Church Raised Adult Children who Reject their Religion and are Raising Kids Without Church

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

But you agree that this is an example of a group that baptized children without parental consent, right? Just want to be clear.

Does a parent need to consent if a child says that they have decided they wish to be baptized?

It’s a private Christian school, and I expect parents who pay to send their child to a private Christian school would be ok with their child deciding they want to be baptized.

The real mystery here is why do you care if a child attending a private Christian school decides he or she wants to be baptized. How/why do you feel so strongly about what these kids are choosing to do? Their religious choices are their own to make.

Frankly you come off creepy and stalker-ish.

All I am reacting to is the poster who asserted that baptism without parental consent does not happen by any group. It does. Agree? It appears you do from the above…and it appears that you condone it in certain circumstances. I take no position on that. Just trying to get clear on facts.
I take no position

If a child wishes to be baptized, and gives consent, I don’t believe the parents need to give consent. In fact, if a child decides they wish to be baptized and are prevented from being baptized because their parents disagree, I would argue the parents are not required to give consent.

So parental consent should not be required to baptize a child then?

Grandma can take 7yo Larla to her church to be baptized and as long as Larla says she wants it the officiant should do so?
If not at 7yo, what age works for you?

If a child is attending a Christian school, which the parents pay for them to attend, and a child consents to be baptized, yes.

If the parents allow Larla to accompany Grandma to church and Larla wishes to be baptized, that’s Larla’s decision.

Baptism is a choice for each individual, regardless of age. It doesn’t mean that you will be forced to attend church your entire life if you are baptized as a child. It doesn’t mean you can’t change your mind when you are older as to your religious beliefs. We can see The Satanic Temple charges a fee to “un-baptize” people.

I don’t see how you must be involved in any person’s choice at any age if they consent to baptism. Why do you feel you are involved in anyone’s choice to be baptized?

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

But you agree that this is an example of a group that baptized children without parental consent, right? Just want to be clear.

Does a parent need to consent if a child says that they have decided they wish to be baptized?

It’s a private Christian school, and I expect parents who pay to send their child to a private Christian school would be ok with their child deciding they want to be baptized.

The real mystery here is why do you care if a child attending a private Christian school decides he or she wants to be baptized. How/why do you feel so strongly about what these kids are choosing to do? Their religious choices are their own to make.

Frankly you come off creepy and stalker-ish.

All I am reacting to is the poster who asserted that baptism without parental consent does not happen by any group. It does. Agree? It appears you do from the above…and it appears that you condone it in certain circumstances. I take no position on that. Just trying to get clear on facts.
I take no position

If a child wishes to be baptized, and gives consent, I don’t believe the parents need to give consent. In fact, if a child decides they wish to be baptized and are prevented from being baptized because their parents disagree, I would argue the parents are not required to give consent.

So parental consent should not be required to baptize a child then?

Grandma can take 7yo Larla to her church to be baptized and as long as Larla says she wants it the officiant should do so?
If not at 7yo, what age works for you?

If a child is attending a Christian school, which the parents pay for them to attend, and a child consents to be baptized, yes.

If the parents allow Larla to accompany Grandma to church and Larla wishes to be baptized, that’s Larla’s decision.

Baptism is a choice for each individual, regardless of age. It doesn’t mean that you will be forced to attend church your entire life if you are baptized as a child. It doesn’t mean you can’t change your mind when you are older as to your religious beliefs. We can see The Satanic Temple charges a fee to “un-baptize” people.

I don’t see how you must be involved in any person’s choice at any age if they consent to baptism. Why do you feel you are involved in anyone’s choice to be baptized?

I’m a bit confused because you start with some conditional answers, but then do go on to say that it is an individual choice regardless of age.

If Larla does NOT attend a Christian school and her parents do NOT know that Grandma is taking her….should she be baptized if she says she wants it?

(An BTW I have said not a single thing about what I think should happen or who should be involved.)

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

But you agree that this is an example of a group that baptized children without parental consent, right? Just want to be clear.

Does a parent need to consent if a child says that they have decided they wish to be baptized?

It’s a private Christian school, and I expect parents who pay to send their child to a private Christian school would be ok with their child deciding they want to be baptized.

The real mystery here is why do you care if a child attending a private Christian school decides he or she wants to be baptized. How/why do you feel so strongly about what these kids are choosing to do? Their religious choices are their own to make.

Frankly you come off creepy and stalker-ish.

All I am reacting to is the poster who asserted that baptism without parental consent does not happen by any group. It does. Agree? It appears you do from the above…and it appears that you condone it in certain circumstances. I take no position on that. Just trying to get clear on facts.
I take no position

If a child wishes to be baptized, and gives consent, I don’t believe the parents need to give consent. In fact, if a child decides they wish to be baptized and are prevented from being baptized because their parents disagree, I would argue the parents are not required to give consent.

So parental consent should not be required to baptize a child then?

Grandma can take 7yo Larla to her church to be baptized and as long as Larla says she wants it the officiant should do so?
If not at 7yo, what age works for you?

If a child is attending a Christian school, which the parents pay for them to attend, and a child consents to be baptized, yes.

If the parents allow Larla to accompany Grandma to church and Larla wishes to be baptized, that’s Larla’s decision.

Baptism is a choice for each individual, regardless of age. It doesn’t mean that you will be forced to attend church your entire life if you are baptized as a child. It doesn’t mean you can’t change your mind when you are older as to your religious beliefs. We can see The Satanic Temple charges a fee to “un-baptize” people.

I don’t see how you must be involved in any person’s choice at any age if they consent to baptism. Why do you feel you are involved in anyone’s choice to be baptized?

I’m a bit confused because you start with some conditional answers, but then do go on to say that it is an individual choice regardless of age.

If Larla does NOT attend a Christian school and her parents do NOT know that Grandma is taking her….should she be baptized if she says she wants it?

(An BTW I have said not a single thing about what I think should happen or who should be involved.)

Already established granny has the permission of parents to attend church with her grandchild. Do grandparents take kids to church without permission from the parents?

Op won’t respond with any details, so nobody knows op’s situation.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

But you agree that this is an example of a group that baptized children without parental consent, right? Just want to be clear.

Does a parent need to consent if a child says that they have decided they wish to be baptized?

It’s a private Christian school, and I expect parents who pay to send their child to a private Christian school would be ok with their child deciding they want to be baptized.

The real mystery here is why do you care if a child attending a private Christian school decides he or she wants to be baptized. How/why do you feel so strongly about what these kids are choosing to do? Their religious choices are their own to make.

Frankly you come off creepy and stalker-ish.

All I am reacting to is the poster who asserted that baptism without parental consent does not happen by any group. It does. Agree? It appears you do from the above…and it appears that you condone it in certain circumstances. I take no position on that. Just trying to get clear on facts.
I take no position

If a child wishes to be baptized, and gives consent, I don’t believe the parents need to give consent. In fact, if a child decides they wish to be baptized and are prevented from being baptized because their parents disagree, I would argue the parents are not required to give consent.

So parental consent should not be required to baptize a child then?

Grandma can take 7yo Larla to her church to be baptized and as long as Larla says she wants it the officiant should do so?
If not at 7yo, what age works for you?

If a child is attending a Christian school, which the parents pay for them to attend, and a child consents to be baptized, yes.

If the parents allow Larla to accompany Grandma to church and Larla wishes to be baptized, that’s Larla’s decision.

Baptism is a choice for each individual, regardless of age. It doesn’t mean that you will be forced to attend church your entire life if you are baptized as a child. It doesn’t mean you can’t change your mind when you are older as to your religious beliefs. We can see The Satanic Temple charges a fee to “un-baptize” people.

I don’t see how you must be involved in any person’s choice at any age if they consent to baptism. Why do you feel you are involved in anyone’s choice to be baptized?

I’m a bit confused because you start with some conditional answers, but then do go on to say that it is an individual choice regardless of age.

If Larla does NOT attend a Christian school and her parents do NOT know that Grandma is taking her….should she be baptized if she says she wants it?

(An BTW I have said not a single thing about what I think should happen or who should be involved.)

How do parents not know where their 7 year old is on Sunday morning? Op won’t give details, so is op taking her grandchild to church w/o permission?

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

But you agree that this is an example of a group that baptized children without parental consent, right? Just want to be clear.

Does a parent need to consent if a child says that they have decided they wish to be baptized?

It’s a private Christian school, and I expect parents who pay to send their child to a private Christian school would be ok with their child deciding they want to be baptized.

The real mystery here is why do you care if a child attending a private Christian school decides he or she wants to be baptized. How/why do you feel so strongly about what these kids are choosing to do? Their religious choices are their own to make.

Frankly you come off creepy and stalker-ish.

All I am reacting to is the poster who asserted that baptism without parental consent does not happen by any group. It does. Agree? It appears you do from the above…and it appears that you condone it in certain circumstances. I take no position on that. Just trying to get clear on facts.
I take no position

If a child wishes to be baptized, and gives consent, I don’t believe the parents need to give consent. In fact, if a child decides they wish to be baptized and are prevented from being baptized because their parents disagree, I would argue the parents are not required to give consent.

So parental consent should not be required to baptize a child then?

Grandma can take 7yo Larla to her church to be baptized and as long as Larla says she wants it the officiant should do so?
If not at 7yo, what age works for you?

If a child is attending a Christian school, which the parents pay for them to attend, and a child consents to be baptized, yes.

If the parents allow Larla to accompany Grandma to church and Larla wishes to be baptized, that’s Larla’s decision.

Baptism is a choice for each individual, regardless of age. It doesn’t mean that you will be forced to attend church your entire life if you are baptized as a child. It doesn’t mean you can’t change your mind when you are older as to your religious beliefs. We can see The Satanic Temple charges a fee to “un-baptize” people.

I don’t see how you must be involved in any person’s choice at any age if they consent to baptism. Why do you feel you are involved in anyone’s choice to be baptized?

I’m a bit confused because you start with some conditional answers, but then do go on to say that it is an individual choice regardless of age.

If Larla does NOT attend a Christian school and her parents do NOT know that Grandma is taking her….should she be baptized if she says she wants it?

(An BTW I have said not a single thing about what I think should happen or who should be involved.)

Already established granny has the permission of parents to attend church with her grandchild. Do grandparents take kids to church without permission from the parents?

Op won’t respond with any details, so nobody knows op’s situation.

Where was it “established” that Granny had permission? We have been far afield from OP’s initial question for a long time anyway.

Can you answer the question posed above? You’ve obliged so far. (Assuming same PP)

If a grandparent takes a child to be baptized, with no knowledge of the parents or permission of the parents to engage in any religious activity at all, and the child says they want it, should the baptism occur?

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

But you agree that this is an example of a group that baptized children without parental consent, right? Just want to be clear.

Does a parent need to consent if a child says that they have decided they wish to be baptized?

It’s a private Christian school, and I expect parents who pay to send their child to a private Christian school would be ok with their child deciding they want to be baptized.

The real mystery here is why do you care if a child attending a private Christian school decides he or she wants to be baptized. How/why do you feel so strongly about what these kids are choosing to do? Their religious choices are their own to make.

Frankly you come off creepy and stalker-ish.

All I am reacting to is the poster who asserted that baptism without parental consent does not happen by any group. It does. Agree? It appears you do from the above…and it appears that you condone it in certain circumstances. I take no position on that. Just trying to get clear on facts.
I take no position

If a child wishes to be baptized, and gives consent, I don’t believe the parents need to give consent. In fact, if a child decides they wish to be baptized and are prevented from being baptized because their parents disagree, I would argue the parents are not required to give consent.

So parental consent should not be required to baptize a child then?

Grandma can take 7yo Larla to her church to be baptized and as long as Larla says she wants it the officiant should do so?
If not at 7yo, what age works for you?

If a child is attending a Christian school, which the parents pay for them to attend, and a child consents to be baptized, yes.

If the parents allow Larla to accompany Grandma to church and Larla wishes to be baptized, that’s Larla’s decision.

Baptism is a choice for each individual, regardless of age. It doesn’t mean that you will be forced to attend church your entire life if you are baptized as a child. It doesn’t mean you can’t change your mind when you are older as to your religious beliefs. We can see The Satanic Temple charges a fee to “un-baptize” people.

I don’t see how you must be involved in any person’s choice at any age if they consent to baptism. Why do you feel you are involved in anyone’s choice to be baptized?

I’m a bit confused because you start with some conditional answers, but then do go on to say that it is an individual choice regardless of age.

If Larla does NOT attend a Christian school and her parents do NOT know that Grandma is taking her….should she be baptized if she says she wants it?

(An BTW I have said not a single thing about what I think should happen or who should be involved.)

Already established granny has the permission of parents to attend church with her grandchild. Do grandparents take kids to church without permission from the parents?

Op won’t respond with any details, so nobody knows op’s situation.

Where was it “established” that Granny had permission? We have been far afield from OP’s initial question for a long time anyway.

Can you answer the question posed above? You’ve obliged so far. (Assuming same PP)

If a grandparent takes a child to be baptized, with no knowledge of the parents or permission of the parents to engage in any religious activity at all, and the child says they want it, should the baptism occur?

You fundamentally misunderstand baptism. The parents would be present for the baptism, if a child chooses to be baptized.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

But you agree that this is an example of a group that baptized children without parental consent, right? Just want to be clear.

Does a parent need to consent if a child says that they have decided they wish to be baptized?

It’s a private Christian school, and I expect parents who pay to send their child to a private Christian school would be ok with their child deciding they want to be baptized.

The real mystery here is why do you care if a child attending a private Christian school decides he or she wants to be baptized. How/why do you feel so strongly about what these kids are choosing to do? Their religious choices are their own to make.

Frankly you come off creepy and stalker-ish.

All I am reacting to is the poster who asserted that baptism without parental consent does not happen by any group. It does. Agree? It appears you do from the above…and it appears that you condone it in certain circumstances. I take no position on that. Just trying to get clear on facts.
I take no position

If a child wishes to be baptized, and gives consent, I don’t believe the parents need to give consent. In fact, if a child decides they wish to be baptized and are prevented from being baptized because their parents disagree, I would argue the parents are not required to give consent.

So parental consent should not be required to baptize a child then?

Grandma can take 7yo Larla to her church to be baptized and as long as Larla says she wants it the officiant should do so?
If not at 7yo, what age works for you?

If a child is attending a Christian school, which the parents pay for them to attend, and a child consents to be baptized, yes.

If the parents allow Larla to accompany Grandma to church and Larla wishes to be baptized, that’s Larla’s decision.

Baptism is a choice for each individual, regardless of age. It doesn’t mean that you will be forced to attend church your entire life if you are baptized as a child. It doesn’t mean you can’t change your mind when you are older as to your religious beliefs. We can see The Satanic Temple charges a fee to “un-baptize” people.

I don’t see how you must be involved in any person’s choice at any age if they consent to baptism. Why do you feel you are involved in anyone’s choice to be baptized?

I’m a bit confused because you start with some conditional answers, but then do go on to say that it is an individual choice regardless of age.

If Larla does NOT attend a Christian school and her parents do NOT know that Grandma is taking her….should she be baptized if she says she wants it?

(An BTW I have said not a single thing about what I think should happen or who should be involved.)

Already established granny has the permission of parents to attend church with her grandchild. Do grandparents take kids to church without permission from the parents?

Op won’t respond with any details, so nobody knows op’s situation.

Where was it “established” that Granny had permission? We have been far afield from OP’s initial question for a long time anyway.

Can you answer the question posed above? You’ve obliged so far. (Assuming same PP)

If a grandparent takes a child to be baptized, with no knowledge of the parents or permission of the parents to engage in any religious activity at all, and the child says they want it, should the baptism occur?

You fundamentally misunderstand baptism. The parents would be present for the baptism, if a child chooses to be baptized.

I think maybe you haven’t been following this exchange.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

But you agree that this is an example of a group that baptized children without parental consent, right? Just want to be clear.

Does a parent need to consent if a child says that they have decided they wish to be baptized?

It’s a private Christian school, and I expect parents who pay to send their child to a private Christian school would be ok with their child deciding they want to be baptized.

The real mystery here is why do you care if a child attending a private Christian school decides he or she wants to be baptized. How/why do you feel so strongly about what these kids are choosing to do? Their religious choices are their own to make.

Frankly you come off creepy and stalker-ish.

All I am reacting to is the poster who asserted that baptism without parental consent does not happen by any group. It does. Agree? It appears you do from the above…and it appears that you condone it in certain circumstances. I take no position on that. Just trying to get clear on facts.
I take no position

If a child wishes to be baptized, and gives consent, I don’t believe the parents need to give consent. In fact, if a child decides they wish to be baptized and are prevented from being baptized because their parents disagree, I would argue the parents are not required to give consent.

So parental consent should not be required to baptize a child then?

Grandma can take 7yo Larla to her church to be baptized and as long as Larla says she wants it the officiant should do so?
If not at 7yo, what age works for you?

If a child is attending a Christian school, which the parents pay for them to attend, and a child consents to be baptized, yes.

If the parents allow Larla to accompany Grandma to church and Larla wishes to be baptized, that’s Larla’s decision.

Baptism is a choice for each individual, regardless of age. It doesn’t mean that you will be forced to attend church your entire life if you are baptized as a child. It doesn’t mean you can’t change your mind when you are older as to your religious beliefs. We can see The Satanic Temple charges a fee to “un-baptize” people.

I don’t see how you must be involved in any person’s choice at any age if they consent to baptism. Why do you feel you are involved in anyone’s choice to be baptized?

I’m a bit confused because you start with some conditional answers, but then do go on to say that it is an individual choice regardless of age.

If Larla does NOT attend a Christian school and her parents do NOT know that Grandma is taking her….should she be baptized if she says she wants it?

(An BTW I have said not a single thing about what I think should happen or who should be involved.)

Already established granny has the permission of parents to attend church with her grandchild. Do grandparents take kids to church without permission from the parents?

Op won’t respond with any details, so nobody knows op’s situation.

Where was it “established” that Granny had permission? We have been far afield from OP’s initial question for a long time anyway.

Can you answer the question posed above? You’ve obliged so far. (Assuming same PP)

If a grandparent takes a child to be baptized, with no knowledge of the parents or permission of the parents to engage in any religious activity at all, and the child says they want it, should the baptism occur?

You fundamentally misunderstand baptism. The parents would be present for the baptism, if a child chooses to be baptized.

I think maybe you haven’t been following this exchange.

You suppose 2 hypothetical scenarios:

grandma is regularly attending church with Larla w/o permission. (How would parents not know where their 7 year old is every Sunday morning?) If you are a parent and you don’t know where your kids is every Sunday, you suck.

Baptism in church is attending by family. Larla would have her parents in attendance during the baptism ceremony.

op posted Baptize? w/o details. We should have details from op.

In reality, only the most drug addicted, absent parents would not realize their child was attending church with MeeMaw and wanted to be baptized.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

But you agree that this is an example of a group that baptized children without parental consent, right? Just want to be clear.

Does a parent need to consent if a child says that they have decided they wish to be baptized?

It’s a private Christian school, and I expect parents who pay to send their child to a private Christian school would be ok with their child deciding they want to be baptized.

The real mystery here is why do you care if a child attending a private Christian school decides he or she wants to be baptized. How/why do you feel so strongly about what these kids are choosing to do? Their religious choices are their own to make.

Frankly you come off creepy and stalker-ish.

All I am reacting to is the poster who asserted that baptism without parental consent does not happen by any group. It does. Agree? It appears you do from the above…and it appears that you condone it in certain circumstances. I take no position on that. Just trying to get clear on facts.
I take no position

If a child wishes to be baptized, and gives consent, I don’t believe the parents need to give consent. In fact, if a child decides they wish to be baptized and are prevented from being baptized because their parents disagree, I would argue the parents are not required to give consent.

So parental consent should not be required to baptize a child then?

Grandma can take 7yo Larla to her church to be baptized and as long as Larla says she wants it the officiant should do so?
If not at 7yo, what age works for you?

If a child is attending a Christian school, which the parents pay for them to attend, and a child consents to be baptized, yes.

If the parents allow Larla to accompany Grandma to church and Larla wishes to be baptized, that’s Larla’s decision.

Baptism is a choice for each individual, regardless of age. It doesn’t mean that you will be forced to attend church your entire life if you are baptized as a child. It doesn’t mean you can’t change your mind when you are older as to your religious beliefs. We can see The Satanic Temple charges a fee to “un-baptize” people.

I don’t see how you must be involved in any person’s choice at any age if they consent to baptism. Why do you feel you are involved in anyone’s choice to be baptized?

I’m a bit confused because you start with some conditional answers, but then do go on to say that it is an individual choice regardless of age.

If Larla does NOT attend a Christian school and her parents do NOT know that Grandma is taking her….should she be baptized if she says she wants it?

(An BTW I have said not a single thing about what I think should happen or who should be involved.)

Already established granny has the permission of parents to attend church with her grandchild. Do grandparents take kids to church without permission from the parents?

Op won’t respond with any details, so nobody knows op’s situation.

Where was it “established” that Granny had permission? We have been far afield from OP’s initial question for a long time anyway.

Can you answer the question posed above? You’ve obliged so far. (Assuming same PP)

If a grandparent takes a child to be baptized, with no knowledge of the parents or permission of the parents to engage in any religious activity at all, and the child says they want it, should the baptism occur?

You fundamentally misunderstand baptism. The parents would be present for the baptism, if a child chooses to be baptized.

I think maybe you haven’t been following this exchange.

You suppose 2 hypothetical scenarios:

grandma is regularly attending church with Larla w/o permission. (How would parents not know where their 7 year old is every Sunday morning?) If you are a parent and you don’t know where your kids is every Sunday, you suck.

Baptism in church is attending by family. Larla would have her parents in attendance during the baptism ceremony.

op posted Baptize? w/o details. We should have details from op.

In reality, only the most drug addicted, absent parents would not realize their child was attending church with MeeMaw and wanted to be baptized.

Is it not possible for a baptism to occur outside of a Sunday morning service?
Is it not possible for a parent to send their child to a grandparent’s for a weekend?

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

But you agree that this is an example of a group that baptized children without parental consent, right? Just want to be clear.

Does a parent need to consent if a child says that they have decided they wish to be baptized?

It’s a private Christian school, and I expect parents who pay to send their child to a private Christian school would be ok with their child deciding they want to be baptized.

The real mystery here is why do you care if a child attending a private Christian school decides he or she wants to be baptized. How/why do you feel so strongly about what these kids are choosing to do? Their religious choices are their own to make.

Frankly you come off creepy and stalker-ish.

All I am reacting to is the poster who asserted that baptism without parental consent does not happen by any group. It does. Agree? It appears you do from the above…and it appears that you condone it in certain circumstances. I take no position on that. Just trying to get clear on facts.
I take no position

If a child wishes to be baptized, and gives consent, I don’t believe the parents need to give consent. In fact, if a child decides they wish to be baptized and are prevented from being baptized because their parents disagree, I would argue the parents are not required to give consent.

So parental consent should not be required to baptize a child then?

Grandma can take 7yo Larla to her church to be baptized and as long as Larla says she wants it the officiant should do so?
If not at 7yo, what age works for you?

If a child is attending a Christian school, which the parents pay for them to attend, and a child consents to be baptized, yes.

If the parents allow Larla to accompany Grandma to church and Larla wishes to be baptized, that’s Larla’s decision.

Baptism is a choice for each individual, regardless of age. It doesn’t mean that you will be forced to attend church your entire life if you are baptized as a child. It doesn’t mean you can’t change your mind when you are older as to your religious beliefs. We can see The Satanic Temple charges a fee to “un-baptize” people.

I don’t see how you must be involved in any person’s choice at any age if they consent to baptism. Why do you feel you are involved in anyone’s choice to be baptized?

I’m a bit confused because you start with some conditional answers, but then do go on to say that it is an individual choice regardless of age.

If Larla does NOT attend a Christian school and her parents do NOT know that Grandma is taking her….should she be baptized if she says she wants it?

(An BTW I have said not a single thing about what I think should happen or who should be involved.)

Already established granny has the permission of parents to attend church with her grandchild. Do grandparents take kids to church without permission from the parents?

Op won’t respond with any details, so nobody knows op’s situation.

Where was it “established” that Granny had permission? We have been far afield from OP’s initial question for a long time anyway.

Can you answer the question posed above? You’ve obliged so far. (Assuming same PP)

If a grandparent takes a child to be baptized, with no knowledge of the parents or permission of the parents to engage in any religious activity at all, and the child says they want it, should the baptism occur?

You fundamentally misunderstand baptism. The parents would be present for the baptism, if a child chooses to be baptized.

I think maybe you haven’t been following this exchange.

You suppose 2 hypothetical scenarios:

grandma is regularly attending church with Larla w/o permission. (How would parents not know where their 7 year old is every Sunday morning?) If you are a parent and you don’t know where your kids is every Sunday, you suck.

Baptism in church is attending by family. Larla would have her parents in attendance during the baptism ceremony.

op posted Baptize? w/o details. We should have details from op.

In reality, only the most drug addicted, absent parents would not realize their child was attending church with MeeMaw and wanted to be baptized.

Is it not possible for a baptism to occur outside of a Sunday morning service?
Is it not possible for a parent to send their child to a grandparent’s for a weekend?

Is it not possible a clown will dance into your home and give you a free balloon? Yes, it’s possible.

So you are making up a scenario in which an imaginary child (DCUM’s precious Larla) goes to see GamGam for a single weekend and goes to a single Sunday service and is baptized?

Again- you fundamentally misunderstand baptism and are making situations up out of whole cloth.

Troll op is long gone.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

But you agree that this is an example of a group that baptized children without parental consent, right? Just want to be clear.

Does a parent need to consent if a child says that they have decided they wish to be baptized?

It’s a private Christian school, and I expect parents who pay to send their child to a private Christian school would be ok with their child deciding they want to be baptized.

The real mystery here is why do you care if a child attending a private Christian school decides he or she wants to be baptized. How/why do you feel so strongly about what these kids are choosing to do? Their religious choices are their own to make.

Frankly you come off creepy and stalker-ish.

All I am reacting to is the poster who asserted that baptism without parental consent does not happen by any group. It does. Agree? It appears you do from the above…and it appears that you condone it in certain circumstances. I take no position on that. Just trying to get clear on facts.
I take no position

If a child wishes to be baptized, and gives consent, I don’t believe the parents need to give consent. In fact, if a child decides they wish to be baptized and are prevented from being baptized because their parents disagree, I would argue the parents are not required to give consent.

So parental consent should not be required to baptize a child then?

Grandma can take 7yo Larla to her church to be baptized and as long as Larla says she wants it the officiant should do so?
If not at 7yo, what age works for you?

If a child is attending a Christian school, which the parents pay for them to attend, and a child consents to be baptized, yes.

If the parents allow Larla to accompany Grandma to church and Larla wishes to be baptized, that’s Larla’s decision.

Baptism is a choice for each individual, regardless of age. It doesn’t mean that you will be forced to attend church your entire life if you are baptized as a child. It doesn’t mean you can’t change your mind when you are older as to your religious beliefs. We can see The Satanic Temple charges a fee to “un-baptize” people.

I don’t see how you must be involved in any person’s choice at any age if they consent to baptism. Why do you feel you are involved in anyone’s choice to be baptized?

I’m a bit confused because you start with some conditional answers, but then do go on to say that it is an individual choice regardless of age.

If Larla does NOT attend a Christian school and her parents do NOT know that Grandma is taking her….should she be baptized if she says she wants it?

(An BTW I have said not a single thing about what I think should happen or who should be involved.)

Already established granny has the permission of parents to attend church with her grandchild. Do grandparents take kids to church without permission from the parents?

Op won’t respond with any details, so nobody knows op’s situation.

Where was it “established” that Granny had permission? We have been far afield from OP’s initial question for a long time anyway.

Can you answer the question posed above? You’ve obliged so far. (Assuming same PP)

If a grandparent takes a child to be baptized, with no knowledge of the parents or permission of the parents to engage in any religious activity at all, and the child says they want it, should the baptism occur?

You fundamentally misunderstand baptism. The parents would be present for the baptism, if a child chooses to be baptized.

I think maybe you haven’t been following this exchange.

You suppose 2 hypothetical scenarios:

grandma is regularly attending church with Larla w/o permission. (How would parents not know where their 7 year old is every Sunday morning?) If you are a parent and you don’t know where your kids is every Sunday, you suck.

Baptism in church is attending by family. Larla would have her parents in attendance during the baptism ceremony.

op posted Baptize? w/o details. We should have details from op.

In reality, only the most drug addicted, absent parents would not realize their child was attending church with MeeMaw and wanted to be baptized.

Is it not possible for a baptism to occur outside of a Sunday morning service?
Is it not possible for a parent to send their child to a grandparent’s for a weekend?

Is it not possible a clown will dance into your home and give you a free balloon? Yes, it’s possible.

So you are making up a scenario in which an imaginary child (DCUM’s precious Larla) goes to see GamGam for a single weekend and goes to a single Sunday service and is baptized?

Again- you fundamentally misunderstand baptism and are making situations up out of whole cloth.

Troll op is long gone.

Yes, I am absolutely making up a hypothetical. I am doing so to attempt to clarify the reasoning/stance of the PP who said that parental consent should not be required to baptize if the child consents.

I also think you may consider that your understanding of the meaning/rituals/requirements for baptism may be informed only by your own denomination/sect approach. There are many many groups that call themselves Christian and who engage in baptism.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone worry that their young grandkids are not baptized and taught in the church? Do you read bible stories to them? Baptize?

Don't do this.

I'm a parent who is raising my kids without religion and whose kids are not baptized. If my very Catholic in-laws did any of this, it would be the last time they saw their grandkids. Both DH and I would cut them off without hesitation. If my teenage or adult children want to talk about religion with you, that would be fine. While they are small, however, it's my decision. If you stepped over this line as a grandparent, you would be out.

But you still want their money when their dead, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone worry that their young grandkids are not baptized and taught in the church? Do you read bible stories to them? Baptize?

Don't do this.

I'm a parent who is raising my kids without religion and whose kids are not baptized. If my very Catholic in-laws did any of this, it would be the last time they saw their grandkids. Both DH and I would cut them off without hesitation. If my teenage or adult children want to talk about religion with you, that would be fine. While they are small, however, it's my decision. If you stepped over this line as a grandparent, you would be out.

But you still want their money when their dead, right?

But your very Catholic in-laws haven’t done any such thing.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

But you agree that this is an example of a group that baptized children without parental consent, right? Just want to be clear.

Does a parent need to consent if a child says that they have decided they wish to be baptized?

It’s a private Christian school, and I expect parents who pay to send their child to a private Christian school would be ok with their child deciding they want to be baptized.

The real mystery here is why do you care if a child attending a private Christian school decides he or she wants to be baptized. How/why do you feel so strongly about what these kids are choosing to do? Their religious choices are their own to make.

Frankly you come off creepy and stalker-ish.

All I am reacting to is the poster who asserted that baptism without parental consent does not happen by any group. It does. Agree? It appears you do from the above…and it appears that you condone it in certain circumstances. I take no position on that. Just trying to get clear on facts.
I take no position

If a child wishes to be baptized, and gives consent, I don’t believe the parents need to give consent. In fact, if a child decides they wish to be baptized and are prevented from being baptized because their parents disagree, I would argue the parents are not required to give consent.

So parental consent should not be required to baptize a child then?

Grandma can take 7yo Larla to her church to be baptized and as long as Larla says she wants it the officiant should do so?
If not at 7yo, what age works for you?

If a child is attending a Christian school, which the parents pay for them to attend, and a child consents to be baptized, yes.

If the parents allow Larla to accompany Grandma to church and Larla wishes to be baptized, that’s Larla’s decision.

Baptism is a choice for each individual, regardless of age. It doesn’t mean that you will be forced to attend church your entire life if you are baptized as a child. It doesn’t mean you can’t change your mind when you are older as to your religious beliefs. We can see The Satanic Temple charges a fee to “un-baptize” people.

I don’t see how you must be involved in any person’s choice at any age if they consent to baptism. Why do you feel you are involved in anyone’s choice to be baptized?

I’m a bit confused because you start with some conditional answers, but then do go on to say that it is an individual choice regardless of age.

If Larla does NOT attend a Christian school and her parents do NOT know that Grandma is taking her….should she be baptized if she says she wants it?

(An BTW I have said not a single thing about what I think should happen or who should be involved.)

Already established granny has the permission of parents to attend church with her grandchild. Do grandparents take kids to church without permission from the parents?

Op won’t respond with any details, so nobody knows op’s situation.

Where was it “established” that Granny had permission? We have been far afield from OP’s initial question for a long time anyway.

Can you answer the question posed above? You’ve obliged so far. (Assuming same PP)

If a grandparent takes a child to be baptized, with no knowledge of the parents or permission of the parents to engage in any religious activity at all, and the child says they want it, should the baptism occur?

You fundamentally misunderstand baptism. The parents would be present for the baptism, if a child chooses to be baptized.

I think maybe you haven’t been following this exchange.

You suppose 2 hypothetical scenarios:

grandma is regularly attending church with Larla w/o permission. (How would parents not know where their 7 year old is every Sunday morning?) If you are a parent and you don’t know where your kids is every Sunday, you suck.

Baptism in church is attending by family. Larla would have her parents in attendance during the baptism ceremony.

op posted Baptize? w/o details. We should have details from op.

In reality, only the most drug addicted, absent parents would not realize their child was attending church with MeeMaw and wanted to be baptized.

Is it not possible for a baptism to occur outside of a Sunday morning service?
Is it not possible for a parent to send their child to a grandparent’s for a weekend?

Is it not possible a clown will dance into your home and give you a free balloon? Yes, it’s possible.

So you are making up a scenario in which an imaginary child (DCUM’s precious Larla) goes to see GamGam for a single weekend and goes to a single Sunday service and is baptized?

Again- you fundamentally misunderstand baptism and are making situations up out of whole cloth.

Troll op is long gone.

Yes, I am absolutely making up a hypothetical. I am doing so to attempt to clarify the reasoning/stance of the PP who said that parental consent should not be required to baptize if the child consents.

I also think you may consider that your understanding of the meaning/rituals/requirements for baptism may be informed only by your own denomination/sect approach. There are many many groups that call themselves Christian and who engage in baptism.

Catholic baptism:

What Are the Requirements for Infant Baptisms?
Infant baptism is for children from birth until generally their 4th - 7th birthday.
All children who are baptized must have at least one godparent. See below for more information
The parents must intend to raise the child in the Catholic Faith
Infants must be generally baptized in the parish that at least one of their parent's attend. For Baptisms at a different church, shrine, or oratory, a permission letter from your pastor may be needed
The child's birth certificate should be available for presentation to the parish
The parent's marriage certificate should be presented to the parish. However, even for parents married outside of the Church, Baptism is not to be denied to the infant. If you are currently married outside of the Church, this is an ideal time to have your marriage blessed to rectify this. The process is rather simple. Contact your local parish to learn more on how to do this.
Each parent must also generally attend a Baptism Preparation Seminar.

What Are the Requirements for Non-Infant Child Baptisms?
Children who have reached the age of reason, which is generally around 7th grade, can no longer be baptized as infants. The Rite of Baptism is the same for everyone, but the process differs slightly. These children, since they have the knowledge of right and wrong, must generally take an RCIC (The Rite of Christian Initiation of Children) class to understand what the Church teaches.

General requirements for Christian Baptism:

When you have made the decision to become a Christian, then you may decide that baptism is right for you. Many people have their babies baptized within the first few weeks or months of life, but there are many who view it as a personal decision that should only be made as an adult. While things will vary between denominations and even between churches, there is a certain process most churches follow. While talking to your pastor or leader of your church might be the most helpful, here are some of the things you might expect when you have made the decision to be baptized.

Accept Jesus as Lord and Savior
In a Christian baptism, the first step is to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. As a Christian, you are stating you believe Jesus came down as the Son of God, died on a cross for our sins, and rose again three days later. Christians believe accepting Jesus is the only way to get into heaven. This is shown in the following Bible verses:

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
"Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'" John 14:6
"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 6:23
In order to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, most Christians agree that all you need to do is say a prayer asking to be forgiven for your sins and acknowledging that you accept him. You can do this on your own, with a friend, or with your church leader.

Talk to Your Pastor About Baptism
Once you have done this, you should talk to your pastor about how to go about being baptized. Churches do this in different ways. Sometimes, they will have special weeks designated to those who want to be baptized. Other churches will simply hold a baptism whenever there is a need. Speaking with your pastor and discussing the process is a helpful step in getting baptized.

Take Your Church's Classes
Your church may or may not have a class meant for those who are seeking baptism. If it offers them, you should take them. These classes may be required, and they can help give you a clearer picture of what it means to be baptized. It may also give you a chance to connect with others who wish to be baptized as well. If your church does not offer a class, you can do some research to discover more about the process and what it means for your life.

Invite Friends and Family
Getting baptized is a big deal, and it's something your family will likely want to attend. If you have people in your family who are not Christians, do not leave them out. Invite them, but don't expect them to show up. They may feel uncomfortable in a church setting, but hopefully they will be able to move past their insecurities and attend your baptism to support you.

Document Your Event
Ask someone to take pictures or video of you being baptized. It's an important occasion and something you will want to have a record of. You might consider making a scrapbook detailing your decision to be baptized and include steps about the process. Of course, this is not required but something that may be fun if you are someone who enjoys documenting special moments in life.

Being baptized is a major decision and something that shouldn't be taken lightly. Be sure to prepare yourself and get all of your questions answered so that you can be sure you are making the right decision.


When you have made the decision to become a Christian, then you may decide that baptism is right for you. Many people have their babies baptized within the first few weeks or months of life, but there are many who view it as a personal decision that should only be made as an adult. While things will vary between denominations and even between churches, there is a certain process most churches follow. While talking to your pastor or leader of your church might be the most helpful, here are some of the things you might expect when you have made the decision to be baptized.


I don’t know if the running theme that Grandma takes a child to church without notifying the child’s parents and then has the child baptized without notifying the parents exists in any other way except for the obsessive and religiously ignorant imagination of atheist and anti-theist trolls. As usual, these trolls post a non-specific inflammatory thread that is posted only to inspire hateful and hostile posts against Christians and Christianity.

Op, despite many days passing since posting, haa never answered a single question or given any input to their thread.

Again: if you don’t know that a family member is taking a child who can communicate with you to church, you are a crap parent. Supervising your child is your job. If your child is being taken to church without your consent (and not a single poster here has said they have experienced a Christian family member taking their child to church against their wishes) you simply tell that family member you find that behavior unacceptable and do not allow them to supervise your child.

A pp posted it’s possible for Grandma to take physical care of a grandchild for a single weekend and have the child baptized at a church. Most of not all Christian churches views baptism as the above general requirements illustrate: a family event with family participation, documented with photos, a small family and friend celebration possibly.

I don’t think the people posting in this thread is are knowledgeable about Christian baptism and enjoy painting themselves and others as being victimized by Christian family members, most notably their own mother. It seems that this thread is about people who don’t like their parents religion and don’t want their children to go to church with their grandparents…which is easily accomplished by supervising your own kid and declining invitations to attend church.

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“Infants must be generally baptized in the parish that at least one of their parent's attend. For Baptisms at a different church, shrine, or oratory, a permission letter from your pastor may be needed
The child's birth certificate should be available for presentation to the parish.”

This alone shows that at least one parent must be present at the baptism of a child, at least in the Catholic church. I don’t know of any pastor in non-Catholic churches that would baptize a child without at least one parent present. This thread is based on atheist and anti-theist obsessive-hysteria, and should be used as an example of ignorance and misinformation that at times dominates this forum.

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