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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Weird how the brilliant nerds become victims so quickly. Everyone’s fault by their own. Gosh if only they understood the value of Personal Responsibility and didn’t blame everyone else for their failures.[/quote]
[quote=Anonymous]Op here. The above really does closely capture the guy my post is referencing.[/quote]
A viral blog comment by "Michael" epitomized the bitter attitude.

[i]I’m 32 years old and have never been married ... always went to church ..., university, law school ... . It hurt me to watch these girls go out of their way to pursue and spread their legs for complete losers. ... As time went on I was labeled “husband material” by the girls on my campus. This phrase continued to plague me into my late 20’s. This label resulted in ZERO DATES all through college. ... Now at 32 and successful these women are hitting me. ... At 30+ women’s physical appearance has nowhere to go but DOWN. ... And if I cannot marry a women in her 20’s I REFUSE TO EVER GET MARRIED. ... I will not be a starter husband for one of these used up women. I can’t tell you the number of men I’ve known who married late and were rewarded by losing everything they spent their lives building … .[/i]
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/more-grim-news-for-carousellers-hoping-to-jump-at-the-last-minute/#comment-62160
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“Spread their legs”?

I can see why people didn’t want to date him. [/quote]

The reason you don’t understand is because you can’t imagine a world where you would have no dates throughout all of college.[/quote]

Plenty of people have no dates throughout all of college. Especially in colleges like MIT which skews male, and did even moreso in prior years like when our writer was in college.  Places like RPI are still practically 2:1 male:female. If you go to a school like that and come out bitter no one dates you, what stands in front of you is your ego and the belief that you are somehow “better” than other men, and so entitled to female attention. Entitlement to female attention does not get you dates.[/quote]

Right? Does PP think that expressing such grievances is the way to get dates?
I spent a good part of my later 20s in NYC as a woman unable to find anyone willing to commit to anything beyond a ONS. I didn’t develop some kind of toxic philosophy about men. I just tried harder  and learned to avoid the ones who were not right for me. [/quote]

I have no desire to defend that guy or his comment. He's clearly toxic and a misogynist. But I doubt he started that way. In the beginning, the reason he wasn't getting dates probably wasn't that he was spewing this kind of toxicity. You have to work up to that. He probably wasn't athletic or assertive, and he saw that, notwithstanding the prevailing wisdom about being sensitive & funny, those were the kinds of guys women wanted to date or have sex with. At least during the age where he was building up his toxicity.

Also, it's easy to take the worst examples of the other side and compare them unfavorably against our reasonable experiences or those of "our" side. [/quote]

DP I know you don't realize it, but [b]you're blaming the toxicity on women [/b]not wanting to date certain men.

When I was in high school I encountered a couple of boys that wanted to date me and got upset when I rejected them. I didn't hear them using toxic language about girls/women, but I could already see glimmers of entitlement. I wasn't looking for assertiveness or athleticism. [b]But I could also see through these guys who thought they were so nice and sensitive but actually didn't know how to listen and didn't react well to not getting what they wanted[/b].[/quote]

It’s not a woman’s fault - at all - if she’s not attracted to a guy.

Blaming it on women is such an entitled, misogynistic perspective. Take a little personal responsibility for your character flaws. [/quote]

While I agree with your first two points, it is not a character flaw that someone is not attracted to someone else. [/quote]

Character flaws: 
“didn't know how to listen and didn't react well to not getting what they wanted.“[/quote]

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