NVSL Seeding is out!

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe I'm defending chesterbrook- but you have proved nothing. There is no restriction in NVSL rules for swimming for the NVSL and another league, indeed many kids do this to swim long course with their club teams and swim summer league. Sure its a little odd that he was swimming for 2 different rec leagues so far apart (its a long way from PG county to mclean)- but as long as his family had a bona fide membership at both clubs he's not breaking any rules. Perhaps the parents are split and he divided his time between mclean and PG county.

First - year round (club swim) and summer swim are two different things. And, no one ever said you can't do both.

This is about the fact he was swimming for 2 different summer leagues at once. You are correct, there is nothing in the rules that states you can't swim for more than one summer league. The only restriction NVSL places is you can't swim for 2 different teams that are a part of the NVSL league. The interesting thing is he ONLY swam for them in 2019. He never swam for them before or after. He has no other time records in the NVSL database. Why would he only swim with them for 1 year? Chesterbrook needed him and his times. Just because he wasn't technically breaking the rules, doesn't make it right.

It goes against the principles of rec league, you know community based fun swimming. Swimming for two rec leagues is BS when he did not have ongoing relationship with one of them.

Also, NVSL states that you have to have a family membership with the pool in order to swim there and most require you to live in the house.

D1 is not really rec league

The entire league is REC league. Just because some teams have managed to cheat the system doesn't mean they are exempt from the rules.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe I'm defending chesterbrook- but you have proved nothing. There is no restriction in NVSL rules for swimming for the NVSL and another league, indeed many kids do this to swim long course with their club teams and swim summer league. Sure its a little odd that he was swimming for 2 different rec leagues so far apart (its a long way from PG county to mclean)- but as long as his family had a bona fide membership at both clubs he's not breaking any rules. Perhaps the parents are split and he divided his time between mclean and PG county.

First - year round (club swim) and summer swim are two different things. And, no one ever said you can't do both.

This is about the fact he was swimming for 2 different summer leagues at once. You are correct, there is nothing in the rules that states you can't swim for more than one summer league. The only restriction NVSL places is you can't swim for 2 different teams that are a part of the NVSL league. The interesting thing is he ONLY swam for them in 2019. He never swam for them before or after. He has no other time records in the NVSL database. Why would he only swim with them for 1 year? Chesterbrook needed him and his times. Just because he wasn't technically breaking the rules, doesn't make it right.

It goes against the principles of rec league, you know community based fun swimming. Swimming for two rec leagues is BS when he did not have ongoing relationship with one of them.

Also, NVSL states that you have to have a family membership with the pool in order to swim there and most require you to live in the house.

D1 is not really rec league

The entire league is REC league. Just because some teams have managed to cheat the system doesn't mean they are exempt from the rules.

Unless you believe that three pools just happen to produce the best swimmers from their membership year after year for decades, it's pretty obvious that it isn't a rec league at the top

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You can't cheat your way out of being n a rec league, LOL. It seems the NVSL needs ro revamp their rules or their enforcement.

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Anonymous wrote:You can't cheat your way out of being n a rec league, LOL. It seems the NVSL needs ro revamp their rules or their enforcement.

Or just give those 3 teams their own division and they can swim trumpets for 5 weeks every Saturday and let the rest of the NVSL have a fun summer season without their nonsense

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Sorry…tri meets not trumpets!

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Anonymous wrote:You can't cheat your way out of being n a rec league, LOL. It seems the NVSL needs ro revamp their rules or their enforcement.

Looking at the results from the last 20 years, it appears that you can

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe I'm defending chesterbrook- but you have proved nothing. There is no restriction in NVSL rules for swimming for the NVSL and another league, indeed many kids do this to swim long course with their club teams and swim summer league. Sure its a little odd that he was swimming for 2 different rec leagues so far apart (its a long way from PG county to mclean)- but as long as his family had a bona fide membership at both clubs he's not breaking any rules. Perhaps the parents are split and he divided his time between mclean and PG county.

First - year round (club swim) and summer swim are two different things. And, no one ever said you can't do both.

This is about the fact he was swimming for 2 different summer leagues at once. You are correct, there is nothing in the rules that states you can't swim for more than one summer league. The only restriction NVSL places is you can't swim for 2 different teams that are a part of the NVSL league. The interesting thing is he ONLY swam for them in 2019. He never swam for them before or after. He has no other time records in the NVSL database. Why would he only swim with them for 1 year? Chesterbrook needed him and his times. Just because he wasn't technically breaking the rules, doesn't make it right.

It goes against the principles of rec league, you know community based fun swimming. Swimming for two rec leagues is BS when he did not have ongoing relationship with one of them.

Also, NVSL states that you have to have a family membership with the pool in order to swim there and most require you to live in the house.

D1 is not really rec league

The entire league is REC league. Just because some teams have managed to cheat the system doesn't mean they are exempt from the rules.

They aren’t exempt from the rules and they actually follow them. If you don’t like the rules, propose new ones.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe I'm defending chesterbrook- but you have proved nothing. There is no restriction in NVSL rules for swimming for the NVSL and another league, indeed many kids do this to swim long course with their club teams and swim summer league. Sure its a little odd that he was swimming for 2 different rec leagues so far apart (its a long way from PG county to mclean)- but as long as his family had a bona fide membership at both clubs he's not breaking any rules. Perhaps the parents are split and he divided his time between mclean and PG county.

First - year round (club swim) and summer swim are two different things. And, no one ever said you can't do both.

This is about the fact he was swimming for 2 different summer leagues at once. You are correct, there is nothing in the rules that states you can't swim for more than one summer league. The only restriction NVSL places is you can't swim for 2 different teams that are a part of the NVSL league. The interesting thing is he ONLY swam for them in 2019. He never swam for them before or after. He has no other time records in the NVSL database. Why would he only swim with them for 1 year? Chesterbrook needed him and his times. Just because he wasn't technically breaking the rules, doesn't make it right.

It goes against the principles of rec league, you know community based fun swimming. Swimming for two rec leagues is BS when he did not have ongoing relationship with one of them.

Also, NVSL states that you have to have a family membership with the pool in order to swim there and most require you to live in the house.

D1 is not really rec league

The entire league is REC league. Just because some teams have managed to cheat the system doesn't mean they are exempt from the rules.

They aren’t exempt from the rules and they actually follow them. If you don’t like the rules, propose new ones.

The kid from Upper Marlboro had his family move to arlington for one summer, so they could then purchase a pool membership for one season (even though there is a long waitlist for memberships?).

[Anonymous]

If you have a membership to the pool- you can swim on the team. It is pretty simple.

We have a family that lives on the other side of FFX County from our pool and they pay the membership and their kids swim on our team. They are great swimmers and I have no idea why they drive 30 miles to our pool (our pool is not that nice) but they do it.

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Anonymous wrote:If you have a membership to the pool- you can swim on the team. It is pretty simple.

We have a family that lives on the other side of FFX County from our pool and they pay the membership and their kids swim on our team. They are great swimmers and I have no idea why they drive 30 miles to our pool (our pool is not that nice) but they do it.

At least in your case, it's been consistent and happening year after year. Could be a grandparents or a babysitter situation that make them want to do this drive.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe I'm defending chesterbrook- but you have proved nothing. There is no restriction in NVSL rules for swimming for the NVSL and another league, indeed many kids do this to swim long course with their club teams and swim summer league. Sure its a little odd that he was swimming for 2 different rec leagues so far apart (its a long way from PG county to mclean)- but as long as his family had a bona fide membership at both clubs he's not breaking any rules. Perhaps the parents are split and he divided his time between mclean and PG county.

First - year round (club swim) and summer swim are two different things. And, no one ever said you can't do both.

This is about the fact he was swimming for 2 different summer leagues at once. You are correct, there is nothing in the rules that states you can't swim for more than one summer league. The only restriction NVSL places is you can't swim for 2 different teams that are a part of the NVSL league. The interesting thing is he ONLY swam for them in 2019. He never swam for them before or after. He has no other time records in the NVSL database. Why would he only swim with them for 1 year? Chesterbrook needed him and his times. Just because he wasn't technically breaking the rules, doesn't make it right.

It goes against the principles of rec league, you know community based fun swimming. Swimming for two rec leagues is BS when he did not have ongoing relationship with one of them.

Also, NVSL states that you have to have a family membership with the pool in order to swim there and most require you to live in the house.

D1 is not really rec league

The entire league is REC league. Just because some teams have managed to cheat the system doesn't mean they are exempt from the rules.

Unless you believe that three pools just happen to produce the best swimmers from their membership year after year for decades, it's pretty obvious that it isn't a rec league at the top

like another poster already pointed out, what really makes these top 3 pools so good every year is their membership size is so much bigger than other pools in the NVSL. So even though our lower division pool may be able to beat them in a few cohorts (e.g 8u boys), these top teams consistently have so much depth they will dominate us in a meet. Even if you think Chesterbrook cheated here (i agree this does go against the spirit of the league), I don't believe cheating is rampant at these pools.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe I'm defending chesterbrook- but you have proved nothing. There is no restriction in NVSL rules for swimming for the NVSL and another league, indeed many kids do this to swim long course with their club teams and swim summer league. Sure its a little odd that he was swimming for 2 different rec leagues so far apart (its a long way from PG county to mclean)- but as long as his family had a bona fide membership at both clubs he's not breaking any rules. Perhaps the parents are split and he divided his time between mclean and PG county.

First - year round (club swim) and summer swim are two different things. And, no one ever said you can't do both.

This is about the fact he was swimming for 2 different summer leagues at once. You are correct, there is nothing in the rules that states you can't swim for more than one summer league. The only restriction NVSL places is you can't swim for 2 different teams that are a part of the NVSL league. The interesting thing is he ONLY swam for them in 2019. He never swam for them before or after. He has no other time records in the NVSL database. Why would he only swim with them for 1 year? Chesterbrook needed him and his times. Just because he wasn't technically breaking the rules, doesn't make it right.

It goes against the principles of rec league, you know community based fun swimming. Swimming for two rec leagues is BS when he did not have ongoing relationship with one of them.

Also, NVSL states that you have to have a family membership with the pool in order to swim there and most require you to live in the house.

D1 is not really rec league

The entire league is REC league. Just because some teams have managed to cheat the system doesn't mean they are exempt from the rules.

Unless you believe that three pools just happen to produce the best swimmers from their membership year after year for decades, it's pretty obvious that it isn't a rec league at the top

like another poster already pointed out, what really makes these top 3 pools so good every year is their membership size is so much bigger than other pools in the NVSL. So even though our lower division pool may be able to beat them in a few cohorts (e.g 8u boys), these top teams consistently have so much depth they will dominate us in a meet. Even if you think Chesterbrook cheated here (i agree this does go against the spirit of the league), I don't believe cheating is rampant at these pools.

There memberships aren't really that much larger than other pools and certainly not enough to explain their results. The top 5 or 6 divisions are packed with similar sized pools, but these three win ever year

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe I'm defending chesterbrook- but you have proved nothing. There is no restriction in NVSL rules for swimming for the NVSL and another league, indeed many kids do this to swim long course with their club teams and swim summer league. Sure its a little odd that he was swimming for 2 different rec leagues so far apart (its a long way from PG county to mclean)- but as long as his family had a bona fide membership at both clubs he's not breaking any rules. Perhaps the parents are split and he divided his time between mclean and PG county.

First - year round (club swim) and summer swim are two different things. And, no one ever said you can't do both.

This is about the fact he was swimming for 2 different summer leagues at once. You are correct, there is nothing in the rules that states you can't swim for more than one summer league. The only restriction NVSL places is you can't swim for 2 different teams that are a part of the NVSL league. The interesting thing is he ONLY swam for them in 2019. He never swam for them before or after. He has no other time records in the NVSL database. Why would he only swim with them for 1 year? Chesterbrook needed him and his times. Just because he wasn't technically breaking the rules, doesn't make it right.

It goes against the principles of rec league, you know community based fun swimming. Swimming for two rec leagues is BS when he did not have ongoing relationship with one of them.

Also, NVSL states that you have to have a family membership with the pool in order to swim there and most require you to live in the house.

D1 is not really rec league

The entire league is REC league. Just because some teams have managed to cheat the system doesn't mean they are exempt from the rules.

Unless you believe that three pools just happen to produce the best swimmers from their membership year after year for decades, it's pretty obvious that it isn't a rec league at the top

like another poster already pointed out, what really makes these top 3 pools so good every year is their membership size is so much bigger than other pools in the NVSL. So even though our lower division pool may be able to beat them in a few cohorts (e.g 8u boys), these top teams consistently have so much depth they will dominate us in a meet. Even if you think Chesterbrook cheated here (i agree this does go against the spirit of the league), I don't believe cheating is rampant at these pools.

There memberships aren't really that much larger than other pools and certainly not enough to explain their results. The top 5 or 6 divisions are packed with similar sized pools, but these three win ever year

I can't really debate this since I don't know where to find all the data on pool membership size. Someone earlier mentioned that Overlee has over 800 families. That is well more than double the size of our pool (Div 3). Also, I have been to both Overlee and Chesterbrook (but not Tuckahoe) for non-swim league things. Their facilities are massive compared to ours. They both have a secondary pool that i think could probably host a meet without even using their larger pool.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe I'm defending chesterbrook- but you have proved nothing. There is no restriction in NVSL rules for swimming for the NVSL and another league, indeed many kids do this to swim long course with their club teams and swim summer league. Sure its a little odd that he was swimming for 2 different rec leagues so far apart (its a long way from PG county to mclean)- but as long as his family had a bona fide membership at both clubs he's not breaking any rules. Perhaps the parents are split and he divided his time between mclean and PG county.

First - year round (club swim) and summer swim are two different things. And, no one ever said you can't do both.

This is about the fact he was swimming for 2 different summer leagues at once. You are correct, there is nothing in the rules that states you can't swim for more than one summer league. The only restriction NVSL places is you can't swim for 2 different teams that are a part of the NVSL league. The interesting thing is he ONLY swam for them in 2019. He never swam for them before or after. He has no other time records in the NVSL database. Why would he only swim with them for 1 year? Chesterbrook needed him and his times. Just because he wasn't technically breaking the rules, doesn't make it right.

It goes against the principles of rec league, you know community based fun swimming. Swimming for two rec leagues is BS when he did not have ongoing relationship with one of them.

Also, NVSL states that you have to have a family membership with the pool in order to swim there and most require you to live in the house.

D1 is not really rec league

The entire league is REC league. Just because some teams have managed to cheat the system doesn't mean they are exempt from the rules.

Unless you believe that three pools just happen to produce the best swimmers from their membership year after year for decades, it's pretty obvious that it isn't a rec league at the top

like another poster already pointed out, what really makes these top 3 pools so good every year is their membership size is so much bigger than other pools in the NVSL. So even though our lower division pool may be able to beat them in a few cohorts (e.g 8u boys), these top teams consistently have so much depth they will dominate us in a meet. Even if you think Chesterbrook cheated here (i agree this does go against the spirit of the league), I don't believe cheating is rampant at these pools.

There memberships aren't really that much larger than other pools and certainly not enough to explain their results. The top 5 or 6 divisions are packed with similar sized pools, but these three win ever year

I can't really debate this since I don't know where to find all the data on pool membership size. Someone earlier mentioned that Overlee has over 800 families. That is well more than double the size of our pool (Div 3). Also, I have been to both Overlee and Chesterbrook (but not Tuckahoe) for non-swim league things. Their facilities are massive compared to ours. They both have a secondary pool that i think could probably host a meet without even using their larger pool.

We were division 5 last year and there were a few pools with secondary pools and large facilities

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Our hoa, little rocky run, has 2800 households with automatic number of pool memberships. If it was just about numbers, we would be competitive in D1.