Church Raised Adult Children who Reject their Religion and are Raising Kids Without Church

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Well, it was about 40 years ago. I don't recall which group this director and his staff were associated with. Not a mainstream religion if I recall correctly. It was a multidenomination camp. Now closed. The camp nurse told me that I am disabled because I'm not close enough to God. It was that kind of group.

Given that this is personal experience and decades ago, there are no citations.

40 years ago your parents sent you and your brother to a non-denominational camp and you are aggrieved that your already baptized brother was going to be baptized again?

Nope. Just giving an example. You're so sure it wouldn't happen... it did.

You have just a lovely day now.

One anecdote that's 40 years old. Hardly an epidemic of forced baptisms.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Well, it was about 40 years ago. I don't recall which group this director and his staff were associated with. Not a mainstream religion if I recall correctly. It was a multidenomination camp. Now closed. The camp nurse told me that I am disabled because I'm not close enough to God. It was that kind of group.

Given that this is personal experience and decades ago, there are no citations.

40 years ago your parents sent you and your brother to a non-denominational camp and you are aggrieved that your already baptized brother was going to be baptized again?

Nope. Just giving an example. You're so sure it wouldn't happen... it did.

You have just a lovely day now.

One anecdote that's 40 years old. Hardly an epidemic of forced baptisms.

Nobody said there was an epidemic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MYOFB, they got away from you and the religious insanity. Don't make them regret having you in their life at all.

NP. Yeah, that's not how it works for the vast majority of people who leave religion--they just drift away or they can't find belief or other mundane reasons.

Only a few atheists like you are ranting haters who spend their entire lives spewing vitriol on a mom's discussion board.

+1 agreed. But these are anti-theists, who not only don’t believe-they militantly want others to not believe.

and there are only a few ranting religious people here who don't just believe in God themselves, but think others should believe as well. It seems that most believing people, at least here on DCUM, are simply looking for a suitable church, or Bar/Bat Mitzvah gift or whatever. Just a few are militant.

The big give away is when a poster says "spewing vitriol". What a great image!

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Anonymous wrote:MYOFB, they got away from you and the religious insanity. Don't make them regret having you in their life at all.

NP. Yeah, that's not how it works for the vast majority of people who leave religion--they just drift away or they can't find belief or other mundane reasons.

Only a few atheists like you are ranting haters who spend their entire lives spewing vitriol on a mom's discussion board.

+1 agreed. But these are anti-theists, who not only don’t believe-they militantly want others to not believe.

Unlike some theists who militantly want others to believe. /Sarcasm

[Anonymous]

A lot of churches believe that believers should be 'saving' as many souls as possible by any means necessary. Free will really means lack of objection/rejection.

[Anonymous]

Little kids can't object.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Little kids can't object.

and can be sent to church by parents who don't believe themselves, just because it's societally expected. At least it used to be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Little kids can't object.

and can be sent to church by parents who don't believe themselves, just because it's societally expected. At least it used to be.

Or because parents think religion will give their kids a moral compass. As if believing in man in the sky who punishes bad people would make people behave.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MYOFB, they got away from you and the religious insanity. Don't make them regret having you in their life at all.

NP. Yeah, that's not how it works for the vast majority of people who leave religion--they just drift away or they can't find belief or other mundane reasons.

Only a few atheists like you are ranting haters who spend their entire lives spewing vitriol on a mom's discussion board.

+1 agreed. But these are anti-theists, who not only don’t believe-they militantly want others to not believe.

and there are only a few ranting religious people here who don't just believe in God themselves, but think others should believe as well. It seems that most believing people, at least here on DCUM, are simply looking for a suitable church, or Bar/Bat Mitzvah gift or whatever. Just a few are militant.

The big give away is when a poster says "spewing vitriol". What a great image!

What the what? Please quote a post that is trying to convert atheists. You can’t. But there are plenty of posts in this forum trashing believers and belief.

Meanwhile, what do you call the first post in this string besides “spewing vitriol”? In case you want to pretend it never happened, here’s the quote: “MYOFB, they got away from you and the religious insanity. ...”

You know all this is true. Do you just lie for a hobby?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MYOFB, they got away from you and the religious insanity. Don't make them regret having you in their life at all.

NP. Yeah, that's not how it works for the vast majority of people who leave religion--they just drift away or they can't find belief or other mundane reasons.

Only a few atheists like you are ranting haters who spend their entire lives spewing vitriol on a mom's discussion board.

+1 agreed. But these are anti-theists, who not only don’t believe-they militantly want others to not believe.

and there are only a few ranting religious people here who don't just believe in God themselves, but think others should believe as well. It seems that most believing people, at least here on DCUM, are simply looking for a suitable church, or Bar/Bat Mitzvah gift or whatever. Just a few are militant.

The big give away is when a poster says "spewing vitriol". What a great image!

What the what? Please quote a post that is trying to convert atheists. You can’t. But there are plenty of posts in this forum trashing believers and belief.

Meanwhile, what do you call the first post in this string besides “spewing vitriol”? In case you want to pretend it never happened, here’s the quote: “MYOFB, they got away from you and the religious insanity. ...”

You know all this is true. Do you just lie for a hobby?

Umm...I think you are picking a fight with your teammate.

Or are you saying that there is not a single poster in this forum who "think others should believe as well"?