The Illegitimacy of the Supreme Court

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Confidence in the Supreme Court sank to its lowest point in at least 50 years in 2022 in the wake of the Dobbs decision that led to state bans and other restrictions on abortion, a major trends survey shows. The divide between Democrats and Republicans over support for abortion rights also was the largest ever in 2022, according to the General Social Survey. The long-running and widely respected survey conducted by NORC at the University of Chicago has been measuring confidence in the court since 1973, the same year that Roe v. Wade legalized abortion nationwide. In the 2022 survey, just 18% of Americans said they have a great deal of confidence in the court, down from 26% in 2021, and 36% said they had hardly any, up from 21%. Another 46% said they have “only some” confidence in the most recent survey.

Read more at: https://www.centredaily.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article275517381.html#storylink=cpy

84% of the people no little confidence in the court. I just do not think people will continue to abide by the fiat of the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court does not have the authority to rule this country.

The Supreme Court does not rule the country. They are the court of last resort on weigh in on the constitutionality of laws based on specific cases brought before them.

The 84% with little or no confidence is due to a fundamental lack of understanding of how a constitutional republic functions. That is what spells trouble for America in the year's ahead, not the 9 justices on the court.

The court makes laws with its rulings. This is a result of a small group of rich, racist, extremely religious and wealthy men. Through the federalist society they have taken over the court system and control the courts. When the court picks a case it has predetermined the out come. The conservatives justices coordinate, hold planning sessions and develop strategies to fundamentally change the laws in this country.

SCOTUS is its current iteration is extra constitutional. It is a vestige of royal power accountable to no one but the leadership of the federalist society.

This is why the court will not survive. The longer it is propped up and protected in its current form, the more drastic the reform of the court will be. The US has a revolution every election cycle. The court is the opposite of this. SCOTUS is anachronism and needs to be modernized with accountability. I can not wait to see the rotten corruption Supreme Court collapse under it own weight.

Really, "a small group of rich, racist, extremely religious and wealthy men", actually 5 men and 4 women. "SCOTUS is its current iteration is extra constitutional", were they not all nominated by a sitting President and confirmed by the Senate? Remember not every nominee makes it to the Court. "The court is the opposite of this. SCOTUS is anachronism and needs to be modernized with accountability",

Laws are written in Congress. If you want a nation-wide law on abortion, for or against lobby your elected representatives to write one. Get it through Congress and signed by the President. If you want to change the second amendment, again follow the process. Repeal or alter the 2nd amendment get 2/3 of the states to agree and the Court then rules based on the revised Constitution.

It is how a Constitutional Republic works.

[Anonymous]

If a court disagrees with me, it is illegitimate.

The same would apply if liberals were in charge of the court and putting their policy views into rulings.

So how does one get a court with legitimacy?

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Anonymous wrote:COVID health measures were an affront to civil liberties. But yes there were others.

Get a grip. COVID killed over 1.1 million Americans and left tens of millions more with ongoing debilitating health issues.

You reading the latest studies on ventilator roles? And now you only need one mRNA shot after all. Time to roll back policies and then claim it was a ‘choice’.

FFS, if you are sick enough and hypoxic enough that you're going to be put on a ventilator and (yes) potentially acquire secondary bacterial pneumonia, you're at death's door no matter what you do - true of COVID, true of influenza. However, you're not going to convalesce at home when your pulse ox level is 60% without oxygen supplementation. That's true of pretty much anything in terms of hospital care. You can have a stroke and die of a central line associated bloodstream infection because of the care required which means putting a catheter through your blood vessels to end near your heart. You can have surgery to remove a tumor, but get a surgical site infection.

Statistically, treatments dramatically improve your odds, so people get them, but obviously they incur risk.

PS, in early pandemic, these were patients who were so freaking sick while proned on their stomachs, nurses could barely turn them over to perform a bed bath without spending hours trying to re-stabilize their oxygen levels. Yes, hours, I'm not kidding.

They also then got central line associated bloodstream infections at higher rates (levels rose during the pandemic likely related to the surge of COVID patients) because the care was so difficult for central line access - if the central line could only be placed into a femoral artery because the arm placements failed, but the patient was proned on their belly, it was VERY difficult to keep the site clean.

If your interpretation of the ventilator study is that COVID was no big deal and the patients died not because of COVID, you really need to think through what you're saying.

It astounds me how lucky some of these fools must be, to think COVID was no big deal. I lost friends and relatives to it. I know people who are suffering horrible long term issues form it. My cousin, a mom in her 40s, was hospitalized for months, part of it in a coma, on one of the few ECMO machines the state even had. Even today, 2 years later, she still struggles with her recovery and says he has the "upper body strength of a 4 year old." Anyone who think COVID was no big deal must be living in a complete bubble of isolation from reality.

Oh sure, using their logic, it was the ECMO that killed the patient because ECMO carries high risk of infection. Not the COVID that necessitated the ECMO where they would certainly die without that lifesaving (but yes, risk-carrying) treatment.

Her lung function was so degraded by COVID that her lungs could not oxygenate blood, even on a ventilator, that's what the ECMO machine did. She was on a list for lung transplant. Fortunately she made a recovery. A long and arduous recovery, and she's still far from 100%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If a court disagrees with me, it is illegitimate.

The same would apply if liberals were in charge of the court and putting their policy views into rulings.

So how does one get a court with legitimacy?

Start with nominees who don't lie in their confirmation hearings. Start with robust and rigorous disclosure. Start with much greater accountability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Confidence in the Supreme Court sank to its lowest point in at least 50 years in 2022 in the wake of the Dobbs decision that led to state bans and other restrictions on abortion, a major trends survey shows. The divide between Democrats and Republicans over support for abortion rights also was the largest ever in 2022, according to the General Social Survey. The long-running and widely respected survey conducted by NORC at the University of Chicago has been measuring confidence in the court since 1973, the same year that Roe v. Wade legalized abortion nationwide. In the 2022 survey, just 18% of Americans said they have a great deal of confidence in the court, down from 26% in 2021, and 36% said they had hardly any, up from 21%. Another 46% said they have “only some” confidence in the most recent survey.

Read more at: https://www.centredaily.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article275517381.html#storylink=cpy

84% of the people no little confidence in the court. I just do not think people will continue to abide by the fiat of the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court does not have the authority to rule this country.

The Supreme Court does not rule the country. They are the court of last resort on weigh in on the constitutionality of laws based on specific cases brought before them.

The 84% with little or no confidence is due to a fundamental lack of understanding of how a constitutional republic functions. That is what spells trouble for America in the year's ahead, not the 9 justices on the court.

The court makes laws with its rulings. This is a result of a small group of rich, racist, extremely religious and wealthy men. Through the federalist society they have taken over the court system and control the courts. When the court picks a case it has predetermined the out come. The conservatives justices coordinate, hold planning sessions and develop strategies to fundamentally change the laws in this country.

SCOTUS is its current iteration is extra constitutional. It is a vestige of royal power accountable to no one but the leadership of the federalist society.

This is why the court will not survive. The longer it is propped up and protected in its current form, the more drastic the reform of the court will be. The US has a revolution every election cycle. The court is the opposite of this. SCOTUS is anachronism and needs to be modernized with accountability. I can not wait to see the rotten corruption Supreme Court collapse under it own weight.

Really, "a small group of rich, racist, extremely religious and wealthy men", actually 5 men and 4 women. "SCOTUS is its current iteration is extra constitutional", were they not all nominated by a sitting President and confirmed by the Senate? Remember not every nominee makes it to the Court. "The court is the opposite of this. SCOTUS is anachronism and needs to be modernized with accountability",

Laws are written in Congress. If you want a nation-wide law on abortion, for or against lobby your elected representatives to write one. Get it through Congress and signed by the President. If you want to change the second amendment, again follow the process. Repeal or alter the 2nd amendment get 2/3 of the states to agree and the Court then rules based on the revised Constitution.

It is how a Constitutional Republic works.

You know that the Senate leader refused to have a hearing for a legitimately nominated justice, all for political gain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a court disagrees with me, it is illegitimate.

The same would apply if liberals were in charge of the court and putting their policy views into rulings.

So how does one get a court with legitimacy?

Start with nominees who don't lie in their confirmation hearings. Start with robust and rigorous disclosure. Start with much greater accountability.

+1

All of the conservative justices lied their faces off in their hearings. All of them are under clouds of illegitimacy for one reason or another.

[Anonymous]

Even RBG knew Roe stood on shaky ground. Roe was a bad decision corrected. It’s in the hands of Congress to fix, where it belongs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Confidence in the Supreme Court sank to its lowest point in at least 50 years in 2022 in the wake of the Dobbs decision that led to state bans and other restrictions on abortion, a major trends survey shows. The divide between Democrats and Republicans over support for abortion rights also was the largest ever in 2022, according to the General Social Survey. The long-running and widely respected survey conducted by NORC at the University of Chicago has been measuring confidence in the court since 1973, the same year that Roe v. Wade legalized abortion nationwide. In the 2022 survey, just 18% of Americans said they have a great deal of confidence in the court, down from 26% in 2021, and 36% said they had hardly any, up from 21%. Another 46% said they have “only some” confidence in the most recent survey.

Read more at: https://www.centredaily.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article275517381.html#storylink=cpy

84% of the people no little confidence in the court. I just do not think people will continue to abide by the fiat of the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court does not have the authority to rule this country.

The Supreme Court does not rule the country. They are the court of last resort on weigh in on the constitutionality of laws based on specific cases brought before them.

The 84% with little or no confidence is due to a fundamental lack of understanding of how a constitutional republic functions. That is what spells trouble for America in the year's ahead, not the 9 justices on the court.

The court makes laws with its rulings. This is a result of a small group of rich, racist, extremely religious and wealthy men. Through the federalist society they have taken over the court system and control the courts. When the court picks a case it has predetermined the out come. The conservatives justices coordinate, hold planning sessions and develop strategies to fundamentally change the laws in this country.

SCOTUS is its current iteration is extra constitutional. It is a vestige of royal power accountable to no one but the leadership of the federalist society.

This is why the court will not survive. The longer it is propped up and protected in its current form, the more drastic the reform of the court will be. The US has a revolution every election cycle. The court is the opposite of this. SCOTUS is anachronism and needs to be modernized with accountability. I can not wait to see the rotten corruption Supreme Court collapse under it own weight.

Really, "a small group of rich, racist, extremely religious and wealthy men", actually 5 men and 4 women. "SCOTUS is its current iteration is extra constitutional", were they not all nominated by a sitting President and confirmed by the Senate? Remember not every nominee makes it to the Court. "The court is the opposite of this. SCOTUS is anachronism and needs to be modernized with accountability",

Laws are written in Congress. If you want a nation-wide law on abortion, for or against lobby your elected representatives to write one. Get it through Congress and signed by the President. If you want to change the second amendment, again follow the process. Repeal or alter the 2nd amendment get 2/3 of the states to agree and the Court then rules based on the revised Constitution.

It is how a Constitutional Republic works.

You know that the Senate leader refused to have a hearing for a legitimately nominated justice, all for political gain.

Doesn't make anyone else illegitimate.

It was a valid political game, expectation that next democratic senate to do same with GOP nominee.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even RBG knew Roe stood on shaky ground. Roe was a bad decision corrected. It’s in the hands of Congress to fix, where it belongs.

That’s such a bs line I’m sick of seeing it on this forum.
She absolutely thought it was correctly decided. Some believe it’s could have been reasoned DIFFERENTLY. All that means is there are MULTIPLE ways to support abortion as a constitutional right.
F off with that tired talking point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even RBG knew Roe stood on shaky ground. Roe was a bad decision corrected. It’s in the hands of Congress to fix, where it belongs.

Dishonest post. Ginsburg had no doubt that the Constitution protects a right to bodily autonomy regardless of what Congress says or doesn’t say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID health measures were an affront to civil liberties. But yes there were others.

Get a grip. COVID killed over 1.1 million Americans and left tens of millions more with ongoing debilitating health issues.

You reading the latest studies on ventilator roles? And now you only need one mRNA shot after all. Time to roll back policies and then claim it was a ‘choice’.

FFS, if you are sick enough and hypoxic enough that you're going to be put on a ventilator and (yes) potentially acquire secondary bacterial pneumonia, you're at death's door no matter what you do - true of COVID, true of influenza. However, you're not going to convalesce at home when your pulse ox level is 60% without oxygen supplementation. That's true of pretty much anything in terms of hospital care. You can have a stroke and die of a central line associated bloodstream infection because of the care required which means putting a catheter through your blood vessels to end near your heart. You can have surgery to remove a tumor, but get a surgical site infection.

Statistically, treatments dramatically improve your odds, so people get them, but obviously they incur risk.

PS, in early pandemic, these were patients who were so freaking sick while proned on their stomachs, nurses could barely turn them over to perform a bed bath without spending hours trying to re-stabilize their oxygen levels. Yes, hours, I'm not kidding.

They also then got central line associated bloodstream infections at higher rates (levels rose during the pandemic likely related to the surge of COVID patients) because the care was so difficult for central line access - if the central line could only be placed into a femoral artery because the arm placements failed, but the patient was proned on their belly, it was VERY difficult to keep the site clean.

If your interpretation of the ventilator study is that COVID was no big deal and the patients died not because of COVID, you really need to think through what you're saying.

People were put on vents who didn’t need them to avoid spread to health care workers.

COVID patients were NOT put on vents to prevent spread to health care workers. Absolutely f-ing not. They were put on vents because they couldn't keep them oxygenated, they would arrive "happy hypoxics" and had incredibly low oxygen! There was definitely some over ventilation in the first month till there was learning that being a bit gentler with heated high flow nasal cannulas worked better. COVID patients had such wet lungs, secondary bacterial pneumonia is a risk no matter what.

PS simply intubating a patient TO put them on a vent is an aerosol generating procedure, so nobody was protecting healthcare workers to intubate them!

Time magazine had an article that stated that doctors were indeed putting people on vents early to stop the spread. They admitted it. A few doctors were pushing back, hence the article(s). Telling people to go home and wait to see if they got better or worse without any sort of treatment was the medical crime of the freaking century. My own doc tried to help his own patients and got his license threatened. And no, it wasn’t for “horse paste”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID health measures were an affront to civil liberties. But yes there were others.

Get a grip. COVID killed over 1.1 million Americans and left tens of millions more with ongoing debilitating health issues.

You reading the latest studies on ventilator roles? And now you only need one mRNA shot after all. Time to roll back policies and then claim it was a ‘choice’.

FFS, if you are sick enough and hypoxic enough that you're going to be put on a ventilator and (yes) potentially acquire secondary bacterial pneumonia, you're at death's door no matter what you do - true of COVID, true of influenza. However, you're not going to convalesce at home when your pulse ox level is 60% without oxygen supplementation. That's true of pretty much anything in terms of hospital care. You can have a stroke and die of a central line associated bloodstream infection because of the care required which means putting a catheter through your blood vessels to end near your heart. You can have surgery to remove a tumor, but get a surgical site infection.

Statistically, treatments dramatically improve your odds, so people get them, but obviously they incur risk.

PS, in early pandemic, these were patients who were so freaking sick while proned on their stomachs, nurses could barely turn them over to perform a bed bath without spending hours trying to re-stabilize their oxygen levels. Yes, hours, I'm not kidding.

They also then got central line associated bloodstream infections at higher rates (levels rose during the pandemic likely related to the surge of COVID patients) because the care was so difficult for central line access - if the central line could only be placed into a femoral artery because the arm placements failed, but the patient was proned on their belly, it was VERY difficult to keep the site clean.

If your interpretation of the ventilator study is that COVID was no big deal and the patients died not because of COVID, you really need to think through what you're saying.

People were put on vents who didn’t need them to avoid spread to health care workers.

COVID patients were NOT put on vents to prevent spread to health care workers. Absolutely f-ing not. They were put on vents because they couldn't keep them oxygenated, they would arrive "happy hypoxics" and had incredibly low oxygen! There was definitely some over ventilation in the first month till there was learning that being a bit gentler with heated high flow nasal cannulas worked better. COVID patients had such wet lungs, secondary bacterial pneumonia is a risk no matter what.

PS simply intubating a patient TO put them on a vent is an aerosol generating procedure, so nobody was protecting healthcare workers to intubate them!

Repost to add high flow nasal cannulas did work better for some patients; for others, vents are no choice. Do vents carry a risk of ventilator associated pneumonia? Yes, they always have! But what do you do when the patient becomes hypoxic and will die if you cannot oxygenate them successfully any other way and they are so fragile that EVEN ON A VENT their oxygen plummets to below 70% from moving them slightly to clean their body or to try to prevent pressure wounds? But sure, it was the vent that killed them!

You are pivoting and clarifying to back up the fact that the medical community and political community were lying, not treating and hiding information. There was no reason, for instance, to want to hide the Pfizer vaccine studies from the public for many decades, unless you want to hide the results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID health measures were an affront to civil liberties. But yes there were others.

Get a grip. COVID killed over 1.1 million Americans and left tens of millions more with ongoing debilitating health issues.

You reading the latest studies on ventilator roles? And now you only need one mRNA shot after all. Time to roll back policies and then claim it was a ‘choice’.

FFS, if you are sick enough and hypoxic enough that you're going to be put on a ventilator and (yes) potentially acquire secondary bacterial pneumonia, you're at death's door no matter what you do - true of COVID, true of influenza. However, you're not going to convalesce at home when your pulse ox level is 60% without oxygen supplementation. That's true of pretty much anything in terms of hospital care. You can have a stroke and die of a central line associated bloodstream infection because of the care required which means putting a catheter through your blood vessels to end near your heart. You can have surgery to remove a tumor, but get a surgical site infection.

Statistically, treatments dramatically improve your odds, so people get them, but obviously they incur risk.

PS, in early pandemic, these were patients who were so freaking sick while proned on their stomachs, nurses could barely turn them over to perform a bed bath without spending hours trying to re-stabilize their oxygen levels. Yes, hours, I'm not kidding.

They also then got central line associated bloodstream infections at higher rates (levels rose during the pandemic likely related to the surge of COVID patients) because the care was so difficult for central line access - if the central line could only be placed into a femoral artery because the arm placements failed, but the patient was proned on their belly, it was VERY difficult to keep the site clean.

If your interpretation of the ventilator study is that COVID was no big deal and the patients died not because of COVID, you really need to think through what you're saying.

So what is your point? Maybe those patients should have been given bleach to drink? This is one of two things the republicans were pushing. The other being covid is no big deal…it’s like the flu.

Talk about uniformed

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even RBG knew Roe stood on shaky ground. Roe was a bad decision corrected. It’s in the hands of Congress to fix, where it belongs.

That’s such a bs line I’m sick of seeing it on this forum.
She absolutely thought it was correctly decided. Some believe it’s could have been reasoned DIFFERENTLY. All that means is there are MULTIPLE ways to support abortion as a constitutional right.
F off with that tired talking point.

+1. So many right wing Constitutionalists forget that the founders reserved certain rights to the people. The right of a man to control his property (ie wife and children) being the most basic among them. What difference does it make for a person to be secure in his papers and in his home if he is not permitted to be secure in his body?

The views of 13th Century Catholic scholars who believed in devils and witchcraft had little sway over what our deist and largely Protestant founding fathers believed. The abuses of the Catholic Church against freedom were within living memory for them.

[Anonymous]

Most people support abortion to a certain point in time. Stop wasting time complaining about the court. Congress need to pass a reasonable law and end the fight.