Safe schools for a Jewish kid.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools in Virginia are safe for a Jewish girl??

I just want to say I am sorry that you have to ask this question. I don’t think it is crazy FYI. I don’t have a Va answer (not any information that I am familiar with) but Catholic schools tend to be very supportive and always have had a strong Jewish community. Boston College is less churchy than Notre Dame FWIW

You mention BC but I'd emphasize that BC is Jesuit and those universities in particular are supportive and encourage communication and understanding across cultures, religions, nations.

Agree that Catholic schools are a good choice, as they all are supportive and encourage communication and understanding across cultures, religions, nations, and politics.

Re: ND in particular, Notre Dame is home to the Kroc Institute of International Peace Studies. The lecture on the current situation was standing room only. https://kroc.nd.edu/news-events/ It's statement: https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/10/an-open-letter-for-peace-from-the-kroc-institute/

ND Jewish Club: https://notredameday.nd.edu/organizations/jewish-club-of-notre-dame

Also, ND has had a longstanding program in Israel: https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/10/from-the-archives-notre-dame-in-jerusalem/

Old article on Jewish students at ND through history, including several Rabbis. https://sites.nd.edu/ndarchives/jewish-students-at-notre-dame/ adn a more recent OpEd: https://www.jewishoncampus.org/media/jewish-on-a-catholic-campus-the-joc-ambassador-programs-impact-at-notre-dame

Do non-Christians get to opt out of the two required Christian-based theology classes?
https://theology.nd.edu/about/the-university-requirement-for-theology/

Can't speak to ND but at Jesuit schools, the 2 theology course requirement is not a Christian-based theology requirement. There are many choices and are often akin to history or philosophy courses where the subject explores a particular religion or a set of religions.

I was surprised to read that the ND requirement is so focused on the New Testament.

I wonder if it was always like that or if it's become more deeply "Catholic" in recent years.

I don't think you can look at the title of the course and know what it is actually about. My DS took a class with New Testament in the title, but they actually studied Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, the geographic and historic context of the life of Jesus, and the study of how, when, and by whom the New Testament texts were written. Fascinating course.

"Courses that fulfill the foundation requirement focus on what Vatican II states to be the “permanent foundation” of theology: “the written Word of God taken together with sacred tradition,” i.e. Scripture and Tradition."

This first course in theology offers a critical study of the Bible and early Christian tradition. Following an introduction to the Old and New Testaments, students follow major post-biblical developments in Christian life and worship (e.g., liturgy, theology, doctrine, asceticism), emphasizing the first five centuries.

If you've had a course like this, that description fits exactly with the above description: e.g., the critical study of the Bible in the old testament would include learning about the A, B, C and D writers and which segments and in what languages they were written, etc. "Scripture and early Christian tradition" would include studying theological philosophers who inform the tradition (Plato, Aristotle, Augustine, Anselm of Canterbury), etc." It isn't Catechism. It is an academic course. At least where I've studied it (not ND). Note that emphasizing the first five centuries makes it an intellectual, historical course.

I am curious about what you expected it to be?

Aren’t they all “academic courses”?

It’s something for students to consider when looking at Catholic schools. It was actually one of the main reasons why I personally passed on ND years ago.

Because you didn’t want to learn about the Bible or the history of Christianity?

Any school with a Great Books program will have the Bible as part of the texts that are studied.
Look, no one can study western culture without addressing the impact the Bible has had on it, as well as Plato's Cave and Marx's Marx-Engel's Reader. One doesn't have to buy into the polemic, but just needs to understand the pavers of western culture. Nietsche, Machiavelli, Rousseau, Descartes, they're in there too. Don't worry, it's no just the Bible a student will need Cliff Notes for.

But no option to opt out of the Christian-focused classes at ND. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:No doubt there is a boatload of antisemitism rearing its ugly head right now but I feel like we should note the difference between antisemitism and antizionism.

I wish. The violent pro-palestinian protesters that are attacking Jews in this country sure aren't.

I’d argue that anti-Semites (people attacking Jews, by definition, are anti-Semites) are going to anti-Semite any chance they get.

That doesn’t make criticism of Israeli policy equal anti-Semitism. As a Jew, I really wish Jewish organizations wouldn’t have gone along with the politicians who pushed that BS. Those people don’t give a damn about us, and conflating political expression with anti-Semitism makes nobody believe us when we highlight actual anti-Semitism.

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Cross Harvard Law off the list.

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Anonymous wrote:Cross Harvard Law off the list.

- especially their law review!

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Anonymous wrote:You could just as easily create threads called:

Safe schools for Asian students
Safe schools for LGBTQ students
Safe schools for Black students
Safe schools for female students
Safe schools for Muslim students

How about safe schools in general? Where can our kids go where school is just about school?

I'm afraid OP is just another culture warrior trying to use a sincere worry and throw gas on it for political purposes.

There is a politics forum for that

Those groups may all be marginalized but no one is marching around calling for their murder. Jewish students are under particular threat right now. Please open your eyes and acknowledge it!

Really? No one is walking around calling for the murder of Muslims or in fact murdering them? Do you watch the news? A man murdered a Muslim CHILD for being muslim in IL a week ago. A Muslim pediatrician was murdered YESTERDAY in MD for being Muslim. Police are out here murdering unarmed black people everyday and have been for years? An entire political party is not out here trying to exterminate LGBTQIA people? Please!

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But why are you okay standing up for all those other groups but not Jewish people? Reflect on that, please.
The issue here is that universities, by and large, are not doing enough to protect Jewish students from the outright hatred and threats from their peers, and frankly, faculty. Why is this hard for them to do? Anti-semitism, that's why. Why are you afraid to name it?

DP. What should have Cornell have done differently here?

Nothing about the online posting, but it was boiled by up to that. My friend has a kid at Cornell, he said last week that it was the first time he was genuinely afraid for his life, and it’s a kid who was brought up in NYC and went through diverse public schools there - not exactly a shrinking violet. Things were ugly for a while.

Talked to my Jewish (but not religious) Cornell kid tonight. She said she feels the media is just fueling flames. 'Lots of bad stuff gets posted on line.' The north campus power outage is more of a focus right now. I am glad she is. Not scared.

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Anonymous wrote:You could just as easily create threads called:

Safe schools for Asian students
Safe schools for LGBTQ students
Safe schools for Black students
Safe schools for female students
Safe schools for Muslim students

How about safe schools in general? Where can our kids go where school is just about school?

I'm afraid OP is just another culture warrior trying to use a sincere worry and throw gas on it for political purposes.

There is a politics forum for that

Those groups may all be marginalized but no one is marching around calling for their murder. Jewish students are under particular threat right now. Please open your eyes and acknowledge it!

Really? No one is walking around calling for the murder of Muslims or in fact murdering them? Do you watch the news? A man murdered a Muslim CHILD for being muslim in IL a week ago. A Muslim pediatrician was murdered YESTERDAY in MD for being Muslim. Police are out here murdering unarmed black people everyday and have been for years? An entire political party is not out here trying to exterminate LGBTQIA people? Please!

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But why are you okay standing up for all those other groups but not Jewish people? Reflect on that, please.
The issue here is that universities, by and large, are not doing enough to protect Jewish students from the outright hatred and threats from their peers, and frankly, faculty. Why is this hard for them to do? Anti-semitism, that's why. Why are you afraid to name it?

DP. What should have Cornell have done differently here?

Nothing about the online posting, but it was boiled by up to that. My friend has a kid at Cornell, he said last week that it was the first time he was genuinely afraid for his life, and it’s a kid who was brought up in NYC and went through diverse public schools there - not exactly a shrinking violet. Things were ugly for a while.

Talked to my Jewish (but not religious) Cornell kid tonight. She said she feels the media is just fueling flames. 'Lots of bad stuff gets posted on line.' The north campus power outage is more of a focus right now. I am glad she is. Not scared.

I do believe the media is provoking emotions on both sides and not helpful. They always do this.

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I just read this entire thread and most of you can’t read. The question was what schools IN VIRGINIA. One poster said VT. The rest of you listed Cornell over and over and mentioned OOS schools like ND.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools in Virginia are safe for a Jewish girl??

I just want to say I am sorry that you have to ask this question. I don’t think it is crazy FYI. I don’t have a Va answer (not any information that I am familiar with) but Catholic schools tend to be very supportive and always have had a strong Jewish community. Boston College is less churchy than Notre Dame FWIW

You mention BC but I'd emphasize that BC is Jesuit and those universities in particular are supportive and encourage communication and understanding across cultures, religions, nations.

Agree that Catholic schools are a good choice, as they all are supportive and encourage communication and understanding across cultures, religions, nations, and politics.

Re: ND in particular, Notre Dame is home to the Kroc Institute of International Peace Studies. The lecture on the current situation was standing room only. https://kroc.nd.edu/news-events/ It's statement: https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/10/an-open-letter-for-peace-from-the-kroc-institute/

ND Jewish Club: https://notredameday.nd.edu/organizations/jewish-club-of-notre-dame

Also, ND has had a longstanding program in Israel: https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/10/from-the-archives-notre-dame-in-jerusalem/

Old article on Jewish students at ND through history, including several Rabbis. https://sites.nd.edu/ndarchives/jewish-students-at-notre-dame/ adn a more recent OpEd: https://www.jewishoncampus.org/media/jewish-on-a-catholic-campus-the-joc-ambassador-programs-impact-at-notre-dame

Do non-Christians get to opt out of the two required Christian-based theology classes?
https://theology.nd.edu/about/the-university-requirement-for-theology/

Can't speak to ND but at Jesuit schools, the 2 theology course requirement is not a Christian-based theology requirement. There are many choices and are often akin to history or philosophy courses where the subject explores a particular religion or a set of religions.

I was surprised to read that the ND requirement is so focused on the New Testament.

I wonder if it was always like that or if it's become more deeply "Catholic" in recent years.

I don't think you can look at the title of the course and know what it is actually about. My DS took a class with New Testament in the title, but they actually studied Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, the geographic and historic context of the life of Jesus, and the study of how, when, and by whom the New Testament texts were written. Fascinating course.

"Courses that fulfill the foundation requirement focus on what Vatican II states to be the “permanent foundation” of theology: “the written Word of God taken together with sacred tradition,” i.e. Scripture and Tradition."

This first course in theology offers a critical study of the Bible and early Christian tradition. Following an introduction to the Old and New Testaments, students follow major post-biblical developments in Christian life and worship (e.g., liturgy, theology, doctrine, asceticism), emphasizing the first five centuries.

If you've had a course like this, that description fits exactly with the above description: e.g., the critical study of the Bible in the old testament would include learning about the A, B, C and D writers and which segments and in what languages they were written, etc. "Scripture and early Christian tradition" would include studying theological philosophers who inform the tradition (Plato, Aristotle, Augustine, Anselm of Canterbury), etc." It isn't Catechism. It is an academic course. At least where I've studied it (not ND). Note that emphasizing the first five centuries makes it an intellectual, historical course.

I am curious about what you expected it to be?

Aren’t they all “academic courses”?

It’s something for students to consider when looking at Catholic schools. It was actually one of the main reasons why I personally passed on ND years ago.

Because you didn’t want to learn about the Bible or the history of Christianity?

Any school with a Great Books program will have the Bible as part of the texts that are studied.
Look, no one can study western culture without addressing the impact the Bible has had on it, as well as Plato's Cave and Marx's Marx-Engel's Reader. One doesn't have to buy into the polemic, but just needs to understand the pavers of western culture. Nietsche, Machiavelli, Rousseau, Descartes, they're in there too. Don't worry, it's no just the Bible a student will need Cliff Notes for.

But no option to opt out of the Christian-focused classes at ND. Got it.

Why wouldn’t you want to learn about Christianity?

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Anonymous wrote:What schools in Virginia are safe for a Jewish girl??

Everyone understands concerns of an anxious parent but ALL VIRGINIA schools are safe for any Jewish or Muslim girl or boy or binary person. Don't let your anxiety and conspiracy theories drive critical life decisions of your young adults.

All? You'd send your Jewish daughter to Liberty? Safety isn't just physical.

Different Poster...I am not Jewish, but I would not trust the hillbillies in many of the VA Schools if I had to worry about antisemitism.

As we speak, there are ships carrying thousands of US military guys in the vicinity of Israel. And probably more on the way. If called into action, they will risk their lives for Israel. Who do you think those guys are? New England prep school grads? Sons of Silicon Valley entrepreneurs? Sons of Manhattan hedge fund managers? Hollywood offspring?

No, they are rednecks, inner city Baptists, hillbillies, farm boys, Mormons, Hispanics with a GED….all the people you think you are superior to, yet you don’t have 1% of their courage.

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Anonymous wrote:You could just as easily create threads called:

Safe schools for Asian students
Safe schools for LGBTQ students
Safe schools for Black students
Safe schools for female students
Safe schools for Muslim students

How about safe schools in general? Where can our kids go where school is just about school?

I'm afraid OP is just another culture warrior trying to use a sincere worry and throw gas on it for political purposes.

There is a politics forum for that

Those groups may all be marginalized but no one is marching around calling for their murder. Jewish students are under particular threat right now. Please open your eyes and acknowledge it!

Really? No one is walking around calling for the murder of Muslims or in fact murdering them? Do you watch the news? A man murdered a Muslim CHILD for being muslim in IL a week ago. A Muslim pediatrician was murdered YESTERDAY in MD for being Muslim. Police are out here murdering unarmed black people everyday and have been for years? An entire political party is not out here trying to exterminate LGBTQIA people? Please!

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But why are you okay standing up for all those other groups but not Jewish people? Reflect on that, please.
The issue here is that universities, by and large, are not doing enough to protect Jewish students from the outright hatred and threats from their peers, and frankly, faculty. Why is this hard for them to do? Anti-semitism, that's why. Why are you afraid to name it?

DP. What should have Cornell have done differently here?

Nothing about the online posting, but it was boiled by up to that. My friend has a kid at Cornell, he said last week that it was the first time he was genuinely afraid for his life, and it’s a kid who was brought up in NYC and went through diverse public schools there - not exactly a shrinking violet. Things were ugly for a while.

Talked to my Jewish (but not religious) Cornell kid tonight. She said she feels the media is just fueling flames. 'Lots of bad stuff gets posted on line.' The north campus power outage is more of a focus right now. I am glad she is. Not scared.

What that kid wrote was beyond disturbing and thankfully they found him but it was not a random threat. It was specific and disturbing and he needs to be locked up or he will hurt someone whether or not they are Jewish. His description was beyond frightening.

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Anonymous wrote:You could just as easily create threads called:

Safe schools for Asian students
Safe schools for LGBTQ students
Safe schools for Black students
Safe schools for female students
Safe schools for Muslim students

How about safe schools in general? Where can our kids go where school is just about school?

I'm afraid OP is just another culture warrior trying to use a sincere worry and throw gas on it for political purposes.

There is a politics forum for that

Those groups may all be marginalized but no one is marching around calling for their murder. Jewish students are under particular threat right now. Please open your eyes and acknowledge it!

Really? No one is walking around calling for the murder of Muslims or in fact murdering them? Do you watch the news? A man murdered a Muslim CHILD for being muslim in IL a week ago. A Muslim pediatrician was murdered YESTERDAY in MD for being Muslim. Police are out here murdering unarmed black people everyday and have been for years? An entire political party is not out here trying to exterminate LGBTQIA people? Please!

+1000

But why are you okay standing up for all those other groups but not Jewish people? Reflect on that, please.
The issue here is that universities, by and large, are not doing enough to protect Jewish students from the outright hatred and threats from their peers, and frankly, faculty. Why is this hard for them to do? Anti-semitism, that's why. Why are you afraid to name it?

DP. What should have Cornell have done differently here?

Nothing about the online posting, but it was boiled by up to that. My friend has a kid at Cornell, he said last week that it was the first time he was genuinely afraid for his life, and it’s a kid who was brought up in NYC and went through diverse public schools there - not exactly a shrinking violet. Things were ugly for a while.

They Stop allowing protests for one. Students can engage in thoughtful calm dialogues if they wish but protests just fuel fire on both sides.

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Anonymous wrote:It was a terrible incident but I’m not sure it is fair to blame Cornell administration. These are impossible situations to manage

There were numerous anti-Semitic incidents that preceded these terrible online threats. The administration’s mishandling of those incidents is what is being criticized.

If I were Jewish I would start taking legal action against every single college allowing these protests and allowing professors to encourage anti Semitism then I would encourage every person I know at the school to not donate to them anymore. This includes Harvard for sure. Was that kid that assaulted the Jewish kid at Harvard expelled? The video is all over the place

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Anonymous wrote:I just read this entire thread and most of you can’t read. The question was what schools IN VIRGINIA. One poster said VT. The rest of you listed Cornell over and over and mentioned OOS schools like ND.

The flow was logical and the OOS posts started by acknowledging OP's request. Chill.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools in Virginia are safe for a Jewish girl??

Everyone understands concerns of an anxious parent but ALL VIRGINIA schools are safe for any Jewish or Muslim girl or boy or binary person. Don't let your anxiety and conspiracy theories drive critical life decisions of your young adults.

All? You'd send your Jewish daughter to Liberty? Safety isn't just physical.

Different Poster...I am not Jewish, but I would not trust the hillbillies in many of the VA Schools if I had to worry about antisemitism.

As we speak, there are ships carrying thousands of US military guys in the vicinity of Israel. And probably more on the way. If called into action, they will risk their lives for Israel. Who do you think those guys are? New England prep school grads? Sons of Silicon Valley entrepreneurs? Sons of Manhattan hedge fund managers? Hollywood offspring?

No, they are rednecks, inner city Baptists, hillbillies, farm boys, Mormons, Hispanics with a GED….all the people you think you are superior to, yet you don’t have 1% of their courage.

Respect to our troops, and God bless the special ops helping the Israelis get their hostages free….but I think those marines aren’t there to fight for Israel….they are there to get U.S. embassy and other citizens out of Lebanon and other places if the s** hits the fan

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Anonymous wrote:You could just as easily create threads called:

Safe schools for Asian students
Safe schools for LGBTQ students
Safe schools for Black students
Safe schools for female students
Safe schools for Muslim students

How about safe schools in general? Where can our kids go where school is just about school?

I'm afraid OP is just another culture warrior trying to use a sincere worry and throw gas on it for political purposes.

There is a politics forum for that

Those groups may all be marginalized but no one is marching around calling for their murder. Jewish students are under particular threat right now. Please open your eyes and acknowledge it!

Really? No one is walking around calling for the murder of Muslims or in fact murdering them? Do you watch the news? A man murdered a Muslim CHILD for being muslim in IL a week ago. A Muslim pediatrician was murdered YESTERDAY in MD for being Muslim. Police are out here murdering unarmed black people everyday and have been for years? An entire political party is not out here trying to exterminate LGBTQIA people? Please!

+1000

But why are you okay standing up for all those other groups but not Jewish people? Reflect on that, please.
The issue here is that universities, by and large, are not doing enough to protect Jewish students from the outright hatred and threats from their peers, and frankly, faculty. Why is this hard for them to do? Anti-semitism, that's why. Why are you afraid to name it?

DP. What should have Cornell have done differently here?

Nothing about the online posting, but it was boiled by up to that. My friend has a kid at Cornell, he said last week that it was the first time he was genuinely afraid for his life, and it’s a kid who was brought up in NYC and went through diverse public schools there - not exactly a shrinking violet. Things were ugly for a while.

Talked to my Jewish (but not religious) Cornell kid tonight. She said she feels the media is just fueling flames. 'Lots of bad stuff gets posted on line.' The north campus power outage is more of a focus right now. I am glad she is. Not scared.

What that kid wrote was beyond disturbing and thankfully they found him but it was not a random threat. It was specific and disturbing and he needs to be locked up or he will hurt someone whether or not they are Jewish. His description was beyond frightening.

DD was of course releaved the poster was found and will be prosecuted.