Unintended Consequences of Covid

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Oof I feel you - and f-u to the PP suggesting it was your fault. I also wish more than anything we could turn the clock back and take steps to ensure our son wasn’t isolated. Seriously, I would have just moved to Florida. The only bright side is that I understand better now how important it is to fight against isolation.

Your child wasn't isolated except if you didn't make an effort socially. You'd rather blame others and covid when it was your responsibility to make sure he gets the socialization he needs as clearly he cannot get what he needs at home.

Oh f off. There’s a place children are supposed to socialize - school. It was closed, remember? I wanted to send my child but the teachers union wouldnt let me. And of course playdates were supposed to be limited. And people (like you maybe) were also whining that pods were inequitable. https://www.npr.org/2020/07/28/896334963/pandemic-pods-raise-concerns-about-equity

So, basically you see no responsibilities for your child in terms of mental health and socialization. Maybe that is why your kids are struggling so much. You can take them to a playground, you can sign them up for activities, you can invite other kids or families over, lots of things you can do.

My kids have been in virtual school for three years now and are ok. We never did a pod. We very much limited social interactions till recently and still don't do much indoors. Kids sometimes develop mental health issues and as a parent you need to change your lifestyle and get them the mental health they need. But, it's far easier to lame others. Teachers had zero say, and it was closed for health and safety reasons. Many people died from covid. Be blessed you did not lose anyone.

This is a parenting issue, not a covid or school issue.

My responsibility is to send my child to school. During covid I was working FT and couldn’t afford a FT nanny. Teachers literally went on strike to keep my kid from returning to school.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Oof I feel you - and f-u to the PP suggesting it was your fault. I also wish more than anything we could turn the clock back and take steps to ensure our son wasn’t isolated. Seriously, I would have just moved to Florida. The only bright side is that I understand better now how important it is to fight against isolation.

Your child wasn't isolated except if you didn't make an effort socially. You'd rather blame others and covid when it was your responsibility to make sure he gets the socialization he needs as clearly he cannot get what he needs at home.

It is unbelievable how committed some people are to the original narrative. Absolutely no ability to look back with any kind of objectivity.

It's unbellieveale how much parents expect schools to do and don't seem to understand kids develop mental health issues sometimes due to genetics, sometimes situational, etc. This wasn't a school issue. It sounds like its a family issue especially looking at the behavior of the parent on here.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Oof I feel you - and f-u to the PP suggesting it was your fault. I also wish more than anything we could turn the clock back and take steps to ensure our son wasn’t isolated. Seriously, I would have just moved to Florida. The only bright side is that I understand better now how important it is to fight against isolation.

Your child wasn't isolated except if you didn't make an effort socially. You'd rather blame others and covid when it was your responsibility to make sure he gets the socialization he needs as clearly he cannot get what he needs at home.

It is unbelievable how committed some people are to the original narrative. Absolutely no ability to look back with any kind of objectivity.

It's unbellieveale how much parents expect schools to do and don't seem to understand kids develop mental health issues sometimes due to genetics, sometimes situational, etc. This wasn't a school issue. It sounds like its a family issue especially looking at the behavior of the parent on here.

Honestly stfu crazy lady still forcing your kids to be virtual.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Oof I feel you - and f-u to the PP suggesting it was your fault. I also wish more than anything we could turn the clock back and take steps to ensure our son wasn’t isolated. Seriously, I would have just moved to Florida. The only bright side is that I understand better now how important it is to fight against isolation.

Your child wasn't isolated except if you didn't make an effort socially. You'd rather blame others and covid when it was your responsibility to make sure he gets the socialization he needs as clearly he cannot get what he needs at home.

Oh f off. There’s a place children are supposed to socialize - school. It was closed, remember? I wanted to send my child but the teachers union wouldnt let me. And of course playdates were supposed to be limited. And people (like you maybe) were also whining that pods were inequitable. https://www.npr.org/2020/07/28/896334963/pandemic-pods-raise-concerns-about-equity

DP. I posted back that I had MS aged kids and set up a pod group to hang out on Weds and weekends. Politicians don’t know anything about adolescent psychology, which is why I ignored people like Robert White. Adolescence is all about peers. I did my best to create something positive during a very negative time.

As for the whole “why don’t we rehash” vs the “shut up and move on” crowds. There are folks who want answer and there are the folks who know there won’t be any. Politicians were trying to do their best with limited information and a tsunami of misinformation. I know there won’t be answers and don’t want to revisit the sh*tty time because invariably you encounter the anti-vaxx nonsense that doesn’t need airtime.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me the rigid resistance to reflecting on how covid was managed?

It is infuriating. It stems from a refusal to acknowledge that the pandemic itself and measures to manage it had any negative consequences. There is so much more to examine than just schools. However, when it comes to schools, potential harm was completely downplayed in closure discussions, so any acknowledgment whatsoever of widespread struggles looks bad for all of those, including teachers' union officials and school board members, who said that everything would be fine.

2020: We can address problems closures create, but we can't bring the dead back to life.

2023: Be happy you and your family aren't dead. We can't be bothered to help with your problems (or acknowledge them in any way).

The closures came with a promise that we would all come together to compassionately deal with the fallout. That broken promise, not the restrictions or closures themselves, will continue to cause harm unless it is acknowledged and examined.

The unmasking came with a promise that as an immune-compromised person, I’d be able to mask in public (which doesn’t work as well, but put that aside for a moment) without people venting their spleen about the pandemic and how it was handled at me on the daily. That also happens, though.

Nobody says this to you “on the daily.” You go out of your way to find it written on the internet.

You are mistaken and I don’t know why you are so convinced you know, except that people like you always think they do.

It’s impossible to have this discussion if people like you make up things that don’t even make sense. In public, random people don’t “vent their spleen” to you daily about masking during Covid. This thread alone demonstrates you are full of condensed milk because evidently it’s an ultra rare mental condition to question the insanity that played out on a grand scale.

The reaction to any questioning of how dumb all this was immediately tells you it was a mistake. Nobody like criticism and there is a very strong effort at every turn to combat any attempt to show how wrong all these Covid policies were.

It’s also impossible to have this conversation if you can’t acknowledge that some of the people who most want to be in an “accountability” process on COVID are, in fact, people who mouth off at strangers who are wearing masks today, for whatever their alleged reasons for doing that are.

Pretending that it is not happening is not going to give you a group of more rational actors to bring to the table for this process. Some of the people angriest about the pandemic are completely out of their minds with rage—almost no longer able to live in a society in which any kind of expertise guides government, because they suspect the entire premise.

For all the sound and fury about "anti-maskers" on DCUM, I have never witnessed any sort of anti-mask altercation. On the other hand, I have experienced A. Maskers refusing to get in an elevator with me on several occasions ("I'll wait for the next one") B. Maskers refusing to wash their hands next to me in the bathroom and even peeking out from the corner of their stall to watch for when I left (This happened twice). This was after mask mandates were lifted. The side that treats human beings as walking disease vectors seems far more irrational, in my opinion.

I hardly doubt this but if you aren't masking I could see why someone wouldn't want to be near you in an elevator that is small and closed. I don't want to be close to anyone, but especially those not masking and not taking any precautions.

I had someone make a nasty comment once. What ever.

Maybe you can see that. Your life, your perspective, your views. I think it is hypochondriacal and deranged to avoid interaction with healthy people showing zero symptoms.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me the rigid resistance to reflecting on how covid was managed?

It is infuriating. It stems from a refusal to acknowledge that the pandemic itself and measures to manage it had any negative consequences. There is so much more to examine than just schools. However, when it comes to schools, potential harm was completely downplayed in closure discussions, so any acknowledgment whatsoever of widespread struggles looks bad for all of those, including teachers' union officials and school board members, who said that everything would be fine.

2020: We can address problems closures create, but we can't bring the dead back to life.

2023: Be happy you and your family aren't dead. We can't be bothered to help with your problems (or acknowledge them in any way).

The closures came with a promise that we would all come together to compassionately deal with the fallout. That broken promise, not the restrictions or closures themselves, will continue to cause harm unless it is acknowledged and examined.

The unmasking came with a promise that as an immune-compromised person, I’d be able to mask in public (which doesn’t work as well, but put that aside for a moment) without people venting their spleen about the pandemic and how it was handled at me on the daily. That also happens, though.

Nobody says this to you “on the daily.” You go out of your way to find it written on the internet.

You are mistaken and I don’t know why you are so convinced you know, except that people like you always think they do.

It’s impossible to have this discussion if people like you make up things that don’t even make sense. In public, random people don’t “vent their spleen” to you daily about masking during Covid. This thread alone demonstrates you are full of condensed milk because evidently it’s an ultra rare mental condition to question the insanity that played out on a grand scale.

The reaction to any questioning of how dumb all this was immediately tells you it was a mistake. Nobody like criticism and there is a very strong effort at every turn to combat any attempt to show how wrong all these Covid policies were.

It’s also impossible to have this conversation if you can’t acknowledge that some of the people who most want to be in an “accountability” process on COVID are, in fact, people who mouth off at strangers who are wearing masks today, for whatever their alleged reasons for doing that are.

Pretending that it is not happening is not going to give you a group of more rational actors to bring to the table for this process. Some of the people angriest about the pandemic are completely out of their minds with rage—almost no longer able to live in a society in which any kind of expertise guides government, because they suspect the entire premise.

For all the sound and fury about "anti-maskers" on DCUM, I have never witnessed any sort of anti-mask altercation. On the other hand, I have experienced A. Maskers refusing to get in an elevator with me on several occasions ("I'll wait for the next one") B. Maskers refusing to wash their hands next to me in the bathroom and even peeking out from the corner of their stall to watch for when I left (This happened twice). This was after mask mandates were lifted. The side that treats human beings as walking disease vectors seems far more irrational, in my opinion.

I hardly doubt this but if you aren't masking I could see why someone wouldn't want to be near you in an elevator that is small and closed. I don't want to be close to anyone, but especially those not masking and not taking any precautions.

I had someone make a nasty comment once. What ever.

Maybe you can see that. Your life, your perspective, your views. I think it is hypochondriacal and deranged to avoid interaction with healthy people showing zero symptoms.

Often people hide being sick with medication or don’t know they are getting sick or contagious. Sone of us have real health issues and getting colds or Covid is very rough. Maybe your kids see you have no empathy or concern for others and your lack of warmth, and kindness is impacting them. Why do you care if someone else is careful or masks? If I get sick, are you going to care for my family? No, so I need to stay healthy. My kids already worry I will die with my health issues, don’t need to give them one more thing to worry about.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Oof I feel you - and f-u to the PP suggesting it was your fault. I also wish more than anything we could turn the clock back and take steps to ensure our son wasn’t isolated. Seriously, I would have just moved to Florida. The only bright side is that I understand better now how important it is to fight against isolation.

Your child wasn't isolated except if you didn't make an effort socially. You'd rather blame others and covid when it was your responsibility to make sure he gets the socialization he needs as clearly he cannot get what he needs at home.

Oh f off. There’s a place children are supposed to socialize - school. It was closed, remember? I wanted to send my child but the teachers union wouldnt let me. And of course playdates were supposed to be limited. And people (like you maybe) were also whining that pods were inequitable. https://www.npr.org/2020/07/28/896334963/pandemic-pods-raise-concerns-about-equity

DP. I posted back that I had MS aged kids and set up a pod group to hang out on Weds and weekends. Politicians don’t know anything about adolescent psychology, which is why I ignored people like Robert White. Adolescence is all about peers. I did my best to create something positive during a very negative time.

As for the whole “why don’t we rehash” vs the “shut up and move on” crowds. There are folks who want answer and there are the folks who know there won’t be any. Politicians were trying to do their best with limited information and a tsunami of misinformation. I know there won’t be answers and don’t want to revisit the sh*tty time because invariably you encounter the anti-vaxx nonsense that doesn’t need airtime.

Politicians failed to take it seriously and fix it. The vaccines were not as good as those here wanted to believe.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Oof I feel you - and f-u to the PP suggesting it was your fault. I also wish more than anything we could turn the clock back and take steps to ensure our son wasn’t isolated. Seriously, I would have just moved to Florida. The only bright side is that I understand better now how important it is to fight against isolation.

Your child wasn't isolated except if you didn't make an effort socially. You'd rather blame others and covid when it was your responsibility to make sure he gets the socialization he needs as clearly he cannot get what he needs at home.

It is unbelievable how committed some people are to the original narrative. Absolutely no ability to look back with any kind of objectivity.

It's unbellieveale how much parents expect schools to do and don't seem to understand kids develop mental health issues sometimes due to genetics, sometimes situational, etc. This wasn't a school issue. It sounds like its a family issue especially looking at the behavior of the parent on here.

Honestly stfu crazy lady still forcing your kids to be virtual.

My kids are fine and in plenty of outside things. I’m not the one complaining about it so clearly we did something right. Sorry your kids are still struggling. Maybe send them to boarding school since you need school to parent them.

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Some time in the future...

"Grandpa, were you alive during COVID?"

"I certainly was! It was very scary."

"Did you know a lot of people who died?"

"Well, no. But 7 million people died!"

"7 million people died in our country alone? Yikes!"

"Well, no. Around the world."

"In a week or two?"

"Well, no. But over the course of 2 1/2 years."

"What was the world population then?"

"7 billion."

"So 0.1% of the world's population died over 2 1/2 years. But I suppose a lot of them were children, so that's sad."

"Well, no. COVID barely affected children. It was almost entirely people in their mid '70s or older who died."

"Mid '70s?! What was life expectancy back then?"

"Um, if I remember correctly it was around, uh, mid-70s."

*awkward silence*

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me the rigid resistance to reflecting on how covid was managed?

It is infuriating. It stems from a refusal to acknowledge that the pandemic itself and measures to manage it had any negative consequences. There is so much more to examine than just schools. However, when it comes to schools, potential harm was completely downplayed in closure discussions, so any acknowledgment whatsoever of widespread struggles looks bad for all of those, including teachers' union officials and school board members, who said that everything would be fine.

2020: We can address problems closures create, but we can't bring the dead back to life.

2023: Be happy you and your family aren't dead. We can't be bothered to help with your problems (or acknowledge them in any way).

The closures came with a promise that we would all come together to compassionately deal with the fallout. That broken promise, not the restrictions or closures themselves, will continue to cause harm unless it is acknowledged and examined.

The unmasking came with a promise that as an immune-compromised person, I’d be able to mask in public (which doesn’t work as well, but put that aside for a moment) without people venting their spleen about the pandemic and how it was handled at me on the daily. That also happens, though.

Nobody says this to you “on the daily.” You go out of your way to find it written on the internet.

You are mistaken and I don’t know why you are so convinced you know, except that people like you always think they do.

It’s impossible to have this discussion if people like you make up things that don’t even make sense. In public, random people don’t “vent their spleen” to you daily about masking during Covid. This thread alone demonstrates you are full of condensed milk because evidently it’s an ultra rare mental condition to question the insanity that played out on a grand scale.

The reaction to any questioning of how dumb all this was immediately tells you it was a mistake. Nobody like criticism and there is a very strong effort at every turn to combat any attempt to show how wrong all these Covid policies were.

It’s also impossible to have this conversation if you can’t acknowledge that some of the people who most want to be in an “accountability” process on COVID are, in fact, people who mouth off at strangers who are wearing masks today, for whatever their alleged reasons for doing that are.

Pretending that it is not happening is not going to give you a group of more rational actors to bring to the table for this process. Some of the people angriest about the pandemic are completely out of their minds with rage—almost no longer able to live in a society in which any kind of expertise guides government, because they suspect the entire premise.

For all the sound and fury about "anti-maskers" on DCUM, I have never witnessed any sort of anti-mask altercation. On the other hand, I have experienced A. Maskers refusing to get in an elevator with me on several occasions ("I'll wait for the next one") B. Maskers refusing to wash their hands next to me in the bathroom and even peeking out from the corner of their stall to watch for when I left (This happened twice). This was after mask mandates were lifted. The side that treats human beings as walking disease vectors seems far more irrational, in my opinion.

I hardly doubt this but if you aren't masking I could see why someone wouldn't want to be near you in an elevator that is small and closed. I don't want to be close to anyone, but especially those not masking and not taking any precautions.

I had someone make a nasty comment once. What ever.

Maybe you can see that. Your life, your perspective, your views. I think it is hypochondriacal and deranged to avoid interaction with healthy people showing zero symptoms.

Often people hide being sick with medication or don’t know they are getting sick or contagious. Sone of us have real health issues and getting colds or Covid is very rough. Maybe your kids see you have no empathy or concern for others and your lack of warmth, and kindness is impacting them. Why do you care if someone else is careful or masks? If I get sick, are you going to care for my family? No, so I need to stay healthy. My kids already worry I will die with my health issues, don’t need to give them one more thing to worry about.

DP. Good job passing your anxiety to them

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Oof I feel you - and f-u to the PP suggesting it was your fault. I also wish more than anything we could turn the clock back and take steps to ensure our son wasn’t isolated. Seriously, I would have just moved to Florida. The only bright side is that I understand better now how important it is to fight against isolation.

Your child wasn't isolated except if you didn't make an effort socially. You'd rather blame others and covid when it was your responsibility to make sure he gets the socialization he needs as clearly he cannot get what he needs at home.

It is unbelievable how committed some people are to the original narrative. Absolutely no ability to look back with any kind of objectivity.

It's unbellieveale how much parents expect schools to do and don't seem to understand kids develop mental health issues sometimes due to genetics, sometimes situational, etc. This wasn't a school issue. It sounds like its a family issue especially looking at the behavior of the parent on here.

Honestly stfu crazy lady still forcing your kids to be virtual.

My kids are fine and in plenty of outside things. I’m not the one complaining about it so clearly we did something right. Sorry your kids are still struggling. Maybe send them to boarding school since you need school to parent them.

Maybe reflect on why you are unable to allow anyone to have an experience other than yours. And why you are so hostile.

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"Grandpa, were you alive during COVID?"

"I certainly was! It was very scary."

"Did you know a lot of people who died?"

"Well, no. But 7 million people died!"

"7 million people died in our country alone? Yikes!"

"Well, no. Around the world."

"In a week or two?"

"Well, no. But over the course of 2 1/2 years."

"What was the world population then?"

"7 billion."

"So 0.1% of the world's population died over 2 1/2 years. But I suppose a lot of them were children, so that's sad."

"Well, no. COVID barely affected children. It was almost entirely people in their mid '70s or older who died."

"Mid '70s?! What was life expectancy back then?"

"Um, if I remember correctly it was around, uh, mid-70s."

*awkward silence*

SPOT ON

Not sure why we, as a society, were so quick to ignore statistics and Science. We succumbed to the ridiculous politicians who wanted to shut everything down. Even when we had the stats to show that wasn’t necessary. We allowed the media to silence opposing voices.

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^^^ And, I’ll add that there are people who don’t want to look back and evaluate the errors that were made.

Why is that? Why would you not want to learn from our mistakes for the next time something like this happens? Our public health officials deserve some scrutiny. Fauci and the rest screwed up royally.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Oof I feel you - and f-u to the PP suggesting it was your fault. I also wish more than anything we could turn the clock back and take steps to ensure our son wasn’t isolated. Seriously, I would have just moved to Florida. The only bright side is that I understand better now how important it is to fight against isolation.

Your child wasn't isolated except if you didn't make an effort socially. You'd rather blame others and covid when it was your responsibility to make sure he gets the socialization he needs as clearly he cannot get what he needs at home.

It is unbelievable how committed some people are to the original narrative. Absolutely no ability to look back with any kind of objectivity.

It's unbellieveale how much parents expect schools to do and don't seem to understand kids develop mental health issues sometimes due to genetics, sometimes situational, etc. This wasn't a school issue. It sounds like its a family issue especially looking at the behavior of the parent on here.

Honestly stfu crazy lady still forcing your kids to be virtual.

My kids are fine and in plenty of outside things. I’m not the one complaining about it so clearly we did something right. Sorry your kids are still struggling. Maybe send them to boarding school since you need school to parent them.

You have serious problems. Everyone knows that. You are a serial DCUM poster who *immediately* goes to insulting parents every time they say anything negative about school closure.

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The Amish are smarter than the rest of the rubes in Amerika