2024 JonBenet Documentary

[Anonymous]

The documentary said that on the morning after Patsy discovered the ransom note, the police asked for examples of both parents’ handwriting, and John gave them two notepads. On one, they found what looked like the beginning of a draft of the ransom note. If Patsy drafted the note, it doesn’t seem like John knew.

[Anonymous]

I really dislike that the documentary has an agenda, wish they were more value neutral and objective. But two points to me absolve the family: if Patsy wrote the note, presumably under the guidance of John, they would not be stupid enough to include his exact bonus amount that year and second, if Burke did it, they would not send him away to friends where he might blab the truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also the Ramseys didn’t have a plane. More trash that was made up about them.

Whoever posted that super long explanation of the family cover-up is relying on old outdated Reddit threads that have been debunked.

That person keeps posting and doesn’t care that their facts are wrong. The ransom note wasn’t 3 pages. It was weirdly long! But it wasn’t 3 pages.

It was 3 pages - the evidence is public and you can google the image yourself::

[Anonymous]

Who did it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who did it?

The most plausible theory is that Burke whacked her on the back of her head (had hit her before), maybe while she was eating his pineapple. She was dead or half-dead, Burke played doctor with her body. Patty found JB and staged the body to look like an intruder had taken her to the basement, to protect Burke and the family reputation. Then wrote the ransom note and called the police. John may or may not have been involved.

It's the only scenario that makes some kind of sense, not that any of it makes any kind of sense. But there is no evidence of an intruder, and the tiny amount of DNA is probably from the manufacturing of the underwear. So all points to the family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who did it?

The most plausible theory is that Burke whacked her on the back of her head (had hit her before), maybe while she was eating his pineapple. She was dead or half-dead, Burke played doctor with her body. Patty found JB and staged the body to look like an intruder had taken her to the basement, to protect Burke and the family reputation. Then wrote the ransom note and called the police. John may or may not have been involved.

It's the only scenario that makes some kind of sense, not that any of it makes any kind of sense. But there is no evidence of an intruder, and the tiny amount of DNA is probably from the manufacturing of the underwear. So all points to the family.

Also the fact that the ransom note said a call would come at x time and both parents were oblivious when x time came and went.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who did it?

The most plausible theory is that Burke whacked her on the back of her head (had hit her before), maybe while she was eating his pineapple. She was dead or half-dead, Burke played doctor with her body. Patty found JB and staged the body to look like an intruder had taken her to the basement, to protect Burke and the family reputation. Then wrote the ransom note and called the police. John may or may not have been involved.

It's the only scenario that makes some kind of sense, not that any of it makes any kind of sense. But there is no evidence of an intruder, and the tiny amount of DNA is probably from the manufacturing of the underwear. So all points to the family.

Also the fact that the ransom note said a call would come at x time and both parents were oblivious when x time came and went.

That suggests John was involved, or at least knew. No way both parents wouldn't be hyperventilating by the phone if they thought she had been kidnapped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who did it?

The most plausible theory is that Burke whacked her on the back of her head (had hit her before), maybe while she was eating his pineapple. She was dead or half-dead, Burke played doctor with her body. Patty found JB and staged the body to look like an intruder had taken her to the basement, to protect Burke and the family reputation. Then wrote the ransom note and called the police. John may or may not have been involved.

It's the only scenario that makes some kind of sense, not that any of it makes any kind of sense. But there is no evidence of an intruder, and the tiny amount of DNA is probably from the manufacturing of the underwear. So all points to the family.

Also the fact that the ransom note said a call would come at x time and both parents were oblivious when x time came and went.

That suggests John was involved, or at least knew. No way both parents wouldn't be hyperventilating by the phone if they thought she had been kidnapped.

This is crazy to me too. Even if I thought the killer had likely abandoned their ransom scheme, I would be sitting right by that phone and hyper aware of the time just in case

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get the family did it theory.

Why was she tasered?

She was tortured. The garret are whatever is used to torture- she clawed away at it. She was alive during that and the sex abuse. You really think the mom or dad would have tortured her to cover up? That seems implausible.

And why did the police not release dna evidence after they found it in mid January? Why did they have to be sued to let the outside detective, who was highly skilled, present his intruder theory ti the grand jury.

Why didn’t anyone mention the serial rapist who was running around boulder breaking into the houses and hiding out for hours until everyone was asleep and then finding young girls to rape? Just a coincidence or was that patsy ramsey too?

I feel like some of you didn’t watch this documentary.

Someone in the police department was deeply corrupt. I’m wondering if a cop was the serial rapist and needed to cover up.

She wasn’t tasered. The marks on her back matched the tracks of burkes electric train set, which was set up in the basement. He knocked her unconscious with the flashlight after an altercation -likely after luring her down to the basement cellar to look at unopened Christmas presents for their upcoming trip with John’s kids from his first marriage. She was unconscious and when he couldn’t wake her up, poked her and experimented with her with the train tracks, a paintbrush and ultimately strangled her with a garrote, whether intentionally or not. Her bladder let loose this point on the carpet outside the cellar. Literally everything from the violent part of the attack was from materials in the kitchen and basement.

Patsy never went to sleep that night, was up late packing or whatnot, discovered the scene. She let out a blood curdling scream which a neighbor reported hearing. She found JB strangled to death - did not know she’d been knocked unconscious first with a fatal brain injury - and staged an abduction with duct tape over her mouth (that patsy’s sweater fibers were found on, and was undisturbed, proving it had been applied after jonbenet was already deceased.) she also used the same string as the garrote to loosely tie jonbenets wrists. She wiped down her legs and put new unopened underwear on her (”days of the week” underwear she had purchased from bloomingdales for an older niece.) wrapped her in a blanket that the housekeeper had left in the dryer, in fact, so recently removed that a nightgown was stuck to it with static.

She then wrote a three page ransom note with materials from the kitchen. Neighbors reported seeing dim lights on in the kitchen around 3am. John, who had taken a sleeping pill the night before expecting to fly their plane to Michigan, woke up to a scene of a staged ransom note and patsy calling 911. patsy called a bunch of friends over and got Burke out of the house, which is NOT what normal parents would do after their other child had been abducted. He knew something was off but did not figure out the full extent of things until the time for a ransom call came and went, and he disappears for an hour to the basement where he discovered jonbenet. He completed some elements of staging. Patsy was still wearing the same clothes and makeup as the night prior, indicating that she never slept.

The sole suitcase found in the basement was probably there to try to remove her from the house, but rigor mortis had set in by that point.

A few hours later, in searching the house again, John made a beeline for the cellar where they discovered jonbenet. that evening, John tried to get the family out of state to Atlanta, which the police informed them they could not do.

Burke never showed concern for his missing sister or for his own safety. And he indicated to police before autopsy results were available that he knew how JB died - that a “a bad guy” had hit her over the head.

Burke had a history of psychological behaviors - including police finding his fecal matter in jonbenets room and on a box of chocolates she’d received for Christmas - and had attempted to hit her in the head with a golf club the summer prior. He was troubled and likely not being adequately treated.

A horrible case but most likely scenario of what happened.

There's zero doubt one of the three did it, but yes likely Burke.

[Anonymous]

The taser is really puzzling and there is no doubt that it is a taser. If the police did the same thing that Detective Lou Smith did and showed samples of the taser on pig skin versus the train track on pig skin, they need to present that information. Because I have seen those kinds of train tracks and they would not leave the marks that were on her head and neck. The marks perfectly match the combination of a rectangle and a circle that is a taser, not the more precise shapes that a train track would make.

I just don’t see why anyone in the family would taser the child.

The other thing that irritates me is how much misinformation is floating around and taken as gospel. I did not know until the documentary that John never had a private plane. If you search John’s private plane on Google, you will find tons of Reddit threads going really deep into the private plane. The investigative reporter admitted that he got a tip from the police that John had a private plane, did not confirm with a second source which he usually does, published it, and admitted he was wrong and it felt bad for it.

John Ramsey ran a $1 billion company, which means he’s a success and does well but it’s not private plane money. His estimated net worth of the time was about $6 million, which is probably about 9 million today. Not private plane money. People with private planes don’t get $118,000 bonuses lol. My husband‘s bonus is a lot more than that and trust me we don’t have a plane. So it’s just baffling to me that there are all these details out there other people accept as real that are just didn’t happen.

Someone upthread said that the kids were in the train room to look for presents from John’s older kids. But that doesn’t pass either. It was December 25, most people open presents in the morning, not at the end of the night. And why would the presents not be under the tree at this point, and if they were flying to John’s kids family then next morning why wouldn’t they just open presents with the family. It doesn’t make sense.

The other puzzling thing is why the family is so adamant that the police reopen the case and further test the DNA. John Ramsey is spending the end of his life pushing for this as is his oldest son. If the family did it, why would they be doing this? The Boulder police seem content to let this lie. I just don’t know why you would want to ruffle feathers if someone in your family did it.

Finally, the last thing that bothered me is, I thought John Karr had an alibi, but I can’t find one online. I thought he was ruled out because of an alibi but it seems like he was ruled out because the DNA didn’t match. But the DNA matches no one, and if they’re now open to the premise that the DNA is not enough to rule anyone out, why are they ruling him out? The fact that the housekeeper had seen him in the family. garage years prior is really spooky. He seemed to be stalking the family and he seemed to know intimate details about how she was killed and even the nickname of her grandmother, which had never been publicly made available. It seems like he’s the most plausible person, but I’m not sure if he has an airtight alibi or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get the family did it theory.

Why was she tasered?

She was tortured. The garret are whatever is used to torture- she clawed away at it. She was alive during that and the sex abuse. You really think the mom or dad would have tortured her to cover up? That seems implausible.

And why did the police not release dna evidence after they found it in mid January? Why did they have to be sued to let the outside detective, who was highly skilled, present his intruder theory ti the grand jury.

Why didn’t anyone mention the serial rapist who was running around boulder breaking into the houses and hiding out for hours until everyone was asleep and then finding young girls to rape? Just a coincidence or was that patsy ramsey too?

I feel like some of you didn’t watch this documentary.

Someone in the police department was deeply corrupt. I’m wondering if a cop was the serial rapist and needed to cover up.

She wasn’t tasered. The marks on her back matched the tracks of burkes electric train set, which was set up in the basement. He knocked her unconscious with the flashlight after an altercation -likely after luring her down to the basement cellar to look at unopened Christmas presents for their upcoming trip with John’s kids from his first marriage. She was unconscious and when he couldn’t wake her up, poked her and experimented with her with the train tracks, a paintbrush and ultimately strangled her with a garrote, whether intentionally or not. Her bladder let loose this point on the carpet outside the cellar. Literally everything from the violent part of the attack was from materials in the kitchen and basement.

Patsy never went to sleep that night, was up late packing or whatnot, discovered the scene. She let out a blood curdling scream which a neighbor reported hearing. She found JB strangled to death - did not know she’d been knocked unconscious first with a fatal brain injury - and staged an abduction with duct tape over her mouth (that patsy’s sweater fibers were found on, and was undisturbed, proving it had been applied after jonbenet was already deceased.) she also used the same string as the garrote to loosely tie jonbenets wrists. She wiped down her legs and put new unopened underwear on her (”days of the week” underwear she had purchased from bloomingdales for an older niece.) wrapped her in a blanket that the housekeeper had left in the dryer, in fact, so recently removed that a nightgown was stuck to it with static.

She then wrote a three page ransom note with materials from the kitchen. Neighbors reported seeing dim lights on in the kitchen around 3am. John, who had taken a sleeping pill the night before expecting to fly their plane to Michigan, woke up to a scene of a staged ransom note and patsy calling 911. patsy called a bunch of friends over and got Burke out of the house, which is NOT what normal parents would do after their other child had been abducted. He knew something was off but did not figure out the full extent of things until the time for a ransom call came and went, and he disappears for an hour to the basement where he discovered jonbenet. He completed some elements of staging. Patsy was still wearing the same clothes and makeup as the night prior, indicating that she never slept.

The sole suitcase found in the basement was probably there to try to remove her from the house, but rigor mortis had set in by that point.

A few hours later, in searching the house again, John made a beeline for the cellar where they discovered jonbenet. that evening, John tried to get the family out of state to Atlanta, which the police informed them they could not do.

Burke never showed concern for his missing sister or for his own safety. And he indicated to police before autopsy results were available that he knew how JB died - that a “a bad guy” had hit her over the head.

Burke had a history of psychological behaviors - including police finding his fecal matter in jonbenets room and on a box of chocolates she’d received for Christmas - and had attempted to hit her in the head with a golf club the summer prior. He was troubled and likely not being adequately treated.

A horrible case but most likely scenario of what happened.

There's zero doubt one of the three did it, but yes likely Burke.

And yet not enough evidence for something with zero doubt. This is why the case will never be solved. Stubborn insistence and ignoring all the conflicting evidence.

[Anonymous]

I mean, anyone could guess that nickname for the grandmother.

I think it’s not Burke because the parents would never have let the police interview Burke alone if he were the murderer. The documentary had several clips of Burke in interviews without his parents. They would have insisted on being present (which they have a right to do).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also the Ramseys didn’t have a plane. More trash that was made up about them.

Whoever posted that super long explanation of the family cover-up is relying on old outdated Reddit threads that have been debunked.

That person keeps posting and doesn’t care that their facts are wrong. The ransom note wasn’t 3 pages. It was weirdly long! But it wasn’t 3 pages.

It was 3 pages - the evidence is public and you can google the image yourself::

Not only was it long, but apparent Patsy wrote it. Even if one isn't a hand writing analysis it's clearly her using some of her own expressions. That alone was enough to know one of them did it.

[Anonymous]

We'll never know which one did it, but as others have said it was mostly likely Burke. They lost one child, didn't want to lose their other which is understandable. The police knew all this in the beginning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We'll never know which one did it, but as others have said it was mostly likely Burke. They lost one child, didn't want to lose their other which is understandable. The police knew all this in the beginning.

They wouldn't have lost Burke, he was too young for anything other than intensive therapy. But the shame of it, don't think Patsy in particular could handle that.