NWLL baseball scandal

[Anonymous]

Just wanted to chime in with support for the dad coaches. My son has played for 7 years now and his coaching, including at least three sets of dads, has been outstanding. We did have one season with a dad who only let his son pitch and had mine on the bench the whole time, but that was a stark contrast with the other coaches. As for the rest, can’t speak to it, but my kid has never been a favored all start type.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cap City parents shouldn’t get too high and mighty here. Same stuff happens there too. If one team goes undefeated over an entire season (as happened in AAA), it ought to cause everyone to realize the teams were not fairly drafted.

In my kids’ league the draft is relatively fair, but every.single.year. there tends to be a coach who doesn’t know the kids well, or even try to do a bit of research ahead of time. Just drafts kids he knows from the neighborhood etc, or bases on quick evaluation. That team always ends up being just awful. Seriously, every single year without fail, it seems to happen, and the kids on that team have a bad experience. No idea how to prevent…

Yeah…this is the problem. For some reason you have a coach selecting kids in the first round (often against the advice of other coaches) who are like 11th round picks because they are buddies of their kids.

The coaches aren’t bad people, but not the best coaches. It is hard to get people to coach, so no LL is going to replace a good person just because they are a bad coach. However, you get plenty of parents grumbling when they are on a team that loses all the time.

One idea that gets floated is that coaches don’t select their own teams…they collectively populate all the teams in the league and then are randomly assigned each team (and their kid is on that team). In theory, no one will try to game a team because you don’t know which is yours until picking numbers from a hat.

Of course, most coaches vote against this approach. Would require the league to formally adopt these draft rules and force coaches to use.

That’s not a bad idea. Another thought is to not allow school specific teams to register. I’ve seen this for many years where elementary school X has like 3 de facto school based teams. It’s fine and fun in the early years but as skill differences emerge in AA and beyond it gets awkward to not promote less skilled kids to AAA and majors when their friends are ready to move up. So what ends up happening is that more skilled kids who do not have a large school cohort get left behind in lower leagues and their growth gets stunted or they eventually leave out of frustration.

[Anonymous]

Could these two high powered lawyers be liable for slandering these individuals? Just curious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Could these two high powered lawyers be liable for slandering these individuals? Just curious.

There is nothing slanderous…there are 46 pages of supporting documentation. If it was determined they manufactured all that support (which is doubtful), that would be a different matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cap City parents shouldn’t get too high and mighty here. Same stuff happens there too. If one team goes undefeated over an entire season (as happened in AAA), it ought to cause everyone to realize the teams were not fairly drafted.

In my kids’ league the draft is relatively fair, but every.single.year. there tends to be a coach who doesn’t know the kids well, or even try to do a bit of research ahead of time. Just drafts kids he knows from the neighborhood etc, or bases on quick evaluation. That team always ends up being just awful. Seriously, every single year without fail, it seems to happen, and the kids on that team have a bad experience. No idea how to prevent…

Yeah…this is the problem. For some reason you have a coach selecting kids in the first round (often against the advice of other coaches) who are like 11th round picks because they are buddies of their kids.

The coaches aren’t bad people, but not the best coaches. It is hard to get people to coach, so no LL is going to replace a good person just because they are a bad coach. However, you get plenty of parents grumbling when they are on a team that loses all the time.

One idea that gets floated is that coaches don’t select their own teams…they collectively populate all the teams in the league and then are randomly assigned each team (and their kid is on that team). In theory, no one will try to game a team because you don’t know which is yours until picking numbers from a hat.

Of course, most coaches vote against this approach. Would require the league to formally adopt these draft rules and force coaches to use.

This is a great idea. Only issue is keeping kids with coach parents but I am sure that could be dealt with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cap City parents shouldn’t get too high and mighty here. Same stuff happens there too. If one team goes undefeated over an entire season (as happened in AAA), it ought to cause everyone to realize the teams were not fairly drafted.

In my kids’ league the draft is relatively fair, but every.single.year. there tends to be a coach who doesn’t know the kids well, or even try to do a bit of research ahead of time. Just drafts kids he knows from the neighborhood etc, or bases on quick evaluation. That team always ends up being just awful. Seriously, every single year without fail, it seems to happen, and the kids on that team have a bad experience. No idea how to prevent…

Yeah…this is the problem. For some reason you have a coach selecting kids in the first round (often against the advice of other coaches) who are like 11th round picks because they are buddies of their kids.

The coaches aren’t bad people, but not the best coaches. It is hard to get people to coach, so no LL is going to replace a good person just because they are a bad coach. However, you get plenty of parents grumbling when they are on a team that loses all the time.

One idea that gets floated is that coaches don’t select their own teams…they collectively populate all the teams in the league and then are randomly assigned each team (and their kid is on that team). In theory, no one will try to game a team because you don’t know which is yours until picking numbers from a hat.

Of course, most coaches vote against this approach. Would require the league to formally adopt these draft rules and force coaches to use.

This is a great idea. Only issue is keeping kids with coach parents but I am sure that could be dealt with.

Once the teams are formed, each coach should trade back for their own kid. No other trades allowed. Choose assistant coach from the parents of the kids on your team- no coach pairings allowed.

Our league had a lot of trouble with coach pairings- for example, the dads of the top two pitchers would pair up to coach. Ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cap City parents shouldn’t get too high and mighty here. Same stuff happens there too. If one team goes undefeated over an entire season (as happened in AAA), it ought to cause everyone to realize the teams were not fairly drafted.

In my kids’ league the draft is relatively fair, but every.single.year. there tends to be a coach who doesn’t know the kids well, or even try to do a bit of research ahead of time. Just drafts kids he knows from the neighborhood etc, or bases on quick evaluation. That team always ends up being just awful. Seriously, every single year without fail, it seems to happen, and the kids on that team have a bad experience. No idea how to prevent…

Yeah…this is the problem. For some reason you have a coach selecting kids in the first round (often against the advice of other coaches) who are like 11th round picks because they are buddies of their kids.

The coaches aren’t bad people, but not the best coaches. It is hard to get people to coach, so no LL is going to replace a good person just because they are a bad coach. However, you get plenty of parents grumbling when they are on a team that loses all the time.

One idea that gets floated is that coaches don’t select their own teams…they collectively populate all the teams in the league and then are randomly assigned each team (and their kid is on that team). In theory, no one will try to game a team because you don’t know which is yours until picking numbers from a hat.

Of course, most coaches vote against this approach. Would require the league to formally adopt these draft rules and force coaches to use.

This is a great idea. Only issue is keeping kids with coach parents but I am sure that could be dealt with.

Once the teams are formed, each coach should trade back for their own kid. No other trades allowed. Choose assistant coach from the parents of the kids on your team- no coach pairings allowed.

Our league had a lot of trouble with coach pairings- for example, the dads of the top two pitchers would pair up to coach. Ridiculous.

The idea was if you have 12 kid team, then you assign 11 to each team, randomly assign to coaches and then their kid makes for 12.

The only issue is if the coach’s kid is a top pick on their own. You have to solve for a team that now has two first round picks…it works if another coach has a 10th round pick (and you trade). Solvable problem, but just some mechanics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cap City parents shouldn’t get too high and mighty here. Same stuff happens there too. If one team goes undefeated over an entire season (as happened in AAA), it ought to cause everyone to realize the teams were not fairly drafted.

In my kids’ league the draft is relatively fair, but every.single.year. there tends to be a coach who doesn’t know the kids well, or even try to do a bit of research ahead of time. Just drafts kids he knows from the neighborhood etc, or bases on quick evaluation. That team always ends up being just awful. Seriously, every single year without fail, it seems to happen, and the kids on that team have a bad experience. No idea how to prevent…

Yeah…this is the problem. For some reason you have a coach selecting kids in the first round (often against the advice of other coaches) who are like 11th round picks because they are buddies of their kids.

The coaches aren’t bad people, but not the best coaches. It is hard to get people to coach, so no LL is going to replace a good person just because they are a bad coach. However, you get plenty of parents grumbling when they are on a team that loses all the time.

One idea that gets floated is that coaches don’t select their own teams…they collectively populate all the teams in the league and then are randomly assigned each team (and their kid is on that team). In theory, no one will try to game a team because you don’t know which is yours until picking numbers from a hat.

Of course, most coaches vote against this approach. Would require the league to formally adopt these draft rules and force coaches to use.

That’s not a bad idea. Another thought is to not allow school specific teams to register. I’ve seen this for many years where elementary school X has like 3 de facto school based teams. It’s fine and fun in the early years but as skill differences emerge in AA and beyond it gets awkward to not promote less skilled kids to AAA and majors when their friends are ready to move up. So what ends up happening is that more skilled kids who do not have a large school cohort get left behind in lower leagues and their growth gets stunted or they eventually leave out of frustration.

ugh- yes I have seen that happen also. The more skilled kids without a “tribe” also never end up on the teams with good/experienced coaches…often 2 good coaches pair up with their 2 skilled sons and fill in with the kids they have been coaching for years.. repeat for each team. A skilled kid with a non-coach parent usually ends up drafted 1 or 2 on “the stinky team” year after year, to even things out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cap City parents shouldn’t get too high and mighty here. Same stuff happens there too. If one team goes undefeated over an entire season (as happened in AAA), it ought to cause everyone to realize the teams were not fairly drafted.

In my kids’ league the draft is relatively fair, but every.single.year. there tends to be a coach who doesn’t know the kids well, or even try to do a bit of research ahead of time. Just drafts kids he knows from the neighborhood etc, or bases on quick evaluation. That team always ends up being just awful. Seriously, every single year without fail, it seems to happen, and the kids on that team have a bad experience. No idea how to prevent…

Yeah…this is the problem. For some reason you have a coach selecting kids in the first round (often against the advice of other coaches) who are like 11th round picks because they are buddies of their kids.

The coaches aren’t bad people, but not the best coaches. It is hard to get people to coach, so no LL is going to replace a good person just because they are a bad coach. However, you get plenty of parents grumbling when they are on a team that loses all the time.

One idea that gets floated is that coaches don’t select their own teams…they collectively populate all the teams in the league and then are randomly assigned each team (and their kid is on that team). In theory, no one will try to game a team because you don’t know which is yours until picking numbers from a hat.

Of course, most coaches vote against this approach. Would require the league to formally adopt these draft rules and force coaches to use.

This is a great idea. Only issue is keeping kids with coach parents but I am sure that could be dealt with.

Once the teams are formed, each coach should trade back for their own kid. No other trades allowed. Choose assistant coach from the parents of the kids on your team- no coach pairings allowed.

Our league had a lot of trouble with coach pairings- for example, the dads of the top two pitchers would pair up to coach. Ridiculous.

The idea was if you have 12 kid team, then you assign 11 to each team, randomly assign to coaches and then their kid makes for 12.

The only issue is if the coach’s kid is a top pick on their own. You have to solve for a team that now has two first round picks…it works if another coach has a 10th round pick (and you trade). Solvable problem, but just some mechanics.

I think the best way to be to draft teams of 12 (including coach sons), throw the teams in a hat and each coach gets the team he gets. If his son is not on his team (likely), then he must trade the coach who has his son. If his son is a 1st round pick, then he must give the other coach his first round pick, to get his son back. This would have to be done publicly in front of the group.

[Anonymous]

One of my kids ended up on a team with two really good players/coach’s kids. He was also a very good player BUT the equalizer was that all 3 boys were much younger than the other better players. Coaches did a very good job and the young team out performed teams with kids as much as a year or 18 months older. It was probably a good thing that the age cut off was changed from May 1 to Sept 1 but all 3 of those boys missed getting that extra year that a lot of the would be NWLL hotshots took advantage of (and acted like it was their skill and not physical maturity that lead to their success.) Watching 11 year olds beat 13 year olds was kind of fun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cap City parents shouldn’t get too high and mighty here. Same stuff happens there too. If one team goes undefeated over an entire season (as happened in AAA), it ought to cause everyone to realize the teams were not fairly drafted.

In my kids’ league the draft is relatively fair, but every.single.year. there tends to be a coach who doesn’t know the kids well, or even try to do a bit of research ahead of time. Just drafts kids he knows from the neighborhood etc, or bases on quick evaluation. That team always ends up being just awful. Seriously, every single year without fail, it seems to happen, and the kids on that team have a bad experience. No idea how to prevent…

Yeah…this is the problem. For some reason you have a coach selecting kids in the first round (often against the advice of other coaches) who are like 11th round picks because they are buddies of their kids.

The coaches aren’t bad people, but not the best coaches. It is hard to get people to coach, so no LL is going to replace a good person just because they are a bad coach. However, you get plenty of parents grumbling when they are on a team that loses all the time.

One idea that gets floated is that coaches don’t select their own teams…they collectively populate all the teams in the league and then are randomly assigned each team (and their kid is on that team). In theory, no one will try to game a team because you don’t know which is yours until picking numbers from a hat.

Of course, most coaches vote against this approach. Would require the league to formally adopt these draft rules and force coaches to use.

This is a great idea. Only issue is keeping kids with coach parents but I am sure that could be dealt with.

Once the teams are formed, each coach should trade back for their own kid. No other trades allowed. Choose assistant coach from the parents of the kids on your team- no coach pairings allowed.

Our league had a lot of trouble with coach pairings- for example, the dads of the top two pitchers would pair up to coach. Ridiculous.

The idea was if you have 12 kid team, then you assign 11 to each team, randomly assign to coaches and then their kid makes for 12.

The only issue is if the coach’s kid is a top pick on their own. You have to solve for a team that now has two first round picks…it works if another coach has a 10th round pick (and you trade). Solvable problem, but just some mechanics.

I think the best way to be to draft teams of 12 (including coach sons), throw the teams in a hat and each coach gets the team he gets. If his son is not on his team (likely), then he must trade the coach who has his son. If his son is a 1st round pick, then he must give the other coach his first round pick, to get his son back. This would have to be done publicly in front of the group.

This sounds to smart and easy to be implemented. Great idea. For the kids, I hope it happens.

[Anonymous]

Let's just be clear that it's hard for a kid--however talented--to get good pitching time if he is not the coach's kid.

[Anonymous]

Did the lawyers kids make the all star team?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's just be clear that it's hard for a kid--however talented--to get good pitching time if he is not the coach's kid.

Are you saying that Coaches are not putting talented pitchers on the mound in LL? Just their own kid?

I find this hard to believe, especially with the number of innings needed to cover during a season.

[Anonymous]

Anyone google these lawyers? Looks like one of them tried to avoid child support, despite making a ridiculous amount of money. Upstanding individuals?