Unintended Consequences of Covid

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Oof I feel you - and f-u to the PP suggesting it was your fault. I also wish more than anything we could turn the clock back and take steps to ensure our son wasn’t isolated. Seriously, I would have just moved to Florida. The only bright side is that I understand better now how important it is to fight against isolation.

Your child wasn't isolated except if you didn't make an effort socially. You'd rather blame others and covid when it was your responsibility to make sure he gets the socialization he needs as clearly he cannot get what he needs at home.

It is unbelievable how committed some people are to the original narrative. Absolutely no ability to look back with any kind of objectivity.

It's unbellieveale how much parents expect schools to do and don't seem to understand kids develop mental health issues sometimes due to genetics, sometimes situational, etc. This wasn't a school issue. It sounds like its a family issue especially looking at the behavior of the parent on here.

Honestly stfu crazy lady still forcing your kids to be virtual.

My kids are fine and in plenty of outside things. I’m not the one complaining about it so clearly we did something right. Sorry your kids are still struggling. Maybe send them to boarding school since you need school to parent them.

Maybe reflect on why you are unable to allow anyone to have an experience other than yours. And why you are so hostile.

What I find so chilling is that for a significant period of time, people like this clearly disordered PP were allowed to have so much influence on public policy. I’m thinking about “pumpkin mom” et al who got idiots like Robert White to propose legislation keeping schools closed in 2022. I’m thankful that cooler heads prevailed on the Council and in DCPS … eventually. Otherwise we could have been like Richmond or SF - closed all of 2021, masking all of 2022.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Oof I feel you - and f-u to the PP suggesting it was your fault. I also wish more than anything we could turn the clock back and take steps to ensure our son wasn’t isolated. Seriously, I would have just moved to Florida. The only bright side is that I understand better now how important it is to fight against isolation.

Your child wasn't isolated except if you didn't make an effort socially. You'd rather blame others and covid when it was your responsibility to make sure he gets the socialization he needs as clearly he cannot get what he needs at home.

It is unbelievable how committed some people are to the original narrative. Absolutely no ability to look back with any kind of objectivity.

It's unbellieveale how much parents expect schools to do and don't seem to understand kids develop mental health issues sometimes due to genetics, sometimes situational, etc. This wasn't a school issue. It sounds like its a family issue especially looking at the behavior of the parent on here.

Honestly stfu crazy lady still forcing your kids to be virtual.

My kids are fine and in plenty of outside things. I’m not the one complaining about it so clearly we did something right. Sorry your kids are still struggling. Maybe send them to boarding school since you need school to parent them.

You have serious problems. Everyone knows that. You are a serial DCUM poster who *immediately* goes to insulting parents every time they say anything negative about school closure.

Your kids have been back in person for over two years, TWO years. So, why are you still having break downs over having to have your kids virtual and at home for a year? Is your mental health that bad that you really struggle with parenting? And, if so, consider boarding school. It's been over for two years for most people. TWO!!! Stop blaming covid already.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me the rigid resistance to reflecting on how covid was managed?

It is infuriating. It stems from a refusal to acknowledge that the pandemic itself and measures to manage it had any negative consequences. There is so much more to examine than just schools. However, when it comes to schools, potential harm was completely downplayed in closure discussions, so any acknowledgment whatsoever of widespread struggles looks bad for all of those, including teachers' union officials and school board members, who said that everything would be fine.

2020: We can address problems closures create, but we can't bring the dead back to life.

2023: Be happy you and your family aren't dead. We can't be bothered to help with your problems (or acknowledge them in any way).

The closures came with a promise that we would all come together to compassionately deal with the fallout. That broken promise, not the restrictions or closures themselves, will continue to cause harm unless it is acknowledged and examined.

The unmasking came with a promise that as an immune-compromised person, I’d be able to mask in public (which doesn’t work as well, but put that aside for a moment) without people venting their spleen about the pandemic and how it was handled at me on the daily. That also happens, though.

Nobody says this to you “on the daily.” You go out of your way to find it written on the internet.

You are mistaken and I don’t know why you are so convinced you know, except that people like you always think they do.

It’s impossible to have this discussion if people like you make up things that don’t even make sense. In public, random people don’t “vent their spleen” to you daily about masking during Covid. This thread alone demonstrates you are full of condensed milk because evidently it’s an ultra rare mental condition to question the insanity that played out on a grand scale.

The reaction to any questioning of how dumb all this was immediately tells you it was a mistake. Nobody like criticism and there is a very strong effort at every turn to combat any attempt to show how wrong all these Covid policies were.

It’s also impossible to have this conversation if you can’t acknowledge that some of the people who most want to be in an “accountability” process on COVID are, in fact, people who mouth off at strangers who are wearing masks today, for whatever their alleged reasons for doing that are.

Pretending that it is not happening is not going to give you a group of more rational actors to bring to the table for this process. Some of the people angriest about the pandemic are completely out of their minds with rage—almost no longer able to live in a society in which any kind of expertise guides government, because they suspect the entire premise.

For all the sound and fury about "anti-maskers" on DCUM, I have never witnessed any sort of anti-mask altercation. On the other hand, I have experienced A. Maskers refusing to get in an elevator with me on several occasions ("I'll wait for the next one") B. Maskers refusing to wash their hands next to me in the bathroom and even peeking out from the corner of their stall to watch for when I left (This happened twice). This was after mask mandates were lifted. The side that treats human beings as walking disease vectors seems far more irrational, in my opinion.

I hardly doubt this but if you aren't masking I could see why someone wouldn't want to be near you in an elevator that is small and closed. I don't want to be close to anyone, but especially those not masking and not taking any precautions.

I had someone make a nasty comment once. What ever.

Maybe you can see that. Your life, your perspective, your views. I think it is hypochondriacal and deranged to avoid interaction with healthy people showing zero symptoms.

Often people hide being sick with medication or don’t know they are getting sick or contagious. Sone of us have real health issues and getting colds or Covid is very rough. Maybe your kids see you have no empathy or concern for others and your lack of warmth, and kindness is impacting them. Why do you care if someone else is careful or masks? If I get sick, are you going to care for my family? No, so I need to stay healthy. My kids already worry I will die with my health issues, don’t need to give them one more thing to worry about.

DP. Good job passing your anxiety to them

I don't have anxiety, but good try. They have empathy and concern and lost a parent so they understand issues. Be thankful your kids don't have any understanding and hopefully they will learn empathy from others as they clearly don't from you.

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Anonymous wrote:Some time in the future...

"Grandpa, were you alive during COVID?"

"I certainly was! It was very scary."

"Did you know a lot of people who died?"

"Well, no. But 7 million people died!"

"7 million people died in our country alone? Yikes!"

"Well, no. Around the world."

"In a week or two?"

"Well, no. But over the course of 2 1/2 years."

"What was the world population then?"

"7 billion."

"So 0.1% of the world's population died over 2 1/2 years. But I suppose a lot of them were children, so that's sad."

"Well, no. COVID barely affected children. It was almost entirely people in their mid '70s or older who died."

"Mid '70s?! What was life expectancy back then?"

"Um, if I remember correctly it was around, uh, mid-70s."

*awkward silence*

Ummm yep

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Oof I feel you - and f-u to the PP suggesting it was your fault. I also wish more than anything we could turn the clock back and take steps to ensure our son wasn’t isolated. Seriously, I would have just moved to Florida. The only bright side is that I understand better now how important it is to fight against isolation.

Your child wasn't isolated except if you didn't make an effort socially. You'd rather blame others and covid when it was your responsibility to make sure he gets the socialization he needs as clearly he cannot get what he needs at home.

It is unbelievable how committed some people are to the original narrative. Absolutely no ability to look back with any kind of objectivity.

It's unbellieveale how much parents expect schools to do and don't seem to understand kids develop mental health issues sometimes due to genetics, sometimes situational, etc. This wasn't a school issue. It sounds like its a family issue especially looking at the behavior of the parent on here.

Honestly stfu crazy lady still forcing your kids to be virtual.

My kids are fine and in plenty of outside things. I’m not the one complaining about it so clearly we did something right. Sorry your kids are still struggling. Maybe send them to boarding school since you need school to parent them.

You have serious problems. Everyone knows that. You are a serial DCUM poster who *immediately* goes to insulting parents every time they say anything negative about school closure.

Your kids have been back in person for over two years, TWO years. So, why are you still having break downs over having to have your kids virtual and at home for a year? Is your mental health that bad that you really struggle with parenting? And, if so, consider boarding school. It's been over for two years for most people. TWO!!! Stop blaming covid already.

Have your kids ever had a job? Do they have the opportunity to meet new people and interact in person with people who aren't their friends on a regular basis?

Good parenting is preparing your kids to launch into the world, not keeping them in a bubble because of your own fears and needs.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Oof I feel you - and f-u to the PP suggesting it was your fault. I also wish more than anything we could turn the clock back and take steps to ensure our son wasn’t isolated. Seriously, I would have just moved to Florida. The only bright side is that I understand better now how important it is to fight against isolation.

Your child wasn't isolated except if you didn't make an effort socially. You'd rather blame others and covid when it was your responsibility to make sure he gets the socialization he needs as clearly he cannot get what he needs at home.

It is unbelievable how committed some people are to the original narrative. Absolutely no ability to look back with any kind of objectivity.

It's unbellieveale how much parents expect schools to do and don't seem to understand kids develop mental health issues sometimes due to genetics, sometimes situational, etc. This wasn't a school issue. It sounds like its a family issue especially looking at the behavior of the parent on here.

Honestly stfu crazy lady still forcing your kids to be virtual.

My kids are fine and in plenty of outside things. I’m not the one complaining about it so clearly we did something right. Sorry your kids are still struggling. Maybe send them to boarding school since you need school to parent them.

You have serious problems. Everyone knows that. You are a serial DCUM poster who *immediately* goes to insulting parents every time they say anything negative about school closure.

Your kids have been back in person for over two years, TWO years. So, why are you still having break downs over having to have your kids virtual and at home for a year? Is your mental health that bad that you really struggle with parenting? And, if so, consider boarding school. It's been over for two years for most people. TWO!!! Stop blaming covid already.

Have your kids ever had a job? Do they have the opportunity to meet new people and interact in person with people who aren't their friends on a regular basis?

Good parenting is preparing your kids to launch into the world, not keeping them in a bubble because of your own fears and needs.

Last time I checked they had to be a specific age to work. And, there are plenty of outdoor jobs. They socialize and are in activities. Somehow they survived it and your kids didn't. So, what is different? Either genetics and they were predisposed to mental health issues or homelife. My kids aren't in a bubble. You can distort things any way you want but you complaining two years later is a bit absurd. The difference is we made the effort to socialize our kids and have them continue in the things they enjoyed outside of school. You solely rely on school to feed, socialize, educate and exercise your kids so that's why it was a struggle for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Oof I feel you - and f-u to the PP suggesting it was your fault. I also wish more than anything we could turn the clock back and take steps to ensure our son wasn’t isolated. Seriously, I would have just moved to Florida. The only bright side is that I understand better now how important it is to fight against isolation.

Your child wasn't isolated except if you didn't make an effort socially. You'd rather blame others and covid when it was your responsibility to make sure he gets the socialization he needs as clearly he cannot get what he needs at home.

It is unbelievable how committed some people are to the original narrative. Absolutely no ability to look back with any kind of objectivity.

It's unbellieveale how much parents expect schools to do and don't seem to understand kids develop mental health issues sometimes due to genetics, sometimes situational, etc. This wasn't a school issue. It sounds like its a family issue especially looking at the behavior of the parent on here.

Honestly stfu crazy lady still forcing your kids to be virtual.

My kids are fine and in plenty of outside things. I’m not the one complaining about it so clearly we did something right. Sorry your kids are still struggling. Maybe send them to boarding school since you need school to parent them.

You have serious problems. Everyone knows that. You are a serial DCUM poster who *immediately* goes to insulting parents every time they say anything negative about school closure.

Your kids have been back in person for over two years, TWO years. So, why are you still having break downs over having to have your kids virtual and at home for a year? Is your mental health that bad that you really struggle with parenting? And, if so, consider boarding school. It's been over for two years for most people. TWO!!! Stop blaming covid already.

Have your kids ever had a job? Do they have the opportunity to meet new people and interact in person with people who aren't their friends on a regular basis?

Good parenting is preparing your kids to launch into the world, not keeping them in a bubble because of your own fears and needs.

Last time I checked they had to be a specific age to work. And, there are plenty of outdoor jobs. They socialize and are in activities. Somehow they survived it and your kids didn't. So, what is different? Either genetics and they were predisposed to mental health issues or homelife. My kids aren't in a bubble. You can distort things any way you want but you complaining two years later is a bit absurd. The difference is we made the effort to socialize our kids and have them continue in the things they enjoyed outside of school. You solely rely on school to feed, socialize, educate and exercise your kids so that's why it was a struggle for you.

So you have young kids who aren't old enough to work?

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Anonymous wrote:Some time in the future...

"Grandpa, were you alive during COVID?"

"I certainly was! It was very scary."

"Did you know a lot of people who died?"

"Well, no. But 7 million people died!"

"7 million people died in our country alone? Yikes!"

"Well, no. Around the world."

"In a week or two?"

"Well, no. But over the course of 2 1/2 years."

"What was the world population then?"

"7 billion."

"So 0.1% of the world's population died over 2 1/2 years. But I suppose a lot of them were children, so that's sad."

"Well, no. COVID barely affected children. It was almost entirely people in their mid '70s or older who died."

"Mid '70s?! What was life expectancy back then?"

"Um, if I remember correctly it was around, uh, mid-70s."

*awkward silence*

Wait until you tell them about 9/11

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me the rigid resistance to reflecting on how covid was managed?

It is infuriating. It stems from a refusal to acknowledge that the pandemic itself and measures to manage it had any negative consequences. There is so much more to examine than just schools. However, when it comes to schools, potential harm was completely downplayed in closure discussions, so any acknowledgment whatsoever of widespread struggles looks bad for all of those, including teachers' union officials and school board members, who said that everything would be fine.

2020: We can address problems closures create, but we can't bring the dead back to life.

2023: Be happy you and your family aren't dead. We can't be bothered to help with your problems (or acknowledge them in any way).

The closures came with a promise that we would all come together to compassionately deal with the fallout. That broken promise, not the restrictions or closures themselves, will continue to cause harm unless it is acknowledged and examined.

The unmasking came with a promise that as an immune-compromised person, I’d be able to mask in public (which doesn’t work as well, but put that aside for a moment) without people venting their spleen about the pandemic and how it was handled at me on the daily. That also happens, though.

Nobody says this to you “on the daily.” You go out of your way to find it written on the internet.

You are mistaken and I don’t know why you are so convinced you know, except that people like you always think they do.

It’s impossible to have this discussion if people like you make up things that don’t even make sense. In public, random people don’t “vent their spleen” to you daily about masking during Covid. This thread alone demonstrates you are full of condensed milk because evidently it’s an ultra rare mental condition to question the insanity that played out on a grand scale.

The reaction to any questioning of how dumb all this was immediately tells you it was a mistake. Nobody like criticism and there is a very strong effort at every turn to combat any attempt to show how wrong all these Covid policies were.

It’s also impossible to have this conversation if you can’t acknowledge that some of the people who most want to be in an “accountability” process on COVID are, in fact, people who mouth off at strangers who are wearing masks today, for whatever their alleged reasons for doing that are.

Pretending that it is not happening is not going to give you a group of more rational actors to bring to the table for this process. Some of the people angriest about the pandemic are completely out of their minds with rage—almost no longer able to live in a society in which any kind of expertise guides government, because they suspect the entire premise.

For all the sound and fury about "anti-maskers" on DCUM, I have never witnessed any sort of anti-mask altercation. On the other hand, I have experienced A. Maskers refusing to get in an elevator with me on several occasions ("I'll wait for the next one") B. Maskers refusing to wash their hands next to me in the bathroom and even peeking out from the corner of their stall to watch for when I left (This happened twice). This was after mask mandates were lifted. The side that treats human beings as walking disease vectors seems far more irrational, in my opinion.

I hardly doubt this but if you aren't masking I could see why someone wouldn't want to be near you in an elevator that is small and closed. I don't want to be close to anyone, but especially those not masking and not taking any precautions.

I had someone make a nasty comment once. What ever.

Maybe you can see that. Your life, your perspective, your views. I think it is hypochondriacal and deranged to avoid interaction with healthy people showing zero symptoms.

Often people hide being sick with medication or don’t know they are getting sick or contagious. Sone of us have real health issues and getting colds or Covid is very rough. Maybe your kids see you have no empathy or concern for others and your lack of warmth, and kindness is impacting them. Why do you care if someone else is careful or masks? If I get sick, are you going to care for my family? No, so I need to stay healthy. My kids already worry I will die with my health issues, don’t need to give them one more thing to worry about.

DP. Good job passing your anxiety to them

I don't have anxiety, but good try. They have empathy and concern and lost a parent so they understand issues. Be thankful your kids don't have any understanding and hopefully they will learn empathy from others as they clearly don't from you.

Yes you do.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Oof I feel you - and f-u to the PP suggesting it was your fault. I also wish more than anything we could turn the clock back and take steps to ensure our son wasn’t isolated. Seriously, I would have just moved to Florida. The only bright side is that I understand better now how important it is to fight against isolation.

Your child wasn't isolated except if you didn't make an effort socially. You'd rather blame others and covid when it was your responsibility to make sure he gets the socialization he needs as clearly he cannot get what he needs at home.

It is unbelievable how committed some people are to the original narrative. Absolutely no ability to look back with any kind of objectivity.

It's unbellieveale how much parents expect schools to do and don't seem to understand kids develop mental health issues sometimes due to genetics, sometimes situational, etc. This wasn't a school issue. It sounds like its a family issue especially looking at the behavior of the parent on here.

Honestly stfu crazy lady still forcing your kids to be virtual.

My kids are fine and in plenty of outside things. I’m not the one complaining about it so clearly we did something right. Sorry your kids are still struggling. Maybe send them to boarding school since you need school to parent them.

You have serious problems. Everyone knows that. You are a serial DCUM poster who *immediately* goes to insulting parents every time they say anything negative about school closure.

Your kids have been back in person for over two years, TWO years. So, why are you still having break downs over having to have your kids virtual and at home for a year? Is your mental health that bad that you really struggle with parenting? And, if so, consider boarding school. It's been over for two years for most people. TWO!!! Stop blaming covid already.

Have your kids ever had a job? Do they have the opportunity to meet new people and interact in person with people who aren't their friends on a regular basis?

Good parenting is preparing your kids to launch into the world, not keeping them in a bubble because of your own fears and needs.

Last time I checked they had to be a specific age to work. And, there are plenty of outdoor jobs. They socialize and are in activities. Somehow they survived it and your kids didn't. So, what is different? Either genetics and they were predisposed to mental health issues or homelife. My kids aren't in a bubble. You can distort things any way you want but you complaining two years later is a bit absurd. The difference is we made the effort to socialize our kids and have them continue in the things they enjoyed outside of school. You solely rely on school to feed, socialize, educate and exercise your kids so that's why it was a struggle for you.

So you have young kids who aren't old enough to work?

No, I don't expect young teens to work. They cannot work till they are 15. They go to summer school, activities, camps and just relax.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

A huge amount of time, effort, money, compassion, support, and therapy (out-of-network) continuing through the present has gone into supporting my kid, which is why I am passionate about learning from past mistakes so that others don't have to go through what my child did. I have the resources to help, but not everyone does.

However, if, earlier in the pandemic, I had a better understanding of the significant harm that prolonged isolation can cause and just how unhealthy it is for an adolescent to be deprived of in-person interactions and experiences, I would have made different decisions rather than listening to the voices cautioning against activities like outdoor sports, gatherings of any sort, etc. During the pandemic, I did everything I was asked - limited activities, wore masks, didn't travel, encouraged my child to interact with friends online, had him join online enrichment activities, monitored school work, spend time as a family - you name it, we did it. Turns out, that doesn't prepare an already shy and introverted teen to return to in-person activities in a world that pretends as though insolation was normal and blames kids and parents for not meeting developmentally necessary needs (that are impossible to satisfy within the family).

Oof I feel you - and f-u to the PP suggesting it was your fault. I also wish more than anything we could turn the clock back and take steps to ensure our son wasn’t isolated. Seriously, I would have just moved to Florida. The only bright side is that I understand better now how important it is to fight against isolation.

Your child wasn't isolated except if you didn't make an effort socially. You'd rather blame others and covid when it was your responsibility to make sure he gets the socialization he needs as clearly he cannot get what he needs at home.

It is unbelievable how committed some people are to the original narrative. Absolutely no ability to look back with any kind of objectivity.

It's unbellieveale how much parents expect schools to do and don't seem to understand kids develop mental health issues sometimes due to genetics, sometimes situational, etc. This wasn't a school issue. It sounds like its a family issue especially looking at the behavior of the parent on here.

Honestly stfu crazy lady still forcing your kids to be virtual.

My kids are fine and in plenty of outside things. I’m not the one complaining about it so clearly we did something right. Sorry your kids are still struggling. Maybe send them to boarding school since you need school to parent them.

You have serious problems. Everyone knows that. You are a serial DCUM poster who *immediately* goes to insulting parents every time they say anything negative about school closure.

Your kids have been back in person for over two years, TWO years. So, why are you still having break downs over having to have your kids virtual and at home for a year? Is your mental health that bad that you really struggle with parenting? And, if so, consider boarding school. It's been over for two years for most people. TWO!!! Stop blaming covid already.

DP. PP has a point. Kids have been back for two years. You seem to be ruminating on this topic obsessively.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me the rigid resistance to reflecting on how covid was managed?

It is infuriating. It stems from a refusal to acknowledge that the pandemic itself and measures to manage it had any negative consequences. There is so much more to examine than just schools. However, when it comes to schools, potential harm was completely downplayed in closure discussions, so any acknowledgment whatsoever of widespread struggles looks bad for all of those, including teachers' union officials and school board members, who said that everything would be fine.

2020: We can address problems closures create, but we can't bring the dead back to life.

2023: Be happy you and your family aren't dead. We can't be bothered to help with your problems (or acknowledge them in any way).

The closures came with a promise that we would all come together to compassionately deal with the fallout. That broken promise, not the restrictions or closures themselves, will continue to cause harm unless it is acknowledged and examined.

The unmasking came with a promise that as an immune-compromised person, I’d be able to mask in public (which doesn’t work as well, but put that aside for a moment) without people venting their spleen about the pandemic and how it was handled at me on the daily. That also happens, though.

Nobody says this to you “on the daily.” You go out of your way to find it written on the internet.

You are mistaken and I don’t know why you are so convinced you know, except that people like you always think they do.

It’s impossible to have this discussion if people like you make up things that don’t even make sense. In public, random people don’t “vent their spleen” to you daily about masking during Covid. This thread alone demonstrates you are full of condensed milk because evidently it’s an ultra rare mental condition to question the insanity that played out on a grand scale.

The reaction to any questioning of how dumb all this was immediately tells you it was a mistake. Nobody like criticism and there is a very strong effort at every turn to combat any attempt to show how wrong all these Covid policies were.

It’s also impossible to have this conversation if you can’t acknowledge that some of the people who most want to be in an “accountability” process on COVID are, in fact, people who mouth off at strangers who are wearing masks today, for whatever their alleged reasons for doing that are.

Pretending that it is not happening is not going to give you a group of more rational actors to bring to the table for this process. Some of the people angriest about the pandemic are completely out of their minds with rage—almost no longer able to live in a society in which any kind of expertise guides government, because they suspect the entire premise.

Are you talking about Twitter people or actual people?

But yeah- I absolutely “suspect the entire premise” in a way I did not pre-covid. It was shocking to see how people approached the school and child masking issue with complete denial of any negative impact on kids. We even had DC pols trying to shut down schools as recently as Jan 2022. Completely changed my viewpoint about the effectiveness and trustworthiness of government to handle a crisis.

So you’re an “actual person” admitting you have this view of government but also reflexively arguing that only someone on Twitter, not an “actual person,” could be as described? OK

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me the rigid resistance to reflecting on how covid was managed?

It is infuriating. It stems from a refusal to acknowledge that the pandemic itself and measures to manage it had any negative consequences. There is so much more to examine than just schools. However, when it comes to schools, potential harm was completely downplayed in closure discussions, so any acknowledgment whatsoever of widespread struggles looks bad for all of those, including teachers' union officials and school board members, who said that everything would be fine.

2020: We can address problems closures create, but we can't bring the dead back to life.

2023: Be happy you and your family aren't dead. We can't be bothered to help with your problems (or acknowledge them in any way).

The closures came with a promise that we would all come together to compassionately deal with the fallout. That broken promise, not the restrictions or closures themselves, will continue to cause harm unless it is acknowledged and examined.

The unmasking came with a promise that as an immune-compromised person, I’d be able to mask in public (which doesn’t work as well, but put that aside for a moment) without people venting their spleen about the pandemic and how it was handled at me on the daily. That also happens, though.

Nobody says this to you “on the daily.” You go out of your way to find it written on the internet.

You are mistaken and I don’t know why you are so convinced you know, except that people like you always think they do.

It’s impossible to have this discussion if people like you make up things that don’t even make sense. In public, random people don’t “vent their spleen” to you daily about masking during Covid. This thread alone demonstrates you are full of condensed milk because evidently it’s an ultra rare mental condition to question the insanity that played out on a grand scale.

The reaction to any questioning of how dumb all this was immediately tells you it was a mistake. Nobody like criticism and there is a very strong effort at every turn to combat any attempt to show how wrong all these Covid policies were.

It’s also impossible to have this conversation if you can’t acknowledge that some of the people who most want to be in an “accountability” process on COVID are, in fact, people who mouth off at strangers who are wearing masks today, for whatever their alleged reasons for doing that are.

Pretending that it is not happening is not going to give you a group of more rational actors to bring to the table for this process. Some of the people angriest about the pandemic are completely out of their minds with rage—almost no longer able to live in a society in which any kind of expertise guides government, because they suspect the entire premise.

For all the sound and fury about "anti-maskers" on DCUM, I have never witnessed any sort of anti-mask altercation. On the other hand, I have experienced A. Maskers refusing to get in an elevator with me on several occasions ("I'll wait for the next one") B. Maskers refusing to wash their hands next to me in the bathroom and even peeking out from the corner of their stall to watch for when I left (This happened twice). This was after mask mandates were lifted. The side that treats human beings as walking disease vectors seems far more irrational, in my opinion.

I hardly doubt this but if you aren't masking I could see why someone wouldn't want to be near you in an elevator that is small and closed. I don't want to be close to anyone, but especially those not masking and not taking any precautions.

I had someone make a nasty comment once. What ever.

Maybe you can see that. Your life, your perspective, your views. I think it is hypochondriacal and deranged to avoid interaction with healthy people showing zero symptoms.

Often people hide being sick with medication or don’t know they are getting sick or contagious. Sone of us have real health issues and getting colds or Covid is very rough. Maybe your kids see you have no empathy or concern for others and your lack of warmth, and kindness is impacting them. Why do you care if someone else is careful or masks? If I get sick, are you going to care for my family? No, so I need to stay healthy. My kids already worry I will die with my health issues, don’t need to give them one more thing to worry about.

DP. Good job passing your anxiety to them

I don't have anxiety, but good try. They have empathy and concern and lost a parent so they understand issues. Be thankful your kids don't have any understanding and hopefully they will learn empathy from others as they clearly don't from you.

Yes you do.

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We could do this all night

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"Grandpa, were you alive during COVID?"

"I certainly was! It was very scary."

"Did you know a lot of people who died?"

"Well, no. But 7 million people died!"

"7 million people died in our country alone? Yikes!"

"Well, no. Around the world."

"In a week or two?"

"Well, no. But over the course of 2 1/2 years."

"What was the world population then?"

"7 billion."

"So 0.1% of the world's population died over 2 1/2 years. But I suppose a lot of them were children, so that's sad."

"Well, no. COVID barely affected children. It was almost entirely people in their mid '70s or older who died."

"Mid '70s?! What was life expectancy back then?"

"Um, if I remember correctly it was around, uh, mid-70s."

*awkward silence*

Wait until you tell them about 9/11

AMEN.

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Anonymous wrote:Some time in the future...

"Grandpa, were you alive during COVID?"

"I certainly was! It was very scary."

"Did you know a lot of people who died?"

"Well, no. But 7 million people died!"

"7 million people died in our country alone? Yikes!"

"Well, no. Around the world."

"In a week or two?"

"Well, no. But over the course of 2 1/2 years."

"What was the world population then?"

"7 billion."

"So 0.1% of the world's population died over 2 1/2 years. But I suppose a lot of them were children, so that's sad."

"Well, no. COVID barely affected children. It was almost entirely people in their mid '70s or older who died."

"Mid '70s?! What was life expectancy back then?"

"Um, if I remember correctly it was around, uh, mid-70s."

*awkward silence*

You are a ghoul.