NWLL baseball scandal

Anonymous
I love the draft the teams then random draw the head coaches idea. It eliminates so many of the sketchy draft and pre draft evaluation shenanigans. Drafting all 12, then trading the coach’s kid (or kids) with the equivalent drafted player on the coach’s assigned team makes the most sense. Assistant coaches go with the player.

It would never get approved because it takes the power away from the coaches.
Anonymous
Parent in another league in DC and glad that the rampant cheating, esp with the umpires, is being called out. The rules were always different when we played NWLL and the responsible parents/coaches let it go rather than be bad sports
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let's just be clear that it's hard for a kid--however talented--to get good pitching time if he is not the coach's kid.


Are you saying that Coaches are not putting talented pitchers on the mound in LL? Just their own kid?

I find this hard to believe, especially with the number of innings needed to cover during a season.


I was not a coach and my kids pitched a lot, including closing out championship games. That said, but for one year, we had great coaches including dads and independent coaches. Still, the idea about building teams first and assigning coaches later makes a ton of sense.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Anyone google these lawyers? Looks like one of them tried to avoid child support, despite making a ridiculous amount of money. Upstanding individuals?


Did you provide names of GA grand jury too? Jesus, you NW parents know no bounds when finally caught in your cheating.

Grow up, your kids very likely aren't making the MLB either. Especially if they see you cheating to get them an advantage.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let's just be clear that it's hard for a kid--however talented--to get good pitching time if he is not the coach's kid.


Are you saying that Coaches are not putting talented pitchers on the mound in LL? Just their own kid?

I find this hard to believe, especially with the number of innings needed to cover during a season.


I have seen this once, and it happened to be with my own kid. He was 11 and playing majors. Pitched ONE inning during regular season play. Was #1 pitcher on 11s all star team that same summer (and #1 pitcher on his 11u fall travel team) and truly would have been the 2nd best pitcher on this team (behind a strong 12yo). The coach pitched the good 12yo and then all the weak 12s (including his own son) who could not even throw 50% strikes.

We certainly did not ask, but was probably an age thing- priority to 12s-which is fine to a degree- but the walkfests got a bit old. I think the team won one game all season. One time, the coach’s son walked nearly 10 kids before he was pulled. In majors! The coach did not care about winning at all, and was one of those who evenly rotated every kid into every position.

That said, the arm rest was definitely great for my own kid. At 11, the innings really should be widely distributed regardless - this coach took it a bit to the extreme however! Honestly if your kid can pitch, and is not getting innings in a particular season, it is a blessing in disguise TBH. So many kids turn up with arm troubles at 12-13.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I love the draft the teams then random draw the head coaches idea. It eliminates so many of the sketchy draft and pre draft evaluation shenanigans. Drafting all 12, then trading the coach’s kid (or kids) with the equivalent drafted player on the coach’s assigned team makes the most sense. Assistant coaches go with the player.

It would never get approved because it takes the power away from the coaches.


Agreed. I do think coaches enjoy the drafting process and forming their own teams- (as a reward for their volunteer efforts), and often preferences are totally innocent (taking their kids friends, or kids they have enjoyed coaching in the past, in the appropriate draft position). However, the coaches who abuse the process- even if just a small minority- ruin it for all the kids.
Anonymous
Having coached in Capital City Little League for eight years, there is nothing new about these dust-ups. - In the run up to the 1999 finals in DC (the winner was to go to the regionals in Connecticut), Northwest LL filed a protest with Little League, accusing two of our key players of being "out of boundaries" I was co-coaching Capital City tournament team, and as the lawyer coach, I had to respond to these accusations. But I did so in short letter, I never circulated my letter or the letter written by NW (of course a lawyer) and Little League quickly resolved the dust-up in our favor.

We beat Northwest in the finals and then had a great run in the regionals, losing in extra innings the deciding game to the Toms River New Jersey team that went on to win the tournament. Our kids had a gas, and many went on to play baseball or other sports in high school and college. One of our outfielders was a 5th round draft choice by the Rays. That is the right story for youth sports.

This year's story is a bonfire of vanities. The nastiness of the story will have a long tale; there are no heroes here, just angry combatants who have lost sight that what matters here are the kids, not the egos of parents. The 1999 dust up resulted in lots of hard feelings, which still sting to this day. This dust up will continue to reverberate at least as long.

One point of youth athletics is to instill in kids the virtue of hard work, fair play and kindness to others. Something is seriously amiss in Northwest Little League when laundry this dirty is aired to all. Where is the virtue here? And where are the real grown ups? And what lessons does this scorched earth fight teach kids? Nothing good will come of this. All so sad.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Having coached in Capital City Little League for eight years, there is nothing new about these dust-ups. - In the run up to the 1999 finals in DC (the winner was to go to the regionals in Connecticut), Northwest LL filed a protest with Little League, accusing two of our key players of being "out of boundaries" I was co-coaching Capital City tournament team, and as the lawyer coach, I had to respond to these accusations. But I did so in short letter, I never circulated my letter or the letter written by NW (of course a lawyer) and Little League quickly resolved the dust-up in our favor.

We beat Northwest in the finals and then had a great run in the regionals, losing in extra innings the deciding game to the Toms River New Jersey team that went on to win the tournament. Our kids had a gas, and many went on to play baseball or other sports in high school and college. One of our outfielders was a 5th round draft choice by the Rays. That is the right story for youth sports.

This year's story is a bonfire of vanities. The nastiness of the story will have a long tale; there are no heroes here, just angry combatants who have lost sight that what matters here are the kids, not the egos of parents. The 1999 dust up resulted in lots of hard feelings, which still sting to this day. This dust up will continue to reverberate at least as long.

One point of youth athletics is to instill in kids the virtue of hard work, fair play and kindness to others. Something is seriously amiss in Northwest Little League when laundry this dirty is aired to all. Where is the virtue here? And where are the real grown ups? And what lessons does this scorched earth fight teach kids? Nothing good will come of this. All so sad.


So what should someone do if there is dirty laundry but addressing it discreetly falls on ears-in-denial?
Anonymous
Do what these two whistleblowers did. The right thing. Bring the dark into the light.
Anonymous
NWLL parents are one of the many reasons I am glad I have never lived in AU Park. This story just reeks of the people I have met from there.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I love the draft the teams then random draw the head coaches idea. It eliminates so many of the sketchy draft and pre draft evaluation shenanigans. Drafting all 12, then trading the coach’s kid (or kids) with the equivalent drafted player on the coach’s assigned team makes the most sense. Assistant coaches go with the player.

It would never get approved because it takes the power away from the coaches.


Agreed. I do think coaches enjoy the drafting process and forming their own teams- (as a reward for their volunteer efforts), and often preferences are totally innocent (taking their kids friends, or kids they have enjoyed coaching in the past, in the appropriate draft position). However, the coaches who abuse the process- even if just a small minority- ruin it for all the kids.


Sorry, but the motives are almost always to get a competitive advantage and not innocent. It’s not egregious, but it’s constant and annoying as hell.

Ironically the best time I had coaching was when I didn’t have a kid on the team. I could just ignore all the “innocent” pleas about how Johnny won’t play if he can’t play with Jimmy who is his best friend. I love the “I really enjoyed coaching Jimmy” and find out he is a star player…yeah no s**t you enjoyed coaching him.

I had one parent thank me for drafting his kid so they could get away from Jimmy and his family…you know…the best friends.

Anonymous
The one I saw with a backbone was the commissioner who stepped down from the position when the League would not back him with the umpire issue.
Umpires threatening 9 year olds? And NWLL leadership did nothing?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The one I saw with a backbone was the commissioner who stepped down from the position when the League would not back him with the umpire issue.
Umpires threatening 9 year olds? And NWLL leadership did nothing?


Who was that?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:NWLL parents are one of the many reasons I am glad I have never lived in AU Park. This story just reeks of the people I have met from there.

The NWLL boundaries are very large. It covers Foggy Bottom, Dupont, Georgetown, Palisades, Glover Park, Spring Valley, Wesley Heights, City Center, parts of Kalorama, Woodly Park, Cleveland Park and AU Park.
And anyone who goes to school in this area is allowed to register for NWLL as well: NPS, St. Pats, Holy Trinity, BSW, Aidan Montessori, Beauvoir, The Lab School of Washington, OLV, Annunciation, the River School and I am sure I left schools out.

But I if you feel great about slamming AU Park - go to town.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NWLL parents are one of the many reasons I am glad I have never lived in AU Park. This story just reeks of the people I have met from there.

The NWLL boundaries are very large. It covers Foggy Bottom, Dupont, Georgetown, Palisades, Glover Park, Spring Valley, Wesley Heights, City Center, parts of Kalorama, Woodly Park, Cleveland Park and AU Park.
And anyone who goes to school in this area is allowed to register for NWLL as well: NPS, St. Pats, Holy Trinity, BSW, Aidan Montessori, Beauvoir, The Lab School of Washington, OLV, Annunciation, the River School and I am sure I left schools out.

But I if you feel great about slamming AU Park - go to town.


I am pretty sure DuPont and Foggy Bottom are Banneker. However, it is a large boundary.
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