Capital Orange Parents - If you could do it all over again

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Anonymous wrote:There should be a lot of 27 orange movement. Mostly down. If not, something is wrong.

Did you mean down from blue to orange? Because down from orange means stars…

I can see a lot of swapping between Stars and Orange. Maybe a couple movements between Blue and Orange.

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Not going to happen. No way is Capital going to cut 🍊 girls. There will be some slight movement between blue and orange but nothing drastic.

[Anonymous]

It’s way easier to bump an orange girl down than a blue.

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Anonymous wrote:Not going to happen. No way is Capital going to cut 🍊 girls. There will be some slight movement between blue and orange but nothing drastic.

No one ever gets bumped from orange?

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Not this year blue is incredibly safe the orange team is woof

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Anonymous wrote:Not going to happen. No way is Capital going to cut 🍊 girls. There will be some slight movement between blue and orange but nothing drastic.

In the past a girl or two has been cut from Orange after freshman year. A couple of Blue moved down to Orange and 1 or 2 on Orange moved up to Blue. From what I've seen Capital won't keep an Orange player who doesn't look good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not going to happen. No way is Capital going to cut 🍊 girls. There will be some slight movement between blue and orange but nothing drastic.

Then why do they do tryouts in year 2? Is it so they have cover to swap a few blue and orange girls?

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Anonymous wrote:Not going to happen. No way is Capital going to cut 🍊 girls. There will be some slight movement between blue and orange but nothing drastic.

In the past a girl or two has been cut from Orange after freshman year. A couple of Blue moved down to Orange and 1 or 2 on Orange moved up to Blue. From what I've seen Capital won't keep an Orange player who doesn't look good.

As it should be. Both teams should always be looking to upgrade their talent. This is competitive travel sports.

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Several Orange got cut

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Anonymous wrote:Then explain why the recruiting for orange 25 was better than pride 25

They can't. It is sour grapes. Some people don't have realistic expectations for their fit.

Cap takes all of Pride’s good players. There is no one left to recruit. If Pride kept all their best kids, they would all go to top schools and Pride’s recruiting would best in class. Strategically, Cap has to take most of Pride’s kids. If Pride kept their kids and beat Capital, then they become obsolete.

Ok so why doesn’t Pride just keep their best players? Oh that’s right….

Please finish this thought for rest of us who don't understand. Why can't Pride hang on to their HS players? Is it the allure of Capital or recruiting probs at Pride? TIA

This is all rooted in the Pride 2023 class, which arguably had the best HS team in the area that year. That class with the exception of one player all chose to stay together, never even trying out for Capital, and trusting KM would live up to the recruiting promises made to players. Big mistake.

Pride’s recruiting efforts were green and poorly run with that class. The club lost their recruiting director, who went on to be the Head Coach at American. She was great and helpful, but the players were on their first high school year with her. But she had a plan for each player. The former GMU coach who took over simply did not care, had no plan for individual players, and seemed to have a general lack of interest in her job with Pride. KM did nothing to address the issue until it was too late for that class.

The 2023s who have gone on to play in college from that team did all the work on their own. Being the first true recruiting class for Pride they had no history to fall back on, no former recruits from the club to follow, and really no college coach connections to rely on from the club. As a result of all of this the class struggled with little guidance and know-how. The results were not good, and these fell squarely on KM and Pride.

This class was supposed to be KMs springboard for her HS program. She had a large group of the areas best players that played in the top brackets, had a top 5 strength of schedule, and played the best teams close. KM simply failed to capitalize on their talent. She could have built a great HS brand and experience on this class, but she threw it all away by not delivering on why most play club - to get recruited. The following Pride classes took notice and KM has not had a class like the 2023s willing to stay together since. Expectedly and wisely so, they have gone to back to Capital who does have a strong history of getting players recruited.

All true except for the fact that 2023 Capital Blue beat Pride 2023 the only time they ever played.

Yeah, that 23 Pride team was like ranked 25th. They didn't get recruited where they wanted because they weren't good enough. That's for top 5 and top 10 teams. But the myth grows larger seemingly every year with Pride 23.

It’s funny how this topic gets some Capital parents’ panties in a wad, but we’ll play. That ‘23 class of girls pretty much stayed together for both Pride and what would become Capital from like 7th grade on. The only time that core Capital group beat Pride was the last year the teams played. That year the Pride team had inconsistent participation because girls had either quit playing lacrosse because of the recruiting fiasco or were off taking recruiting visits well past when they should have been. For some reason Capital treated that game as their Super Bowl, but understandable so since that class wanted to beat Pride at least once.

That Pride HS team reached a higher ranking than Capital, at one point being ranked 8th as the players started their high school years. Their final ranking was 24th and Capital 15th. Pride played the second hardest schedule that year only to YJ Thorn. The goal differential for both Pride and Capital was within +/- 1, so hardly indicative of the Pride players not being good against the best competition.

That final year there were no less than 3 area players of the year on Pride. None for Capital. Guess they weren’t good enough, so they should be thankful they had a good Capital recruiting experience, which is what this thread is about.

If it makes you feel better saying the girls were not good enough then go for it. Not many will buy what you’re selling. That team was loaded with talent and Pride did them no favors. Thankfully, that group had players that worked hard on their own and now play for top 25 programs, the ACC, service academies and high academics. Pride can’t take credit for any of this. Put those same girls in Capitals recruiting system and all would have easily been recruited.

Capital ‘23 Blue had nothing to prove the one time they played Pride because those Capital players were already fully recruited by that point. Capital was coasting when Pride was still fighting to get girls committed, yet Capital still won.

Re: Super Bowl reference, you have it twisted. Pride viewed the Stars (and later Capital) matches as some sort of holy war. It was really bizarre. Pride clearly wanted to try and prove some sort of point at those games. The screaming and yelling from Pride parents and coaches — it was weird but made for great conversation on the Capital sidelines.

The PP points fingers but places no blame on the parents for the team’s underwhelming recruiting performance. A small number of them convinced others on that Pride team to stay together. Promises by the club owner only fit the narrative they wanted to write. They were well aware the club had no previous recruiting history; they went in eyes open to an uncertain future.

I wish the PP hadn’t tried to compare Pride’s player recognitions to Capital’s because s/he won’t like the results. Capital Blue 23 had far more regional and national awards: more All-American / All-Academic recognitions than Pride (18-4); more All-Met selections (13-5); more First Team All-Met selections (3-1); more back-to-back All-Met selections (4-1); more All-American senior game selections (1-0); and more players named to Inside Lacrosse’s 2023 Power 100 (4-0).

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Anonymous wrote:Then explain why the recruiting for orange 25 was better than pride 25

They can't. It is sour grapes. Some people don't have realistic expectations for their fit.

Cap takes all of Pride’s good players. There is no one left to recruit. If Pride kept all their best kids, they would all go to top schools and Pride’s recruiting would best in class. Strategically, Cap has to take most of Pride’s kids. If Pride kept their kids and beat Capital, then they become obsolete.

Ok so why doesn’t Pride just keep their best players? Oh that’s right….

Please finish this thought for rest of us who don't understand. Why can't Pride hang on to their HS players? Is it the allure of Capital or recruiting probs at Pride? TIA

This is all rooted in the Pride 2023 class, which arguably had the best HS team in the area that year. That class with the exception of one player all chose to stay together, never even trying out for Capital, and trusting KM would live up to the recruiting promises made to players. Big mistake.

Pride’s recruiting efforts were green and poorly run with that class. The club lost their recruiting director, who went on to be the Head Coach at American. She was great and helpful, but the players were on their first high school year with her. But she had a plan for each player. The former GMU coach who took over simply did not care, had no plan for individual players, and seemed to have a general lack of interest in her job with Pride. KM did nothing to address the issue until it was too late for that class.

The 2023s who have gone on to play in college from that team did all the work on their own. Being the first true recruiting class for Pride they had no history to fall back on, no former recruits from the club to follow, and really no college coach connections to rely on from the club. As a result of all of this the class struggled with little guidance and know-how. The results were not good, and these fell squarely on KM and Pride.

This class was supposed to be KMs springboard for her HS program. She had a large group of the areas best players that played in the top brackets, had a top 5 strength of schedule, and played the best teams close. KM simply failed to capitalize on their talent. She could have built a great HS brand and experience on this class, but she threw it all away by not delivering on why most play club - to get recruited. The following Pride classes took notice and KM has not had a class like the 2023s willing to stay together since. Expectedly and wisely so, they have gone to back to Capital who does have a strong history of getting players recruited.

All true except for the fact that 2023 Capital Blue beat Pride 2023 the only time they ever played.

Yeah, that 23 Pride team was like ranked 25th. They didn't get recruited where they wanted because they weren't good enough. That's for top 5 and top 10 teams. But the myth grows larger seemingly every year with Pride 23.

It’s funny how this topic gets some Capital parents’ panties in a wad, but we’ll play. That ‘23 class of girls pretty much stayed together for both Pride and what would become Capital from like 7th grade on. The only time that core Capital group beat Pride was the last year the teams played. That year the Pride team had inconsistent participation because girls had either quit playing lacrosse because of the recruiting fiasco or were off taking recruiting visits well past when they should have been. For some reason Capital treated that game as their Super Bowl, but understandable so since that class wanted to beat Pride at least once.

That Pride HS team reached a higher ranking than Capital, at one point being ranked 8th as the players started their high school years. Their final ranking was 24th and Capital 15th. Pride played the second hardest schedule that year only to YJ Thorn. The goal differential for both Pride and Capital was within +/- 1, so hardly indicative of the Pride players not being good against the best competition.

That final year there were no less than 3 area players of the year on Pride. None for Capital. Guess they weren’t good enough, so they should be thankful they had a good Capital recruiting experience, which is what this thread is about.

If it makes you feel better saying the girls were not good enough then go for it. Not many will buy what you’re selling. That team was loaded with talent and Pride did them no favors. Thankfully, that group had players that worked hard on their own and now play for top 25 programs, the ACC, service academies and high academics. Pride can’t take credit for any of this. Put those same girls in Capitals recruiting system and all would have easily been recruited.

Capital ‘23 Blue had nothing to prove the one time they played Pride because those Capital players were already fully recruited by that point. Capital was coasting when Pride was still fighting to get girls committed, yet Capital still won.

Re: Super Bowl reference, you have it twisted. Pride viewed the Stars (and later Capital) matches as some sort of holy war. It was really bizarre. Pride clearly wanted to try and prove some sort of point at those games. The screaming and yelling from Pride parents and coaches — it was weird but made for great conversation on the Capital sidelines.

The PP points fingers but places no blame on the parents for the team’s underwhelming recruiting performance. A small number of them convinced others on that Pride team to stay together. Promises by the club owner only fit the narrative they wanted to write. They were well aware the club had no previous recruiting history; they went in eyes open to an uncertain future.

I wish the PP hadn’t tried to compare Pride’s player recognitions to Capital’s because s/he won’t like the results. Capital Blue 23 had far more regional and national awards: more All-American / All-Academic recognitions than Pride (18-4); more All-Met selections (13-5); more First Team All-Met selections (3-1); more back-to-back All-Met selections (4-1); more All-American senior game selections (1-0); and more players named to Inside Lacrosse’s 2023 Power 100 (4-0).

How much time did you spend looking up and counting all those awards?

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Anonymous wrote:Several Orange got cut

How many, and what club(s) did their replacements come from?

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Anonymous wrote:Then explain why the recruiting for orange 25 was better than pride 25

They can't. It is sour grapes. Some people don't have realistic expectations for their fit.

Cap takes all of Pride’s good players. There is no one left to recruit. If Pride kept all their best kids, they would all go to top schools and Pride’s recruiting would best in class. Strategically, Cap has to take most of Pride’s kids. If Pride kept their kids and beat Capital, then they become obsolete.

Ok so why doesn’t Pride just keep their best players? Oh that’s right….

Please finish this thought for rest of us who don't understand. Why can't Pride hang on to their HS players? Is it the allure of Capital or recruiting probs at Pride? TIA

This is all rooted in the Pride 2023 class, which arguably had the best HS team in the area that year. That class with the exception of one player all chose to stay together, never even trying out for Capital, and trusting KM would live up to the recruiting promises made to players. Big mistake.

Pride’s recruiting efforts were green and poorly run with that class. The club lost their recruiting director, who went on to be the Head Coach at American. She was great and helpful, but the players were on their first high school year with her. But she had a plan for each player. The former GMU coach who took over simply did not care, had no plan for individual players, and seemed to have a general lack of interest in her job with Pride. KM did nothing to address the issue until it was too late for that class.

The 2023s who have gone on to play in college from that team did all the work on their own. Being the first true recruiting class for Pride they had no history to fall back on, no former recruits from the club to follow, and really no college coach connections to rely on from the club. As a result of all of this the class struggled with little guidance and know-how. The results were not good, and these fell squarely on KM and Pride.

This class was supposed to be KMs springboard for her HS program. She had a large group of the areas best players that played in the top brackets, had a top 5 strength of schedule, and played the best teams close. KM simply failed to capitalize on their talent. She could have built a great HS brand and experience on this class, but she threw it all away by not delivering on why most play club - to get recruited. The following Pride classes took notice and KM has not had a class like the 2023s willing to stay together since. Expectedly and wisely so, they have gone to back to Capital who does have a strong history of getting players recruited.

All true except for the fact that 2023 Capital Blue beat Pride 2023 the only time they ever played.

Yeah, that 23 Pride team was like ranked 25th. They didn't get recruited where they wanted because they weren't good enough. That's for top 5 and top 10 teams. But the myth grows larger seemingly every year with Pride 23.

It’s funny how this topic gets some Capital parents’ panties in a wad, but we’ll play. That ‘23 class of girls pretty much stayed together for both Pride and what would become Capital from like 7th grade on. The only time that core Capital group beat Pride was the last year the teams played. That year the Pride team had inconsistent participation because girls had either quit playing lacrosse because of the recruiting fiasco or were off taking recruiting visits well past when they should have been. For some reason Capital treated that game as their Super Bowl, but understandable so since that class wanted to beat Pride at least once.

That Pride HS team reached a higher ranking than Capital, at one point being ranked 8th as the players started their high school years. Their final ranking was 24th and Capital 15th. Pride played the second hardest schedule that year only to YJ Thorn. The goal differential for both Pride and Capital was within +/- 1, so hardly indicative of the Pride players not being good against the best competition.

That final year there were no less than 3 area players of the year on Pride. None for Capital. Guess they weren’t good enough, so they should be thankful they had a good Capital recruiting experience, which is what this thread is about.

If it makes you feel better saying the girls were not good enough then go for it. Not many will buy what you’re selling. That team was loaded with talent and Pride did them no favors. Thankfully, that group had players that worked hard on their own and now play for top 25 programs, the ACC, service academies and high academics. Pride can’t take credit for any of this. Put those same girls in Capitals recruiting system and all would have easily been recruited.

Capital ‘23 Blue had nothing to prove the one time they played Pride because those Capital players were already fully recruited by that point. Capital was coasting when Pride was still fighting to get girls committed, yet Capital still won.

Re: Super Bowl reference, you have it twisted. Pride viewed the Stars (and later Capital) matches as some sort of holy war. It was really bizarre. Pride clearly wanted to try and prove some sort of point at those games. The screaming and yelling from Pride parents and coaches — it was weird but made for great conversation on the Capital sidelines.

The PP points fingers but places no blame on the parents for the team’s underwhelming recruiting performance. A small number of them convinced others on that Pride team to stay together. Promises by the club owner only fit the narrative they wanted to write. They were well aware the club had no previous recruiting history; they went in eyes open to an uncertain future.

I wish the PP hadn’t tried to compare Pride’s player recognitions to Capital’s because s/he won’t like the results. Capital Blue 23 had far more regional and national awards: more All-American / All-Academic recognitions than Pride (18-4); more All-Met selections (13-5); more First Team All-Met selections (3-1); more back-to-back All-Met selections (4-1); more All-American senior game selections (1-0); and more players named to Inside Lacrosse’s 2023 Power 100 (4-0).

How much time did you spend looking up and counting all those awards?

Incredible response to the Pride parent though....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Then explain why the recruiting for orange 25 was better than pride 25

They can't. It is sour grapes. Some people don't have realistic expectations for their fit.

Cap takes all of Pride’s good players. There is no one left to recruit. If Pride kept all their best kids, they would all go to top schools and Pride’s recruiting would best in class. Strategically, Cap has to take most of Pride’s kids. If Pride kept their kids and beat Capital, then they become obsolete.

Ok so why doesn’t Pride just keep their best players? Oh that’s right….

Please finish this thought for rest of us who don't understand. Why can't Pride hang on to their HS players? Is it the allure of Capital or recruiting probs at Pride? TIA

This is all rooted in the Pride 2023 class, which arguably had the best HS team in the area that year. That class with the exception of one player all chose to stay together, never even trying out for Capital, and trusting KM would live up to the recruiting promises made to players. Big mistake.

Pride’s recruiting efforts were green and poorly run with that class. The club lost their recruiting director, who went on to be the Head Coach at American. She was great and helpful, but the players were on their first high school year with her. But she had a plan for each player. The former GMU coach who took over simply did not care, had no plan for individual players, and seemed to have a general lack of interest in her job with Pride. KM did nothing to address the issue until it was too late for that class.

The 2023s who have gone on to play in college from that team did all the work on their own. Being the first true recruiting class for Pride they had no history to fall back on, no former recruits from the club to follow, and really no college coach connections to rely on from the club. As a result of all of this the class struggled with little guidance and know-how. The results were not good, and these fell squarely on KM and Pride.

This class was supposed to be KMs springboard for her HS program. She had a large group of the areas best players that played in the top brackets, had a top 5 strength of schedule, and played the best teams close. KM simply failed to capitalize on their talent. She could have built a great HS brand and experience on this class, but she threw it all away by not delivering on why most play club - to get recruited. The following Pride classes took notice and KM has not had a class like the 2023s willing to stay together since. Expectedly and wisely so, they have gone to back to Capital who does have a strong history of getting players recruited.

All true except for the fact that 2023 Capital Blue beat Pride 2023 the only time they ever played.

Yeah, that 23 Pride team was like ranked 25th. They didn't get recruited where they wanted because they weren't good enough. That's for top 5 and top 10 teams. But the myth grows larger seemingly every year with Pride 23.

It’s funny how this topic gets some Capital parents’ panties in a wad, but we’ll play. That ‘23 class of girls pretty much stayed together for both Pride and what would become Capital from like 7th grade on. The only time that core Capital group beat Pride was the last year the teams played. That year the Pride team had inconsistent participation because girls had either quit playing lacrosse because of the recruiting fiasco or were off taking recruiting visits well past when they should have been. For some reason Capital treated that game as their Super Bowl, but understandable so since that class wanted to beat Pride at least once.

That Pride HS team reached a higher ranking than Capital, at one point being ranked 8th as the players started their high school years. Their final ranking was 24th and Capital 15th. Pride played the second hardest schedule that year only to YJ Thorn. The goal differential for both Pride and Capital was within +/- 1, so hardly indicative of the Pride players not being good against the best competition.

That final year there were no less than 3 area players of the year on Pride. None for Capital. Guess they weren’t good enough, so they should be thankful they had a good Capital recruiting experience, which is what this thread is about.

If it makes you feel better saying the girls were not good enough then go for it. Not many will buy what you’re selling. That team was loaded with talent and Pride did them no favors. Thankfully, that group had players that worked hard on their own and now play for top 25 programs, the ACC, service academies and high academics. Pride can’t take credit for any of this. Put those same girls in Capitals recruiting system and all would have easily been recruited.

Capital ‘23 Blue had nothing to prove the one time they played Pride because those Capital players were already fully recruited by that point. Capital was coasting when Pride was still fighting to get girls committed, yet Capital still won.

Re: Super Bowl reference, you have it twisted. Pride viewed the Stars (and later Capital) matches as some sort of holy war. It was really bizarre. Pride clearly wanted to try and prove some sort of point at those games. The screaming and yelling from Pride parents and coaches — it was weird but made for great conversation on the Capital sidelines.

The PP points fingers but places no blame on the parents for the team’s underwhelming recruiting performance. A small number of them convinced others on that Pride team to stay together. Promises by the club owner only fit the narrative they wanted to write. They were well aware the club had no previous recruiting history; they went in eyes open to an uncertain future.

I wish the PP hadn’t tried to compare Pride’s player recognitions to Capital’s because s/he won’t like the results. Capital Blue 23 had far more regional and national awards: more All-American / All-Academic recognitions than Pride (18-4); more All-Met selections (13-5); more First Team All-Met selections (3-1); more back-to-back All-Met selections (4-1); more All-American senior game selections (1-0); and more players named to Inside Lacrosse’s 2023 Power 100 (4-0).

How much time did you spend looking up and counting all those awards?

Incredible response to the Pride parent though....

I'm going to turn off my computer and go look in the mirror. I fear that I have seen my future and I have to try to change it. At the rate we are going, I am destined to be arguing (with intensive research, facts, data, and passion) about which club high school lacrosse club was better in junior year--when my daughter is a sophomore in college!!?? I have looked into the abyss, and will try to step back now.

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Anyone moved from Orange to Blue?

If 3 of the 4 new Orange players came from Stars, where did the other player come from?

Anyone else cut from Orange other than the one player who had no notice? They had to lose four from Orange in order to add four, right?