Unintended Consequences of Covid

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

Let's do that then. But, it won't happen.

Instead, we got a bunch of unelected bureaucrats that were able to drive a hummer through the front of your house, get out of the hummer, say "oh well", and walk home. People should not have that kind of power without some kind of proper vetting or some kind of accountability. Something. Even the politicians associated with the agencies weren't held accountable. Not - oops, we totally screwed up. Even worse, the entire time these dorks were patting themselves on the back while the remainder of their profession were clapping like seals while the house was on fire.

Humans in a society governed by some kind of representative government have known this for a very long time. Why do you think there is a nomination process for life-time Federal Judicial appointments?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That chart makes it appear the suicide rate was rising year over year even before COVID.

It has been. Suicide rates were already increasing upwards. See the work of Dr Tyler Black

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Parents who lost their kids and kids who have lost their parents due to COVID have a different take than you. The world pretends that losing over 1 million lives in the US is normal. We are still losing $1K/month.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me the rigid resistance to reflecting on how covid was managed?

It is infuriating. It stems from a refusal to acknowledge that the pandemic itself and measures to manage it had any negative consequences. There is so much more to examine than just schools. However, when it comes to schools, potential harm was completely downplayed in closure discussions, so any acknowledgment whatsoever of widespread struggles looks bad for all of those, including teachers' union officials and school board members, who said that everything would be fine.

2020: We can address problems closures create, but we can't bring the dead back to life.

2023: Be happy you and your family aren't dead. We can't be bothered to help with your problems (or acknowledge them in any way).

The closures came with a promise that we would all come together to compassionately deal with the fallout. That broken promise, not the restrictions or closures themselves, will continue to cause harm unless it is acknowledged and examined.

The unmasking came with a promise that as an immune-compromised person, I’d be able to mask in public (which doesn’t work as well, but put that aside for a moment) without people venting their spleen about the pandemic and how it was handled at me on the daily. That also happens, though.

Nobody says this to you “on the daily.” You go out of your way to find it written on the internet.

You are mistaken and I don’t know why you are so convinced you know, except that people like you always think they do.

It’s impossible to have this discussion if people like you make up things that don’t even make sense. In public, random people don’t “vent their spleen” to you daily about masking during Covid. This thread alone demonstrates you are full of condensed milk because evidently it’s an ultra rare mental condition to question the insanity that played out on a grand scale.

The reaction to any questioning of how dumb all this was immediately tells you it was a mistake. Nobody like criticism and there is a very strong effort at every turn to combat any attempt to show how wrong all these Covid policies were.

It’s also impossible to have this conversation if you can’t acknowledge that some of the people who most want to be in an “accountability” process on COVID are, in fact, people who mouth off at strangers who are wearing masks today, for whatever their alleged reasons for doing that are.

Pretending that it is not happening is not going to give you a group of more rational actors to bring to the table for this process. Some of the people angriest about the pandemic are completely out of their minds with rage—almost no longer able to live in a society in which any kind of expertise guides government, because they suspect the entire premise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Sounds like there is far more going on and you just need something to blame.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me the rigid resistance to reflecting on how covid was managed?

It is infuriating. It stems from a refusal to acknowledge that the pandemic itself and measures to manage it had any negative consequences. There is so much more to examine than just schools. However, when it comes to schools, potential harm was completely downplayed in closure discussions, so any acknowledgment whatsoever of widespread struggles looks bad for all of those, including teachers' union officials and school board members, who said that everything would be fine.

2020: We can address problems closures create, but we can't bring the dead back to life.

2023: Be happy you and your family aren't dead. We can't be bothered to help with your problems (or acknowledge them in any way).

The closures came with a promise that we would all come together to compassionately deal with the fallout. That broken promise, not the restrictions or closures themselves, will continue to cause harm unless it is acknowledged and examined.

The unmasking came with a promise that as an immune-compromised person, I’d be able to mask in public (which doesn’t work as well, but put that aside for a moment) without people venting their spleen about the pandemic and how it was handled at me on the daily. That also happens, though.

Nobody says this to you “on the daily.” You go out of your way to find it written on the internet.

You are mistaken and I don’t know why you are so convinced you know, except that people like you always think they do.

It’s impossible to have this discussion if people like you make up things that don’t even make sense. In public, random people don’t “vent their spleen” to you daily about masking during Covid. This thread alone demonstrates you are full of condensed milk because evidently it’s an ultra rare mental condition to question the insanity that played out on a grand scale.

The reaction to any questioning of how dumb all this was immediately tells you it was a mistake. Nobody like criticism and there is a very strong effort at every turn to combat any attempt to show how wrong all these Covid policies were.

It’s also impossible to have this conversation if you can’t acknowledge that some of the people who most want to be in an “accountability” process on COVID are, in fact, people who mouth off at strangers who are wearing masks today, for whatever their alleged reasons for doing that are.

Pretending that it is not happening is not going to give you a group of more rational actors to bring to the table for this process. Some of the people angriest about the pandemic are completely out of their minds with rage—almost no longer able to live in a society in which any kind of expertise guides government, because they suspect the entire premise.

For all the sound and fury about "anti-maskers" on DCUM, I have never witnessed any sort of anti-mask altercation. On the other hand, I have experienced A. Maskers refusing to get in an elevator with me on several occasions ("I'll wait for the next one") B. Maskers refusing to wash their hands next to me in the bathroom and even peeking out from the corner of their stall to watch for when I left (This happened twice). This was after mask mandates were lifted. The side that treats human beings as walking disease vectors seems far more irrational, in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Oof I feel you - and f-u to the PP suggesting it was your fault. I also wish more than anything we could turn the clock back and take steps to ensure our son wasn’t isolated. Seriously, I would have just moved to Florida. The only bright side is that I understand better now how important it is to fight against isolation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me the rigid resistance to reflecting on how covid was managed?

It is infuriating. It stems from a refusal to acknowledge that the pandemic itself and measures to manage it had any negative consequences. There is so much more to examine than just schools. However, when it comes to schools, potential harm was completely downplayed in closure discussions, so any acknowledgment whatsoever of widespread struggles looks bad for all of those, including teachers' union officials and school board members, who said that everything would be fine.

2020: We can address problems closures create, but we can't bring the dead back to life.

2023: Be happy you and your family aren't dead. We can't be bothered to help with your problems (or acknowledge them in any way).

The closures came with a promise that we would all come together to compassionately deal with the fallout. That broken promise, not the restrictions or closures themselves, will continue to cause harm unless it is acknowledged and examined.

The unmasking came with a promise that as an immune-compromised person, I’d be able to mask in public (which doesn’t work as well, but put that aside for a moment) without people venting their spleen about the pandemic and how it was handled at me on the daily. That also happens, though.

Nobody says this to you “on the daily.” You go out of your way to find it written on the internet.

You are mistaken and I don’t know why you are so convinced you know, except that people like you always think they do.

It’s impossible to have this discussion if people like you make up things that don’t even make sense. In public, random people don’t “vent their spleen” to you daily about masking during Covid. This thread alone demonstrates you are full of condensed milk because evidently it’s an ultra rare mental condition to question the insanity that played out on a grand scale.

The reaction to any questioning of how dumb all this was immediately tells you it was a mistake. Nobody like criticism and there is a very strong effort at every turn to combat any attempt to show how wrong all these Covid policies were.

It’s also impossible to have this conversation if you can’t acknowledge that some of the people who most want to be in an “accountability” process on COVID are, in fact, people who mouth off at strangers who are wearing masks today, for whatever their alleged reasons for doing that are.

Pretending that it is not happening is not going to give you a group of more rational actors to bring to the table for this process. Some of the people angriest about the pandemic are completely out of their minds with rage—almost no longer able to live in a society in which any kind of expertise guides government, because they suspect the entire premise.

For all the sound and fury about "anti-maskers" on DCUM, I have never witnessed any sort of anti-mask altercation. On the other hand, I have experienced A. Maskers refusing to get in an elevator with me on several occasions ("I'll wait for the next one") B. Maskers refusing to wash their hands next to me in the bathroom and even peeking out from the corner of their stall to watch for when I left (This happened twice). This was after mask mandates were lifted. The side that treats human beings as walking disease vectors seems far more irrational, in my opinion.

Several people avoided you! Outrageous. Clearly a sign that every single person wearing a mask today is irrational.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me the rigid resistance to reflecting on how covid was managed?

It is infuriating. It stems from a refusal to acknowledge that the pandemic itself and measures to manage it had any negative consequences. There is so much more to examine than just schools. However, when it comes to schools, potential harm was completely downplayed in closure discussions, so any acknowledgment whatsoever of widespread struggles looks bad for all of those, including teachers' union officials and school board members, who said that everything would be fine.

2020: We can address problems closures create, but we can't bring the dead back to life.

2023: Be happy you and your family aren't dead. We can't be bothered to help with your problems (or acknowledge them in any way).

The closures came with a promise that we would all come together to compassionately deal with the fallout. That broken promise, not the restrictions or closures themselves, will continue to cause harm unless it is acknowledged and examined.

The unmasking came with a promise that as an immune-compromised person, I’d be able to mask in public (which doesn’t work as well, but put that aside for a moment) without people venting their spleen about the pandemic and how it was handled at me on the daily. That also happens, though.

Nobody says this to you “on the daily.” You go out of your way to find it written on the internet.

You are mistaken and I don’t know why you are so convinced you know, except that people like you always think they do.

It’s impossible to have this discussion if people like you make up things that don’t even make sense. In public, random people don’t “vent their spleen” to you daily about masking during Covid. This thread alone demonstrates you are full of condensed milk because evidently it’s an ultra rare mental condition to question the insanity that played out on a grand scale.

The reaction to any questioning of how dumb all this was immediately tells you it was a mistake. Nobody like criticism and there is a very strong effort at every turn to combat any attempt to show how wrong all these Covid policies were.

It’s also impossible to have this conversation if you can’t acknowledge that some of the people who most want to be in an “accountability” process on COVID are, in fact, people who mouth off at strangers who are wearing masks today, for whatever their alleged reasons for doing that are.

Pretending that it is not happening is not going to give you a group of more rational actors to bring to the table for this process. Some of the people angriest about the pandemic are completely out of their minds with rage—almost no longer able to live in a society in which any kind of expertise guides government, because they suspect the entire premise.

Are you talking about Twitter people or actual people?

But yeah- I absolutely “suspect the entire premise” in a way I did not pre-covid. It was shocking to see how people approached the school and child masking issue with complete denial of any negative impact on kids. We even had DC pols trying to shut down schools as recently as Jan 2022. Completely changed my viewpoint about the effectiveness and trustworthiness of government to handle a crisis.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me the rigid resistance to reflecting on how covid was managed?

It is infuriating. It stems from a refusal to acknowledge that the pandemic itself and measures to manage it had any negative consequences. There is so much more to examine than just schools. However, when it comes to schools, potential harm was completely downplayed in closure discussions, so any acknowledgment whatsoever of widespread struggles looks bad for all of those, including teachers' union officials and school board members, who said that everything would be fine.

2020: We can address problems closures create, but we can't bring the dead back to life.

2023: Be happy you and your family aren't dead. We can't be bothered to help with your problems (or acknowledge them in any way).

The closures came with a promise that we would all come together to compassionately deal with the fallout. That broken promise, not the restrictions or closures themselves, will continue to cause harm unless it is acknowledged and examined.

The unmasking came with a promise that as an immune-compromised person, I’d be able to mask in public (which doesn’t work as well, but put that aside for a moment) without people venting their spleen about the pandemic and how it was handled at me on the daily. That also happens, though.

Nobody says this to you “on the daily.” You go out of your way to find it written on the internet.

You are mistaken and I don’t know why you are so convinced you know, except that people like you always think they do.

It’s impossible to have this discussion if people like you make up things that don’t even make sense. In public, random people don’t “vent their spleen” to you daily about masking during Covid. This thread alone demonstrates you are full of condensed milk because evidently it’s an ultra rare mental condition to question the insanity that played out on a grand scale.

The reaction to any questioning of how dumb all this was immediately tells you it was a mistake. Nobody like criticism and there is a very strong effort at every turn to combat any attempt to show how wrong all these Covid policies were.

It’s also impossible to have this conversation if you can’t acknowledge that some of the people who most want to be in an “accountability” process on COVID are, in fact, people who mouth off at strangers who are wearing masks today, for whatever their alleged reasons for doing that are.

Pretending that it is not happening is not going to give you a group of more rational actors to bring to the table for this process. Some of the people angriest about the pandemic are completely out of their minds with rage—almost no longer able to live in a society in which any kind of expertise guides government, because they suspect the entire premise.

For all the sound and fury about "anti-maskers" on DCUM, I have never witnessed any sort of anti-mask altercation. On the other hand, I have experienced A. Maskers refusing to get in an elevator with me on several occasions ("I'll wait for the next one") B. Maskers refusing to wash their hands next to me in the bathroom and even peeking out from the corner of their stall to watch for when I left (This happened twice). This was after mask mandates were lifted. The side that treats human beings as walking disease vectors seems far more irrational, in my opinion.

I hardly doubt this but if you aren't masking I could see why someone wouldn't want to be near you in an elevator that is small and closed. I don't want to be close to anyone, but especially those not masking and not taking any precautions.

I had someone make a nasty comment once. What ever.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Oof I feel you - and f-u to the PP suggesting it was your fault. I also wish more than anything we could turn the clock back and take steps to ensure our son wasn’t isolated. Seriously, I would have just moved to Florida. The only bright side is that I understand better now how important it is to fight against isolation.

Your child wasn't isolated except if you didn't make an effort socially. You'd rather blame others and covid when it was your responsibility to make sure he gets the socialization he needs as clearly he cannot get what he needs at home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Oof I feel you - and f-u to the PP suggesting it was your fault. I also wish more than anything we could turn the clock back and take steps to ensure our son wasn’t isolated. Seriously, I would have just moved to Florida. The only bright side is that I understand better now how important it is to fight against isolation.

Your child wasn't isolated except if you didn't make an effort socially. You'd rather blame others and covid when it was your responsibility to make sure he gets the socialization he needs as clearly he cannot get what he needs at home.

It is unbelievable how committed some people are to the original narrative. Absolutely no ability to look back with any kind of objectivity.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Oof I feel you - and f-u to the PP suggesting it was your fault. I also wish more than anything we could turn the clock back and take steps to ensure our son wasn’t isolated. Seriously, I would have just moved to Florida. The only bright side is that I understand better now how important it is to fight against isolation.

Your child wasn't isolated except if you didn't make an effort socially. You'd rather blame others and covid when it was your responsibility to make sure he gets the socialization he needs as clearly he cannot get what he needs at home.

Oh f off. There’s a place children are supposed to socialize - school. It was closed, remember? I wanted to send my child but the teachers union wouldnt let me. And of course playdates were supposed to be limited. And people (like you maybe) were also whining that pods were inequitable. https://www.npr.org/2020/07/28/896334963/pandemic-pods-raise-concerns-about-equity

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Oof I feel you - and f-u to the PP suggesting it was your fault. I also wish more than anything we could turn the clock back and take steps to ensure our son wasn’t isolated. Seriously, I would have just moved to Florida. The only bright side is that I understand better now how important it is to fight against isolation.

Your child wasn't isolated except if you didn't make an effort socially. You'd rather blame others and covid when it was your responsibility to make sure he gets the socialization he needs as clearly he cannot get what he needs at home.

Oh f off. There’s a place children are supposed to socialize - school. It was closed, remember? I wanted to send my child but the teachers union wouldnt let me. And of course playdates were supposed to be limited. And people (like you maybe) were also whining that pods were inequitable. https://www.npr.org/2020/07/28/896334963/pandemic-pods-raise-concerns-about-equity

So, basically you see no responsibilities for your child in terms of mental health and socialization. Maybe that is why your kids are struggling so much. You can take them to a playground, you can sign them up for activities, you can invite other kids or families over, lots of things you can do.

My kids have been in virtual school for three years now and are ok. We never did a pod. We very much limited social interactions till recently and still don't do much indoors. Kids sometimes develop mental health issues and as a parent you need to change your lifestyle and get them the mental health they need. But, it's far easier to lame others. Teachers had zero say, and it was closed for health and safety reasons. Many people died from covid. Be blessed you did not lose anyone.

This is a parenting issue, not a covid or school issue.