Notre Dame or Georgetown

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. I agree that CDS is best source for comparing racial makeup.

I went ahead and did my own analysis, excluding and including nonresidents. Nonresidents, as we know, is a mix of races. And GU has a large proportion of nonresidents. Excluding this category gives you more of an apples to apples analysis. The key differences when excluding nonresidents are that the % of whites narrows and the % of Asians widens.

Regardless of this, the glaring thing here is that the % of Hispanics at GU is abysmal compared to ND. I am not surprised at the low % of Asians at ND mainly because of its high Catholic population. There really aren't many Catholic Asians. GU really needs to work on making admissions easier for Hispanic population. For a Catholic school, this is unacceptable.



Sources: https://www3.nd.edu/~instres/CDS/2022-2023/CDS_2022-2023.pdf
https://georgetown.app.box.com/s/v9kfgo65p6hy1o3pxc3v2ddsvwxcwksv

They are both private schools. What is a "non-resident?"

I'm not sure, but I'm guessing maybe those are students who are at extension programs, i.e. year abroad, work study internships, etc. Off campus folks maybe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. I agree that CDS is best source for comparing racial makeup.

I went ahead and did my own analysis, excluding and including nonresidents. Nonresidents, as we know, is a mix of races. And GU has a large proportion of nonresidents. Excluding this category gives you more of an apples to apples analysis. The key differences when excluding nonresidents are that the % of whites narrows and the % of Asians widens.

Regardless of this, the glaring thing here is that the % of Hispanics at GU is abysmal compared to ND. I am not surprised at the low % of Asians at ND mainly because of its high Catholic population. There really aren't many Catholic Asians. GU really needs to work on making admissions easier for Hispanic population. For a Catholic school, this is unacceptable.



Sources: https://www3.nd.edu/~instres/CDS/2022-2023/CDS_2022-2023.pdf
https://georgetown.app.box.com/s/v9kfgo65p6hy1o3pxc3v2ddsvwxcwksv

They are both private schools. What is a "non-resident?"

I suspect that would be international students.

[Anonymous]

BOTH Georgetown and Boston college are a better 'return on investment'. They are both in the top 25 and even ahead of some Ivies.

Georgetown is 9 or 13 overall. ND isn't listed--not in the top 25 at least. No idea where it falls. Georgetown consistently makes every list. What do you go to college for after all?

https://www.businessinsider.com/colleges-pay-best-for-their-cost-return-on-investment-roi-2023-4#3-massachusetts-college-of-pharmacy-and-health-sciences-29

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/paying-for-college/slideshows/national-universities-liberal-arts-colleges-with-the-best-roi?slide=22

Colleges that pay off in the long term
National Universities with the best return on investment:

California Institute of Technology
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
University of Pennsylvania
Stanford University
Princeton University
Carnegie Mellon University
Stevens Institute of Technology
Georgetown University
Lehigh University
Duke University
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Georgia Institute of Technology
Columbia University
Santa Clara University
Boston College
Colorado School of Mines
Yale University
Dartmouth College

[Anonymous]

Payscale is better at that. The two schools are indistinguishable on salary.

https://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/bachelors

[Anonymous]

ROI stats uses "average COA" which is meaningless to DCUM crowd. just look at salaries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BOTH Georgetown and Boston college are a better 'return on investment'. They are both in the top 25 and even ahead of some Ivies.

Georgetown is 9 or 13 overall. ND isn't listed--not in the top 25 at least. No idea where it falls. Georgetown consistently makes every list. What do you go to college for after all?

https://www.businessinsider.com/colleges-pay-best-for-their-cost-return-on-investment-roi-2023-4#3-massachusetts-college-of-pharmacy-and-health-sciences-29

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/paying-for-college/slideshows/national-universities-liberal-arts-colleges-with-the-best-roi?slide=22

Colleges that pay off in the long term
National Universities with the best return on investment:

California Institute of Technology
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
University of Pennsylvania
Stanford University
Princeton University
Carnegie Mellon University
Stevens Institute of Technology
Georgetown University
Lehigh University
Duke University
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Georgia Institute of Technology
Columbia University
Santa Clara University
Boston College
Colorado School of Mines
Yale University
Dartmouth College

Payscale has BC listed in the 113, ND at 66, and GU at 44. https://www.payscale.com/college-roi But, honestly, the only list that matters is the USNWR overall listing because you should never look at one element in a vacuum. ND's ROI is just fine thank you!! ND is consistently in the top 20 USNWR, whereas GU and BC never break the top 20. That to me says enough!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BOTH Georgetown and Boston college are a better 'return on investment'. They are both in the top 25 and even ahead of some Ivies.

Georgetown is 9 or 13 overall. ND isn't listed--not in the top 25 at least. No idea where it falls. Georgetown consistently makes every list. What do you go to college for after all?

https://www.businessinsider.com/colleges-pay-best-for-their-cost-return-on-investment-roi-2023-4#3-massachusetts-college-of-pharmacy-and-health-sciences-29

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/paying-for-college/slideshows/national-universities-liberal-arts-colleges-with-the-best-roi?slide=22

Colleges that pay off in the long term
National Universities with the best return on investment:

California Institute of Technology
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
University of Pennsylvania
Stanford University
Princeton University
Carnegie Mellon University
Stevens Institute of Technology
Georgetown University
Lehigh University
Duke University
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Georgia Institute of Technology
Columbia University
Santa Clara University
Boston College
Colorado School of Mines
Yale University
Dartmouth College

Payscale has BC listed in the 113, ND at 66, and GU at 44. https://www.payscale.com/college-roi But, honestly, the only list that matters is the USNWR overall listing because you should never look at one element in a vacuum. ND's ROI is just fine thank you!! ND is consistently in the top 20 USNWR, whereas GU and BC never break the top 20. That to me says enough!

Yes, we all know that BC stands for "backup college."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. I agree that CDS is best source for comparing racial makeup.

I went ahead and did my own analysis, excluding and including nonresidents. Nonresidents, as we know, is a mix of races. And GU has a large proportion of nonresidents. Excluding this category gives you more of an apples to apples analysis. The key differences when excluding nonresidents are that the % of whites narrows and the % of Asians widens.

Regardless of this, the glaring thing here is that the % of Hispanics at GU is abysmal compared to ND. I am not surprised at the low % of Asians at ND mainly because of its high Catholic population. There really aren't many Catholic Asians. GU really needs to work on making admissions easier for Hispanic population. For a Catholic school, this is unacceptable.



Sources: https://www3.nd.edu/~instres/CDS/2022-2023/CDS_2022-2023.pdf
https://georgetown.app.box.com/s/v9kfgo65p6hy1o3pxc3v2ddsvwxcwksv

They are both private schools. What is a "non-resident?"

I'm not sure, but I'm guessing maybe those are students who are at extension programs, i.e. year abroad, work study internships, etc. Off campus folks maybe.

It means international.

I once read that anything over 10% international is a red flag, that you can feel that on campus (ie kids are siloed, don't mix, live together off campus, etc). I think you can def feel that at Georgetown.

[Anonymous]

We have the better official source

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?131496-Georgetown-University

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?152080-University-of-Notre-Dame

Georgetown is of course impressive but no significant difference between the two schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I applied to both these schools back in the day when we didn't research as much (along with Catholic University)! Got rejected from Georgetown (I was very surprised haha), got into ND, and went to my state schools honors college on a full ride.

We know a few kids that got into an Ivy and rejected from Georgetown. Quite a few of friends at UVA that were rejected from GU.

GU is a very hard admit, especially around here. I think our public HS had only 1 admit last year.

You have to remember- USNWR cites an 11% acceptance rate, but GU is not on common app, it REQUIRES standardized testing and every sitting, there are 4 essays, an interview is required and they like to see AP exam scores. SO--that is why they don't drive up application numbers to get a falsely lower admit rate.

It's likely more like a 7% admit rate.

requiring tests makes their median a lot lower than top 20 schools. My kid's score was 1520 and felt confident sending that score to Georgetown. Not so much other colleges.

[Anonymous]

I don't think ND grads would go out of their way trying to convince others than their school is better than your school. Secure in their choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I applied to both these schools back in the day when we didn't research as much (along with Catholic University)! Got rejected from Georgetown (I was very surprised haha), got into ND, and went to my state schools honors college on a full ride.

We know a few kids that got into an Ivy and rejected from Georgetown. Quite a few of friends at UVA that were rejected from GU.

GU is a very hard admit, especially around here. I think our public HS had only 1 admit last year.

You have to remember- USNWR cites an 11% acceptance rate, but GU is not on common app, it REQUIRES standardized testing and every sitting, there are 4 essays, an interview is required and they like to see AP exam scores. SO--that is why they don't drive up application numbers to get a falsely lower admit rate.

It's likely more like a 7% admit rate.

requiring tests makes their median a lot lower than top 20 schools. My kid's score was 1520 and felt confident sending that score to Georgetown. Not so much other colleges.

And YET it's not that much lower. This is equally impressive since EVERYONE --even those let in on a hook or need that have low scores have to submit and are included in the reported averages. These other schools have about 40-50% submitting and only those with the highest scores are submitting which has caused those averages to falsely inflate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I applied to both these schools back in the day when we didn't research as much (along with Catholic University)! Got rejected from Georgetown (I was very surprised haha), got into ND, and went to my state schools honors college on a full ride.

We know a few kids that got into an Ivy and rejected from Georgetown. Quite a few of friends at UVA that were rejected from GU.

GU is a very hard admit, especially around here. I think our public HS had only 1 admit last year.

You have to remember- USNWR cites an 11% acceptance rate, but GU is not on common app, it REQUIRES standardized testing and every sitting, there are 4 essays, an interview is required and they like to see AP exam scores. SO--that is why they don't drive up application numbers to get a falsely lower admit rate.

It's likely more like a 7% admit rate.

My husband was rejected from GU (his first choice) and ended up at Hopkins.

They are both excellent universities. We had zero admits to GU last year from our HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I applied to both these schools back in the day when we didn't research as much (along with Catholic University)! Got rejected from Georgetown (I was very surprised haha), got into ND, and went to my state schools honors college on a full ride.

We know a few kids that got into an Ivy and rejected from Georgetown. Quite a few of friends at UVA that were rejected from GU.

GU is a very hard admit, especially around here. I think our public HS had only 1 admit last year.

You have to remember- USNWR cites an 11% acceptance rate, but GU is not on common app, it REQUIRES standardized testing and every sitting, there are 4 essays, an interview is required and they like to see AP exam scores. SO--that is why they don't drive up application numbers to get a falsely lower admit rate.

It's likely more like a 7% admit rate.

requiring tests makes their median a lot lower than top 20 schools. My kid's score was 1520 and felt confident sending that score to Georgetown. Not so much other colleges.

And YET it's not that much lower. This is equally impressive since EVERYONE --even those let in on a hook or need that have low scores have to submit and are included in the reported averages. These other schools have about 40-50% submitting and only those with the highest scores are submitting which has caused those averages to falsely inflate.

This poster has an unhealthy fixation on Georgetown’s admissions policies and posts about them on every thread. It’s weird AF.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I applied to both these schools back in the day when we didn't research as much (along with Catholic University)! Got rejected from Georgetown (I was very surprised haha), got into ND, and went to my state schools honors college on a full ride.

We know a few kids that got into an Ivy and rejected from Georgetown. Quite a few of friends at UVA that were rejected from GU.

GU is a very hard admit, especially around here. I think our public HS had only 1 admit last year.

You have to remember- USNWR cites an 11% acceptance rate, but GU is not on common app, it REQUIRES standardized testing and every sitting, there are 4 essays, an interview is required and they like to see AP exam scores. SO--that is why they don't drive up application numbers to get a falsely lower admit rate.

It's likely more like a 7% admit rate.

requiring tests makes their median a lot lower than top 20 schools. My kid's score was 1520 and felt confident sending that score to Georgetown. Not so much other colleges.

And YET it's not that much lower. This is equally impressive since EVERYONE --even those let in on a hook or need that have low scores have to submit and are included in the reported averages. These other schools have about 40-50% submitting and only those with the highest scores are submitting which has caused those averages to falsely inflate.

Not sure why you need to disqualify our experience. But whatever.
ND sat scores are 1410 (25%) to 1540 (75%). 72% submit sat. ACT is 32 (25%) to 35 (75%). 36%
Those numbers make a 1500 very easy to submit. Even a 1460. Which is 100% not the case with any T20 college.