I hate Trump, but I get why a huge part of middle America loves him

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. First, I’m not voting for Trump or donating to his campaign because Jan. 6th was an attempted coup and I cannot support the party attempting to overthrow democracy.

But OP, I get it and I agree with you generally. What is particularly disgusting to me is the gaslighting we get from the Democrats. It’s as if they think people are stupid.

No, crime isn’t down. We all live it. Just because you instruct police not to report crimes doesn’t mean it’s down in reality. I know more people who have experienced crime in the past four years than the previous twenty combined.

No, immigration isn’t a non-issue. We can all see the sharp increase in homelessness under Biden over the past four years. My previously safe neighborhood now has serious problems with homelessness. And these are folks who are out of their minds on drugs, victimized by a raging drug trafficking organization.

No, I’m not going to pretend that sex-based differences do not exist and that hard fought safe spaces that women have literally died to earn should be sacrificed to appease the religious beliefs of natal males. Female bodies have been literally killed — are still disproportionately killed — and yet you want to pretend all of that history has disappeared because some privileged males want to destroy sex-based rights? GTFO.

Stop the gaslighting, Democrats. It’s ridiculous.

Typical low IQ MAGA take.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. First, I’m not voting for Trump or donating to his campaign because Jan. 6th was an attempted coup and I cannot support the party attempting to overthrow democracy.

But OP, I get it and I agree with you generally. What is particularly disgusting to me is the gaslighting we get from the Democrats. It’s as if they think people are stupid.

No, crime isn’t down. We all live it. Just because you instruct police not to report crimes doesn’t mean it’s down in reality. I know more people who have experienced crime in the past four years than the previous twenty combined.

No, immigration isn’t a non-issue. We can all see the sharp increase in homelessness under Biden over the past four years. My previously safe neighborhood now has serious problems with homelessness. And these are folks who are out of their minds on drugs, victimized by a raging drug trafficking organization.

No, I’m not going to pretend that sex-based differences do not exist and that hard fought safe spaces that women have literally died to earn should be sacrificed to appease the religious beliefs of natal males. Female bodies have been literally killed — are still disproportionately killed — and yet you want to pretend all of that history has disappeared because some privileged males want to destroy sex-based rights? GTFO.

Stop the gaslighting, Democrats. It’s ridiculous.

Typical low IQ MAGA take.

Typical dim gaslighting from progressives with no ability to substantively address issues.

You are why Trump will win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. First, I’m not voting for Trump or donating to his campaign because Jan. 6th was an attempted coup and I cannot support the party attempting to overthrow democracy.

But OP, I get it and I agree with you generally. What is particularly disgusting to me is the gaslighting we get from the Democrats. It’s as if they think people are stupid.

No, crime isn’t down. We all live it. Just because you instruct police not to report crimes doesn’t mean it’s down in reality. I know more people who have experienced crime in the past four years than the previous twenty combined.

No, immigration isn’t a non-issue. We can all see the sharp increase in homelessness under Biden over the past four years. My previously safe neighborhood now has serious problems with homelessness. And these are folks who are out of their minds on drugs, victimized by a raging drug trafficking organization.

No, I’m not going to pretend that sex-based differences do not exist and that hard fought safe spaces that women have literally died to earn should be sacrificed to appease the religious beliefs of natal males. Female bodies have been literally killed — are still disproportionately killed — and yet you want to pretend all of that history has disappeared because some privileged males want to destroy sex-based rights? GTFO.

Stop the gaslighting, Democrats. It’s ridiculous.

Typical low IQ MAGA take.

Typical dim gaslighting from progressives with no ability to substantively address issues.

You are why Trump will win.

Shut it. You’re not fighting “progressives.” You’re fighting party-line Democrats who themselves hate the progressive wing of the party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. First, I’m not voting for Trump or donating to his campaign because Jan. 6th was an attempted coup and I cannot support the party attempting to overthrow democracy.

But OP, I get it and I agree with you generally. What is particularly disgusting to me is the gaslighting we get from the Democrats. It’s as if they think people are stupid.

No, crime isn’t down. We all live it. Just because you instruct police not to report crimes doesn’t mean it’s down in reality. I know more people who have experienced crime in the past four years than the previous twenty combined.

No, immigration isn’t a non-issue. We can all see the sharp increase in homelessness under Biden over the past four years. My previously safe neighborhood now has serious problems with homelessness. And these are folks who are out of their minds on drugs, victimized by a raging drug trafficking organization.

No, I’m not going to pretend that sex-based differences do not exist and that hard fought safe spaces that women have literally died to earn should be sacrificed to appease the religious beliefs of natal males. Female bodies have been literally killed — are still disproportionately killed — and yet you want to pretend all of that history has disappeared because some privileged males want to destroy sex-based rights? GTFO.

Stop the gaslighting, Democrats. It’s ridiculous.

Typical low IQ MAGA take.

Typical dim gaslighting from progressives with no ability to substantively address issues.

You are why Trump will win.

Shut it. You’re not fighting “progressives.” You’re fighting party-line Democrats who themselves hate the progressive wing of the party.

It doesn’t matter. The refusal to deal with what people across the country are experiencing and living (and instead gaslighting them) is going to cost Democrats the election.

Democrats depend on voter turnout to win. That happens when people feel heard and feel like their reality is at least seen. The Democrats aren’t doing that now and instead going all out with gaslighting. It’s a failing strategy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. First, I’m not voting for Trump or donating to his campaign because Jan. 6th was an attempted coup and I cannot support the party attempting to overthrow democracy.

But OP, I get it and I agree with you generally. What is particularly disgusting to me is the gaslighting we get from the Democrats. It’s as if they think people are stupid.

No, crime isn’t down. We all live it. Just because you instruct police not to report crimes doesn’t mean it’s down in reality. I know more people who have experienced crime in the past four years than the previous twenty combined.

No, immigration isn’t a non-issue. We can all see the sharp increase in homelessness under Biden over the past four years. My previously safe neighborhood now has serious problems with homelessness. And these are folks who are out of their minds on drugs, victimized by a raging drug trafficking organization.

No, I’m not going to pretend that sex-based differences do not exist and that hard fought safe spaces that women have literally died to earn should be sacrificed to appease the religious beliefs of natal males. Female bodies have been literally killed — are still disproportionately killed — and yet you want to pretend all of that history has disappeared because some privileged males want to destroy sex-based rights? GTFO.

Stop the gaslighting, Democrats. It’s ridiculous.

Crime is down nationally, although certainly not in DC. Crime per capita is worse in red areas than blue areas. Why aren't red politicians held accountable?

No one has said immigration is a non-issue. The GOP has had several chances to help get legislation passed to address it and won't. That isn't Biden fault.

Trans are not about privileged males wanting to destroy sex-based rights. That is a hell of a take.

So leaning into the gaslighting, I see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. First, I’m not voting for Trump or donating to his campaign because Jan. 6th was an attempted coup and I cannot support the party attempting to overthrow democracy.

But OP, I get it and I agree with you generally. What is particularly disgusting to me is the gaslighting we get from the Democrats. It’s as if they think people are stupid.

No, crime isn’t down. We all live it. Just because you instruct police not to report crimes doesn’t mean it’s down in reality. I know more people who have experienced crime in the past four years than the previous twenty combined.

No, immigration isn’t a non-issue. We can all see the sharp increase in homelessness under Biden over the past four years. My previously safe neighborhood now has serious problems with homelessness. And these are folks who are out of their minds on drugs, victimized by a raging drug trafficking organization.

No, I’m not going to pretend that sex-based differences do not exist and that hard fought safe spaces that women have literally died to earn should be sacrificed to appease the religious beliefs of natal males. Female bodies have been literally killed — are still disproportionately killed — and yet you want to pretend all of that history has disappeared because some privileged males want to destroy sex-based rights? GTFO.

Stop the gaslighting, Democrats. It’s ridiculous.

Congrats, you have digested Fox News talking points and made them your own. Well done! They reported, but it really was you who decided, wasn’t it? So smart.

It’s always clear when a looney lefty has no real answer. They just scream and yell Fox or Maga or both. It’s as if they think that is a persuasive argument.

They think “making America great again” is derogatory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm reading this book right now When McKinsey Comes to Town. McKinsey's consultants, largely made up on uber elitists from ivy league schools who live on the coasts, have for years been the architects of wealth inequality. McKinsey consultants were the ones who came up with idea that CEOs needed to make 300x the average worker. It was McKinsey consultants who constantly pushed the idea of off shoring and downsizing that have gutted manufacturing and many middle class jobs. McKinsey consultants are also the ones who also worked for the FDA while simultaneously consulting for Purdue to supercharge sales of opioids. And who paid the price and had their families and lives ruined? All of the poor in those areas the disgusting elitists call flyover country. In another example, McKisney also consulted for the Chinese CCP on artificial island building in the South China Sea while working for the US department of defense. And who'll be sent into the meat grinder when there's a conflict in the SCS? All of the poor people and their kids. There are just so many examples in the book - it's so disturbing.

And people wonder why huge swaths of America hate the liberal costal elitists. I mean just look how many McKinsey almuni infect our govt like virus (Pete Buttgeig, Lael Brainard, etc.). Trump has appeal because he isn't from the same swamp producing and employing the likes of McKinsey consultsnts that have been ruining the country for the last 50 years and creating massive wealth inequality. It's largely the elite college educated, urban Democrats who choose to go work for companies like McKinsey, Wall St. etc. that have been gutting their jobs and destroying the livelihood of the middle class.

You mean, the same McKinsey that Trump has hired on many occasions? I mean...no...it can't be.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/03/us/mckinsey-ICE-immigration.html
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-world-health-organization-china-kushner-mckinsey-coronavirus-task-force-984437/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-hires-mckinsey-to-evaluate-student-loan-portfolio-11556728035

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. First, I’m not voting for Trump or donating to his campaign because Jan. 6th was an attempted coup and I cannot support the party attempting to overthrow democracy.

But OP, I get it and I agree with you generally. What is particularly disgusting to me is the gaslighting we get from the Democrats. It’s as if they think people are stupid.

No, crime isn’t down. We all live it. Just because you instruct police not to report crimes doesn’t mean it’s down in reality. I know more people who have experienced crime in the past four years than the previous twenty combined.

No, immigration isn’t a non-issue. We can all see the sharp increase in homelessness under Biden over the past four years. My previously safe neighborhood now has serious problems with homelessness. And these are folks who are out of their minds on drugs, victimized by a raging drug trafficking organization.

No, I’m not going to pretend that sex-based differences do not exist and that hard fought safe spaces that women have literally died to earn should be sacrificed to appease the religious beliefs of natal males. Female bodies have been literally killed — are still disproportionately killed — and yet you want to pretend all of that history has disappeared because some privileged males want to destroy sex-based rights? GTFO.

Stop the gaslighting, Democrats. It’s ridiculous.

Congrats, you have digested Fox News talking points and made them your own. Well done! They reported, but it really was you who decided, wasn’t it? So smart.

It’s always clear when a looney lefty has no real answer. They just scream and yell Fox or Maga or both. It’s as if they think that is a persuasive argument.

They think “making America great again” is derogatory.

Well, it is a conundrum...apparently, America sucked until 2016...then I guess it was great from 2016-2020...then it sucked from 2020-present (my stock portfolio says differently...but who cares). I mean, even if Trump wins, America will only be great from 2024-2028 and then it will suck again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm reading this book right now When McKinsey Comes to Town. McKinsey's consultants, largely made up on uber elitists from ivy league schools who live on the coasts, have for years been the architects of wealth inequality. McKinsey consultants were the ones who came up with idea that CEOs needed to make 300x the average worker. It was McKinsey consultants who constantly pushed the idea of off shoring and downsizing that have gutted manufacturing and many middle class jobs. McKinsey consultants are also the ones who also worked for the FDA while simultaneously consulting for Purdue to supercharge sales of opioids. And who paid the price and had their families and lives ruined? All of the poor in those areas the disgusting elitists call flyover country. In another example, McKisney also consulted for the Chinese CCP on artificial island building in the South China Sea while working for the US department of defense. And who'll be sent into the meat grinder when there's a conflict in the SCS? All of the poor people and their kids. There are just so many examples in the book - it's so disturbing.

And people wonder why huge swaths of America hate the liberal costal elitists. I mean just look how many McKinsey almuni infect our govt like virus (Pete Buttgeig, Lael Brainard, etc.). Trump has appeal because he isn't from the same swamp producing and employing the likes of McKinsey consultsnts that have been ruining the country for the last 50 years and creating massive wealth inequality. It's largely the elite college educated, urban Democrats who choose to go work for companies like McKinsey, Wall St. etc. that have been gutting their jobs and destroying the livelihood of the middle class.

You mean, the same McKinsey that Trump has hired on many occasions? I mean...no...it can't be.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/03/us/mckinsey-ICE-immigration.html
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-world-health-organization-china-kushner-mckinsey-coronavirus-task-force-984437/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-hires-mckinsey-to-evaluate-student-loan-portfolio-11556728035

Oh please...try looking up how many McKinsey consultants Biden, Obama all the way down to Clinton have had in advising their cabinets or their alumni from McKinsey they've appointed to govt positions.

It's really not hard to understand - THE ENTIRE SWAMP is corrupted from top to bottom with corporate interests, lobbyists for those corporate interests, and consultants playing the US govt like a fiddle for those corporate interests. It's entirely laughable you think it is GOP only when the lobbyists and consulting firms destroying the foundations of our country are liberal elite university trained and educated.

You're basically insinuating that Yale, Princeton, Harvard, etc..only produce Republicans who go work for terrible firms like McKinsey. That's absolutely false. Who was in office again during peak of the opioid epidemic? That's right, Obama was. And his govt was filled with McKinsey people pulling the string behind the scenes getting Americans addicted to opioids.

And you wonder why Americans are so pissed at the govt when the entire system has been corrupted by regulatory and special interest capture? Whether you like it or not, Trump is able to tap into that anger. People in the middle of the country earning $12 per hour who were laid off because some Harvard University grad working for a consulting firm came up with the brilliant plan for cost cutting to earn fees for their firm identify with Trump who says he will torch the swamp more so than Dems who offer more of the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm reading this book right now When McKinsey Comes to Town. McKinsey's consultants, largely made up on uber elitists from ivy league schools who live on the coasts, have for years been the architects of wealth inequality. McKinsey consultants were the ones who came up with idea that CEOs needed to make 300x the average worker. It was McKinsey consultants who constantly pushed the idea of off shoring and downsizing that have gutted manufacturing and many middle class jobs. McKinsey consultants are also the ones who also worked for the FDA while simultaneously consulting for Purdue to supercharge sales of opioids. And who paid the price and had their families and lives ruined? All of the poor in those areas the disgusting elitists call flyover country. In another example, McKisney also consulted for the Chinese CCP on artificial island building in the South China Sea while working for the US department of defense. And who'll be sent into the meat grinder when there's a conflict in the SCS? All of the poor people and their kids. There are just so many examples in the book - it's so disturbing.

And people wonder why huge swaths of America hate the liberal costal elitists. I mean just look how many McKinsey almuni infect our govt like virus (Pete Buttgeig, Lael Brainard, etc.). Trump has appeal because he isn't from the same swamp producing and employing the likes of McKinsey consultsnts that have been ruining the country for the last 50 years and creating massive wealth inequality. It's largely the elite college educated, urban Democrats who choose to go work for companies like McKinsey, Wall St. etc. that have been gutting their jobs and destroying the livelihood of the middle class.

You mean, the same McKinsey that Trump has hired on many occasions? I mean...no...it can't be.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/03/us/mckinsey-ICE-immigration.html
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-world-health-organization-china-kushner-mckinsey-coronavirus-task-force-984437/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-hires-mckinsey-to-evaluate-student-loan-portfolio-11556728035

Oh please...try looking up how many McKinsey consultants Biden, Obama all the way down to Clinton have had in advising their cabinets or their alumni from McKinsey they've appointed to govt positions.

It's really not hard to understand - THE ENTIRE SWAMP is corrupted from top to bottom with corporate interests, lobbyists for those corporate interests, and consultants playing the US govt like a fiddle for those corporate interests. It's entirely laughable you think it is GOP only when the lobbyists and consulting firms destroying the foundations of our country are liberal elite university trained and educated.

You're basically insinuating that Yale, Princeton, Harvard, etc..only produce Republicans who go work for terrible firms like McKinsey. That's absolutely false. Who was in office again during peak of the opioid epidemic? That's right, Obama was. And his govt was filled with McKinsey people pulling the string behind the scenes getting Americans addicted to opioids.

And you wonder why Americans are so pissed at the govt when the entire system has been corrupted by regulatory and special interest capture? Whether you like it or not, Trump is able to tap into that anger. People in the middle of the country earning $12 per hour who were laid off because some Harvard University grad working for a consulting firm came up with the brilliant plan for cost cutting to earn fees for their firm identify with Trump who says he will torch the swamp more so than Dems who offer more of the same.

Hey, PP said Trump supporters hate the elites that work at McKinsey and Trump is out to correct that. Just pointing out that Trump uses McKinsey all the time.

I mean, how can you write your screed and defend Trump when Trump hires McKinsey on many occasions and will continue to do so.

[Anonymous]

The billionaire backers who are the money behind the bread n' circus of the Fox/Trump resentment machine are not any different from the "McKinsey-ites" being dissed above. That's what Trump voters don't get. That Trump is absolutely no different (and honestly a lot worse). And I don't get the connection made by the PP above re immigration and widespread homelessness/drug addiction. I live downtown and the drug addicted homeless and mentally ill are not, by and large, recent immigrants. Recent immigrants are mowing the lawns, washing the dishes, cleaning the office buildings and every other low paying wage job that people born in this country will not do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. First, I’m not voting for Trump or donating to his campaign because Jan. 6th was an attempted coup and I cannot support the party attempting to overthrow democracy.

But OP, I get it and I agree with you generally. What is particularly disgusting to me is the gaslighting we get from the Democrats. It’s as if they think people are stupid.

No, crime isn’t down. We all live it. Just because you instruct police not to report crimes doesn’t mean it’s down in reality. I know more people who have experienced crime in the past four years than the previous twenty combined.

No, immigration isn’t a non-issue. We can all see the sharp increase in homelessness under Biden over the past four years. My previously safe neighborhood now has serious problems with homelessness. And these are folks who are out of their minds on drugs, victimized by a raging drug trafficking organization.

No, I’m not going to pretend that sex-based differences do not exist and that hard fought safe spaces that women have literally died to earn should be sacrificed to appease the religious beliefs of natal males. Female bodies have been literally killed — are still disproportionately killed — and yet you want to pretend all of that history has disappeared because some privileged males want to destroy sex-based rights? GTFO.

Stop the gaslighting, Democrats. It’s ridiculous.

Typical low IQ MAGA take.

Typical dim gaslighting from progressives with no ability to substantively address issues.

You are why Trump will win.

Shut it. You’re not fighting “progressives.” You’re fighting party-line Democrats who themselves hate the progressive wing of the party.

It doesn’t matter. The refusal to deal with what people across the country are experiencing and living (and instead gaslighting them) is going to cost Democrats the election.

Democrats depend on voter turnout to win. That happens when people feel heard and feel like their reality is at least seen. The Democrats aren’t doing that now and instead going all out with gaslighting. It’s a failing strategy.

What is Trump doing to deal with what I am experiencing and living? All I hear from him are petty insults and complaining about how the world is unfair to him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. First, I’m not voting for Trump or donating to his campaign because Jan. 6th was an attempted coup and I cannot support the party attempting to overthrow democracy.

But OP, I get it and I agree with you generally. What is particularly disgusting to me is the gaslighting we get from the Democrats. It’s as if they think people are stupid.

No, crime isn’t down. We all live it. Just because you instruct police not to report crimes doesn’t mean it’s down in reality. I know more people who have experienced crime in the past four years than the previous twenty combined.

No, immigration isn’t a non-issue. We can all see the sharp increase in homelessness under Biden over the past four years. My previously safe neighborhood now has serious problems with homelessness. And these are folks who are out of their minds on drugs, victimized by a raging drug trafficking organization.

No, I’m not going to pretend that sex-based differences do not exist and that hard fought safe spaces that women have literally died to earn should be sacrificed to appease the religious beliefs of natal males. Female bodies have been literally killed — are still disproportionately killed — and yet you want to pretend all of that history has disappeared because some privileged males want to destroy sex-based rights? GTFO.

Stop the gaslighting, Democrats. It’s ridiculous.

Typical low IQ MAGA take.

Typical dim gaslighting from progressives with no ability to substantively address issues.

You are why Trump will win.

Shut it. You’re not fighting “progressives.” You’re fighting party-line Democrats who themselves hate the progressive wing of the party.

Progressive here.

They really, really do. Then they get super upset when we’re not jazzed about their candidate.

[Anonymous]

People are so simple and so gullible. This guy has been this same selfish bigoted corrupt idiot for a full decade. How can anyone listen to him for a minute and believe “He is the only one who really cares about me!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People are so simple and so gullible. This guy has been this same selfish bigoted corrupt idiot for a full decade. How can anyone listen to him for a minute and believe “He is the only one who really cares about me!”

They don’t believe he cares for them. They believe nobody cares for them, and Trump validates that feeling. He tells them that yes, they are correct, nobody actually cares about you or your issues. I think this group of voters has given up entirely on any politicians trying to actually care about them, so they vote for the one who at least makes them feel heard.