The Illegitimacy of the Supreme Court

[Anonymous]

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Confidence in the Supreme Court sank to its lowest point in at least 50 years in 2022 in the wake of the Dobbs decision that led to state bans and other restrictions on abortion, a major trends survey shows. The divide between Democrats and Republicans over support for abortion rights also was the largest ever in 2022, according to the General Social Survey. The long-running and widely respected survey conducted by NORC at the University of Chicago has been measuring confidence in the court since 1973, the same year that Roe v. Wade legalized abortion nationwide. In the 2022 survey, just 18% of Americans said they have a great deal of confidence in the court, down from 26% in 2021, and 36% said they had hardly any, up from 21%. Another 46% said they have “only some” confidence in the most recent survey.

Read more at: https://www.centredaily.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article275517381.html#storylink=cpy

84% of the people no little confidence in the court. I just do not think people will continue to abide by the fiat of the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court does not have the authority to rule this country.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:COVID health measures were an affront to civil liberties. But yes there were others.

Get a grip. COVID killed over 1.1 million Americans and left tens of millions more with ongoing debilitating health issues.

You reading the latest studies on ventilator roles? And now you only need one mRNA shot after all. Time to roll back policies and then claim it was a ‘choice’.

FFS, if you are sick enough and hypoxic enough that you're going to be put on a ventilator and (yes) potentially acquire secondary bacterial pneumonia, you're at death's door no matter what you do - true of COVID, true of influenza. However, you're not going to convalesce at home when your pulse ox level is 60% without oxygen supplementation. That's true of pretty much anything in terms of hospital care. You can have a stroke and die of a central line associated bloodstream infection because of the care required which means putting a catheter through your blood vessels to end near your heart. You can have surgery to remove a tumor, but get a surgical site infection.

Statistically, treatments dramatically improve your odds, so people get them, but obviously they incur risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID health measures were an affront to civil liberties. But yes there were others.

Get a grip. COVID killed over 1.1 million Americans and left tens of millions more with ongoing debilitating health issues.

You reading the latest studies on ventilator roles? And now you only need one mRNA shot after all. Time to roll back policies and then claim it was a ‘choice’.

FFS, if you are sick enough and hypoxic enough that you're going to be put on a ventilator and (yes) potentially acquire secondary bacterial pneumonia, you're at death's door no matter what you do - true of COVID, true of influenza. However, you're not going to convalesce at home when your pulse ox level is 60% without oxygen supplementation. That's true of pretty much anything in terms of hospital care. You can have a stroke and die of a central line associated bloodstream infection because of the care required which means putting a catheter through your blood vessels to end near your heart. You can have surgery to remove a tumor, but get a surgical site infection.

Statistically, treatments dramatically improve your odds, so people get them, but obviously they incur risk.

PS, in early pandemic, these were patients who were so freaking sick while proned on their stomachs, nurses could barely turn them over to perform a bed bath without spending hours trying to re-stabilize their oxygen levels. Yes, hours, I'm not kidding.

They also then got central line associated bloodstream infections at higher rates (levels rose during the pandemic likely related to the surge of COVID patients) because the care was so difficult for central line access - if the central line could only be placed into a femoral artery because the arm placements failed, but the patient was proned on their belly, it was VERY difficult to keep the site clean.

If your interpretation of the ventilator study is that COVID was no big deal and the patients died not because of COVID, you really need to think through what you're saying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID health measures were an affront to civil liberties. But yes there were others.

Get a grip. COVID killed over 1.1 million Americans and left tens of millions more with ongoing debilitating health issues.

You reading the latest studies on ventilator roles? And now you only need one mRNA shot after all. Time to roll back policies and then claim it was a ‘choice’.

FFS, if you are sick enough and hypoxic enough that you're going to be put on a ventilator and (yes) potentially acquire secondary bacterial pneumonia, you're at death's door no matter what you do - true of COVID, true of influenza. However, you're not going to convalesce at home when your pulse ox level is 60% without oxygen supplementation. That's true of pretty much anything in terms of hospital care. You can have a stroke and die of a central line associated bloodstream infection because of the care required which means putting a catheter through your blood vessels to end near your heart. You can have surgery to remove a tumor, but get a surgical site infection.

Statistically, treatments dramatically improve your odds, so people get them, but obviously they incur risk.

PS, in early pandemic, these were patients who were so freaking sick while proned on their stomachs, nurses could barely turn them over to perform a bed bath without spending hours trying to re-stabilize their oxygen levels. Yes, hours, I'm not kidding.

They also then got central line associated bloodstream infections at higher rates (levels rose during the pandemic likely related to the surge of COVID patients) because the care was so difficult for central line access - if the central line could only be placed into a femoral artery because the arm placements failed, but the patient was proned on their belly, it was VERY difficult to keep the site clean.

If your interpretation of the ventilator study is that COVID was no big deal and the patients died not because of COVID, you really need to think through what you're saying.

People were put on vents who didn’t need them to avoid spread to health care workers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID health measures were an affront to civil liberties. But yes there were others.

Get a grip. COVID killed over 1.1 million Americans and left tens of millions more with ongoing debilitating health issues.

You reading the latest studies on ventilator roles? And now you only need one mRNA shot after all. Time to roll back policies and then claim it was a ‘choice’.

FFS, if you are sick enough and hypoxic enough that you're going to be put on a ventilator and (yes) potentially acquire secondary bacterial pneumonia, you're at death's door no matter what you do - true of COVID, true of influenza. However, you're not going to convalesce at home when your pulse ox level is 60% without oxygen supplementation. That's true of pretty much anything in terms of hospital care. You can have a stroke and die of a central line associated bloodstream infection because of the care required which means putting a catheter through your blood vessels to end near your heart. You can have surgery to remove a tumor, but get a surgical site infection.

Statistically, treatments dramatically improve your odds, so people get them, but obviously they incur risk.

PS, in early pandemic, these were patients who were so freaking sick while proned on their stomachs, nurses could barely turn them over to perform a bed bath without spending hours trying to re-stabilize their oxygen levels. Yes, hours, I'm not kidding.

They also then got central line associated bloodstream infections at higher rates (levels rose during the pandemic likely related to the surge of COVID patients) because the care was so difficult for central line access - if the central line could only be placed into a femoral artery because the arm placements failed, but the patient was proned on their belly, it was VERY difficult to keep the site clean.

If your interpretation of the ventilator study is that COVID was no big deal and the patients died not because of COVID, you really need to think through what you're saying.

People were put on vents who didn’t need them to avoid spread to health care workers.

COVID patients were NOT put on vents to prevent spread to health care workers. Absolutely f-ing not. They were put on vents because they couldn't keep them oxygenated, they would arrive "happy hypoxics" and had incredibly low oxygen! There was definitely some over ventilation in the first month till there was learning that being a bit gentler with heated high flow nasal cannulas worked better. COVID patients had such wet lungs, secondary bacterial pneumonia is a risk no matter what.

PS simply intubating a patient TO put them on a vent is an aerosol generating procedure, so nobody was protecting healthcare workers to intubate them!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID health measures were an affront to civil liberties. But yes there were others.

Get a grip. COVID killed over 1.1 million Americans and left tens of millions more with ongoing debilitating health issues.

You reading the latest studies on ventilator roles? And now you only need one mRNA shot after all. Time to roll back policies and then claim it was a ‘choice’.

FFS, if you are sick enough and hypoxic enough that you're going to be put on a ventilator and (yes) potentially acquire secondary bacterial pneumonia, you're at death's door no matter what you do - true of COVID, true of influenza. However, you're not going to convalesce at home when your pulse ox level is 60% without oxygen supplementation. That's true of pretty much anything in terms of hospital care. You can have a stroke and die of a central line associated bloodstream infection because of the care required which means putting a catheter through your blood vessels to end near your heart. You can have surgery to remove a tumor, but get a surgical site infection.

Statistically, treatments dramatically improve your odds, so people get them, but obviously they incur risk.

PS, in early pandemic, these were patients who were so freaking sick while proned on their stomachs, nurses could barely turn them over to perform a bed bath without spending hours trying to re-stabilize their oxygen levels. Yes, hours, I'm not kidding.

They also then got central line associated bloodstream infections at higher rates (levels rose during the pandemic likely related to the surge of COVID patients) because the care was so difficult for central line access - if the central line could only be placed into a femoral artery because the arm placements failed, but the patient was proned on their belly, it was VERY difficult to keep the site clean.

If your interpretation of the ventilator study is that COVID was no big deal and the patients died not because of COVID, you really need to think through what you're saying.

People were put on vents who didn’t need them to avoid spread to health care workers.

What kind of conspiracy theory sh*t you smoking? Where do you get this nonsense from?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID health measures were an affront to civil liberties. But yes there were others.

Get a grip. COVID killed over 1.1 million Americans and left tens of millions more with ongoing debilitating health issues.

You reading the latest studies on ventilator roles? And now you only need one mRNA shot after all. Time to roll back policies and then claim it was a ‘choice’.

FFS, if you are sick enough and hypoxic enough that you're going to be put on a ventilator and (yes) potentially acquire secondary bacterial pneumonia, you're at death's door no matter what you do - true of COVID, true of influenza. However, you're not going to convalesce at home when your pulse ox level is 60% without oxygen supplementation. That's true of pretty much anything in terms of hospital care. You can have a stroke and die of a central line associated bloodstream infection because of the care required which means putting a catheter through your blood vessels to end near your heart. You can have surgery to remove a tumor, but get a surgical site infection.

Statistically, treatments dramatically improve your odds, so people get them, but obviously they incur risk.

PS, in early pandemic, these were patients who were so freaking sick while proned on their stomachs, nurses could barely turn them over to perform a bed bath without spending hours trying to re-stabilize their oxygen levels. Yes, hours, I'm not kidding.

They also then got central line associated bloodstream infections at higher rates (levels rose during the pandemic likely related to the surge of COVID patients) because the care was so difficult for central line access - if the central line could only be placed into a femoral artery because the arm placements failed, but the patient was proned on their belly, it was VERY difficult to keep the site clean.

If your interpretation of the ventilator study is that COVID was no big deal and the patients died not because of COVID, you really need to think through what you're saying.

People were put on vents who didn’t need them to avoid spread to health care workers.

COVID patients were NOT put on vents to prevent spread to health care workers. Absolutely f-ing not. They were put on vents because they couldn't keep them oxygenated, they would arrive "happy hypoxics" and had incredibly low oxygen! There was definitely some over ventilation in the first month till there was learning that being a bit gentler with heated high flow nasal cannulas worked better. COVID patients had such wet lungs, secondary bacterial pneumonia is a risk no matter what.

PS simply intubating a patient TO put them on a vent is an aerosol generating procedure, so nobody was protecting healthcare workers to intubate them!

Repost to add high flow nasal cannulas did work better for some patients; for others, vents are no choice. Do vents carry a risk of ventilator associated pneumonia? Yes, they always have! But what do you do when the patient becomes hypoxic and will die if you cannot oxygenate them successfully any other way and they are so fragile that EVEN ON A VENT their oxygen plummets to below 70% from moving them slightly to clean their body or to try to prevent pressure wounds? But sure, it was the vent that killed them!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Confidence in the Supreme Court sank to its lowest point in at least 50 years in 2022 in the wake of the Dobbs decision that led to state bans and other restrictions on abortion, a major trends survey shows. The divide between Democrats and Republicans over support for abortion rights also was the largest ever in 2022, according to the General Social Survey. The long-running and widely respected survey conducted by NORC at the University of Chicago has been measuring confidence in the court since 1973, the same year that Roe v. Wade legalized abortion nationwide. In the 2022 survey, just 18% of Americans said they have a great deal of confidence in the court, down from 26% in 2021, and 36% said they had hardly any, up from 21%. Another 46% said they have “only some” confidence in the most recent survey.

Read more at: https://www.centredaily.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article275517381.html#storylink=cpy

84% of the people no little confidence in the court. I just do not think people will continue to abide by the fiat of the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court does not have the authority to rule this country.

Until the corruption is addressed and until ethics are restored, the Supreme Court and any ruling to come out of it is completely illegitimate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID health measures were an affront to civil liberties. But yes there were others.

Get a grip. COVID killed over 1.1 million Americans and left tens of millions more with ongoing debilitating health issues.

You reading the latest studies on ventilator roles? And now you only need one mRNA shot after all. Time to roll back policies and then claim it was a ‘choice’.

FFS, if you are sick enough and hypoxic enough that you're going to be put on a ventilator and (yes) potentially acquire secondary bacterial pneumonia, you're at death's door no matter what you do - true of COVID, true of influenza. However, you're not going to convalesce at home when your pulse ox level is 60% without oxygen supplementation. That's true of pretty much anything in terms of hospital care. You can have a stroke and die of a central line associated bloodstream infection because of the care required which means putting a catheter through your blood vessels to end near your heart. You can have surgery to remove a tumor, but get a surgical site infection.

Statistically, treatments dramatically improve your odds, so people get them, but obviously they incur risk.

PS, in early pandemic, these were patients who were so freaking sick while proned on their stomachs, nurses could barely turn them over to perform a bed bath without spending hours trying to re-stabilize their oxygen levels. Yes, hours, I'm not kidding.

They also then got central line associated bloodstream infections at higher rates (levels rose during the pandemic likely related to the surge of COVID patients) because the care was so difficult for central line access - if the central line could only be placed into a femoral artery because the arm placements failed, but the patient was proned on their belly, it was VERY difficult to keep the site clean.

If your interpretation of the ventilator study is that COVID was no big deal and the patients died not because of COVID, you really need to think through what you're saying.

It astounds me how lucky some of these fools must be, to think COVID was no big deal. I lost friends and relatives to it. I know people who are suffering horrible long term issues form it. My cousin, a mom in her 40s, was hospitalized for months, part of it in a coma, on one of the few ECMO machines the state even had. Even today, 2 years later, she still struggles with her recovery and says he has the "upper body strength of a 4 year old." Anyone who think COVID was no big deal must be living in a complete bubble of isolation from reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID health measures were an affront to civil liberties. But yes there were others.

Get a grip. COVID killed over 1.1 million Americans and left tens of millions more with ongoing debilitating health issues.

You reading the latest studies on ventilator roles? And now you only need one mRNA shot after all. Time to roll back policies and then claim it was a ‘choice’.

FFS, if you are sick enough and hypoxic enough that you're going to be put on a ventilator and (yes) potentially acquire secondary bacterial pneumonia, you're at death's door no matter what you do - true of COVID, true of influenza. However, you're not going to convalesce at home when your pulse ox level is 60% without oxygen supplementation. That's true of pretty much anything in terms of hospital care. You can have a stroke and die of a central line associated bloodstream infection because of the care required which means putting a catheter through your blood vessels to end near your heart. You can have surgery to remove a tumor, but get a surgical site infection.

Statistically, treatments dramatically improve your odds, so people get them, but obviously they incur risk.

PS, in early pandemic, these were patients who were so freaking sick while proned on their stomachs, nurses could barely turn them over to perform a bed bath without spending hours trying to re-stabilize their oxygen levels. Yes, hours, I'm not kidding.

They also then got central line associated bloodstream infections at higher rates (levels rose during the pandemic likely related to the surge of COVID patients) because the care was so difficult for central line access - if the central line could only be placed into a femoral artery because the arm placements failed, but the patient was proned on their belly, it was VERY difficult to keep the site clean.

If your interpretation of the ventilator study is that COVID was no big deal and the patients died not because of COVID, you really need to think through what you're saying.

It astounds me how lucky some of these fools must be, to think COVID was no big deal. I lost friends and relatives to it. I know people who are suffering horrible long term issues form it. My cousin, a mom in her 40s, was hospitalized for months, part of it in a coma, on one of the few ECMO machines the state even had. Even today, 2 years later, she still struggles with her recovery and says he has the "upper body strength of a 4 year old." Anyone who think COVID was no big deal must be living in a complete bubble of isolation from reality.

Oh sure, using their logic, it was the ECMO that killed the patient because ECMO carries high risk of infection. Not the COVID that necessitated the ECMO where they would certainly die without that lifesaving (but yes, risk-carrying) treatment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Confidence in the Supreme Court sank to its lowest point in at least 50 years in 2022 in the wake of the Dobbs decision that led to state bans and other restrictions on abortion, a major trends survey shows. The divide between Democrats and Republicans over support for abortion rights also was the largest ever in 2022, according to the General Social Survey. The long-running and widely respected survey conducted by NORC at the University of Chicago has been measuring confidence in the court since 1973, the same year that Roe v. Wade legalized abortion nationwide. In the 2022 survey, just 18% of Americans said they have a great deal of confidence in the court, down from 26% in 2021, and 36% said they had hardly any, up from 21%. Another 46% said they have “only some” confidence in the most recent survey.

Read more at: https://www.centredaily.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article275517381.html#storylink=cpy

84% of the people no little confidence in the court. I just do not think people will continue to abide by the fiat of the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court does not have the authority to rule this country.

The Supreme Court does not rule the country. They are the court of last resort on weigh in on the constitutionality of laws based on specific cases brought before them.

The 84% with little or no confidence is due to a fundamental lack of understanding of how a constitutional republic functions. That is what spells trouble for America in the year's ahead, not the 9 justices on the court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID health measures were an affront to civil liberties. But yes there were others.

Get a grip. COVID killed over 1.1 million Americans and left tens of millions more with ongoing debilitating health issues.

You reading the latest studies on ventilator roles? And now you only need one mRNA shot after all. Time to roll back policies and then claim it was a ‘choice’.

FFS, if you are sick enough and hypoxic enough that you're going to be put on a ventilator and (yes) potentially acquire secondary bacterial pneumonia, you're at death's door no matter what you do - true of COVID, true of influenza. However, you're not going to convalesce at home when your pulse ox level is 60% without oxygen supplementation. That's true of pretty much anything in terms of hospital care. You can have a stroke and die of a central line associated bloodstream infection because of the care required which means putting a catheter through your blood vessels to end near your heart. You can have surgery to remove a tumor, but get a surgical site infection.

Statistically, treatments dramatically improve your odds, so people get them, but obviously they incur risk.

PS, in early pandemic, these were patients who were so freaking sick while proned on their stomachs, nurses could barely turn them over to perform a bed bath without spending hours trying to re-stabilize their oxygen levels. Yes, hours, I'm not kidding.

They also then got central line associated bloodstream infections at higher rates (levels rose during the pandemic likely related to the surge of COVID patients) because the care was so difficult for central line access - if the central line could only be placed into a femoral artery because the arm placements failed, but the patient was proned on their belly, it was VERY difficult to keep the site clean.

If your interpretation of the ventilator study is that COVID was no big deal and the patients died not because of COVID, you really need to think through what you're saying.

So what is your point? Maybe those patients should have been given bleach to drink? This is one of two things the republicans were pushing. The other being covid is no big deal…it’s like the flu.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID health measures were an affront to civil liberties. But yes there were others.

Get a grip. COVID killed over 1.1 million Americans and left tens of millions more with ongoing debilitating health issues.

You reading the latest studies on ventilator roles? And now you only need one mRNA shot after all. Time to roll back policies and then claim it was a ‘choice’.

FFS, if you are sick enough and hypoxic enough that you're going to be put on a ventilator and (yes) potentially acquire secondary bacterial pneumonia, you're at death's door no matter what you do - true of COVID, true of influenza. However, you're not going to convalesce at home when your pulse ox level is 60% without oxygen supplementation. That's true of pretty much anything in terms of hospital care. You can have a stroke and die of a central line associated bloodstream infection because of the care required which means putting a catheter through your blood vessels to end near your heart. You can have surgery to remove a tumor, but get a surgical site infection.

Statistically, treatments dramatically improve your odds, so people get them, but obviously they incur risk.

PS, in early pandemic, these were patients who were so freaking sick while proned on their stomachs, nurses could barely turn them over to perform a bed bath without spending hours trying to re-stabilize their oxygen levels. Yes, hours, I'm not kidding.

They also then got central line associated bloodstream infections at higher rates (levels rose during the pandemic likely related to the surge of COVID patients) because the care was so difficult for central line access - if the central line could only be placed into a femoral artery because the arm placements failed, but the patient was proned on their belly, it was VERY difficult to keep the site clean.

If your interpretation of the ventilator study is that COVID was no big deal and the patients died not because of COVID, you really need to think through what you're saying.

So what is your point? Maybe those patients should have been given bleach to drink? This is one of two things the republicans were pushing. The other being covid is no big deal…it’s like the flu.

You're asking me, the person making the point that COVID patients would die without ventilators?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Confidence in the Supreme Court sank to its lowest point in at least 50 years in 2022 in the wake of the Dobbs decision that led to state bans and other restrictions on abortion, a major trends survey shows. The divide between Democrats and Republicans over support for abortion rights also was the largest ever in 2022, according to the General Social Survey. The long-running and widely respected survey conducted by NORC at the University of Chicago has been measuring confidence in the court since 1973, the same year that Roe v. Wade legalized abortion nationwide. In the 2022 survey, just 18% of Americans said they have a great deal of confidence in the court, down from 26% in 2021, and 36% said they had hardly any, up from 21%. Another 46% said they have “only some” confidence in the most recent survey.

Read more at: https://www.centredaily.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article275517381.html#storylink=cpy

84% of the people no little confidence in the court. I just do not think people will continue to abide by the fiat of the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court does not have the authority to rule this country.

The Supreme Court does not rule the country. They are the court of last resort on weigh in on the constitutionality of laws based on specific cases brought before them.

The 84% with little or no confidence is due to a fundamental lack of understanding of how a constitutional republic functions. That is what spells trouble for America in the year's ahead, not the 9 justices on the court.

The court makes laws with its rulings. This is a result of a small group of rich, racist, extremely religious and wealthy men. Through the federalist society they have taken over the court system and control the courts. When the court picks a case it has predetermined the out come. The conservatives justices coordinate, hold planning sessions and develop strategies to fundamentally change the laws in this country.

SCOTUS is its current iteration is extra constitutional. It is a vestige of royal power accountable to no one but the leadership of the federalist society.

This is why the court will not survive. The longer it is propped up and protected in its current form, the more drastic the reform of the court will be. The US has a revolution every election cycle. The court is the opposite of this. SCOTUS is anachronism and needs to be modernized with accountability. I can not wait to see the rotten corruption Supreme Court collapse under it own weight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID health measures were an affront to civil liberties. But yes there were others.

Get a grip. COVID killed over 1.1 million Americans and left tens of millions more with ongoing debilitating health issues.

You reading the latest studies on ventilator roles? And now you only need one mRNA shot after all. Time to roll back policies and then claim it was a ‘choice’.

FFS, if you are sick enough and hypoxic enough that you're going to be put on a ventilator and (yes) potentially acquire secondary bacterial pneumonia, you're at death's door no matter what you do - true of COVID, true of influenza. However, you're not going to convalesce at home when your pulse ox level is 60% without oxygen supplementation. That's true of pretty much anything in terms of hospital care. You can have a stroke and die of a central line associated bloodstream infection because of the care required which means putting a catheter through your blood vessels to end near your heart. You can have surgery to remove a tumor, but get a surgical site infection.

Statistically, treatments dramatically improve your odds, so people get them, but obviously they incur risk.

PS, in early pandemic, these were patients who were so freaking sick while proned on their stomachs, nurses could barely turn them over to perform a bed bath without spending hours trying to re-stabilize their oxygen levels. Yes, hours, I'm not kidding.

They also then got central line associated bloodstream infections at higher rates (levels rose during the pandemic likely related to the surge of COVID patients) because the care was so difficult for central line access - if the central line could only be placed into a femoral artery because the arm placements failed, but the patient was proned on their belly, it was VERY difficult to keep the site clean.

If your interpretation of the ventilator study is that COVID was no big deal and the patients died not because of COVID, you really need to think through what you're saying.

People were put on vents who didn’t need them to avoid spread to health care workers.

Why would you lie like this you sick f**k? Just casually impugning America’s health care workers who put their lives and health on the line.