Notre Dame or Georgetown

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Anonymous wrote:DD applied to both ND and Georgetown early action. We really think she'll get into both and are already discussing the differences, the pros and cons. Any insights on the schools from people who have kids there now. Things besides academics as both are great in that regard. Thank you.

Both are great choices. As you say, she'll get a great education at either one. ND is much more overtly Catholic (parietals and single sex dorms), and some people call it "Catholic Disneyland." Personally, I prefer the more nuanced Jesuit Catholicism of Georgetown to the slightly more didactic Holy Cross Catholicism of Notre Dame. Georgetown is much more diverse and has more international students. The locations are quite different. There's more to do in D.C. than in South Bend, and it's probably easier to get internships in D.C., but ND has a beautiful campus. ND also has a better football team. Hoyas wear blue and grey; the Fighting Irish wear blue and Kelly green. Great options, so it's a tough choice.

Georgetown isn't really Catholic anymore though. It is "catholic" for fundraising from alumni, but other than that it has mostly rejected Catholicism.

Georgetown is a modern university first and a Catholic institution second, meaning academic freedom is not smothered by Catholic traditions. However, there is a rigorous theological requirement for undergrads. All students are required to take a year of philosophy and a year of theology. Modern Jesuits tend to respect freedom of conscience more and to be more subtle and nuanced in their analyses of moral questions than adherents of non-Jesuit traditions. Students at Georgetown will be engaged but not indoctrinated. It's a good place for an independent thinker who is willing to be challenged. Other than that, Georgetown is as Catholic or not Catholic as you want it to be. If you want daily mass and regular retreats, they are there. It is much more liberal theologically (although not necessarily politically) than Notre Dame. Pope Francis is, of course, a Jesuit, and he embodies the Jesuit tradition beautifully through his efforts to understand individual circumstances, his respect for the primacy of conscience, and his commitment to social justice. This is the direction of the modern Church. The Jesuit tradition, imo, helps one to negotiate our complicated modern world with integrity and compassion.

The two schools have the same number of required philosophy and theo classes - and a similar wide variety of classes that fulfill those requirements.

Neither require mass attendance or anything like that.

I think people have an outdated notion of who goes there these days. Nikole Hanna Jones is a proud ND graduate, for example. Amy Coney Barrett is tossed around a lot, but she went to Rhodes. I agree if you want to talk about ND Law, it's more Federalist Society than not.

I think one appeals to kids who want a big sports program and one appeals to kids who want DC.

I’m a Notre Dame Law grad and I agree. Coney Barrett has tarnished the reputation of the university as a whole but the real truth is that the law school is way more conservative than undergrad. The undergrad school has all kinds. I’m not sure I’d send my own kids there’s but there’s no denying that that school has a helluva lot to offer the right students and has plenty of kids who lean left.

Get over yourself. Are you so inflexible that you can’t handle differing opinions?

+1. And good lawyers don’t talk or think like this

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Anonymous wrote:DD applied to both ND and Georgetown early action. We really think she'll get into both and are already discussing the differences, the pros and cons. Any insights on the schools from people who have kids there now. Things besides academics as both are great in that regard. Thank you.

Both are great choices. As you say, she'll get a great education at either one. ND is much more overtly Catholic (parietals and single sex dorms), and some people call it "Catholic Disneyland." Personally, I prefer the more nuanced Jesuit Catholicism of Georgetown to the slightly more didactic Holy Cross Catholicism of Notre Dame. Georgetown is much more diverse and has more international students. The locations are quite different. There's more to do in D.C. than in South Bend, and it's probably easier to get internships in D.C., but ND has a beautiful campus. ND also has a better football team. Hoyas wear blue and grey; the Fighting Irish wear blue and Kelly green. Great options, so it's a tough choice.

Georgetown isn't really Catholic anymore though. It is "catholic" for fundraising from alumni, but other than that it has mostly rejected Catholicism.

Georgetown is a modern university first and a Catholic institution second, meaning academic freedom is not smothered by Catholic traditions. However, there is a rigorous theological requirement for undergrads. All students are required to take a year of philosophy and a year of theology. Modern Jesuits tend to respect freedom of conscience more and to be more subtle and nuanced in their analyses of moral questions than adherents of non-Jesuit traditions. Students at Georgetown will be engaged but not indoctrinated. It's a good place for an independent thinker who is willing to be challenged. Other than that, Georgetown is as Catholic or not Catholic as you want it to be. If you want daily mass and regular retreats, they are there. It is much more liberal theologically (although not necessarily politically) than Notre Dame. Pope Francis is, of course, a Jesuit, and he embodies the Jesuit tradition beautifully through his efforts to understand individual circumstances, his respect for the primacy of conscience, and his commitment to social justice. This is the direction of the modern Church. The Jesuit tradition, imo, helps one to negotiate our complicated modern world with integrity and compassion.

The two schools have the same number of required philosophy and theo classes - and a similar wide variety of classes that fulfill those requirements.

Neither require mass attendance or anything like that.

I think people have an outdated notion of who goes there these days. Nikole Hanna Jones is a proud ND graduate, for example. Amy Coney Barrett is tossed around a lot, but she went to Rhodes. I agree if you want to talk about ND Law, it's more Federalist Society than not.

I think one appeals to kids who want a big sports program and one appeals to kids who want DC.

I’m a Notre Dame Law grad and I agree. Coney Barrett has tarnished the reputation of the university as a whole but the real truth is that the law school is way more conservative than undergrad. The undergrad school has all kinds. I’m not sure I’d send my own kids there’s but there’s no denying that that school has a helluva lot to offer the right students and has plenty of kids who lean left.

Not in conservative circles! My DD is applying to its law school just for this reason. She wants to have real debate in the classroom - not be told how and what to think by faculty and students alike

+ a million

+another million which is why my kid IS applying to ND law and not to Harvard even thought both parents are alums

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Anonymous wrote:My DS got into both Georgetown and Notre Dame early 2 weeks ago (and 42 minutes apart). He's leaning towards Georgetown, but still waiting for 19 other decision to come out by April before making his decision. Biochem major, with pre-med.

Wtf? He applied to 21 schools?!?!!