Safe schools for a Jewish kid.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry to segway here, but can someone please explain to me what anti-Zionist means? Does it mean being against Netanyahu/Israeli policies against Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank (i.e. blockade, terrible conditions, land grabs in territories, Greater Israel, etc.) OR does it mean there should be "One Palestine" with Israel ceasing to exist as a Jewish state and reclamation of Palestinian lands in Israel proper?

Just trying to get a better understanding of the terminology being thrown around these days.

Historically speaking, antizionism was the opposition to the creation of a Jewish state. Since the establishment of Israel in 1949, it has come to be interpreted as opposition to the policies of the Israeli government, specifically with regards to its policies in the West Bank and the institutional racism towards non-Jews.

Not really. If that’s what you mean when you say it, you should rethink it. Many people are opposed to their own governments or other governments without being opposed to the right of the state to exist. I am staunchly Zionist - I believe in Israel’s right to exist. I am against many of the policies of the current Israeli government especially with regards to the West Bank. I am in favor of a Palestinian state too. Generally anti-Zionism IS antisemitism but with an “acceptable” face.

No state has an inherent "right" to exist. People do, however.

signed,

a person born in former Yugoslavia

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You’re right, but that is a different point. This discussion is about why people argue that only one state, Israel, has no right to exist.

Uhm, no. It is exactly the point. It is the whole point.

I think Israel should be a sovereign nation. But Palestinians have a right to have a nation too.

Agree. And most Israelis and Jews agree too. But Hamas does not, because they have rejected a two state solution multiple times and they are calling for the destruction of the state of Israel.

It was the Fatah government in the West Bank that rejected the two state solution multiple times. Pretending to want to live side by side in peace is what they do best. Palestinian leadership doesn’t want a two state solution. They want it all. There are generations of brainwashed Palestinians who can’t understand why Israel exists and why they seem to have it so much better than they do.

And Jewish people are not brainwashed in the same way in defense of Israel? Why do you think any criticism of Israel is viewed instantly as antisemitism?

I am a Jewish person who believes Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state and I also think that the current policies of the Israeli government are abhorrent. There are a reasonable lot of us. Criticism of the Israeli government is no more inherently antisemitic than criticism of the US government is un-American. In fact, I'd say that criticism of the government is a hallmark of patriotism in the US and in other western democracies. The problem being that many mistake jingoism for patriotism.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s the perspective of myself and several Jewish people I know. We are horrified by the October 7 terrorist attacks. We are also horrified by the loss of life of innocent Palestinians. We are not safe in a world with Hamas and they are hiding in Gaza behind innocent civilians. This is a no-win situation. We want more humanitarian aid for the people of Gaza. We don’t understand why Egypt isn’t allowing Palestinians through the Rafa crossing and Muslim countries aren’t allowing them to immigrate. We believe Palestinians have the right to live in peace and would like to see Hamas wiped out and then have those Palestinians seeking peace return to live a safer and better life. We find it difficult to hear students saying innocent Israelis had this coming but that is the official stance of these groups protesting. I would never ever say innocent Palestinians had anything coming. Every innocent life is valuable. Every single one. What my kids have a problem with is the hate crimes around their campus. People targeting others purely for their religion. People defacing their dorm room doors with offensive images and language. They do not feel safe.

PP, I am sorry for your kids. Someone needs to install cameras and expel the anti-Semites. I also appreciate your explanation of your feelings, esp since I share the same views! So many of my Jewish friends on FB appear to be saying that anyone criticising Israel for the way they are prosecuting the war is anti-Semitic.

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Anonymous wrote:You could just as easily create threads called:

Safe schools for Asian students
Safe schools for LGBTQ students
Safe schools for Black students
Safe schools for female students
Safe schools for Muslim students

How about safe schools in general? Where can our kids go where school is just about school?

I'm afraid OP is just another culture warrior trying to use a sincere worry and throw gas on it for political purposes.

There is a politics forum for that

Given the current situation, I can certainly understand where OP is coming from. Don't be a tone-deaf PP. No, I am not Jewish.

Agree. Cornell grad here, and a month ago I’d have sworn that Cornell would be a safe place for a Jewish person without giving it a second thought. I am absolutely shocked as to what is happening there now. Shocked and appalled.

To be fair to Cornell, my understanding is that the thread is NOT coming from Cornell community. Someone unrelated to the school posting threatening on social media. Feel free to correct me if my understanding is wrong/old.

The threats were on a Cornell specific forum. Still not known who exactly posted them. There were words like “F—- Israel” spray painted on campus. A Cornell professor who called the events of 10/7 “exhilarating”. I wouldn’t recommend it to my Jewish friends at this point.

You need to look again at the story with the professor. He should not have said that, and he apologized, but his remarks are being taken out of context.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools in Virginia are safe for a Jewish girl??

Everyone understands concerns of an anxious parent but ALL VIRGINIA schools are safe for any Jewish or Muslim girl or boy or binary person. Don't let your anxiety and conspiracy theories drive critical life decisions of your young adults.

All? You'd send your Jewish daughter to Liberty? Safety isn't just physical.

Different Poster...I am not Jewish, but I would not trust the hillbillies in many of the VA Schools if I had to worry about antisemitism.

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So, back to the original Q: - where is there a school OP’s kid can go without being targeted? I thought this was a foolish question until I saw all the mean, self righteous posts. Now I realize it’s a real problem for Jewish kids.

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Anonymous wrote:So, back to the original Q: - where is there a school OP’s kid can go without being targeted? I thought this was a foolish question until I saw all the mean, self righteous posts. Now I realize it’s a real problem for Jewish kids.

The answer is: most schools in the US, and you're probably better off at a school with a large Jewish population.

As terrible as the incident at Cornell was, I still think Jewish kids are totally safe there. The response has been swift and the person who wrote those vile things is already in custody.

I don't know that the US is the safest country in the world for Jews right now, but it's probably among the safest.

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Anonymous wrote:No doubt there is a boatload of antisemitism rearing its ugly head right now but I feel like we should note the difference between antisemitism and antizionism.

Thank you for taking every opportunity to point this out, every time a Jewish person mentions antisemitism. It’s really vital to keep putting us in our place, and I’m sure you do the same thing for all minorities who experience hatred. Thanks again for your good work.

DP, but several posts on this thread have portrayed antizionist protests and statements as antisemitic, when they are different. A college professor expressing objections to the Israeli government and Israeli policy with regards to Palestinians is not being antisemitic, and yet several posts in this thread have described it that way.

Several posts in this thread have also said that there have been protests on college campuses calling for the murder or extermination of Jews. If that were true, it would indeed be a terrible thing. But it is not true. There have been protests on college campuses objecting to Israeli occupation of Gaza, arguing for both a two-state solution and in some cases for the elimination of the Jewish state. What happens is that people then extrapolate that they believe those positions and proposals would result in Jewish deaths. I agree in some cases! But that does not mean that the people making these arguments are anti-semitic. It means that they are oppose Israel, not Jews.

If you don't want people popping up in every thread explaining the difference between antizionism and antisemitism, then please stop calling people who express objections to the far right Israeli government and their concerning policies as "antisemitic."

You are too reasonable and level headed for this thread.

Except there was no occupation of Gaza since 2005, Palestinian leadership never wanted a two state solution, and the term from “The River to the Sea” means expulsion of the Jews. When you start with a premise that is incorrect factually, the rest of your commentary is void. Once again it’s the western values of some well meaning sympathizers who can’t understand the tribal mentality of middle eastern Arabic culture.

I was kind of with you until you tossed in "tribal mentality."

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Anonymous wrote:They’re all far safer than any Gaza school is for a Gaza kid.

Yes we know. Jewish people don’t count.

Perfect example of people not just talking past each other - but intentionally antagonizing each other.

F all of you.

My son had a wonderful collection of friends - many faiths and ethnicities - who just really like hanging out with each other. That has all stopped in the past few weeks and my son (who does not follow an Abrahamic faith) suddenly has total radio silence.

This is terrible.

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Anonymous wrote:You could just as easily create threads called:

Safe schools for Asian students
Safe schools for LGBTQ students
Safe schools for Black students
Safe schools for female students
Safe schools for Muslim students

How about safe schools in general? Where can our kids go where school is just about school?

I'm afraid OP is just another culture warrior trying to use a sincere worry and throw gas on it for political purposes.

There is a politics forum for that

Those groups may all be marginalized but no one is marching around calling for their murder. Jewish students are under particular threat right now. Please open your eyes and acknowledge it!

So far, here in the US, the only kid who has been killed as a result of the strife in the ME has been a Palestinian-American boy (6 years old) who was stabbed to death for being Muslim:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/16/us/chicago-muslim-boy-stabbing-investigation/index.html

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Anonymous wrote:What schools in Virginia are safe for a Jewish girl??

I just want to say I am sorry that you have to ask this question. I don’t think it is crazy FYI. I don’t have a Va answer (not any information that I am familiar with) but Catholic schools tend to be very supportive and always have had a strong Jewish community. Boston College is less churchy than Notre Dame FWIW

You mention BC but I'd emphasize that BC is Jesuit and those universities in particular are supportive and encourage communication and understanding across cultures, religions, nations.

Agree that Catholic schools are a good choice, as they all are supportive and encourage communication and understanding across cultures, religions, nations, and politics.

Re: ND in particular, Notre Dame is home to the Kroc Institute of International Peace Studies. The lecture on the current situation was standing room only. https://kroc.nd.edu/news-events/ It's statement: https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/10/an-open-letter-for-peace-from-the-kroc-institute/

ND Jewish Club: https://notredameday.nd.edu/organizations/jewish-club-of-notre-dame

Also, ND has had a longstanding program in Israel: https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/10/from-the-archives-notre-dame-in-jerusalem/

Old article on Jewish students at ND through history, including several Rabbis. https://sites.nd.edu/ndarchives/jewish-students-at-notre-dame/ adn a more recent OpEd: https://www.jewishoncampus.org/media/jewish-on-a-catholic-campus-the-joc-ambassador-programs-impact-at-notre-dame

Do non-Christians get to opt out of the two required Christian-based theology classes?
https://theology.nd.edu/about/the-university-requirement-for-theology/

Doubtful. My atheist son must take religion at his Catholic HS.

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Anonymous wrote:You could just as easily create threads called:

Safe schools for Asian students
Safe schools for LGBTQ students
Safe schools for Black students
Safe schools for female students
Safe schools for Muslim students

How about safe schools in general? Where can our kids go where school is just about school?

I'm afraid OP is just another culture warrior trying to use a sincere worry and throw gas on it for political purposes.

There is a politics forum for that

Those groups may all be marginalized but no one is marching around calling for their murder. Jewish students are under particular threat right now. Please open your eyes and acknowledge it!

Really? No one is walking around calling for the murder of Muslims or in fact murdering them? Do you watch the news? A man murdered a Muslim CHILD for being muslim in IL a week ago. A Muslim pediatrician was murdered YESTERDAY in MD for being Muslim. Police are out here murdering unarmed black people everyday and have been for years? An entire political party is not out here trying to exterminate LGBTQIA people? Please!

Another Muslim doctor killed yesterday. This time in Texas.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pediatrician-fatally-stabbed-conroe-texas_n_653fd9d6e4b032ae1c9c0b14/amp

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Anonymous wrote:I read on DCUM that there is a Hillel Campus Guide. In general I wouldn't get advice here - people aren't that friendly. I would try to talk to friends IRL or your rabbi.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry to segway here, but can someone please explain to me what anti-Zionist means? Does it mean being against Netanyahu/Israeli policies against Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank (i.e. blockade, terrible conditions, land grabs in territories, Greater Israel, etc.) OR does it mean there should be "One Palestine" with Israel ceasing to exist as a Jewish state and reclamation of Palestinian lands in Israel proper?

Just trying to get a better understanding of the terminology being thrown around these days.

Historically speaking, antizionism was the opposition to the creation of a Jewish state. Since the establishment of Israel in 1949, it has come to be interpreted as opposition to the policies of the Israeli government, specifically with regards to its policies in the West Bank and the institutional racism towards non-Jews.

Not really. If that’s what you mean when you say it, you should rethink it. Many people are opposed to their own governments or other governments without being opposed to the right of the state to exist. I am staunchly Zionist - I believe in Israel’s right to exist. I am against many of the policies of the current Israeli government especially with regards to the West Bank. I am in favor of a Palestinian state too. Generally anti-Zionism IS antisemitism but with an “acceptable” face.

No state has an inherent "right" to exist. People do, however.

signed,

a person born in former Yugoslavia

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You’re right, but that is a different point. This discussion is about why people argue that only one state, Israel, has no right to exist.

Uhm, no. It is exactly the point. It is the whole point.

I think Israel should be a sovereign nation. But Palestinians have a right to have a nation too.

Agree. And most Israelis and Jews agree too. But Hamas does not, because they have rejected a two state solution multiple times and they are calling for the destruction of the state of Israel.

It was the Fatah government in the West Bank that rejected the two state solution multiple times. Pretending to want to live side by side in peace is what they do best. Palestinian leadership doesn’t want a two state solution. They want it all. There are generations of brainwashed Palestinians who can’t understand why Israel exists and why they seem to have it so much better than they do.

And Jewish people are not brainwashed in the same way in defense of Israel? Why do you think any criticism of Israel is viewed instantly as antisemitism?

I don’t know how many times people have to say this to you but you aren’t listening. Israel has offered a two state solution multiple times. Most Israelis and most Jews worldwide support a two state solution. What they don’t support is a one state solution that eliminates the state of Israel, i.e. they don’t support their own destruction.
Criticism of Israel doesn’t have to be antisemitic but when it is anti-Zionist, it probably is antisemitic.

If you don’t understand that the 2 state solution that was offered up was deeply unfair to the Palestinians, then I don’t know what to tell you. People are not stupid. They know a raw deal when they see it.

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Anonymous wrote:You could just as easily create threads called:

Safe schools for Asian students
Safe schools for LGBTQ students
Safe schools for Black students
Safe schools for female students
Safe schools for Muslim students

How about safe schools in general? Where can our kids go where school is just about school?

I'm afraid OP is just another culture warrior trying to use a sincere worry and throw gas on it for political purposes.

There is a politics forum for that

Given the current situation, I can certainly understand where OP is coming from. Don't be a tone-deaf PP. No, I am not Jewish.

Agree. Cornell grad here, and a month ago I’d have sworn that Cornell would be a safe place for a Jewish person without giving it a second thought. I am absolutely shocked as to what is happening there now. Shocked and appalled.

To be fair to Cornell, my understanding is that the thread is NOT coming from Cornell community. Someone unrelated to the school posting threatening on social media. Feel free to correct me if my understanding is wrong/old.

The threats were on a Cornell specific forum. Still not known who exactly posted them. There were words like “F—- Israel” spray painted on campus. A Cornell professor who called the events of 10/7 “exhilarating”. I wouldn’t recommend it to my Jewish friends at this point.

You need to look again at the story with the professor. He should not have said that, and he apologized, but his remarks are being taken out of context.

I'm a Cornell parent and I have watched the entire video. They are not being taken out of context. He simply said that they were being taken out of context, without any explanation to support his assertion.

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Anonymous wrote:You could just as easily create threads called:

Safe schools for Asian students
Safe schools for LGBTQ students
Safe schools for Black students
Safe schools for female students
Safe schools for Muslim students

How about safe schools in general? Where can our kids go where school is just about school?

I'm afraid OP is just another culture warrior trying to use a sincere worry and throw gas on it for political purposes.

There is a politics forum for that

Those groups may all be marginalized but no one is marching around calling for their murder. Jewish students are under particular threat right now. Please open your eyes and acknowledge it!

Really? No one is walking around calling for the murder of Muslims or in fact murdering them? Do you watch the news? A man murdered a Muslim CHILD for being muslim in IL a week ago. A Muslim pediatrician was murdered YESTERDAY in MD for being Muslim. Police are out here murdering unarmed black people everyday and have been for years? An entire political party is not out here trying to exterminate LGBTQIA people? Please!

that pediatrician was in Texas- not MD. Jeez, you scared me, im Pakistani ( and have tons of drs in my friends and family, physicians are often subject to violent attacks b/c they have a public facing job) and freaked out! Its not a safe place for jews or muslims right now but the truth is that bigoted hateful people have a muscle memory of mob violence against Jews and Muslims are also more resilient b/c we have experienced this recently and only recently. we dont have a millennia long history of pograms and fear, we mostly come from civilizations that were equal to anyone else and strong, not minority populations that were subject to violence. We dont have that history of being victimized and hunted so even though its dangerous for us, I think most muslim people aren't triggered by historical trauma. So far only muslims have actually died but lets hope that there aren't any large scale attacks on Muslim or Jewish centers/schools.