What is "woke?" Conservative author tries to define it

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If it is just a fact, then why would you have to say it before every meeting? You know about the cannibalism (and the wars) of the Anishinaabe, but for some reason don't you want to state this fact before every meeting.

Should meetings in England begin by stating that they are on land previously occupied by the Normans, and previous to that by the Anglo-Saxons, and previous to that by the Romans, and previous to that by the Celts? All these groups gained their land through extremely violent wars.

Hi. Democrat here. I think land acknowledgments are dumb and pointless myself but I have to say…who is doing them? Because I work for a left-leaning nonprofit and I’ve never heard anyone do one before a meeting. Is this just something conservatives imagine is happening before every meeting?

I had mentioned it because I came across it at work at the University of Maryland (https://diversity.umd.edu/resources/land-acknowledgement ). They are much more common in the western US and especially in Canada. (I am told that they are also common in Australia.) Try googling "land acknowledgement Canada" where they seem to be part of every university and government agency.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You guys know she’s reading this and thrives on the attention, right? Enjoy her claiming on Twitter that you guys just hate her because she’s Jewish and not because she’s terrible. Wonder when her friends will show up to claim we “just don’t understand sarcasm” just like the last time we discussed her idiocy

Sadly, I have been deprived of her Twitter takes. She blocked me after the last go-round with DCUM.

Aw, too bad, she’s such a lovely person.

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I love the land acknowledgements. That one is the opposite of “woke,” it’s just telling the truth, gently and repeatedly. My home sits on Dakota and Anishinaabe land. That’s the truth.

No, it is not the truth. Your home currently sits on US (or possibly Canadian) land. There was a time in the past when Dakota or Anishinaabe-speaking people lived on the land. They almost certainly conquered other peoples to get that land. Civilizations constantly come and go -- in Europe, Asia, and Africa as well as North America.

And why should we constantly repeat the fact that Anishinaabe people formerly lived on the land? Why not gently and repeatedly state the fact that the Anishinaabe practiced cannibalism, sometimes boiling and eating their foes after battles? ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anishinaabe) These are both facts that we should study in history class. There is no need to make either into a quasi-religious incantation.

Thanks for proving my point about why I love the land acknowledgements.

Fine, you do your religious incantations and I'll do mine. Just don't make me do yours.

Pointing out that a building occupies land from which a population was genocided is not a “religious incantation,” it’s the truth no matter how you try to obfuscate (and try to share scary facts like I didn’t already know them? Do you think no one reads books?).

If it is just a fact, then why would you have to say it before every meeting? You know about the cannibalism (and the wars) of the Anishinaabe, but for some reason don't you want to state this fact before every meeting.

Should meetings in England begin by stating that they are on land previously occupied by the Normans, and previous to that by the Anglo-Saxons, and previous to that by the Romans, and previous to that by the Celts? All these groups gained their land through extremely violent wars.

Hi. Democrat here. I think land acknowledgments are dumb and pointless myself but I have to say…who is doing them? Because I work for a left-leaning nonprofit and I’ve never heard anyone do one before a meeting. Is this just something conservatives imagine is happening before every meeting?

They're happening in Canada and Australia so obviously this is a major problem that must be dealt with here right after we tackle the caravans full of drag queens coming for the childrens

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Anonymous wrote:So here’s the thing. I reckon most liberals would consider me a conservative. In fact a lot of liberals have told me they think I’m a secret conservative. I’m not, I voted for Biden, but I agree with Robby Soave that wokeness is something you know when you see or whatever. I don’t get trans/non-binary stuff (but I try to be respectful and use correct pronouns), I think it’s weird that there are so many trans kids, I despise inclusive language…you’d think I’m the perfect customer for Bethany’s book.

But no, even though I probably agree with Bethany on a lot, I think she’s a complete shit for brains. It’s true, I can’t define wokeness but I also didn’t spend a year writing a book about it. You’d think someone who wrote an entire chapter defining woke would have come up with a 15 second explanation. Like, Bethany at no point when writing the book did you and Karol think “Hey during the media tour we’ll probably be asked to define this super vague word. We should have a brief and pithy explanation”? No, you didn’t, because you and Karol are both effing stupid. But Karol didn’t shit the bed today on live TV so we’ll leave her out of this.

On top of just generally being stupid, she’s an attention seeker. This woman loves to be talked about badly on line so she can pull song and dance numero uno from the MAGA playbook: Martyrdom. Bethany loves to tweet “play stupid games win stupid prizes,” but then when she does something dumb and people call her on it, she is SHOCKED. She’s an edge lord and grade A troll who loves to fuel the outrage Olympics. Instead of just tweeting something normal in spring of 2020 like “Hey maybe we should evaluate how lockdowns will affect kids and the economy long term” she literally tweeted “call me a grandma killer I’m going to the zoo” and was surprised that people were like “wtf?”

And remember, kids. Bethany claimed to be anti-Trump until she realized being MAGA brought more clicks. So she was vocally pro-Trump all through the 2020 election. And then on January 6 she pretended she had never been pro-Trump. The end.

I don't think most liberals would consider you a conservative - I think most of us feel more or less exactly like you do. A little baffled by all the kids who are suddenly changing genders or are non-binary, don't love "they" language or having to announce your pronouns. But I think at the same time we also don't think that trans kids - or ANYONE - should be hunted down and persecuted, and their parents sent to jail, and drag queens dragged into the streets, and all that. Like we can have a little twitchiness about where we are in the process of all this without becoming insane reactionaries - or, in most cases, hateful, craven opportunists - like Republicans are.

I think Hegel got it right - there's thesis, antithesis, synthesis. We're at the antithesis stage of all this right now. Eventually it will all just settle into a normal, natural pattern and more or less be NBD. But right now the Rs are all inflamed, and Ds like us - who I think are the majority - are mostly biding our time, biting our tongues, and trying not to make anything worse. I'd definitely rather be a little eye rolly about pronouns than have books about gay people stripped from libraries while parents of trans kids worry about their kids being taken away and themselves being sent to jail.

Meanwhile Very Online people continue to be Very Online. I guess the thing is that the Ds aren't ruled by the Very Online people - the leaders are moderates. Republicans live and die by what the Very Online mob dictates.

Thank you for the bolded- I roll my eyes at many things on both sides but I don't think they need to be regulated in the extreme way that Rs want to do it. I roll my eyes at the beloved religiousness that Rs love no much but I don't think we should ban it (just practice it away from me!). I roll my eyes a little at liberal college students who protest sweatshops while wearing clothes from the GAP. I roll my eyes at people who routinely get abortions for birth control (even though the number of people doing so is vastly overinflated by the GOP) but I don't think that means they should get the death penalty (or that we should regulate aboriotn in. way that people who need healthcare are then affected).

No one is having abortions for birth control. No one.

Do you not know any current college students? They’re not wearing Gap. They’re wearing weird little niche brands you never heard of. They’re wearing thrifted clothes. Actually they might literally be wearing our old Gap clothing, but they’re usually not wearing new, at least not the ones who care enough to protest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So here’s the thing. I reckon most liberals would consider me a conservative. In fact a lot of liberals have told me they think I’m a secret conservative. I’m not, I voted for Biden, but I agree with Robby Soave that wokeness is something you know when you see or whatever. I don’t get trans/non-binary stuff (but I try to be respectful and use correct pronouns), I think it’s weird that there are so many trans kids, I despise inclusive language…you’d think I’m the perfect customer for Bethany’s book.

But no, even though I probably agree with Bethany on a lot, I think she’s a complete shit for brains. It’s true, I can’t define wokeness but I also didn’t spend a year writing a book about it. You’d think someone who wrote an entire chapter defining woke would have come up with a 15 second explanation. Like, Bethany at no point when writing the book did you and Karol think “Hey during the media tour we’ll probably be asked to define this super vague word. We should have a brief and pithy explanation”? No, you didn’t, because you and Karol are both effing stupid. But Karol didn’t shit the bed today on live TV so we’ll leave her out of this.

On top of just generally being stupid, she’s an attention seeker. This woman loves to be talked about badly on line so she can pull song and dance numero uno from the MAGA playbook: Martyrdom. Bethany loves to tweet “play stupid games win stupid prizes,” but then when she does something dumb and people call her on it, she is SHOCKED. She’s an edge lord and grade A troll who loves to fuel the outrage Olympics. Instead of just tweeting something normal in spring of 2020 like “Hey maybe we should evaluate how lockdowns will affect kids and the economy long term” she literally tweeted “call me a grandma killer I’m going to the zoo” and was surprised that people were like “wtf?”

And remember, kids. Bethany claimed to be anti-Trump until she realized being MAGA brought more clicks. So she was vocally pro-Trump all through the 2020 election. And then on January 6 she pretended she had never been pro-Trump. The end.

I don't think most liberals would consider you a conservative - I think most of us feel more or less exactly like you do. A little baffled by all the kids who are suddenly changing genders or are non-binary, don't love "they" language or having to announce your pronouns. But I think at the same time we also don't think that trans kids - or ANYONE - should be hunted down and persecuted, and their parents sent to jail, and drag queens dragged into the streets, and all that. Like we can have a little twitchiness about where we are in the process of all this without becoming insane reactionaries - or, in most cases, hateful, craven opportunists - like Republicans are.

I think Hegel got it right - there's thesis, antithesis, synthesis. We're at the antithesis stage of all this right now. Eventually it will all just settle into a normal, natural pattern and more or less be NBD. But right now the Rs are all inflamed, and Ds like us - who I think are the majority - are mostly biding our time, biting our tongues, and trying not to make anything worse. I'd definitely rather be a little eye rolly about pronouns than have books about gay people stripped from libraries while parents of trans kids worry about their kids being taken away and themselves being sent to jail.

Meanwhile Very Online people continue to be Very Online. I guess the thing is that the Ds aren't ruled by the Very Online people - the leaders are moderates. Republicans live and die by what the Very Online mob dictates.

Thank you for the bolded- I roll my eyes at many things on both sides but I don't think they need to be regulated in the extreme way that Rs want to do it. I roll my eyes at the beloved religiousness that Rs love no much but I don't think we should ban it (just practice it away from me!). I roll my eyes a little at liberal college students who protest sweatshops while wearing clothes from the GAP. I roll my eyes at people who routinely get abortions for birth control (even though the number of people doing so is vastly overinflated by the GOP) but I don't think that means they should get the death penalty (or that we should regulate aboriotn in. way that people who need healthcare are then affected).

No one is having abortions for birth control. No one.

Do you not know any current college students? They’re not wearing Gap. They’re wearing weird little niche brands you never heard of. They’re wearing thrifted clothes. Actually they might literally be wearing our old Gap clothing, but they’re usually not wearing new, at least not the ones who care enough to protest.

+1. My gen z college kid refuses to spend much money on clothing or shoes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So here’s the thing. I reckon most liberals would consider me a conservative. In fact a lot of liberals have told me they think I’m a secret conservative. I’m not, I voted for Biden, but I agree with Robby Soave that wokeness is something you know when you see or whatever. I don’t get trans/non-binary stuff (but I try to be respectful and use correct pronouns), I think it’s weird that there are so many trans kids, I despise inclusive language…you’d think I’m the perfect customer for Bethany’s book.

But no, even though I probably agree with Bethany on a lot, I think she’s a complete shit for brains. It’s true, I can’t define wokeness but I also didn’t spend a year writing a book about it. You’d think someone who wrote an entire chapter defining woke would have come up with a 15 second explanation. Like, Bethany at no point when writing the book did you and Karol think “Hey during the media tour we’ll probably be asked to define this super vague word. We should have a brief and pithy explanation”? No, you didn’t, because you and Karol are both effing stupid. But Karol didn’t shit the bed today on live TV so we’ll leave her out of this.

On top of just generally being stupid, she’s an attention seeker. This woman loves to be talked about badly on line so she can pull song and dance numero uno from the MAGA playbook: Martyrdom. Bethany loves to tweet “play stupid games win stupid prizes,” but then when she does something dumb and people call her on it, she is SHOCKED. She’s an edge lord and grade A troll who loves to fuel the outrage Olympics. Instead of just tweeting something normal in spring of 2020 like “Hey maybe we should evaluate how lockdowns will affect kids and the economy long term” she literally tweeted “call me a grandma killer I’m going to the zoo” and was surprised that people were like “wtf?”

And remember, kids. Bethany claimed to be anti-Trump until she realized being MAGA brought more clicks. So she was vocally pro-Trump all through the 2020 election. And then on January 6 she pretended she had never been pro-Trump. The end.

I don't think most liberals would consider you a conservative - I think most of us feel more or less exactly like you do. A little baffled by all the kids who are suddenly changing genders or are non-binary, don't love "they" language or having to announce your pronouns. But I think at the same time we also don't think that trans kids - or ANYONE - should be hunted down and persecuted, and their parents sent to jail, and drag queens dragged into the streets, and all that. Like we can have a little twitchiness about where we are in the process of all this without becoming insane reactionaries - or, in most cases, hateful, craven opportunists - like Republicans are.

I think Hegel got it right - there's thesis, antithesis, synthesis. We're at the antithesis stage of all this right now. Eventually it will all just settle into a normal, natural pattern and more or less be NBD. But right now the Rs are all inflamed, and Ds like us - who I think are the majority - are mostly biding our time, biting our tongues, and trying not to make anything worse. I'd definitely rather be a little eye rolly about pronouns than have books about gay people stripped from libraries while parents of trans kids worry about their kids being taken away and themselves being sent to jail.

Meanwhile Very Online people continue to be Very Online. I guess the thing is that the Ds aren't ruled by the Very Online people - the leaders are moderates. Republicans live and die by what the Very Online mob dictates.

Thank you for the bolded- I roll my eyes at many things on both sides but I don't think they need to be regulated in the extreme way that Rs want to do it. I roll my eyes at the beloved religiousness that Rs love no much but I don't think we should ban it (just practice it away from me!). I roll my eyes a little at liberal college students who protest sweatshops while wearing clothes from the GAP. I roll my eyes at people who routinely get abortions for birth control (even though the number of people doing so is vastly overinflated by the GOP) but I don't think that means they should get the death penalty (or that we should regulate aboriotn in. way that people who need healthcare are then affected).

No one is having abortions for birth control. No one.

Do you not know any current college students? They’re not wearing Gap. They’re wearing weird little niche brands you never heard of. They’re wearing thrifted clothes. Actually they might literally be wearing our old Gap clothing, but they’re usually not wearing new, at least not the ones who care enough to protest.

Way to be super literal. It may be a dated reference, but the concept still applies.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys know she’s reading this and thrives on the attention, right? Enjoy her claiming on Twitter that you guys just hate her because she’s Jewish and not because she’s terrible. Wonder when her friends will show up to claim we “just don’t understand sarcasm” just like the last time we discussed her idiocy

Sadly, I have been deprived of her Twitter takes. She blocked me after the last go-round with DCUM.

Aw, too bad, she’s such a lovely person.

The hypocrisy is astounding. When Bethany was a victim she spoke up and demanded that the community support her and other women and put the man in jail. Quite rightly so. except if it’s violence against another woman and then it’s a joke.

[Anonymous]

Who is trolling her about killing her mother, as she is claiming on Twitter? Why is she so committed to using the most dramatic language possible to describe things? I was like what is she talking about saying she killed her mother and then she tweets “I took her off life support.” I mean sorry for your loss but that’s not the same as killing your mother.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here’s the thing. I reckon most liberals would consider me a conservative. In fact a lot of liberals have told me they think I’m a secret conservative. I’m not, I voted for Biden, but I agree with Robby Soave that wokeness is something you know when you see or whatever. I don’t get trans/non-binary stuff (but I try to be respectful and use correct pronouns), I think it’s weird that there are so many trans kids, I despise inclusive language…you’d think I’m the perfect customer for Bethany’s book.

But no, even though I probably agree with Bethany on a lot, I think she’s a complete shit for brains. It’s true, I can’t define wokeness but I also didn’t spend a year writing a book about it. You’d think someone who wrote an entire chapter defining woke would have come up with a 15 second explanation. Like, Bethany at no point when writing the book did you and Karol think “Hey during the media tour we’ll probably be asked to define this super vague word. We should have a brief and pithy explanation”? No, you didn’t, because you and Karol are both effing stupid. But Karol didn’t shit the bed today on live TV so we’ll leave her out of this.

On top of just generally being stupid, she’s an attention seeker. This woman loves to be talked about badly on line so she can pull song and dance numero uno from the MAGA playbook: Martyrdom. Bethany loves to tweet “play stupid games win stupid prizes,” but then when she does something dumb and people call her on it, she is SHOCKED. She’s an edge lord and grade A troll who loves to fuel the outrage Olympics. Instead of just tweeting something normal in spring of 2020 like “Hey maybe we should evaluate how lockdowns will affect kids and the economy long term” she literally tweeted “call me a grandma killer I’m going to the zoo” and was surprised that people were like “wtf?”

And remember, kids. Bethany claimed to be anti-Trump until she realized being MAGA brought more clicks. So she was vocally pro-Trump all through the 2020 election. And then on January 6 she pretended she had never been pro-Trump. The end.

I don't think most liberals would consider you a conservative - I think most of us feel more or less exactly like you do. A little baffled by all the kids who are suddenly changing genders or are non-binary, don't love "they" language or having to announce your pronouns. But I think at the same time we also don't think that trans kids - or ANYONE - should be hunted down and persecuted, and their parents sent to jail, and drag queens dragged into the streets, and all that. Like we can have a little twitchiness about where we are in the process of all this without becoming insane reactionaries - or, in most cases, hateful, craven opportunists - like Republicans are.

I think Hegel got it right - there's thesis, antithesis, synthesis. We're at the antithesis stage of all this right now. Eventually it will all just settle into a normal, natural pattern and more or less be NBD. But right now the Rs are all inflamed, and Ds like us - who I think are the majority - are mostly biding our time, biting our tongues, and trying not to make anything worse. I'd definitely rather be a little eye rolly about pronouns than have books about gay people stripped from libraries while parents of trans kids worry about their kids being taken away and themselves being sent to jail.

Meanwhile Very Online people continue to be Very Online. I guess the thing is that the Ds aren't ruled by the Very Online people - the leaders are moderates. Republicans live and die by what the Very Online mob dictates.

Thank you for the bolded- I roll my eyes at many things on both sides but I don't think they need to be regulated in the extreme way that Rs want to do it. I roll my eyes at the beloved religiousness that Rs love no much but I don't think we should ban it (just practice it away from me!). I roll my eyes a little at liberal college students who protest sweatshops while wearing clothes from the GAP. I roll my eyes at people who routinely get abortions for birth control (even though the number of people doing so is vastly overinflated by the GOP) but I don't think that means they should get the death penalty (or that we should regulate aboriotn in. way that people who need healthcare are then affected).

No one is having abortions for birth control. No one.

Do you not know any current college students? They’re not wearing Gap. They’re wearing weird little niche brands you never heard of. They’re wearing thrifted clothes. Actually they might literally be wearing our old Gap clothing, but they’re usually not wearing new, at least not the ones who care enough to protest.

Way to be super literal. It may be a dated reference, but the concept still applies.

The concept still applies? If we’re not already perfect we can’t ask businesses for progress? That’s your “concept”?

[Anonymous]

I was at the dentist today and as the hygienist kindly checked in how I was doing, and as I though of all the advances in dental care in the last few years, and as she asked if mint was okay for the polish flavor and as generally great care was taken for my comfort and understanding, I thought about the overlap between the human conscientiousness that regressives decry as “woke” and the updated care that we receive as patients and I wondered if Republicans really want to go back to the way things were.

They’re frequently decrying people as too soft today, wanting “too much” thoughtfulness and I wonder if they’d really give up all these advances to go back to when dental care was quite a bit more primitive. I think they’d decry my example as a reach, but as they can’t define “woke” and as people see “woke” as things as varied as signs on the door on the bank, the example of increased sensitivity in medical care isn’t that far from what they’re complaining about.

[Anonymous]

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This is good. I also found this really interesting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You guys know she’s reading this and thrives on the attention, right? Enjoy her claiming on Twitter that you guys just hate her because she’s Jewish and not because she’s terrible. Wonder when her friends will show up to claim we “just don’t understand sarcasm” just like the last time we discussed her idiocy

Sadly, I have been deprived of her Twitter takes. She blocked me after the last go-round with DCUM.

Aw, too bad, she’s such a lovely person.

More here

[Anonymous]

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This is good. I also found this really interesting.

I thought that language evolves?