Safe schools for a Jewish kid.

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I haven't read the whole thread, but

https://franciscan.edu/franciscan-university-offers-safe-haven-to-jewish-students/

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Look at VT.
It has an active Hillel and many international and Muslim students, as well as LGBTQ+ students and many middle of the road kids. Here’s hoping they continue to exist in mutual respect.

(there is a bit of a problem with general post-Covid behavior, which seems to be the case on many campuses and in the larger world. And it’s not a place where there’s academic hand-holding.)

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I went to a Jewish university. You won't have to deal with this at Yeshiva University or Touro.

To be fair, my daughter doesn’t have to deal with this at her non-flagship state school either. Not too many privileged kids, so the students there have to deal with real life issues - no $$$ for luxury beliefs, no time for posturing.

This is a great point! Maybe directional schools will be the new “it” schools! I will have my son look - tired of elitists.

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Anonymous wrote:You could just as easily create threads called:

Safe schools for Asian students
Safe schools for LGBTQ students
Safe schools for Black students
Safe schools for female students
Safe schools for Muslim students

How about safe schools in general? Where can our kids go where school is just about school?

I'm afraid OP is just another culture warrior trying to use a sincere worry and throw gas on it for political purposes.

There is a politics forum for that

Those groups may all be marginalized but no one is marching around calling for their murder. Jewish students are under particular threat right now. Please open your eyes and acknowledge it!

Really? No one is walking around calling for the murder of Muslims or in fact murdering them? Do you watch the news? A man murdered a Muslim CHILD for being muslim in IL a week ago. A Muslim pediatrician was murdered YESTERDAY in MD for being Muslim. Police are out here murdering unarmed black people everyday and have been for years? An entire political party is not out here trying to exterminate LGBTQIA people? Please!

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But why are you okay standing up for all those other groups but not Jewish people? Reflect on that, please.
The issue here is that universities, by and large, are not doing enough to protect Jewish students from the outright hatred and threats from their peers, and frankly, faculty. Why is this hard for them to do? Anti-semitism, that's why. Why are you afraid to name it?

DP. What should have Cornell have done differently here?

I'm not criticizing what Cornell did. Thankfully, law enforcement has the perpetrator. But what of the other univerisities? What is happening on campuses that has emboldened racist professors to make Jewish kids stand in a corner during class to humiliate them? Why are Jewish kids at NYU chased by a mob and told to shelter in the library? Why are hateful people screaming at Jewish students and tearing down missing person signs? Why are swastikas and nooses all over campus at Jewish organization? The climate on campus is out of control. It must not be tolerated. It is not okay. Full stop.

No one should want to see anyone suffer. I sure don't. Not the Palestinians or the Jews. Sad thing is, too many of these protests are not about Palestinans at all. Its anti-semitism and hate straight up. How can there be any hope for peace if there is so much hate and lack of basic civility or humanity? Free speech? Fine, right up until the moment it tramples the rights of others. All Americans should be concerned about this. Worst part is far too many people are sitting back, shrugging shoulders, like, oh well. Because this time it is the Jews.

I am mainly hearing about these situations on DCUM and some friends’ FB pages. I don’t think most people are aware.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at VT.
It has an active Hillel and many international and Muslim students, as well as LGBTQ+ students and many middle of the road kids. Here’s hoping they continue to exist in mutual respect.

(there is a bit of a problem with general post-Covid behavior, which seems to be the case on many campuses and in the larger world. And it’s not a place where there’s academic hand-holding.)

Sounds alot like Cornell!

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Anonymous wrote:You could just as easily create threads called:

Safe schools for Asian students
Safe schools for LGBTQ students
Safe schools for Black students
Safe schools for female students
Safe schools for Muslim students

How about safe schools in general? Where can our kids go where school is just about school?

I'm afraid OP is just another culture warrior trying to use a sincere worry and throw gas on it for political purposes.

There is a politics forum for that

Those groups may all be marginalized but no one is marching around calling for their murder. Jewish students are under particular threat right now. Please open your eyes and acknowledge it!

Really? No one is walking around calling for the murder of Muslims or in fact murdering them? Do you watch the news? A man murdered a Muslim CHILD for being muslim in IL a week ago. A Muslim pediatrician was murdered YESTERDAY in MD for being Muslim. Police are out here murdering unarmed black people everyday and have been for years? An entire political party is not out here trying to exterminate LGBTQIA people? Please!

+1000

But why are you okay standing up for all those other groups but not Jewish people? Reflect on that, please.
The issue here is that universities, by and large, are not doing enough to protect Jewish students from the outright hatred and threats from their peers, and frankly, faculty. Why is this hard for them to do? Anti-semitism, that's why. Why are you afraid to name it?

DP. What should have Cornell have done differently here?

I'm not criticizing what Cornell did. Thankfully, law enforcement has the perpetrator. But what of the other univerisities? What is happening on campuses that has emboldened racist professors to make Jewish kids stand in a corner during class to humiliate them? Why are Jewish kids at NYU chased by a mob and told to shelter in the library? Why are hateful people screaming at Jewish students and tearing down missing person signs? Why are swastikas and nooses all over campus at Jewish organization? The climate on campus is out of control. It must not be tolerated. It is not okay. Full stop.

No one should want to see anyone suffer. I sure don't. Not the Palestinians or the Jews. Sad thing is, too many of these protests are not about Palestinans at all. Its anti-semitism and hate straight up. How can there be any hope for peace if there is so much hate and lack of basic civility or humanity? Free speech? Fine, right up until the moment it tramples the rights of others. All Americans should be concerned about this. Worst part is far too many people are sitting back, shrugging shoulders, like, oh well. Because this time it is the Jews.

I am a Cornell alum and parent, and I will criticize what Cornell did. There were a series of anti-semitic incidents on campus, preceding the horrific online threats, where the Cornell administration’s response was weak and tepid. I am not just referring to the incident with Rickford; there were others as well. An atmosphere was created that allowed people to feel comfortable to express anti-semitic views. Also, the statement that President Pollack issued after October 7 was so bad and mealy-mouthed that she had to issue a second statement almost immediately thereafter.

Another Cornell parent...I do not think any wording chosen by the Cornell President would have changed this persons actions.

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Anonymous wrote:No doubt there is a boatload of antisemitism rearing its ugly head right now but I feel like we should note the difference between antisemitism and antizionism.

I wish. The violent pro-palestinian protesters that are attacking Jews in this country sure aren't.

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Anonymous wrote:You could just as easily create threads called:

Safe schools for Asian students
Safe schools for LGBTQ students
Safe schools for Black students
Safe schools for female students
Safe schools for Muslim students

How about safe schools in general? Where can our kids go where school is just about school?

I'm afraid OP is just another culture warrior trying to use a sincere worry and throw gas on it for political purposes.

There is a politics forum for that

Those groups may all be marginalized but no one is marching around calling for their murder. Jewish students are under particular threat right now. Please open your eyes and acknowledge it!

Really? No one is walking around calling for the murder of Muslims or in fact murdering them? Do you watch the news? A man murdered a Muslim CHILD for being muslim in IL a week ago. A Muslim pediatrician was murdered YESTERDAY in MD for being Muslim. Police are out here murdering unarmed black people everyday and have been for years? An entire political party is not out here trying to exterminate LGBTQIA people? Please!

+1000

But why are you okay standing up for all those other groups but not Jewish people? Reflect on that, please.
The issue here is that universities, by and large, are not doing enough to protect Jewish students from the outright hatred and threats from their peers, and frankly, faculty. Why is this hard for them to do? Anti-semitism, that's why. Why are you afraid to name it?

DP. What should have Cornell have done differently here?

Nothing about the online posting, but it was boiled by up to that. My friend has a kid at Cornell, he said last week that it was the first time he was genuinely afraid for his life, and it’s a kid who was brought up in NYC and went through diverse public schools there - not exactly a shrinking violet. Things were ugly for a while.

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Anonymous wrote:No doubt there is a boatload of antisemitism rearing its ugly head right now but I feel like we should note the difference between antisemitism and antizionism.

I wish. The violent pro-palestinian protesters that are attacking Jews in this country sure aren't.

I’d argue that anti-Semites (people attacking Jews, by definition, are anti-Semites) are going to anti-Semite any chance they get.

That doesn’t make criticism of Israeli policy equal anti-Semitism. As a Jew, I really wish Jewish organizations wouldn’t have gone along with the politicians who pushed that BS. Those people don’t give a damn about us, and conflating political expression with anti-Semitism makes nobody believe us when we highlight actual anti-Semitism.

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Anonymous wrote:You could just as easily create threads called:

Safe schools for Asian students
Safe schools for LGBTQ students
Safe schools for Black students
Safe schools for female students
Safe schools for Muslim students

How about safe schools in general? Where can our kids go where school is just about school?

I'm afraid OP is just another culture warrior trying to use a sincere worry and throw gas on it for political purposes.

There is a politics forum for that

Those groups may all be marginalized but no one is marching around calling for their murder. Jewish students are under particular threat right now. Please open your eyes and acknowledge it!

Really? No one is walking around calling for the murder of Muslims or in fact murdering them? Do you watch the news? A man murdered a Muslim CHILD for being muslim in IL a week ago. A Muslim pediatrician was murdered YESTERDAY in MD for being Muslim. Police are out here murdering unarmed black people everyday and have been for years? An entire political party is not out here trying to exterminate LGBTQIA people? Please!

+1000

But why are you okay standing up for all those other groups but not Jewish people? Reflect on that, please.
The issue here is that universities, by and large, are not doing enough to protect Jewish students from the outright hatred and threats from their peers, and frankly, faculty. Why is this hard for them to do? Anti-semitism, that's why. Why are you afraid to name it?

DP. What should have Cornell have done differently here?

I'm not criticizing what Cornell did. Thankfully, law enforcement has the perpetrator. But what of the other univerisities? What is happening on campuses that has emboldened racist professors to make Jewish kids stand in a corner during class to humiliate them? Why are Jewish kids at NYU chased by a mob and told to shelter in the library? Why are hateful people screaming at Jewish students and tearing down missing person signs? Why are swastikas and nooses all over campus at Jewish organization? The climate on campus is out of control. It must not be tolerated. It is not okay. Full stop.

No one should want to see anyone suffer. I sure don't. Not the Palestinians or the Jews. Sad thing is, too many of these protests are not about Palestinans at all. Its anti-semitism and hate straight up. How can there be any hope for peace if there is so much hate and lack of basic civility or humanity? Free speech? Fine, right up until the moment it tramples the rights of others. All Americans should be concerned about this. Worst part is far too many people are sitting back, shrugging shoulders, like, oh well. Because this time it is the Jews.

I am a Cornell alum and parent, and I will criticize what Cornell did. There were a series of anti-semitic incidents on campus, preceding the horrific online threats, where the Cornell administration’s response was weak and tepid. I am not just referring to the incident with Rickford; there were others as well. An atmosphere was created that allowed people to feel comfortable to express anti-semitic views. Also, the statement that President Pollack issued after October 7 was so bad and mealy-mouthed that she had to issue a second statement almost immediately thereafter.

Another Cornell parent...I do not think any wording chosen by the Cornell President would have changed this persons actions.

Well, that’s not what I said. What I said is that Cornell has done a terrible job addressing these events, starting with Martha’s stupid letter referencing earthquake victims.

Today’s letter is a step in the right direction, but the terrible leadership of the past several weeks contributed to fostering a toxic environment in which we have seen numerous anti-semitic incidents happen, not just the greekrank posts.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools in Virginia are safe for a Jewish girl??

I just want to say I am sorry that you have to ask this question. I don’t think it is crazy FYI. I don’t have a Va answer (not any information that I am familiar with) but Catholic schools tend to be very supportive and always have had a strong Jewish community. Boston College is less churchy than Notre Dame FWIW

You mention BC but I'd emphasize that BC is Jesuit and those universities in particular are supportive and encourage communication and understanding across cultures, religions, nations.

Agree that Catholic schools are a good choice, as they all are supportive and encourage communication and understanding across cultures, religions, nations, and politics.

Re: ND in particular, Notre Dame is home to the Kroc Institute of International Peace Studies. The lecture on the current situation was standing room only. https://kroc.nd.edu/news-events/ It's statement: https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/10/an-open-letter-for-peace-from-the-kroc-institute/

ND Jewish Club: https://notredameday.nd.edu/organizations/jewish-club-of-notre-dame

Also, ND has had a longstanding program in Israel: https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/10/from-the-archives-notre-dame-in-jerusalem/

Old article on Jewish students at ND through history, including several Rabbis. https://sites.nd.edu/ndarchives/jewish-students-at-notre-dame/ adn a more recent OpEd: https://www.jewishoncampus.org/media/jewish-on-a-catholic-campus-the-joc-ambassador-programs-impact-at-notre-dame

Do non-Christians get to opt out of the two required Christian-based theology classes?
https://theology.nd.edu/about/the-university-requirement-for-theology/

Can't speak to ND but at Jesuit schools, the 2 theology course requirement is not a Christian-based theology requirement. There are many choices and are often akin to history or philosophy courses where the subject explores a particular religion or a set of religions.

I was surprised to read that the ND requirement is so focused on the New Testament.

I wonder if it was always like that or if it's become more deeply "Catholic" in recent years.

I don't think you can look at the title of the course and know what it is actually about. My DS took a class with New Testament in the title, but they actually studied Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, the geographic and historic context of the life of Jesus, and the study of how, when, and by whom the New Testament texts were written. Fascinating course.

"Courses that fulfill the foundation requirement focus on what Vatican II states to be the “permanent foundation” of theology: “the written Word of God taken together with sacred tradition,” i.e. Scripture and Tradition."

This first course in theology offers a critical study of the Bible and early Christian tradition. Following an introduction to the Old and New Testaments, students follow major post-biblical developments in Christian life and worship (e.g., liturgy, theology, doctrine, asceticism), emphasizing the first five centuries.

If you've had a course like this, that description fits exactly with the above description: e.g., the critical study of the Bible in the old testament would include learning about the A, B, C and D writers and which segments and in what languages they were written, etc. "Scripture and early Christian tradition" would include studying theological philosophers who inform the tradition (Plato, Aristotle, Augustine, Anselm of Canterbury), etc." It isn't Catechism. It is an academic course. At least where I've studied it (not ND). Note that emphasizing the first five centuries makes it an intellectual, historical course.

I am curious about what you expected it to be?

Aren’t they all “academic courses”?

It’s something for students to consider when looking at Catholic schools. It was actually one of the main reasons why I personally passed on ND years ago.

Because you didn’t want to learn about the Bible or the history of Christianity?

Any school with a Great Books program will have the Bible as part of the texts that are studied.
Look, no one can study western culture without addressing the impact the Bible has had on it, as well as Plato's Cave and Marx's Marx-Engel's Reader. One doesn't have to buy into the polemic, but just needs to understand the pavers of western culture. Nietsche, Machiavelli, Rousseau, Descartes, they're in there too. Don't worry, it's no just the Bible a student will need Cliff Notes for.

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It was a terrible incident but I’m not sure it is fair to blame Cornell administration. These are impossible situations to manage

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Cornell antisemitic threats came from an Asian-American engineering student from upstate NY.



What a dummy. Just threw his life away to be a hateful edgelord. I’d love to see his browser and Twitter history - I bet it’s rightwing/4chan trash.

https://www.syracuse.com/news/2023/11/judge-orders-cornell-student-patrick-dai-accused-of-threatening-jewish-students-held-in-jail.html?outputType=amp

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Anonymous wrote:It was a terrible incident but I’m not sure it is fair to blame Cornell administration. These are impossible situations to manage

There were numerous anti-Semitic incidents that preceded these terrible online threats. The administration’s mishandling of those incidents is what is being criticized.

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Anonymous wrote:You could just as easily create threads called:

Safe schools for Asian students
Safe schools for LGBTQ students
Safe schools for Black students
Safe schools for female students
Safe schools for Muslim students

How about safe schools in general? Where can our kids go where school is just about school?

I'm afraid OP is just another culture warrior trying to use a sincere worry and throw gas on it for political purposes.

There is a politics forum for that

Those groups may all be marginalized but no one is marching around calling for their murder. Jewish students are under particular threat right now. Please open your eyes and acknowledge it!

Really? No one is walking around calling for the murder of Muslims or in fact murdering them? Do you watch the news? A man murdered a Muslim CHILD for being muslim in IL a week ago. A Muslim pediatrician was murdered YESTERDAY in MD for being Muslim. Police are out here murdering unarmed black people everyday and have been for years? An entire political party is not out here trying to exterminate LGBTQIA people? Please!

+1000

But why are you okay standing up for all those other groups but not Jewish people? Reflect on that, please.
The issue here is that universities, by and large, are not doing enough to protect Jewish students from the outright hatred and threats from their peers, and frankly, faculty. Why is this hard for them to do? Anti-semitism, that's why. Why are you afraid to name it?

DP. What should have Cornell have done differently here?

I'm not criticizing what Cornell did. Thankfully, law enforcement has the perpetrator. But what of the other univerisities? What is happening on campuses that has emboldened racist professors to make Jewish kids stand in a corner during class to humiliate them? Why are Jewish kids at NYU chased by a mob and told to shelter in the library? Why are hateful people screaming at Jewish students and tearing down missing person signs? Why are swastikas and nooses all over campus at Jewish organization? The climate on campus is out of control. It must not be tolerated. It is not okay. Full stop.

No one should want to see anyone suffer. I sure don't. Not the Palestinians or the Jews. Sad thing is, too many of these protests are not about Palestinans at all. Its anti-semitism and hate straight up. How can there be any hope for peace if there is so much hate and lack of basic civility or humanity? Free speech? Fine, right up until the moment it tramples the rights of others. All Americans should be concerned about this. Worst part is far too many people are sitting back, shrugging shoulders, like, oh well. Because this time it is the Jews.

I am a Cornell alum and parent, and I will criticize what Cornell did. There were a series of anti-semitic incidents on campus, preceding the horrific online threats, where the Cornell administration’s response was weak and tepid. I am not just referring to the incident with Rickford; there were others as well. An atmosphere was created that allowed people to feel comfortable to express anti-semitic views. Also, the statement that President Pollack issued after October 7 was so bad and mealy-mouthed that she had to issue a second statement almost immediately thereafter.

Another Cornell parent...I do not think any wording chosen by the Cornell President would have changed this persons actions.

Well, that’s not what I said. What I said is that Cornell has done a terrible job addressing these events, starting with Martha’s stupid letter referencing earthquake victims.

Today’s letter is a step in the right direction, but the terrible leadership of the past several weeks contributed to fostering a toxic environment in which we have seen numerous anti-semitic incidents happen, not just the greekrank posts.

DP. Thanks. I had only heard about the terrifying posts and the professor saying "exhilirating". I'll go read up about the rest.