Safe schools for a Jewish kid.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry to segway here, but can someone please explain to me what anti-Zionist means? Does it mean being against Netanyahu/Israeli policies against Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank (i.e. blockade, terrible conditions, land grabs in territories, Greater Israel, etc.) OR does it mean there should be "One Palestine" with Israel ceasing to exist as a Jewish state and reclamation of Palestinian lands in Israel proper?

Just trying to get a better understanding of the terminology being thrown around these days.

Historically speaking, antizionism was the opposition to the creation of a Jewish state. Since the establishment of Israel in 1949, it has come to be interpreted as opposition to the policies of the Israeli government, specifically with regards to its policies in the West Bank and the institutional racism towards non-Jews.

Not really. If that’s what you mean when you say it, you should rethink it. Many people are opposed to their own governments or other governments without being opposed to the right of the state to exist. I am staunchly Zionist - I believe in Israel’s right to exist. I am against many of the policies of the current Israeli government especially with regards to the West Bank. I am in favor of a Palestinian state too. Generally anti-Zionism IS antisemitism but with an “acceptable” face.

No state has an inherent "right" to exist. People do, however.

signed,

a person born in former Yugoslavia

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You’re right, but that is a different point. This discussion is about why people argue that only one state, Israel, has no right to exist.

Uhm, no. It is exactly the point. It is the whole point.

I think Israel should be a sovereign nation. But Palestinians have a right to have a nation too.

Agree. And most Israelis and Jews agree too. But Hamas does not, because they have rejected a two state solution multiple times and they are calling for the destruction of the state of Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:They’re all far safer than any Gaza school is for a Gaza kid.

Yes we know. Jewish people don’t count.

Lives that matter:

- NOT Jewish lives, sadly.

Have some perspective, please. Your Jewish kid is infinitely and unequivocally more safe at any campus here than a kid in Gaza is right now.

NP...keep your stupidity to yourself next time. Jew hater.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I'd report 75%+ of these posts for being off-topic and abusive.

Abusive? So everything you don't agree with is abusive? Don't start highly charged threads under the guise of concern if you can't stand to read the responses.

This
It is like when posts yell "troll" when they read a comment they do not like or agree with. It is so self-serving on all accounts

There are many posts "on both sides" that are off-topic/abusive and should be deleted. -PP advising OP to report thread to Jeff

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Anonymous wrote:No doubt there is a boatload of antisemitism rearing its ugly head right now but I feel like we should note the difference between antisemitism and antizionism.

Thank you for taking every opportunity to point this out, every time a Jewish person mentions antisemitism. It’s really vital to keep putting us in our place, and I’m sure you do the same thing for all minorities who experience hatred. Thanks again for your good work.

DP, but several posts on this thread have portrayed antizionist protests and statements as antisemitic, when they are different. A college professor expressing objections to the Israeli government and Israeli policy with regards to Palestinians is not being antisemitic, and yet several posts in this thread have described it that way.

Several posts in this thread have also said that there have been protests on college campuses calling for the murder or extermination of Jews. If that were true, it would indeed be a terrible thing. But it is not true. There have been protests on college campuses objecting to Israeli occupation of Gaza, arguing for both a two-state solution and in some cases for the elimination of the Jewish state. What happens is that people then extrapolate that they believe those positions and proposals would result in Jewish deaths. I agree in some cases! But that does not mean that the people making these arguments are anti-semitic. It means that they are oppose Israel, not Jews.

If you don't want people popping up in every thread explaining the difference between antizionism and antisemitism, then please stop calling people who express objections to the far right Israeli government and their concerning policies as "antisemitic."

You are too reasonable and level headed for this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry to segway here, but can someone please explain to me what anti-Zionist means? Does it mean being against Netanyahu/Israeli policies against Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank (i.e. blockade, terrible conditions, land grabs in territories, Greater Israel, etc.) OR does it mean there should be "One Palestine" with Israel ceasing to exist as a Jewish state and reclamation of Palestinian lands in Israel proper?

Just trying to get a better understanding of the terminology being thrown around these days.

Historically speaking, antizionism was the opposition to the creation of a Jewish state. Since the establishment of Israel in 1949, it has come to be interpreted as opposition to the policies of the Israeli government, specifically with regards to its policies in the West Bank and the institutional racism towards non-Jews.

Not really. If that’s what you mean when you say it, you should rethink it. Many people are opposed to their own governments or other governments without being opposed to the right of the state to exist. I am staunchly Zionist - I believe in Israel’s right to exist. I am against many of the policies of the current Israeli government especially with regards to the West Bank. I am in favor of a Palestinian state too. Generally anti-Zionism IS antisemitism but with an “acceptable” face.

No state has an inherent "right" to exist. People do, however.

signed,

a person born in former Yugoslavia

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You’re right, but that is a different point. This discussion is about why people argue that only one state, Israel, has no right to exist.

Uhm, no. It is exactly the point. It is the whole point.

I think Israel should be a sovereign nation. But Palestinians have a right to have a nation too.

Agree. And most Israelis and Jews agree too. But Hamas does not, because they have rejected a two state solution multiple times and they are calling for the destruction of the state of Israel.

It was the Fatah government in the West Bank that rejected the two state solution multiple times. Pretending to want to live side by side in peace is what they do best. Palestinian leadership doesn’t want a two state solution. They want it all. There are generations of brainwashed Palestinians who can’t understand why Israel exists and why they seem to have it so much better than they do.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools in Virginia are safe for a Jewish girl??

I just want to say I am sorry that you have to ask this question. I don’t think it is crazy FYI. I don’t have a Va answer (not any information that I am familiar with) but Catholic schools tend to be very supportive and always have had a strong Jewish community. Boston College is less churchy than Notre Dame FWIW

You mention BC but I'd emphasize that BC is Jesuit and those universities in particular are supportive and encourage communication and understanding across cultures, religions, nations.

Agree that Catholic schools are a good choice, as they all are supportive and encourage communication and understanding across cultures, religions, nations, and politics.

Re: ND in particular, Notre Dame is home to the Kroc Institute of International Peace Studies. The lecture on the current situation was standing room only. https://kroc.nd.edu/news-events/ It's statement: https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/10/an-open-letter-for-peace-from-the-kroc-institute/

ND Jewish Club: https://notredameday.nd.edu/organizations/jewish-club-of-notre-dame

Also, ND has had a longstanding program in Israel: https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/10/from-the-archives-notre-dame-in-jerusalem/

Old article on Jewish students at ND through history, including several Rabbis. https://sites.nd.edu/ndarchives/jewish-students-at-notre-dame/ adn a more recent OpEd: https://www.jewishoncampus.org/media/jewish-on-a-catholic-campus-the-joc-ambassador-programs-impact-at-notre-dame

Do non-Christians get to opt out of the two required Christian-based theology classes?
https://theology.nd.edu/about/the-university-requirement-for-theology/

Can't speak to ND but at Jesuit schools, the 2 theology course requirement is not a Christian-based theology requirement. There are many choices and are often akin to history or philosophy courses where the subject explores a particular religion or a set of religions.

I was surprised to read that the ND requirement is so focused on the New Testament.

I wonder if it was always like that or if it's become more deeply "Catholic" in recent years.

I don't think you can look at the title of the course and know what it is actually about. My DS took a class with New Testament in the title, but they actually studied Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, the geographic and historic context of the life of Jesus, and the study of how, when, and by whom the New Testament texts were written. Fascinating course.

"Courses that fulfill the foundation requirement focus on what Vatican II states to be the “permanent foundation” of theology: “the written Word of God taken together with sacred tradition,” i.e. Scripture and Tradition."

This first course in theology offers a critical study of the Bible and early Christian tradition. Following an introduction to the Old and New Testaments, students follow major post-biblical developments in Christian life and worship (e.g., liturgy, theology, doctrine, asceticism), emphasizing the first five centuries.

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Anonymous wrote:No doubt there is a boatload of antisemitism rearing its ugly head right now but I feel like we should note the difference between antisemitism and antizionism.

Thank you for taking every opportunity to point this out, every time a Jewish person mentions antisemitism. It’s really vital to keep putting us in our place, and I’m sure you do the same thing for all minorities who experience hatred. Thanks again for your good work.

DP, but several posts on this thread have portrayed antizionist protests and statements as antisemitic, when they are different. A college professor expressing objections to the Israeli government and Israeli policy with regards to Palestinians is not being antisemitic, and yet several posts in this thread have described it that way.

Several posts in this thread have also said that there have been protests on college campuses calling for the murder or extermination of Jews. If that were true, it would indeed be a terrible thing. But it is not true. There have been protests on college campuses objecting to Israeli occupation of Gaza, arguing for both a two-state solution and in some cases for the elimination of the Jewish state. What happens is that people then extrapolate that they believe those positions and proposals would result in Jewish deaths. I agree in some cases! But that does not mean that the people making these arguments are anti-semitic. It means that they are oppose Israel, not Jews.

If you don't want people popping up in every thread explaining the difference between antizionism and antisemitism, then please stop calling people who express objections to the far right Israeli government and their concerning policies as "antisemitic."

Antizionist protests and statements are antisemitic. Your assertion that they are not does not make it true.

Objections to the Israeli government and its policies are not antizionist.

Lastly, Israel does not occupy Gaza and withdrew from the settlements in 2005.

You may find an antizionist statement to be antisemitic. But there are people who do not wish any harm to Jewish people and still don't think Israel should exist, or that if it exists, and should not exist as a Jewish state. You might say, but the elimination of Israel would de facto result in harm to Jewish people. I might agree with you. But the quagmire of mideast politics does not allow for easy black and white answer to these questions.

The alignment of Jewish interests with Israeli interests is a problem for both Jews and those who support Palestinians for humanitarian reasons. Because the Israeli government currently and historically has done many terrible things in the name of preserving the Jewish state. For Zionists, these actions can be considered justified because of the hostility towards Israel in the region. Certainly Israel is not a welcome entity in the region.

The argument of the current Israeli government (and many past Israeli governments) is that their hard line and the killing of Palestinians, including many innocent civilians, is necessary to preserve the existence of the state. This is their argument, not mine. So you cannot perfectly separate anti-Zionism from opposition to the current Israeli government and its policies. That government explicitly argues that these policies are necessary to ensure the survival of a Jewish state in a hostile region. I honestly don't know if that's true or not. Does anyone?

There are very few black and white truths in this situation. But yes, a person could argue against the existence of Israel without wishing any harm to Jews. It is not a practical position, but it's a possible one. Just as it is also possible for someone to believe the existence of Israel is necessary to the the survival of the Jewish people and also argue that Israel's treatment of Palestinians is unacceptable. And it's possible to argue that Hamas is an anti-semitic terrorist organization that murders Jewish people, but also to argue that not all Palestinians who give or receive support to Hamas hate Jews -- some of them are doing it for their own protection and survival.

I know, this conversation SUCKS. It feels impossible all the time. Everything is a minefield. But trying to impose one side's black and white absolutes on the more nuanced positions of the many people caught in the middle does not resolve anything. It just heightens conflict and makes everyone less safe.

Bravo - so persuasive and eloquent. I agree with you but could never express myself so well.

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Anonymous wrote:No doubt there is a boatload of antisemitism rearing its ugly head right now but I feel like we should note the difference between antisemitism and antizionism.

Thank you for taking every opportunity to point this out, every time a Jewish person mentions antisemitism. It’s really vital to keep putting us in our place, and I’m sure you do the same thing for all minorities who experience hatred. Thanks again for your good work.

DP, but several posts on this thread have portrayed antizionist protests and statements as antisemitic, when they are different. A college professor expressing objections to the Israeli government and Israeli policy with regards to Palestinians is not being antisemitic, and yet several posts in this thread have described it that way.

Several posts in this thread have also said that there have been protests on college campuses calling for the murder or extermination of Jews. If that were true, it would indeed be a terrible thing. But it is not true. There have been protests on college campuses objecting to Israeli occupation of Gaza, arguing for both a two-state solution and in some cases for the elimination of the Jewish state. What happens is that people then extrapolate that they believe those positions and proposals would result in Jewish deaths. I agree in some cases! But that does not mean that the people making these arguments are anti-semitic. It means that they are oppose Israel, not Jews.

If you don't want people popping up in every thread explaining the difference between antizionism and antisemitism, then please stop calling people who express objections to the far right Israeli government and their concerning policies as "antisemitic."

You are too reasonable and level headed for this thread.

Except there was no occupation of Gaza since 2005, Palestinian leadership never wanted a two state solution, and the term from “The River to the Sea” means expulsion of the Jews. When you start with a premise that is incorrect factually, the rest of your commentary is void. Once again it’s the western values of some well meaning sympathizers who can’t understand the tribal mentality of middle eastern Arabic culture.

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Anonymous wrote:No doubt there is a boatload of antisemitism rearing its ugly head right now but I feel like we should note the difference between antisemitism and antizionism.

Thank you for taking every opportunity to point this out, every time a Jewish person mentions antisemitism. It’s really vital to keep putting us in our place, and I’m sure you do the same thing for all minorities who experience hatred. Thanks again for your good work.

DP, but several posts on this thread have portrayed antizionist protests and statements as antisemitic, when they are different. A college professor expressing objections to the Israeli government and Israeli policy with regards to Palestinians is not being antisemitic, and yet several posts in this thread have described it that way.

Several posts in this thread have also said that there have been protests on college campuses calling for the murder or extermination of Jews. If that were true, it would indeed be a terrible thing. But it is not true. There have been protests on college campuses objecting to Israeli occupation of Gaza, arguing for both a two-state solution and in some cases for the elimination of the Jewish state. What happens is that people then extrapolate that they believe those positions and proposals would result in Jewish deaths. I agree in some cases! But that does not mean that the people making these arguments are anti-semitic. It means that they are oppose Israel, not Jews.

If you don't want people popping up in every thread explaining the difference between antizionism and antisemitism, then please stop calling people who express objections to the far right Israeli government and their concerning policies as "antisemitic."

You are too reasonable and level headed for this thread.

Except there was no occupation of Gaza since 2005, Palestinian leadership never wanted a two state solution, and the term from “The River to the Sea” means expulsion of the Jews. When you start with a premise that is incorrect factually, the rest of your commentary is void. Once again it’s the western values of some well meaning sympathizers who can’t understand the tribal mentality of middle eastern Arabic culture.

Which is also deeply patronizing to Palestinians. The fact that the OP asked a question about Jews in America and that this conversation has gone to this, is kind of the whole point.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry to segway here, but can someone please explain to me what anti-Zionist means? Does it mean being against Netanyahu/Israeli policies against Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank (i.e. blockade, terrible conditions, land grabs in territories, Greater Israel, etc.) OR does it mean there should be "One Palestine" with Israel ceasing to exist as a Jewish state and reclamation of Palestinian lands in Israel proper?

Just trying to get a better understanding of the terminology being thrown around these days.

Historically speaking, antizionism was the opposition to the creation of a Jewish state. Since the establishment of Israel in 1949, it has come to be interpreted as opposition to the policies of the Israeli government, specifically with regards to its policies in the West Bank and the institutional racism towards non-Jews.

Not really. If that’s what you mean when you say it, you should rethink it. Many people are opposed to their own governments or other governments without being opposed to the right of the state to exist. I am staunchly Zionist - I believe in Israel’s right to exist. I am against many of the policies of the current Israeli government especially with regards to the West Bank. I am in favor of a Palestinian state too. Generally anti-Zionism IS antisemitism but with an “acceptable” face.

No state has an inherent "right" to exist. People do, however.

signed,

a person born in former Yugoslavia

+1

You’re right, but that is a different point. This discussion is about why people argue that only one state, Israel, has no right to exist.

Uhm, no. It is exactly the point. It is the whole point.

I think Israel should be a sovereign nation. But Palestinians have a right to have a nation too.

Agree. And most Israelis and Jews agree too. But Hamas does not, because they have rejected a two state solution multiple times and they are calling for the destruction of the state of Israel.

It was the Fatah government in the West Bank that rejected the two state solution multiple times. Pretending to want to live side by side in peace is what they do best. Palestinian leadership doesn’t want a two state solution. They want it all. There are generations of brainwashed Palestinians who can’t understand why Israel exists and why they seem to have it so much better than they do.

And Jewish people are not brainwashed in the same way in defense of Israel? Why do you think any criticism of Israel is viewed instantly as antisemitism?

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And back to the actual question, looks like UMD is a good choice:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzE-Zq0rfUQ/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

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Just trying to get a better understanding of the terminology being thrown around these days.

Historically speaking, antizionism was the opposition to the creation of a Jewish state. Since the establishment of Israel in 1949, it has come to be interpreted as opposition to the policies of the Israeli government, specifically with regards to its policies in the West Bank and the institutional racism towards non-Jews.

Not really. If that’s what you mean when you say it, you should rethink it. Many people are opposed to their own governments or other governments without being opposed to the right of the state to exist. I am staunchly Zionist - I believe in Israel’s right to exist. I am against many of the policies of the current Israeli government especially with regards to the West Bank. I am in favor of a Palestinian state too. Generally anti-Zionism IS antisemitism but with an “acceptable” face.

No state has an inherent "right" to exist. People do, however.

signed,

a person born in former Yugoslavia

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You’re right, but that is a different point. This discussion is about why people argue that only one state, Israel, has no right to exist.

Uhm, no. It is exactly the point. It is the whole point.

I think Israel should be a sovereign nation. But Palestinians have a right to have a nation too.

Agree. And most Israelis and Jews agree too. But Hamas does not, because they have rejected a two state solution multiple times and they are calling for the destruction of the state of Israel.

It was the Fatah government in the West Bank that rejected the two state solution multiple times. Pretending to want to live side by side in peace is what they do best. Palestinian leadership doesn’t want a two state solution. They want it all. There are generations of brainwashed Palestinians who can’t understand why Israel exists and why they seem to have it so much better than they do.

And Jewish people are not brainwashed in the same way in defense of Israel? Why do you think any criticism of Israel is viewed instantly as antisemitism?

I don’t know how many times people have to say this to you but you aren’t listening. Israel has offered a two state solution multiple times. Most Israelis and most Jews worldwide support a two state solution. What they don’t support is a one state solution that eliminates the state of Israel, i.e. they don’t support their own destruction.
Criticism of Israel doesn’t have to be antisemitic but when it is anti-Zionist, it probably is antisemitic.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools in Virginia are safe for a Jewish girl??

Everyone understands concerns of an anxious parent but ALL VIRGINIA schools are safe for any Jewish or Muslim girl or boy or binary person. Don't let your anxiety and conspiracy theories drive critical life decisions of your young adults.

All? You'd send your Jewish daughter to Liberty? Safety isn't just physical.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s the perspective of myself and several Jewish people I know. We are horrified by the October 7 terrorist attacks. We are also horrified by the loss of life of innocent Palestinians. We are not safe in a world with Hamas and they are hiding in Gaza behind innocent civilians. This is a no-win situation. We want more humanitarian aid for the people of Gaza. We don’t understand why Egypt isn’t allowing Palestinians through the Rafa crossing and Muslim countries aren’t allowing them to immigrate. We believe Palestinians have the right to live in peace and would like to see Hamas wiped out and then have those Palestinians seeking peace return to live a safer and better life. We find it difficult to hear students saying innocent Israelis had this coming but that is the official stance of these groups protesting. I would never ever say innocent Palestinians had anything coming. Every innocent life is valuable. Every single one. What my kids have a problem with is the hate crimes around their campus. People targeting others purely for their religion. People defacing their dorm room doors with offensive images and language. They do not feel safe.

I'm also Jewish and these are my sentiments exactly.

I wish people would stop thinking they need to "choose a side" between the Israeli government's appalling treatment of Palestinians and Hamas's terrorism. The US government had a hand in this too, and I don't see anyone condemning themselves for the loss of life on either side.

+1 and well said

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like Cornell was targeted because it has a high Jewish population (about 20%) but would you want your child at a school with very few Jewish students instead? Online posts (as terrible as they are) would not stop me from sending my child to a particular school. We know that bad things happen all over the US to ordinary people doing things we all do.

--Parent of Current Cornell student

I was quite surprised to learn that 22% of the Cornell students are Jewish. It means that about 2/3 of their white students are Jewish, which makes the non-Jewish whites an URM.

What? You are assuming all of their Jewish students are white.

My Jewish Children(college age) are bi-racial.

All Sephardim fall under BIPOC.

Really?