Capital Orange Parents - If you could do it all over again

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ +100

Just recall that a few years ago one of the heads of Capital moved his DD to Skywalkers when she didn't make Capital Blue. That should tell you something.


I totally get what you are saying here, and that may have been the key if it was owned and run the same way. However, after that happened, Gussie bought the team, and things have been running very differently since then. In a good way


Not true. Gussie bought the team BEFORE this happened, and she was actively running the club substantially ahead of that. Politics and money are hard in this space. And no accounting for how they are trying to steer the girls to Healthy Baller now that she's an active owner in that operation too.


You are wrong. Gussie did not own the club when the “22s were trying out (summer before their freshmen year) or when initial coaches for each ‘22 team were chosen. Gussie bought club about mid way thru the ‘22s freshman season, fired coaches and tried to fix what was ultimately unfixable with the ‘22 teams. Facts.


Your “facts” are not accurate. From its inception, CLC was run by a parent board. Gussie did not buy Capital; it was handed to her for free on a silver platter by the parent-run board, in violation of the by-laws. The 2022 coaches did not get fired when Gussie came on the scene at the end of the 22’s freshmen year. They quit and most families were quite upset about it. Gussie was remarkably hands off with the 22s, barely interested in them and not involved in their recruiting. Blue 22 was never very good as a team despite having some strong players; Orange 22 developed into a very strong team under their second head coach. Both teams college recruiting suffered significantly due to (1) Covid shutting down virtually all college camps, clinics and tournaments these girls summer before and entire junior year; (2) their college recruiting also suffered due to college players taking off the year that everything was online and no college sports were being played and the NCAA granting them another year of eligibility; and (3) Capital’s recruiting director was totally unprepared for recruiting to continue despite 1 and 2 and the players, especially the Orange team, suffered the consequences. Signed, Capital 22 parent

P. s. Once she had an ownership interest in Healthy Baller Gussie most definitely tried to get the 22s to go there. Weekly. For a long time.


Coach Johns DID purchase CLC. There were legal documents and reviews by all parties. There was a national search conducted and interviews conducted. So, the club was not 'handed' to her and most definitely not 'in violation of the bylaws'. I know because I was there as a parent board member - and there were only a handful of us. So, please do not spread lies as that is 100% what those are.

To your issue on recruiting, in fairness, '22 for all the clubs was hard for all of lacrosse. We had a once in a 100-years event like the pandemic. So, judging any club on one recruiting cycle is ridiculous. Most clubs - boys or girls - do not have a dedicated recruiting staff, as they simply rely on a reactive model with the parents carrying the bulk of the load. This is a very big deal. Is Capital perfect? No. But, for our metro area, they are without question the best available option to help your DD get to the collegiate level if that's truly in the cards whether you're talking CLC Blue or CLC Orange. The proof is in its commits or just pulling up the rosters of the top teams in our area or even nationally. Scores of Capital alums. It really is that simple. Does everyone land a home at the D1 home of their dreams? No, but Capital has a strong program, and their girls get committed. Signed, former Capital parent and former Capital board member
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Anonymous wrote:always take the A team. Let your daughter shine. Why play B? You must be truly materialistic to think that's worth it.


But metro, mc elite and yjma aren't A teams. Just because it is the only team the club has, doesn't make it an A level team. Pride and capital B teams are only B by name.



Agreed and good point. Depending on definition, Capital blue is really the only true A team in the area. I would put Pride Black Next and call them a B team. Capital Orange is may be a B too depending. The other area high school age travel teams are C and lower. To me, an A team is someone that can compete and hang with the top Maryland clubs (M&D, Hero's, Skywalkers). Just one person's opinion.


Pride Black does not hang with the Maryland clubs. Im not sure where you got your information.


The only year Pride field a true high school A team was the 2023 class. They consistently played in the top tournament brackets and top 5 schedules per USCL. I believe 3 or 4 players on that went in on to earn Player of the Year awards. They had the talent, but Pride completely dropped the ball on recruiting. Some players did commit to good D1 programs, but that was through their efforts not Pride. Pride’s poor handling of that talented class sealed their fate as a respectable high school program.
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Anonymous wrote:always take the A team. Let your daughter shine. Why play B? You must be truly materialistic to think that's worth it.


But metro, mc elite and yjma aren't A teams. Just because it is the only team the club has, doesn't make it an A level team. Pride and capital B teams are only B by name.



Agreed and good point. Depending on definition, Capital blue is really the only true A team in the area. I would put Pride Black Next and call them a B team. Capital Orange is may be a B too depending. The other area high school age travel teams are C and lower. To me, an A team is someone that can compete and hang with the top Maryland clubs (M&D, Hero's, Skywalkers). Just one person's opinion.


Pride Black does not hang with the Maryland clubs. Im not sure where you got your information.


The only year Pride field a true high school A team was the 2023 class. They consistently played in the top tournament brackets and top 5 schedules per USCL. I believe 3 or 4 players on that went in on to earn Player of the Year awards. They had the talent, but Pride completely dropped the ball on recruiting. Some players did commit to good D1 programs, but that was through their efforts not Pride. Pride’s poor handling of that talented class sealed their fate as a respectable high school program.


Again, why you don't judge a club by an individual year. Best to look at a three year band - your DD/DS, and then the years in front and behind. You can gauge real fast who is getting the love, where they are strong recruiting and then how are they investing in training and the tournaments you'll likely be invited to as a club. Do the due diligence not just where your DD/DS's friends play. Also, be honest with yourself if not your kid, do you have a shot at making the starting roster. If you don't - whether its a clubs A or B team - how can you possibly expect to make a college roster. Its harsh but better the hard talk now versus tears and lost dollars later.
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You should worry less about the sssas girls being mean and more about KJ herself being mean.
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Keep hearing this. How exactly is KJ so mean?
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Anonymous wrote:You should worry less about the sssas girls being mean and more about KJ herself being mean.


She’s been coaching for 30+ years. She’s not any meaner than any other coach dealing with teams of horomonal teens and their parents who think everyone deserves starting time.
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Anonymous wrote:Keep hearing this. How exactly is KJ so mean?


What is worse? Having a coach give you personal feedback - good or bad, or having a coach just ignore you and let you drift along and think you're the next Charlotte North or Izzy Scane?
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Anonymous wrote:Keep hearing this. How exactly is KJ so mean?


What is worse? Having a coach give you personal feedback - good or bad, or having a coach just ignore you and let you drift along and think you're the next Charlotte North or Izzy Scane?


Parents saying she’s mean are the ones who can’t handle their kids getting less than perfect feedback for their daughters playing skills
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Anonymous wrote:Keep hearing this. How exactly is KJ so mean?


What is worse? Having a coach give you personal feedback - good or bad, or having a coach just ignore you and let you drift along and think you're the next Charlotte North or Izzy Scane?


Parents saying she’s mean are the ones who can’t handle their kids getting less than perfect feedback for their daughters playing skills


This. She is tough, not mean. No one would be saying these things if the coach was a man.
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Anonymous wrote:Keep hearing this. How exactly is KJ so mean?


What is worse? Having a coach give you personal feedback - good or bad, or having a coach just ignore you and let you drift along and think you're the next Charlotte North or Izzy Scane?


Parents saying she’s mean are the ones who can’t handle their kids getting less than perfect feedback for their daughters playing skills


This. She is tough, not mean. No one would be saying these things if the coach was a man.


Not speaking specifically about Gussie, but man or woman I’d say the same thing regardless. So, what are you saying?
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Anonymous wrote:Keep hearing this. How exactly is KJ so mean?


What is worse? Having a coach give you personal feedback - good or bad, or having a coach just ignore you and let you drift along and think you're the next Charlotte North or Izzy Scane?


Parents saying she’s mean are the ones who can’t handle their kids getting less than perfect feedback for their daughters playing skills


This. She is tough, not mean. No one would be saying these things if the coach was a man.


Not speaking specifically about Gussie, but man or woman I’d say the same thing regardless. So, what are you saying?


I believe this was in reference to KJ. She prepares her girls for the next step. The head coaches at all the strong programs are similarly 'crazy' - look at Stone Ridge, St Paul's and McDonogh. Because you could easily argue coaches 'fail' their players when they don't prepare them for this next step.
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She only cares about the very top few players.
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Anonymous wrote:She only cares about the very top few players.


Name a top coach who doesn't focus on the top players......
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Anonymous wrote:She only cares about the very top few players.


That’s just not true. Kathy has strong relationships with many girls who aren’t top players. Kathy cares about character, attitude, toughness and work ethic just as much as top talent. Just because you and/or your daughter don’t like her doesn’t make her mean or a bad person.
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There’s nothing more fruitless than trying to establish if someone like a coacj is mean on an anonymous message board. That is a subjective interpretation. If someone says she is mean, then they are quickly attacked by someone saying your daughter sucks and you just can’t deal with the truth you loser. I guess that cuts both ways and the enablers and deniers can’t deal with the fact that their idol or meal ticket is a narcissistic hyper competitive person who cares about others only when It suits her own interests. Which one is right? Neither. Both. Humans are complex and relationships tricky. Perspective and context matter. if you want to know what’s what much better to talk directly with current and past players / parents AND the coach in a non public forum in order to make your own informed decision.
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