UPS TO pay drivers $170,000

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Anonymous wrote:Just another example of massively overpaying for unskilled and uneducated labor. The results will be predictable, which are to accelerate the use of automation as much as possible. It’s only a matter of time before they overcompensate themselves out of existence. Why would anyone with an education and skills accept a lower salary than a UPS truck driver? Is everyone will be asking for higher wages, which in the end causes a whole bunch of wage driven inflation. The end result is that UPS drivers get nowhere in terms of real purchasing power as where they were before, and all the country did after terrible wage inflation is just ruin everyone’s life savings in the process.

Companies will also start pulling out of the US as labor becomes massively overcompensated for these simple jobs.

I worked for UPS my first year out of college. It was a great union job with health benefits even for part time work, but it would have been a hard job to work full time. It's hard on the body!

Farming is hard on the body. Working at a steel mill is hard on the body. Working at the slaughter house is hard on the body. Masonry is hard on the body. You gonna pay peo0,e who clean chicken farm houses $170k too because it is hard work? Ready to pay $80 for a pack of chicken?

Just a few pages ago you asked if people were ready to pay $50 for a pack of chicken. Talk about inflation.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ups-drivers-170000-pay-benefits-compensation/?ftag=YHFa5b931b

This is soo crazy!!!
I might quit my job and work for UPS. WOW
I don't understand why people are okay with this..

Above poster is what is wrong with our culture . The belief that you are better than someone else based on background

I consider labor shortages wonderful. I have never known anything bad to come from a labor shortage, and what we are doing with our immigration policy is keeping the labor market in constant surplus.

Vernon Briggs
Cornell Labor Economist

The underlying truth about the immigration battle is that is is fundamentally between those with an insatiable appetite for more cheap, disposable, foreign workers, and those who embrace the social good of tight labor markets.

Um, except we are currently experiencing a labor shortage. Which is a primary reason why UPS drivers were able to negotiate a compensation package like this.

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Anonymous wrote:This should be exhibit A whenever people try to tell you that unions are a bad thing.

Come back when ups raises its delivery costs to reflect this generous compensation package. I doubt you’ll be touting how great this is when the t shirt gift to Timmy costs you 35.00 to ship.

Yup. People are cheering it.

Wait until all of this gross wage inflation gets passed to consumers. It will be runaway wage driven inflation.

It took you 35 working years for you to save and your 401k to become worth $2M? Ooopps too bad, that $2M now worthless because wage inflation has ruined your entire life's savings.

I dunno, my life feels very similar to how it did the last time UPS workers negotiated a bigger salary for full-time employees. The Chicago school has done an impressive job making labor movements the cause for any and all ills in our society.

+1 it is so stupid to say suggest that the entire cost of this will be passed on to consumers and cause a wage-price spiral which hurts workers, especially when a) UPS says it is cutting its revenue forecasts sharply in the article and b) there is ample evidence from the last couple of years that inflation has been caused by firms sticking with high prices they pushed on us from supply chain problems even after those problems are gone.

Basically it’s Panglossian view that says workers should be glad with whatever crumbs management is willing to give them.

Labor costs always get passed on to consumers. You're just an idiot to think otherwise.

Wait until there's a recession or economic slowdown. They will be forced to increase prices are margins become compressed due to rising labor costs. Labor is always the most expensive cost. Price increase will come.

So who should get a good wage then? No one?

Skilled workers, workers with education, entrepreneurs, business owners. Just being a slab of meat to do hardwork shouldn't mean a high salary. Picking up trash is hard work. Roofing is hard work. Junk hauling is hard work. Landscaping is hard work.

You gonna pay them $170k too? Hard work does not automatically mean valuable work.

We are a capitalist society. Wages are set by what the market will bear and by what the industry needs to pay in order to attract sufficient work force to handle the work load. Basically a derivative of supply and demand.

Due to the pandemic and the explosion of on-line purchases and delivery, the need for package delivery staff has gone up. Right now, companies like UPS do not have enough drivers to handle the volume and ensure that delivery quotas and deadlines are met. So, they have to attract more staff and the only way to do that is to increase the salary and compensation offered.

Useless educations do not need to be paid extra. Just because someone has some random useless LA degree, does not mean they deserve to be paid higher. Their degrees add nothing to their market value and employers are not required to pay people back for spending money on an education. I've seen people hired for essentially non-skilled or low-skilled positions and had two employees hired for the same position, but one with a college degree got a significant increase in offer over the one without a degree. Same job, same required skills. The degreed person does not deserve more, but got more because of stupid corporate policies that give bonus incentives to those with a degree.

I think people who take difficult to fill positions for companies making a decent profit are worth more than people who happened to blow four years partying and taking courses in subjects that they'll never use and sit at a desk doing a job that makes no money, and just wastes time. There are thousands of random office workers who are completely replaceable and offer no additional skills or worth for their four years of Spanish and random liberal arts subjects.

A society full of haves and have-nots is an unstable society. It’s bad for the people who don’t earn enough to live comfortably, and it’s bad for the wealthy because they become in danger of revolt.

Unfettered capitalism is dangerous for all of us.

But we don't have an unfettered capitalist society. We have a capitalist society with a social net. We have medicare, medicaid, social security, welfare, SNAP, uninsurance employment and a host of other programs that federal taxes pay billions of dollars every year to help support those at the lower end of the scale.

Trying to say that the market should be responsible for ensuring wealth redistribution from the higher end to the lower end is a bad idea.

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Anonymous wrote:What should a "fair" wage for UPS drivers be? A lot of posters think it's too much but nobody has said what they should earn. And do they provide more value to our economy than most of the folks sitting behind a desk basically pushing papers that use absolutely zero of their college degree to do their job? I'd argue yes.

$50-70k. Pretty much the average between fedex, Dhl, usps, Amazon, etc. they’re about $19-28 /hr, while the union is extorting UPS for $49/ hr. There’s no way ups drivers work that much harder or better than Amazon delivery guys. They’re bring hugely overpaid.

You are looking at it the wrong way. Amazon drivers are getting paid TOO little and being exploited (so we can all have a constant stream of cheap crap from China). We should not try to bring people down to the lowest level.

Wrong.

If Amazon drivers were getting paid to little then no one would do the job, yet people do do the job. UPS management are idiots allowing themselves to be extorted for gross overcompensation while Amazon has shown it can pay a fraction of the cost and be worth over a trillion dollars.

Amazon is not paying any full-time drivers. It's gig work, no benefits. Is that the direction you think all jobs should head? Lowest-bidder, zero-protection, zero-accountability temp workers for everything?

Again, if the job were so terrible and compensation so bad, then no one would do the job. Yet people still do the job. That just goes to show you how vastly over compensated UPS drivers are. Amazon drivers do the same job for a fraction of the cost.

Do you have a point? In our at will economy, people drive trucks for Amazon. So obviously the compensation is still fine.

You can't compare flexible gig work to a full-time job! That's like saying that because some people take tutoring gigs, no one should be a teacher, or teachers should be paid the same hourly rate. Or no one should drive municipal busses, we should all just rely on Uber and Lyft as our sole means of transportation.

You can piss and moan all you want. If Amazon's gig job compensation was so awful, then no one would do it. Yet people do it. Facts are facts. Amazon shows how much uneducated, unskilled labor used for driving trucks and delivering packages is truly worth. It's worth about $20-25/hr, not $50/hr or $80+/hr (if you count benefits) like UPS is paying. UPS is massively overpaying for the same labor that Amazon, DHL, regional parcel carriers, and FedEx all pay about $20-30/hr for. It's that simple. Again, people drive for Amazon, so clearly the pay is enough. We have an at will employment economy. People are free not to drive trucks for Amazon if the pay is too low, which will force Amazon to raise compensation. But they do drive trucks for Amazon. UPS is going to be hamstrung for years with massive labor costs they are going to make them uncompetitive. They'll be forced to raise prices or investment in the company will flee, which will limit their long term growth. Or they'll have to slash jobs. They will lose market share as they become less and less competitive.

Correction: Amazon is willing to churn employees. UPS is willing to keep people in organization who become ambassadors for the company. I don’t know about you but I know my UPS drivers name (Pete) and never even meet my Amazon drivers - a new person, it seems every day.

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Anonymous wrote:It says "and benefits." The salary is in the low 100s.

This. My husband works for UPS.

He doesn’t drive a truck. He turns a wrench and makes 40% more than the drivers. Does that make you mad too?

It’s honest work. And dirty and sweaty. Or in freezing temps while you’re asleep. And sometimes it is dangerous.

Plenty of people make much more in less than honest ways.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ups-drivers-170000-pay-benefits-compensation/?ftag=YHFa5b931b

This is soo crazy!!!
I might quit my job and work for UPS. WOW
I don't understand why people are okay with this..

they destroy their bodies in order to get you your crappy amazon prime purchase two days after you drunkenly hit "buy now". they should be earning more.

Gardeners pulling weeds is also hard work. Groundskeeping at universities and golf courses is also hard work when it is 100F out. Hauling trash in sweltering heat is hard work. Being a chef working 13 hour days for $38,000 is also hard work.


You gonna pay all of them $170k too? Just because a job is hard work doesn’t mean it should be compensated with insane salaries. So many jobs that are hard work require no education or special skills. You’re just meat for the labor required. Overcompensation for those jobs is going to obliterate the economy once those labor costs get passed down to consumers. Say hello to permanently high inflation.

Well, it used to be that plenty of blue collar jobs earned you as much as some white collar jobs. After getting my engineering degree from a top university, I moved to the DMV and had to work my a$$ off. My slightly older Ford/GM family members earned more, could afford boats and RVs, had cottages, and had at least a week off in the summer while their work site retooled. The delta between white collar and blue collar jobs in terms of income is astounding -- as is the snobbery of the likes of white collar workers.

Many of them still do - we live in a million dollar house and the neighbor on one side is a plumber and the neighbor two doors down is a contractor. I don't think either of them has a college degree, just years of training in their trades. I don't know why you all think college degree is the only worthwhile education, on the job training is also a form of education. UPS drivers or trade, either way.

That's a stupid comparison though. A plumber has years of training. An electrician has years of training. A contractor probably has years of trading in the trades. Those ARE skilled jobs. You can't take any schmo off the street and run electrical wire in a building.

We are talking about jobs that require NO education and NO specialized skills that take years of training to learn. You drive a truck and lift heavy boxes. It doesn't take an apprenticeship like an electrician to become a journeyman. No one has problems paying a highly skilled peofessional blue collar job that requires years of training.

What's next, compensating the burger flipper or a dish washer at a very busy restaurant $170k because that is probably hard work too?

A UPS driver is a highly skilled job. You start out as an assistant and it takes years to get your own route. Once you know your route, they will only let you relocate one time. Why? Because there is years of logistical knowledge in your head. That is incredibly valuable to the company.

I’m not saying they can’t automate that job someday but they haven’t yet. UPS is a shrewd company and they will automate whatever possible. You know who they automated? The entire HR department. It was eliminated a few years ago with zero notice. (Next is going to be some other educated white collar workers.)

You need to wrap your brain around what actually goes into the job.

A UPS driver is a logistics expert who also drives and moves boxes. They are constantly dealing with unexpected events while being the face of the company to consumers.

If someone’s job title were logistics specialist sitting at a desk, you probably wouldn’t bat an eye at the high compensation. But add on the blue collar duties such as driving, carrying boxes, and darting in and out of traffic while wearing brown shorts and suddenly they are a moronic piece of meat.

You are an unworldly snob. And a mental slave to the university system.

I live in Louisville, home to many blue collar millionaires thanks to UPS. No one is mad about it, I can assure you.

It’s been going on for generations. And guess what? UPS likes it just fine because they make billions in profits. They would rather deal with a collective bargaining unit than negotiate salaries and benefits with hundreds of thousands of employees individually.

And yeah, kids in the know around here, finish high school, get union jobs, and work their way up. They are sometimes 25 or 26 pulling in this kind of money with no college debt. And that goes for the women too! Because Union jobs are a merit system. Everyone is paid according to a scale and your seniority is key.

There are DINKS working at UPS in their 30’s and love it.

My husband left his respectable DC job that required an expensive masters degree to work for UPS doing manual labor. His family was concerned. Now they get it.

You can do it too. If you are willing to do some hard work, wear some brown shorts, and stop looking down your nose at jobs and people you don’t understand.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ups-drivers-170000-pay-benefits-compensation/?ftag=YHFa5b931b

This is soo crazy!!!
I might quit my job and work for UPS. WOW
I don't understand why people are okay with this..

they destroy their bodies in order to get you your crappy amazon prime purchase two days after you drunkenly hit "buy now". they should be earning more.

Gardeners pulling weeds is also hard work. Groundskeeping at universities and golf courses is also hard work when it is 100F out. Hauling trash in sweltering heat is hard work. Being a chef working 13 hour days for $38,000 is also hard work.


You gonna pay all of them $170k too? Just because a job is hard work doesn’t mean it should be compensated with insane salaries. So many jobs that are hard work require no education or special skills. You’re just meat for the labor required. Overcompensation for those jobs is going to obliterate the economy once those labor costs get passed down to consumers. Say hello to permanently high inflation.

Well, it used to be that plenty of blue collar jobs earned you as much as some white collar jobs. After getting my engineering degree from a top university, I moved to the DMV and had to work my a$$ off. My slightly older Ford/GM family members earned more, could afford boats and RVs, had cottages, and had at least a week off in the summer while their work site retooled. The delta between white collar and blue collar jobs in terms of income is astounding -- as is the snobbery of the likes of white collar workers.

Many of them still do - we live in a million dollar house and the neighbor on one side is a plumber and the neighbor two doors down is a contractor. I don't think either of them has a college degree, just years of training in their trades. I don't know why you all think college degree is the only worthwhile education, on the job training is also a form of education. UPS drivers or trade, either way.

That's a stupid comparison though. A plumber has years of training. An electrician has years of training. A contractor probably has years of trading in the trades. Those ARE skilled jobs. You can't take any schmo off the street and run electrical wire in a building.

We are talking about jobs that require NO education and NO specialized skills that take years of training to learn. You drive a truck and lift heavy boxes. It doesn't take an apprenticeship like an electrician to become a journeyman. No one has problems paying a highly skilled peofessional blue collar job that requires years of training.

What's next, compensating the burger flipper or a dish washer at a very busy restaurant $170k because that is probably hard work too?

A UPS driver is a highly skilled job. You start out as an assistant and it takes years to get your own route. Once you know your route, they will only let you relocate one time. Why? Because there is years of logistical knowledge in your head. That is incredibly valuable to the company.

I’m not saying they can’t automate that job someday but they haven’t yet. UPS is a shrewd company and they will automate whatever possible. You know who they automated? The entire HR department. It was eliminated a few years ago with zero notice. (Next is going to be some other educated white collar workers.)

You need to wrap your brain around what actually goes into the job.

A UPS driver is a logistics expert who also drives and moves boxes. They are constantly dealing with unexpected events while being the face of the company to consumers.

If someone’s job title were logistics specialist sitting at a desk, you probably wouldn’t bat an eye at the high compensation. But add on the blue collar duties such as driving, carrying boxes, and darting in and out of traffic while wearing brown shorts and suddenly they are a moronic piece of meat.

You are an unworldly snob. And a mental slave to the university system.

I live in Louisville, home to many blue collar millionaires thanks to UPS. No one is mad about it, I can assure you.

It’s been going on for generations. And guess what? UPS likes it just fine because they make billions in profits. They would rather deal with a collective bargaining unit than negotiate salaries and benefits with hundreds of thousands of employees individually.

And yeah, kids in the know around here, finish high school, get union jobs, and work their way up. They are sometimes 25 or 26 pulling in this kind of money with no college debt. And that goes for the women too! Because Union jobs are a merit system. Everyone is paid according to a scale and your seniority is key.

There are DINKS working at UPS in their 30’s and love it.

My husband left his respectable DC job that required an expensive masters degree to work for UPS doing manual labor. His family was concerned. Now they get it.

You can do it too. If you are willing to do some hard work, wear some brown shorts, and stop looking down your nose at jobs and people you don’t understand.

Hats off to your husband and thank him for his service. Have always loved our UPS drivers and respected their good work. I'm glad to hear UPS is compensating them well.

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The people losing their minds over these UPS salaries are the same ones who think people like Trump are geniuses for gaming the system.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ups-drivers-170000-pay-benefits-compensation/?ftag=YHFa5b931b

This is soo crazy!!!
I might quit my job and work for UPS. WOW
I don't understand why people are okay with this..

they destroy their bodies in order to get you your crappy amazon prime purchase two days after you drunkenly hit "buy now". they should be earning more.

Gardeners pulling weeds is also hard work. Groundskeeping at universities and golf courses is also hard work when it is 100F out. Hauling trash in sweltering heat is hard work. Being a chef working 13 hour days for $38,000 is also hard work.


You gonna pay all of them $170k too? Just because a job is hard work doesn’t mean it should be compensated with insane salaries. So many jobs that are hard work require no education or special skills. You’re just meat for the labor required. Overcompensation for those jobs is going to obliterate the economy once those labor costs get passed down to consumers. Say hello to permanently high inflation.

Well, it used to be that plenty of blue collar jobs earned you as much as some white collar jobs. After getting my engineering degree from a top university, I moved to the DMV and had to work my a$$ off. My slightly older Ford/GM family members earned more, could afford boats and RVs, had cottages, and had at least a week off in the summer while their work site retooled. The delta between white collar and blue collar jobs in terms of income is astounding -- as is the snobbery of the likes of white collar workers.

Many of them still do - we live in a million dollar house and the neighbor on one side is a plumber and the neighbor two doors down is a contractor. I don't think either of them has a college degree, just years of training in their trades. I don't know why you all think college degree is the only worthwhile education, on the job training is also a form of education. UPS drivers or trade, either way.

That's a stupid comparison though. A plumber has years of training. An electrician has years of training. A contractor probably has years of trading in the trades. Those ARE skilled jobs. You can't take any schmo off the street and run electrical wire in a building.

We are talking about jobs that require NO education and NO specialized skills that take years of training to learn. You drive a truck and lift heavy boxes. It doesn't take an apprenticeship like an electrician to become a journeyman. No one has problems paying a highly skilled peofessional blue collar job that requires years of training.

What's next, compensating the burger flipper or a dish washer at a very busy restaurant $170k because that is probably hard work too?

A UPS driver is a highly skilled job. You start out as an assistant and it takes years to get your own route. Once you know your route, they will only let you relocate one time. Why? Because there is years of logistical knowledge in your head. That is incredibly valuable to the company.

I’m not saying they can’t automate that job someday but they haven’t yet. UPS is a shrewd company and they will automate whatever possible. You know who they automated? The entire HR department. It was eliminated a few years ago with zero notice. (Next is going to be some other educated white collar workers.)

You need to wrap your brain around what actually goes into the job.

A UPS driver is a logistics expert who also drives and moves boxes. They are constantly dealing with unexpected events while being the face of the company to consumers.

If someone’s job title were logistics specialist sitting at a desk, you probably wouldn’t bat an eye at the high compensation. But add on the blue collar duties such as driving, carrying boxes, and darting in and out of traffic while wearing brown shorts and suddenly they are a moronic piece of meat.

You are an unworldly snob. And a mental slave to the university system.

I live in Louisville, home to many blue collar millionaires thanks to UPS. No one is mad about it, I can assure you.

It’s been going on for generations. And guess what? UPS likes it just fine because they make billions in profits. They would rather deal with a collective bargaining unit than negotiate salaries and benefits with hundreds of thousands of employees individually.

And yeah, kids in the know around here, finish high school, get union jobs, and work their way up. They are sometimes 25 or 26 pulling in this kind of money with no college debt. And that goes for the women too! Because Union jobs are a merit system. Everyone is paid according to a scale and your seniority is key.

There are DINKS working at UPS in their 30’s and love it.

My husband left his respectable DC job that required an expensive masters degree to work for UPS doing manual labor. His family was concerned. Now they get it.

You can do it too. If you are willing to do some hard work, wear some brown shorts, and stop looking down your nose at jobs and people you don’t understand.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ups-drivers-170000-pay-benefits-compensation/?ftag=YHFa5b931b

This is soo crazy!!!
I might quit my job and work for UPS. WOW
I don't understand why people are okay with this..

they destroy their bodies in order to get you your crappy amazon prime purchase two days after you drunkenly hit "buy now". they should be earning more.

Gardeners pulling weeds is also hard work. Groundskeeping at universities and golf courses is also hard work when it is 100F out. Hauling trash in sweltering heat is hard work. Being a chef working 13 hour days for $38,000 is also hard work.


You gonna pay all of them $170k too? Just because a job is hard work doesn’t mean it should be compensated with insane salaries. So many jobs that are hard work require no education or special skills. You’re just meat for the labor required. Overcompensation for those jobs is going to obliterate the economy once those labor costs get passed down to consumers. Say hello to permanently high inflation.

Well, it used to be that plenty of blue collar jobs earned you as much as some white collar jobs. After getting my engineering degree from a top university, I moved to the DMV and had to work my a$$ off. My slightly older Ford/GM family members earned more, could afford boats and RVs, had cottages, and had at least a week off in the summer while their work site retooled. The delta between white collar and blue collar jobs in terms of income is astounding -- as is the snobbery of the likes of white collar workers.

Many of them still do - we live in a million dollar house and the neighbor on one side is a plumber and the neighbor two doors down is a contractor. I don't think either of them has a college degree, just years of training in their trades. I don't know why you all think college degree is the only worthwhile education, on the job training is also a form of education. UPS drivers or trade, either way.

That's a stupid comparison though. A plumber has years of training. An electrician has years of training. A contractor probably has years of trading in the trades. Those ARE skilled jobs. You can't take any schmo off the street and run electrical wire in a building.

We are talking about jobs that require NO education and NO specialized skills that take years of training to learn. You drive a truck and lift heavy boxes. It doesn't take an apprenticeship like an electrician to become a journeyman. No one has problems paying a highly skilled peofessional blue collar job that requires years of training.

What's next, compensating the burger flipper or a dish washer at a very busy restaurant $170k because that is probably hard work too?

A UPS driver is a highly skilled job. You start out as an assistant and it takes years to get your own route. Once you know your route, they will only let you relocate one time. Why? Because there is years of logistical knowledge in your head. That is incredibly valuable to the company.

I’m not saying they can’t automate that job someday but they haven’t yet. UPS is a shrewd company and they will automate whatever possible. You know who they automated? The entire HR department. It was eliminated a few years ago with zero notice. (Next is going to be some other educated white collar workers.)

You need to wrap your brain around what actually goes into the job.

A UPS driver is a logistics expert who also drives and moves boxes. They are constantly dealing with unexpected events while being the face of the company to consumers.

If someone’s job title were logistics specialist sitting at a desk, you probably wouldn’t bat an eye at the high compensation. But add on the blue collar duties such as driving, carrying boxes, and darting in and out of traffic while wearing brown shorts and suddenly they are a moronic piece of meat.

You are an unworldly snob. And a mental slave to the university system.

I live in Louisville, home to many blue collar millionaires thanks to UPS. No one is mad about it, I can assure you.

It’s been going on for generations. And guess what? UPS likes it just fine because they make billions in profits. They would rather deal with a collective bargaining unit than negotiate salaries and benefits with hundreds of thousands of employees individually.

And yeah, kids in the know around here, finish high school, get union jobs, and work their way up. They are sometimes 25 or 26 pulling in this kind of money with no college debt. And that goes for the women too! Because Union jobs are a merit system. Everyone is paid according to a scale and your seniority is key.

There are DINKS working at UPS in their 30’s and love it.

My husband left his respectable DC job that required an expensive masters degree to work for UPS doing manual labor. His family was concerned. Now they get it.

You can do it too. If you are willing to do some hard work, wear some brown shorts, and stop looking down your nose at jobs and people you don’t understand.

Poster: what does your DH think of the contract? Is he going to vote yes?

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The 170k includes benefits And takes time to get to. Your body is also shot by the time you retire. On the plus you work outdoors and make a great salary.

Don’t conflate that with high paying jobs though. 25 year old lawyers make 235k in biglaw and 30 year old doctors make 250k. Silicon Valley will rebound as well. White collar jobs still make multiples of what a UPS driver makes over the course of an entire career. Treat college like journeymanship with a practical major and you’ll make more.

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“It’s kind of misleading. It’s not 170,000 solely in wages. I think they’re alluding to the neighborhood of 170,000 at the last year of the contract at the highest classification, which would be a feeder driver, inclusive of working 60 hours every week and their benefits. So while it is true, it tends to be a little misleading when you say it that way,” said Schumann,

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This reminds me of the hate that Metro employees get for their pay and benefits.

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Hmm Amazon adds $440 million to the pay pot

https://cordcuttersnews.com/amazon-invests-millions-to-boost-pay-for-contract-delivery-drivers/

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This is soo crazy!!!
I might quit my job and work for UPS. WOW
I don't understand why people are okay with this..

You wouldn’t last an hour working for UPS.