Church Raised Adult Children who Reject their Religion and are Raising Kids Without Church

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

You'll quibble that this isn't proof it happened, but: https://apnews.com/article/2d6fc1d745f8db6042b4dbe99160ecaf

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1996-10-30-9610291632-story.html
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1996-09-18-9609171446-story.html
https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19930514&slug=1701153

The Orlando Sentinel new stories are only available to paying subscribers. I can’t read them.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

You'll quibble that this isn't proof it happened, but: https://apnews.com/article/2d6fc1d745f8db6042b4dbe99160ecaf

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1996-10-30-9610291632-story.html
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1996-09-18-9609171446-story.html
https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19930514&slug=1701153

The Orlando Sentinel new stories are only available to paying subscribers. I can’t read them.

OK?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

But you agree that this is an example of a group that baptized children without parental consent, right? Just want to be clear.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

What about the settlement agreement regarding allegations that a minor was baptized without parental consent? Just going to conclude it didn’t actually happen?

What exactly would meet your requirements?
Would we need an official organized religion publicizing or hat they do baptisms without parental consent? What types of denominations qualify?
But that wouldn’t work right, cuz saying they do it makes it nearly impossible to do it. And if they were any good at doing these covert baptisms the parents would never find out, right? And we couldn’t expect most families that did find themselves in that situation to somehow go public on some official record…What a puzzle.

Best to discount what evidence manages to be out there and blankety assert that no religious organization does it all. Sounds good.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

What about the settlement agreement regarding allegations that a minor was baptized without parental consent? Just going to conclude it didn’t actually happen?

What exactly would meet your requirements?
Would we need an official organized religion publicizing or hat they do baptisms without parental consent? What types of denominations qualify?
But that wouldn’t work right, cuz saying they do it makes it nearly impossible to do it. And if they were any good at doing these covert baptisms the parents would never find out, right? And we couldn’t expect most families that did find themselves in that situation to somehow go public on some official record…What a puzzle.

Best to discount what evidence manages to be out there and blankety assert that no religious organization does it all. Sounds good.

If you are referring to the Orlando Sentinel link, I can’t read a word about it because it’s only for subscribers. I don’t know what the story says, can’t comment on it, sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

What about the settlement agreement regarding allegations that a minor was baptized without parental consent? Just going to conclude it didn’t actually happen?

What exactly would meet your requirements?
Would we need an official organized religion publicizing or hat they do baptisms without parental consent? What types of denominations qualify?
But that wouldn’t work right, cuz saying they do it makes it nearly impossible to do it. And if they were any good at doing these covert baptisms the parents would never find out, right? And we couldn’t expect most families that did find themselves in that situation to somehow go public on some official record…What a puzzle.

Best to discount what evidence manages to be out there and blankety assert that no religious organization does it all. Sounds good.

If you are referring to the Orlando Sentinel link, I can’t read a word about it because it’s only for subscribers. I don’t know what the story says, can’t comment on it, sorry.

I’m referring to the apnews link above those two.

How about the rest of my questions?

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

But you agree that this is an example of a group that baptized children without parental consent, right? Just want to be clear.

Does a parent need to consent if a child says that they have decided they wish to be baptized?

It’s a private Christian school, and I expect parents who pay to send their child to a private Christian school would be ok with their child deciding they want to be baptized.

The real mystery here is why do you care if a child attending a private Christian school decides he or she wants to be baptized. How/why do you feel so strongly about what these kids are choosing to do? Their religious choices are their own to make.

Frankly you come off creepy and stalker-ish.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

But you agree that this is an example of a group that baptized children without parental consent, right? Just want to be clear.

Does a parent need to consent if a child says that they have decided they wish to be baptized?

It’s a private Christian school, and I expect parents who pay to send their child to a private Christian school would be ok with their child deciding they want to be baptized.

The real mystery here is why do you care if a child attending a private Christian school decides he or she wants to be baptized. How/why do you feel so strongly about what these kids are choosing to do? Their religious choices are their own to make.

Frankly you come off creepy and stalker-ish.

All I am reacting to is the poster who asserted that baptism without parental consent does not happen by any group. It does. Agree? It appears you do from the above…and it appears that you condone it in certain circumstances. I take no position on that. Just trying to get clear on facts.
I take no position

[Anonymous]

“The full immersion baptism traumatized the boy, causing anxiety and recurring nightmares about drowning, the lawsuit said.

“Although no settlement or verdict could undo the anguish their son suffered, the DeFibaughs are pleased with the outcome,” said American Atheist attorney Geoffrey Blackwell in a statement.

An attorney for Big Brothers Big Sisters said Friday that the lawsuit found no fault with the group. Attorneys for the boy’s big brother, the church and a minister declined to comment, citing the confidential settlement terms.“

I reject your premise that Big Brothers Big Sisters as an organization baptize kids w/o parental consent. This appears to be a disturbing and isolated incident.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“The full immersion baptism traumatized the boy, causing anxiety and recurring nightmares about drowning, the lawsuit said.

“Although no settlement or verdict could undo the anguish their son suffered, the DeFibaughs are pleased with the outcome,” said American Atheist attorney Geoffrey Blackwell in a statement.

An attorney for Big Brothers Big Sisters said Friday that the lawsuit found no fault with the group. Attorneys for the boy’s big brother, the church and a minister declined to comment, citing the confidential settlement terms.“

I reject your premise that Big Brothers Big Sisters as an organization baptize kids w/o parental consent. This appears to be a disturbing and isolated incident.

To be clear, what you need is written published confirmation that a formal organization chooses to as a routine matter baptize without parental consent?

See above as to why you and I both know that is not possible.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

But you agree that this is an example of a group that baptized children without parental consent, right? Just want to be clear.

Does a parent need to consent if a child says that they have decided they wish to be baptized?

It’s a private Christian school, and I expect parents who pay to send their child to a private Christian school would be ok with their child deciding they want to be baptized.

The real mystery here is why do you care if a child attending a private Christian school decides he or she wants to be baptized. How/why do you feel so strongly about what these kids are choosing to do? Their religious choices are their own to make.

Frankly you come off creepy and stalker-ish.

All I am reacting to is the poster who asserted that baptism without parental consent does not happen by any group. It does. Agree? It appears you do from the above…and it appears that you condone it in certain circumstances. I take no position on that. Just trying to get clear on facts.
I take no position

If a child wishes to be baptized, and gives consent, I don’t believe the parents need to give consent. In fact, if a child decides they wish to be baptized and are prevented from being baptized because their parents disagree, I would argue the parents are not required to give consent.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

But you agree that this is an example of a group that baptized children without parental consent, right? Just want to be clear.

Does a parent need to consent if a child says that they have decided they wish to be baptized?

It’s a private Christian school, and I expect parents who pay to send their child to a private Christian school would be ok with their child deciding they want to be baptized.

The real mystery here is why do you care if a child attending a private Christian school decides he or she wants to be baptized. How/why do you feel so strongly about what these kids are choosing to do? Their religious choices are their own to make.

Frankly you come off creepy and stalker-ish.

All I am reacting to is the poster who asserted that baptism without parental consent does not happen by any group. It does. Agree? It appears you do from the above…and it appears that you condone it in certain circumstances. I take no position on that. Just trying to get clear on facts.
I take no position

If a child wishes to be baptized, and gives consent, I don’t believe the parents need to give consent. In fact, if a child decides they wish to be baptized and are prevented from being baptized because their parents disagree, I would argue the parents are not required to give consent.

So parental consent should not be required to baptize a child then?

Grandma can take 7yo Larla to her church to be baptized and as long as Larla says she wants it the officiant should do so?
If not at 7yo, what age works for you?

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy

The poster I was responding to asked the following question: "What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory."

I gave links and citations to a group that baptized children without parental consent.

Are you moving the goalposts now?

two news stories from the Orlando Sentinel are subscription only.

The Northwood temple story is about a private Christian school who had scheduled a baptism event with consent from parents for some students, and other students CHOSE to be baptized and the majority of the parents were upset only because they were not there.

If a child chooses to be baptized, I don’t see a problem. Children are choosing to transition to another gender now without parental consent. Children can decide if they wish to be baptized, too.

Nobody at Northwood baptized a child without consent of the child.

But you agree that this is an example of a group that baptized children without parental consent, right? Just want to be clear.

Does a parent need to consent if a child says that they have decided they wish to be baptized?

It’s a private Christian school, and I expect parents who pay to send their child to a private Christian school would be ok with their child deciding they want to be baptized.

The real mystery here is why do you care if a child attending a private Christian school decides he or she wants to be baptized. How/why do you feel so strongly about what these kids are choosing to do? Their religious choices are their own to make.

Frankly you come off creepy and stalker-ish.

All I am reacting to is the poster who asserted that baptism without parental consent does not happen by any group. It does. Agree? It appears you do from the above…and it appears that you condone it in certain circumstances. I take no position on that. Just trying to get clear on facts.
I take no position

If a child wishes to be baptized, and gives consent, I don’t believe the parents need to give consent. In fact, if a child decides they wish to be baptized and are prevented from being baptized because their parents disagree, I would argue the parents are not required to give consent.

I don’t know if you are the poster I have been engaging with for a while, but if so, this was a big shift.
We went from discussing whether there even was a group that would baptize without parental consent to a claim that groups SHOULD baptize without parental consent.

Fascinating.