UPS TO pay drivers $170,000

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like more like $100,000.

Who cares? I’m a teacher so I will earn if I move from teaching to ups driving.

Great! Go for it!
Literally no one and nothing is stopping you.

Oh but of course the PP doesn’t really mean it. I’m sure driving a package delivery truck is beneath them. I mean this is such worthless, unskilled labor we’re talking about. How dare these drivers make a wage comparable to any white color job.

Also, I find it interesting that according to so many other posters on DCUM, knowledge workers getting promotions and increased perks like flexible hours/remote work, is just the economy at play valuing their skill set. But when a subset of industry workers realize there is a demand for their labor (and let’s be real, customers expect someone reliable, coherent, and sober to safely drive and actually deliver their packages on time too), then the wage increase is the result of mafia like negotiating. :eyeroll:

I’m the teacher and I do mean it. I do manual labor all the time. I installed our kitchen, I lug stuff around the house all the time. I like being outside and doing things. I’m a married woman btw. I have always thought if I were to quit I would want to try usps on a walking route. Keeps you for active and outside. I hate office work, it isn’t a good match for me.

BUT to those posters who believe that society pays for necessary jobs it is untrue. Society pays for jobs that are typically male labor and does not value traditional work as much. That said people were a little unhappy when schools were closed for covid. Capitalism doesn’t work without strong regulation and even then it still operates within the framework of tradition.

Those who have been traditionally left out: poc, women remain left out by capitalism because the work they traditionally do IS less valued. It is less valued precisely because the people who traditionally held those jobs are less valued within our male white focused society. It isn’t that the job isn’t important. It is because we decided white men were like gentry and then we over valued white collar jobs within our society.

Capitalism won’t fix that until people change their views.

So maybe I will stop teaching preschool in the county schools and start working for UPS. At the very least I will dream about it.

This is an argument for people in those undervalued fields to unionize and fight for better conditions. It’s not a reason to demand UPS drivers make less money.

The UPS strike got a lot of national and government attention because the workers have a male, white, joe the plumber image. These are the people that work "hard" /s. Striking home health aides will not get this type of attention. And no, UPS workers do not deserve to make more than home health aides.

They need to get a union.

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Anonymous wrote:This should be exhibit A whenever people try to tell you that unions are a bad thing.

Come back when ups raises its delivery costs to reflect this generous compensation package. I doubt you’ll be touting how great this is when the t shirt gift to Timmy costs you 35.00 to ship.

Yup. People are cheering it.

Wait until all of this gross wage inflation gets passed to consumers. It will be runaway wage driven inflation.

It took you 35 working years for you to save and your 401k to become worth $2M? Ooopps too bad, that $2M now worthless because wage inflation has ruined your entire life's savings.

I dunno, my life feels very similar to how it did the last time UPS workers negotiated a bigger salary for full-time employees. The Chicago school has done an impressive job making labor movements the cause for any and all ills in our society.

+1 it is so stupid to say suggest that the entire cost of this will be passed on to consumers and cause a wage-price spiral which hurts workers, especially when a) UPS says it is cutting its revenue forecasts sharply in the article and b) there is ample evidence from the last couple of years that inflation has been caused by firms sticking with high prices they pushed on us from supply chain problems even after those problems are gone.

Basically it’s Panglossian view that says workers should be glad with whatever crumbs management is willing to give them.

Labor costs always get passed on to consumers. You're just an idiot to think otherwise.

Wait until there's a recession or economic slowdown. They will be forced to increase prices are margins become compressed due to rising labor costs. Labor is always the most expensive cost. Price increase will come.

So who should get a good wage then? No one?

Skilled workers, workers with education, entrepreneurs, business owners. Just being a slab of meat to do hardwork shouldn't mean a high salary. Picking up trash is hard work. Roofing is hard work. Junk hauling is hard work. Landscaping is hard work.

You gonna pay them $170k too? Hard work does not automatically mean valuable work.

And yet the world would shut down without UPS. How do you think hospitals get supplies for their neurosurgeons to use? Carrier pigeon?

Meh, just bust up the union. You can go grab migrants to drive a truck and drop off packages for 1/4th the cost. That’s the point. There’s very little valuable skills or educational requirements that would preclude any Joe Schmo on the street from doing the job.

You clearly don’t know about the job. Do you feel that way about big rig drivers too?

It doesn’t take genius level intellect to follow gps, drive a truck and drop of packages. They can automate 90% of the process and fill in the meat needed to drop off packages using migrant labor. Migrant labor already drives big trucks on our roads everywhere for doing construction and landscaping. It isn’t hard. Just use them for driving package trucks. Amazon drivers don’t have any special skills dropping off packages. UPS could switch to that model too.

Referring to human beings as "meat" is bizarre. What is wrong with you? Are you a troll?

But that’s what unskilled uneducated labor is - you’re just meat doing a job that requires no brain. You think driving a UPS truck is hard? Try comparing that job to working at a chicken factory or a slaughterhouse. You gonna pay someone $170k per year to slaughter chickens too? Food production is even more critical than ups package delivery. You willing to pay $50 for a pack of chicken?

You try driving a truck without a brain and tell us how it goes.

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UPS is a very hard job.

They have very high productivity goals Plus they do packages up to 150 pounds.

The US Post Office has way less productivity goals and do not accept really heavy packages.

Hence why they are paid more

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It feels very strange that anyone would be bothered by this. If that sounds like a great deal to you, then go and sell your labor to UPS. I won't, but it's ok if you do.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like more like $100,000.

Who cares? I’m a teacher so I will earn if I move from teaching to ups driving.

Great! Go for it!
Literally no one and nothing is stopping you.

Oh but of course the PP doesn’t really mean it. I’m sure driving a package delivery truck is beneath them. I mean this is such worthless, unskilled labor we’re talking about. How dare these drivers make a wage comparable to any white color job.

Also, I find it interesting that according to so many other posters on DCUM, knowledge workers getting promotions and increased perks like flexible hours/remote work, is just the economy at play valuing their skill set. But when a subset of industry workers realize there is a demand for their labor (and let’s be real, customers expect someone reliable, coherent, and sober to safely drive and actually deliver their packages on time too), then the wage increase is the result of mafia like negotiating. :eyeroll:

I’m the teacher and I do mean it. I do manual labor all the time. I installed our kitchen, I lug stuff around the house all the time. I like being outside and doing things. I’m a married woman btw. I have always thought if I were to quit I would want to try usps on a walking route. Keeps you for active and outside. I hate office work, it isn’t a good match for me.

BUT to those posters who believe that society pays for necessary jobs it is untrue. Society pays for jobs that are typically male labor and does not value traditional work as much. That said people were a little unhappy when schools were closed for covid. Capitalism doesn’t work without strong regulation and even then it still operates within the framework of tradition.

Those who have been traditionally left out: poc, women remain left out by capitalism because the work they traditionally do IS less valued. It is less valued precisely because the people who traditionally held those jobs are less valued within our male white focused society. It isn’t that the job isn’t important. It is because we decided white men were like gentry and then we over valued white collar jobs within our society.

Capitalism won’t fix that until people change their views.

So maybe I will stop teaching preschool in the county schools and start working for UPS. At the very least I will dream about it.

This is an argument for people in those undervalued fields to unionize and fight for better conditions. It’s not a reason to demand UPS drivers make less money.

The UPS strike got a lot of national and government attention because the workers have a male, white, joe the plumber image. These are the people that work "hard" /s. Striking home health aides will not get this type of attention. And no, UPS workers do not deserve to make more than home health aides.

They need to get a union.

you are missing the nuance--national advocacy is important as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Just another example of massively overpaying for unskilled and uneducated labor. The results will be predictable, which are to accelerate the use of automation as much as possible. It’s only a matter of time before they overcompensate themselves out of existence. Why would anyone with an education and skills accept a lower salary than a UPS truck driver? Is everyone will be asking for higher wages, which in the end causes a whole bunch of wage driven inflation. The end result is that UPS drivers get nowhere in terms of real purchasing power as where they were before, and all the country did after terrible wage inflation is just ruin everyone’s life savings in the process.

Companies will also start pulling out of the US as labor becomes massively overcompensated for these simple jobs.

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With caveat that I think those of us with education and skills will not see the higher wages--our jobs will be eliminated or office jobs will begin to be seen as women's work and will pay accordingly--a lot of the unskilled labor will be seen as man's work and they will be paid accordingly.

Unskilled labour over here - I’m a nanny and get paid $45-50/hr in Los Angeles. I started working for celebrities 20 years ago, and that’s my rate with a high school education. Housekeepers in LA are also paid $40+ per hour. We also break our backs and deal with a lot of stress, to make other peoples lives easier. We deserve it. So does ups.

Everyone thinks their job is a pain doesn't mean all jobs should pay the same wages. Also, who decides which unskilled labor job set is more worthy of higher pay than anothe unskilled labor job set. Who is on this deciding committee? Why should the nice lady who work at the grocer check out line make less than a UPS worker? Why can't this lady ask for tips, like the doordash driver deamands?

Their respective employers. I'd have thought this was obvious.

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Y’all forget about the over 400K LA lifeguards?

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This thread appears to have been taken over by (i) some college sophomore who (ii) took an Econ 101 course over the summer, and (iii) is running to be elected the Vice President of the Young Republicans Club (iv) at his (and he's definitely male) not very selective college.

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Seeing that jobs like this scramble the brains of the top-college-or-bust parents and their pampered progeny.

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Anonymous wrote:It says "and benefits." The salary is in the low 100s.

My friends and I are just shocked and thinking, we should have worked for UPs.

UPS has long been known for being a good place to work/work your way up.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like more like $100,000.

Who cares? I’m a teacher so I will earn if I move from teaching to ups driving.

Great! Go for it!
Literally no one and nothing is stopping you.

Oh but of course the PP doesn’t really mean it. I’m sure driving a package delivery truck is beneath them. I mean this is such worthless, unskilled labor we’re talking about. How dare these drivers make a wage comparable to any white color job.

Also, I find it interesting that according to so many other posters on DCUM, knowledge workers getting promotions and increased perks like flexible hours/remote work, is just the economy at play valuing their skill set. But when a subset of industry workers realize there is a demand for their labor (and let’s be real, customers expect someone reliable, coherent, and sober to safely drive and actually deliver their packages on time too), then the wage increase is the result of mafia like negotiating. :eyeroll:

I’m the teacher and I do mean it. I do manual labor all the time. I installed our kitchen, I lug stuff around the house all the time. I like being outside and doing things. I’m a married woman btw. I have always thought if I were to quit I would want to try usps on a walking route. Keeps you for active and outside. I hate office work, it isn’t a good match for me.

BUT to those posters who believe that society pays for necessary jobs it is untrue. Society pays for jobs that are typically male labor and does not value traditional work as much. That said people were a little unhappy when schools were closed for covid. Capitalism doesn’t work without strong regulation and even then it still operates within the framework of tradition.

Those who have been traditionally left out: poc, women remain left out by capitalism because the work they traditionally do IS less valued. It is less valued precisely because the people who traditionally held those jobs are less valued within our male white focused society. It isn’t that the job isn’t important. It is because we decided white men were like gentry and then we over valued white collar jobs within our society.

Capitalism won’t fix that until people change their views.

So maybe I will stop teaching preschool in the county schools and start working for UPS. At the very least I will dream about it.

This is an argument for people in those undervalued fields to unionize and fight for better conditions. It’s not a reason to demand UPS drivers make less money.

The UPS strike got a lot of national and government attention because the workers have a male, white, joe the plumber image. These are the people that work "hard" /s. Striking home health aides will not get this type of attention. And no, UPS workers do not deserve to make more than home health aides.

They need to get a union.

you are missing the nuance--national advocacy is important as well.

I didn’t. I actually agree with you. I think home health aides have a very important job. They care for the most fragile of our society. They do need national advocacy, but they also need to unionize. For whatever reason, that has never happened for that group. I wonder why nursing groups haven’t taken them under their umbrella.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread appears to have been taken over by (i) some college sophomore who (ii) took an Econ 101 course over the summer, and (iii) is running to be elected the Vice President of the Young Republicans Club (iv) at his (and he's definitely male) not very selective college.

It’s fascinating, really. Instead of the Randian drivel about free markets those types used to spew, this person is practically demanding government intervention to stop UPS from paying better wages. The Republicans really have no principles at this point beyond being crabs in a bucket.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like more like $100,000.

Who cares? I’m a teacher so I will earn if I move from teaching to ups driving.

Great! Go for it!
Literally no one and nothing is stopping you.

Oh but of course the PP doesn’t really mean it. I’m sure driving a package delivery truck is beneath them. I mean this is such worthless, unskilled labor we’re talking about. How dare these drivers make a wage comparable to any white color job.

Also, I find it interesting that according to so many other posters on DCUM, knowledge workers getting promotions and increased perks like flexible hours/remote work, is just the economy at play valuing their skill set. But when a subset of industry workers realize there is a demand for their labor (and let’s be real, customers expect someone reliable, coherent, and sober to safely drive and actually deliver their packages on time too), then the wage increase is the result of mafia like negotiating. :eyeroll:

I’m the teacher and I do mean it. I do manual labor all the time. I installed our kitchen, I lug stuff around the house all the time. I like being outside and doing things. I’m a married woman btw. I have always thought if I were to quit I would want to try usps on a walking route. Keeps you for active and outside. I hate office work, it isn’t a good match for me.

BUT to those posters who believe that society pays for necessary jobs it is untrue. Society pays for jobs that are typically male labor and does not value traditional work as much. That said people were a little unhappy when schools were closed for covid. Capitalism doesn’t work without strong regulation and even then it still operates within the framework of tradition.

Those who have been traditionally left out: poc, women remain left out by capitalism because the work they traditionally do IS less valued. It is less valued precisely because the people who traditionally held those jobs are less valued within our male white focused society. It isn’t that the job isn’t important. It is because we decided white men were like gentry and then we over valued white collar jobs within our society.

Capitalism won’t fix that until people change their views.

So maybe I will stop teaching preschool in the county schools and start working for UPS. At the very least I will dream about it.

This is an argument for people in those undervalued fields to unionize and fight for better conditions. It’s not a reason to demand UPS drivers make less money.

The UPS strike got a lot of national and government attention because the workers have a male, white, joe the plumber image. These are the people that work "hard" /s. Striking home health aides will not get this type of attention. And no, UPS workers do not deserve to make more than home health aides.

They need to get a union.

you are missing the nuance--national advocacy is important as well.

I didn’t. I actually agree with you. I think home health aides have a very important job. They care for the most fragile of our society. They do need national advocacy, but they also need to unionize. For whatever reason, that has never happened for that group. I wonder why nursing groups haven’t taken them under their umbrella.

NP and I am not an expert in this but I assume it’s because home health aides are largely non white women. Many of whom are not born in the US.

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It doesn't matter what anyone here thinks about their value or any comparisons to other fields.

The company feels their workers bring this value to them, and they are able and willing to pay.

Someone here is just pissed off they accrued a ton of college debt and don't get the same job for what they consider meaningless, low skill work.

Apparently, they forgot how capitalism works.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s really amazing people are I planning about this, after reading 3+ years of people bragging about loafing around, while getting paid to ‘work from home’ on the sofa. You people making 200k a year want to complain about someone breaking their back and actually working? Gtfo.

+100. Or should I say, +170,000. The elitism in this thread is disgusting.