which is NOT what normal parents would do after their other child had been abducted. He knew something was off but did not figure out the full extent of things until the time for a ransom call came and went, and he disappears for an hour to the basement where he discovered jonbenet. He completed some elements of staging. Patsy was still wearing the same clothes and makeup as the night prior, indicating that she never slept.

The sole suitcase found in the basement was probably there to try to remove her from the house, but rigor mortis had set in by that point.

A few hours later, in searching the house again, John made a beeline for the cellar where they discovered jonbenet. that evening, John tried to get the family out of state to Atlanta, which the police informed them they could not do.

Burke never showed concern for his missing sister or for his own safety. And he indicated to police before autopsy results were available that he knew how JB died - that a “a bad guy” had hit her over the head.

Burke had a history of psychological behaviors - including police finding his fecal matter in jonbenets room and on a box of chocolates she’d received for Christmas - and had attempted to hit her in the head with a golf club the summer prior. He was troubled and likely not being adequately treated.

A horrible case but most likely scenario of what happened.

There's zero doubt one of the three did it, but yes likely Burke.

What about the male dna under her nails? It matched the underwear dna.

PP has a theory and it is affirmed. Any evidence that doesn’t support it is ignored and not considered. PP is as bad as Boulder PD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Burke did it, by hitting her over the head, why not stage a scene where she fell down the stairs? It makes no sense that the family would cover it up by making it so much worse. Make it look like an accident.

NP. You really can’t talk about what “makes no sense” when you’re dealing with a family like this. They heavily sexualized a preschooler (toddler?!) all for attention for themselves. Very few parents would do that. There’s a lot wrong with them - in the most generous case, they’re very dumb and have extremely poor judgement. FWIW I think it was the brother and the parents covered it up. Or tried to, using their very poor judgement. And I guess it worked because they got away with it. So maybe they’re not as dumb as I thought.

I can say it makes no sense when it doesn’t. Parents don’t do that to their kids in some bizarre coverup fantasy you’ve spun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Burke did it, by hitting her over the head, why not stage a scene where she fell down the stairs? It makes no sense that the family would cover it up by making it so much worse. Make it look like an accident.

NP. You really can’t talk about what “makes no sense” when you’re dealing with a family like this. They heavily sexualized a preschooler (toddler?!) all for attention for themselves. Very few parents would do that. There’s a lot wrong with them - in the most generous case, they’re very dumb and have extremely poor judgement. FWIW I think it was the brother and the parents covered it up. Or tried to, using their very poor judgement. And I guess it worked because they got away with it. So maybe they’re not as dumb as I thought.

I don’t get the sexualization accusations. She was in little local community pageants. The family was from Atlanta- this was incredibly common in the south.

That’s not a good argument. If everyone else was taking pornographic photos of their kids, would you do it too?? Dressing a girl who is barely out of diapers up in bikini tops and heavy makeup including dark lipstick is inappropriate sexualization by any reasonable person’s definition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Burke did it, by hitting her over the head, why not stage a scene where she fell down the stairs? It makes no sense that the family would cover it up by making it so much worse. Make it look like an accident.

NP. You really can’t talk about what “makes no sense” when you’re dealing with a family like this. They heavily sexualized a preschooler (toddler?!) all for attention for themselves. Very few parents would do that. There’s a lot wrong with them - in the most generous case, they’re very dumb and have extremely poor judgement. FWIW I think it was the brother and the parents covered it up. Or tried to, using their very poor judgement. And I guess it worked because they got away with it. So maybe they’re not as dumb as I thought.

I don’t get the sexualization accusations. She was in little local community pageants. The family was from Atlanta- this was incredibly common in the south.

That’s not a good argument. If everyone else was taking pornographic photos of their kids, would you do it too?? Dressing a girl who is barely out of diapers up in bikini tops and heavy makeup including dark lipstick is inappropriate sexualization by any reasonable person’s definition.

The pics of her in pageant isn’t porn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We'll never know which one did it, but as others have said it was mostly likely Burke. They lost one child, didn't want to lose their other which is understandable. The police knew all this in the beginning.

They wouldn't have lost Burke, he was too young for anything other than intensive therapy. But the shame of it, don't think Patsy in particular could handle that.

They were very much about image. John's PR team worked overtime for years trying to repair it, putting out countless denials. He hoped Burke going on Dr Phil would deflect away from their guilt. It only affirmed it.

I don't think it affirmed it, but it didn't settle anything.

+1 He's awkward and likely on the spectrum. Which also might explain why he showed no emotion at her death. I have a kid on the spectrum and he doesn't do emotional displays either. Although I think the Burke theories are the most plausible, I'm by no means certain based on his demeanor on Dr. Phil, after her death etc.

[Anonymous]

I swear the crime podcast and scam documentary apparatus have fried people’s minds. Everything isn’t some vast conspiracy. It’s obvious to anyone with a brain someone in her family killed that girl.