UPS TO pay drivers $170,000

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This is great!

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like more like $100,000.

Who cares? I’m a teacher so I will earn if I move from teaching to ups driving.

Great! Go for it!
Literally no one and nothing is stopping you.

Oh but of course the PP doesn’t really mean it. I’m sure driving a package delivery truck is beneath them. I mean this is such worthless, unskilled labor we’re talking about. How dare these drivers make a wage comparable to any white color job.

Also, I find it interesting that according to so many other posters on DCUM, knowledge workers getting promotions and increased perks like flexible hours/remote work, is just the economy at play valuing their skill set. But when a subset of industry workers realize there is a demand for their labor (and let’s be real, customers expect someone reliable, coherent, and sober to safely drive and actually deliver their packages on time too), then the wage increase is the result of mafia like negotiating. :eyeroll:

I’m the teacher and I do mean it. I do manual labor all the time. I installed our kitchen, I lug stuff around the house all the time. I like being outside and doing things. I’m a married woman btw. I have always thought if I were to quit I would want to try usps on a walking route. Keeps you for active and outside. I hate office work, it isn’t a good match for me.

BUT to those posters who believe that society pays for necessary jobs it is untrue. Society pays for jobs that are typically male labor and does not value traditional work as much. That said people were a little unhappy when schools were closed for covid. Capitalism doesn’t work without strong regulation and even then it still operates within the framework of tradition.

Those who have been traditionally left out: poc, women remain left out by capitalism because the work they traditionally do IS less valued. It is less valued precisely because the people who traditionally held those jobs are less valued within our male white focused society. It isn’t that the job isn’t important. It is because we decided white men were like gentry and then we over valued white collar jobs within our society.

Capitalism won’t fix that until people change their views.

So maybe I will stop teaching preschool in the county schools and start working for UPS. At the very least I will dream about it.

This is an argument for people in those undervalued fields to unionize and fight for better conditions. It’s not a reason to demand UPS drivers make less money.

The UPS strike got a lot of national and government attention because the workers have a male, white, joe the plumber image. These are the people that work "hard" /s. Striking home health aides will not get this type of attention. And no, UPS workers do not deserve to make more than home health aides.

They need to get a union.

you are missing the nuance--national advocacy is important as well.

NP and it's totally about the union. Fed Ex workers (same white Joe plumber types) doing basically the same job have a far less favorable setup where the Company subcontracts out deliveries and those drivers are paid far less.

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The median salary for a pediatrician is $190k:

https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes291221.htm


So you’re telling me there’s only a $20k delta between a UPS truck driver that has obtained no skills and no education vs a children’s doctor that has a bachelor’s degree, a medical school degree, and post-MD training on top of needing to be board certified? Ridiculous. Oh and with the $300k in med school debt.

They’re overpaying the drivers by a lot. FedEx pays way less. It’s going to crush UPS once this is reflected in the prices.

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Anonymous wrote:The median salary for a pediatrician is $190k:

https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes291221.htm


So you’re telling me there’s only a $20k delta between a UPS truck driver that has obtained no skills and no education vs a children’s doctor that has a bachelor’s degree, a medical school degree, and post-MD training on top of needing to be board certified? Ridiculous. Oh and with the $300k in med school debt.

They’re overpaying the drivers by a lot. FedEx pays way less. It’s going to crush UPS once this is reflected in the prices.

You are so clueless about the job market.

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Anonymous wrote:This should be exhibit A whenever people try to tell you that unions are a bad thing.

Come back when ups raises its delivery costs to reflect this generous compensation package. I doubt you’ll be touting how great this is when the t shirt gift to Timmy costs you 35.00 to ship.

Yup. People are cheering it.

Wait until all of this gross wage inflation gets passed to consumers. It will be runaway wage driven inflation.

It took you 35 working years for you to save and your 401k to become worth $2M? Ooopps too bad, that $2M now worthless because wage inflation has ruined your entire life's savings.

I dunno, my life feels very similar to how it did the last time UPS workers negotiated a bigger salary for full-time employees. The Chicago school has done an impressive job making labor movements the cause for any and all ills in our society.

+1 it is so stupid to say suggest that the entire cost of this will be passed on to consumers and cause a wage-price spiral which hurts workers, especially when a) UPS says it is cutting its revenue forecasts sharply in the article and b) there is ample evidence from the last couple of years that inflation has been caused by firms sticking with high prices they pushed on us from supply chain problems even after those problems are gone.

Basically it’s Panglossian view that says workers should be glad with whatever crumbs management is willing to give them.

Labor costs always get passed on to consumers. You're just an idiot to think otherwise.

Wait until there's a recession or economic slowdown. They will be forced to increase prices are margins become compressed due to rising labor costs. Labor is always the most expensive cost. Price increase will come.

So who should get a good wage then? No one?

Skilled workers, workers with education, entrepreneurs, business owners. Just being a slab of meat to do hardwork shouldn't mean a high salary. Picking up trash is hard work. Roofing is hard work. Junk hauling is hard work. Landscaping is hard work.

You gonna pay them $170k too? Hard work does not automatically mean valuable work.

And yet the world would shut down without UPS. How do you think hospitals get supplies for their neurosurgeons to use? Carrier pigeon?

Meh, just bust up the union. You can go grab migrants to drive a truck and drop off packages for 1/4th the cost. That’s the point. There’s very little valuable skills or educational requirements that would preclude any Joe Schmo on the street from doing the job.

You clearly don’t know about the job. Do you feel that way about big rig drivers too?

It doesn’t take genius level intellect to follow gps, drive a truck and drop of packages. They can automate 90% of the process and fill in the meat needed to drop off packages using migrant labor. Migrant labor already drives big trucks on our roads everywhere for doing construction and landscaping. It isn’t hard. Just use them for driving package trucks. Amazon drivers don’t have any special skills dropping off packages. UPS could switch to that model too.

Wow! You solved it! What a great idea that I’m sure UPS just didn’t think of.

Stupid gonna stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:The median salary for a pediatrician is $190k:

https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes291221.htm


So you’re telling me there’s only a $20k delta between a UPS truck driver that has obtained no skills and no education vs a children’s doctor that has a bachelor’s degree, a medical school degree, and post-MD training on top of needing to be board certified? Ridiculous. Oh and with the $300k in med school debt.

They’re overpaying the drivers by a lot. FedEx pays way less. It’s going to crush UPS once this is reflected in the prices.

You are so clueless about the job market.

Not really:

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/FedEx-Freight-Road-Driver-Salaries-E15813_D_KO14,25.htm

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Anonymous wrote:It says "and benefits." The salary is in the low 100s.

This! They are not getting $170k in salary. They are getting between $25 and $49 an hour, plus benefits.

It doesn’t matter. To a business, it all sums up to labor costs, period.

It absolutely matters to OP and other gullibles screeching about $170k. And the number was reported that way by UPS in their earnings call to get exactly this reaction, which should shame the reporters who provided no context.

Anyway, UPS is always hiring. If it's such an easy well paid job, complainers should switch careers to take advantage.

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Anonymous wrote:The median salary for a pediatrician is $190k:

https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes291221.htm


So you’re telling me there’s only a $20k delta between a UPS truck driver that has obtained no skills and no education vs a children’s doctor that has a bachelor’s degree, a medical school degree, and post-MD training on top of needing to be board certified? Ridiculous. Oh and with the $300k in med school debt.

They’re overpaying the drivers by a lot. FedEx pays way less. It’s going to crush UPS once this is reflected in the prices.

You are so clueless about the job market.

Not really:

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/FedEx-Freight-Road-Driver-Salaries-E15813_D_KO14,25.htm

Yes, you don’t understand how businesses or wages/salaries work.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread appears to have been taken over by (i) some college sophomore who (ii) took an Econ 101 course over the summer, and (iii) is running to be elected the Vice President of the Young Republicans Club (iv) at his (and he's definitely male) not very selective college.

Yes

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ups-drivers-170000-pay-benefits-compensation/?ftag=YHFa5b931b

This is soo crazy!!!
I might quit my job and work for UPS. WOW
I don't understand why people are okay with this..

they destroy their bodies in order to get you your crappy amazon prime purchase two days after you drunkenly hit "buy now". they should be earning more.

Gardeners pulling weeds is also hard work. Groundskeeping at universities and golf courses is also hard work when it is 100F out. Hauling trash in sweltering heat is hard work. Being a chef working 13 hour days for $38,000 is also hard work.


You gonna pay all of them $170k too? Just because a job is hard work doesn’t mean it should be compensated with insane salaries. So many jobs that are hard work require no education or special skills. You’re just meat for the labor required. Overcompensation for those jobs is going to obliterate the economy once those labor costs get passed down to consumers. Say hello to permanently high inflation.

Well, it used to be that plenty of blue collar jobs earned you as much as some white collar jobs. After getting my engineering degree from a top university, I moved to the DMV and had to work my a$$ off. My slightly older Ford/GM family members earned more, could afford boats and RVs, had cottages, and had at least a week off in the summer while their work site retooled. The delta between white collar and blue collar jobs in terms of income is astounding -- as is the snobbery of the likes of white collar workers.

Many of them still do - we live in a million dollar house and the neighbor on one side is a plumber and the neighbor two doors down is a contractor. I don't think either of them has a college degree, just years of training in their trades. I don't know why you all think college degree is the only worthwhile education, on the job training is also a form of education. UPS drivers or trade, either way.

That's a stupid comparison though. A plumber has years of training. An electrician has years of training. A contractor probably has years of trading in the trades. Those ARE skilled jobs. You can't take any schmo off the street and run electrical wire in a building.

We are talking about jobs that require NO education and NO specialized skills that take years of training to learn. You drive a truck and lift heavy boxes. It doesn't take an apprenticeship like an electrician to become a journeyman. No one has problems paying a highly skilled peofessional blue collar job that requires years of training.

What's next, compensating the burger flipper or a dish washer at a very busy restaurant $170k because that is probably hard work too?

And yet we still need the unskilled labor. I'm the PPP and my point is that the delta is out of control. Yes, raising minimum wages will raise prices, and it becomes a tail-chasing problem. However, it's coming to the point where people are not able to survive and there is no place to do subsistence farming anymore. The delta between blue- and white-collar wages is the bigger issue IMO. In the DMV its like we're living in a society with out of touch Marie Antoinettes running around.

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The previous salary wasn’t that different… I think 95+ benefits. So people are getting all hot and bothered but it’s not like they got some crazy pay increase. And yes, you are free to apply to work for UPS if you think the salary is good for the type of work.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s really amazing people are I planning about this, after reading 3+ years of people bragging about loafing around, while getting paid to ‘work from home’ on the sofa. You people making 200k a year want to complain about someone breaking their back and actually working? Gtfo.

So on point.

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The point is, for the unskilled workers, the wage per hour increases will never be enough. You can other elitist all you want and claim that UPS strike was sticking it to man, but other unskilled laborer's wages will catch up and you will be back in the same boat--wondering why you can't afford to live on your salary--because it will never happen.

Regarding UPS, somone or a group will find a way to gatekeep the good paying jobs, to make it so no random person truly will have the ability to get the job (see wool industry in Florence)--these efforts will artificially take the UPS jobs out of the "unskilled" category.

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Anonymous wrote:UPS is a very hard job.

They have very high productivity goals Plus they do packages up to 150 pounds.

The US Post Office has way less productivity goals and do not accept really heavy packages.

Hence why they are paid more

Manually one would argue going and paying for college is much harder and more time consuming than getting a job at ups.

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That's way to much money.