Capital Orange Parents - If you could do it all over again

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Anonymous wrote:Then explain why the recruiting for orange 25 was better than pride 25

They can't. It is sour grapes. Some people don't have realistic expectations for their fit.

Cap takes all of Pride’s good players. There is no one left to recruit. If Pride kept all their best kids, they would all go to top schools and Pride’s recruiting would best in class. Strategically, Cap has to take most of Pride’s kids. If Pride kept their kids and beat Capital, then they become obsolete.

Ok so why doesn’t Pride just keep their best players? Oh that’s right….

Please finish this thought for rest of us who don't understand. Why can't Pride hang on to their HS players? Is it the allure of Capital or recruiting probs at Pride? TIA

This is all rooted in the Pride 2023 class, which arguably had the best HS team in the area that year. That class with the exception of one player all chose to stay together, never even trying out for Capital, and trusting KM would live up to the recruiting promises made to players. Big mistake.

Pride’s recruiting efforts were green and poorly run with that class. The club lost their recruiting director, who went on to be the Head Coach at American. She was great and helpful, but the players were on their first high school year with her. But she had a plan for each player. The former GMU coach who took over simply did not care, had no plan for individual players, and seemed to have a general lack of interest in her job with Pride. KM did nothing to address the issue until it was too late for that class.

The 2023s who have gone on to play in college from that team did all the work on their own. Being the first true recruiting class for Pride they had no history to fall back on, no former recruits from the club to follow, and really no college coach connections to rely on from the club. As a result of all of this the class struggled with little guidance and know-how. The results were not good, and these fell squarely on KM and Pride.

This class was supposed to be KMs springboard for her HS program. She had a large group of the areas best players that played in the top brackets, had a top 5 strength of schedule, and played the best teams close. KM simply failed to capitalize on their talent. She could have built a great HS brand and experience on this class, but she threw it all away by not delivering on why most play club - to get recruited. The following Pride classes took notice and KM has not had a class like the 2023s willing to stay together since. Expectedly and wisely so, they have gone to back to Capital who does have a strong history of getting players recruited.

All true except for the fact that 2023 Capital Blue beat Pride 2023 the only time they ever played.

Yeah, that 23 Pride team was like ranked 25th. They didn't get recruited where they wanted because they weren't good enough. That's for top 5 and top 10 teams. But the myth grows larger seemingly every year with Pride 23.

It’s funny how this topic gets some Capital parents’ panties in a wad, but we’ll play. That ‘23 class of girls pretty much stayed together for both Pride and what would become Capital from like 7th grade on. The only time that core Capital group beat Pride was the last year the teams played. That year the Pride team had inconsistent participation because girls had either quit playing lacrosse because of the recruiting fiasco or were off taking recruiting visits well past when they should have been. For some reason Capital treated that game as their Super Bowl, but understandable so since that class wanted to beat Pride at least once.

That Pride HS team reached a higher ranking than Capital, at one point being ranked 8th as the players started their high school years. Their final ranking was 24th and Capital 15th. Pride played the second hardest schedule that year only to YJ Thorn. The goal differential for both Pride and Capital was within +/- 1, so hardly indicative of the Pride players not being good against the best competition.

That final year there were no less than 3 area players of the year on Pride. None for Capital. Guess they weren’t good enough, so they should be thankful they had a good Capital recruiting experience, which is what this thread is about.

If it makes you feel better saying the girls were not good enough then go for it. Not many will buy what you’re selling. That team was loaded with talent and Pride did them no favors. Thankfully, that group had players that worked hard on their own and now play for top 25 programs, the ACC, service academies and high academics. Pride can’t take credit for any of this. Put those same girls in Capitals recruiting system and all would have easily been recruited.

Capital ‘23 Blue had nothing to prove the one time they played Pride because those Capital players were already fully recruited by that point. Capital was coasting when Pride was still fighting to get girls committed, yet Capital still won.

Re: Super Bowl reference, you have it twisted. Pride viewed the Stars (and later Capital) matches as some sort of holy war. It was really bizarre. Pride clearly wanted to try and prove some sort of point at those games. The screaming and yelling from Pride parents and coaches — it was weird but made for great conversation on the Capital sidelines.

The PP points fingers but places no blame on the parents for the team’s underwhelming recruiting performance. A small number of them convinced others on that Pride team to stay together. Promises by the club owner only fit the narrative they wanted to write. They were well aware the club had no previous recruiting history; they went in eyes open to an uncertain future.

I wish the PP hadn’t tried to compare Pride’s player recognitions to Capital’s because s/he won’t like the results. Capital Blue 23 had far more regional and national awards: more All-American / All-Academic recognitions than Pride (18-4); more All-Met selections (13-5); more First Team All-Met selections (3-1); more back-to-back All-Met selections (4-1); more All-American senior game selections (1-0); and more players named to Inside Lacrosse’s 2023 Power 100 (4-0).

why are you like this? Its obsessive and these girls are now rising college sophomores.

Also - 'back to back All Met Selections' is a not a stat. Its dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:Then explain why the recruiting for orange 25 was better than pride 25

They can't. It is sour grapes. Some people don't have realistic expectations for their fit.

Cap takes all of Pride’s good players. There is no one left to recruit. If Pride kept all their best kids, they would all go to top schools and Pride’s recruiting would best in class. Strategically, Cap has to take most of Pride’s kids. If Pride kept their kids and beat Capital, then they become obsolete.

Ok so why doesn’t Pride just keep their best players? Oh that’s right….

Please finish this thought for rest of us who don't understand. Why can't Pride hang on to their HS players? Is it the allure of Capital or recruiting probs at Pride? TIA

This is all rooted in the Pride 2023 class, which arguably had the best HS team in the area that year. That class with the exception of one player all chose to stay together, never even trying out for Capital, and trusting KM would live up to the recruiting promises made to players. Big mistake.

Pride’s recruiting efforts were green and poorly run with that class. The club lost their recruiting director, who went on to be the Head Coach at American. She was great and helpful, but the players were on their first high school year with her. But she had a plan for each player. The former GMU coach who took over simply did not care, had no plan for individual players, and seemed to have a general lack of interest in her job with Pride. KM did nothing to address the issue until it was too late for that class.

The 2023s who have gone on to play in college from that team did all the work on their own. Being the first true recruiting class for Pride they had no history to fall back on, no former recruits from the club to follow, and really no college coach connections to rely on from the club. As a result of all of this the class struggled with little guidance and know-how. The results were not good, and these fell squarely on KM and Pride.

This class was supposed to be KMs springboard for her HS program. She had a large group of the areas best players that played in the top brackets, had a top 5 strength of schedule, and played the best teams close. KM simply failed to capitalize on their talent. She could have built a great HS brand and experience on this class, but she threw it all away by not delivering on why most play club - to get recruited. The following Pride classes took notice and KM has not had a class like the 2023s willing to stay together since. Expectedly and wisely so, they have gone to back to Capital who does have a strong history of getting players recruited.

All true except for the fact that 2023 Capital Blue beat Pride 2023 the only time they ever played.

Yeah, that 23 Pride team was like ranked 25th. They didn't get recruited where they wanted because they weren't good enough. That's for top 5 and top 10 teams. But the myth grows larger seemingly every year with Pride 23.

It’s funny how this topic gets some Capital parents’ panties in a wad, but we’ll play. That ‘23 class of girls pretty much stayed together for both Pride and what would become Capital from like 7th grade on. The only time that core Capital group beat Pride was the last year the teams played. That year the Pride team had inconsistent participation because girls had either quit playing lacrosse because of the recruiting fiasco or were off taking recruiting visits well past when they should have been. For some reason Capital treated that game as their Super Bowl, but understandable so since that class wanted to beat Pride at least once.

That Pride HS team reached a higher ranking than Capital, at one point being ranked 8th as the players started their high school years. Their final ranking was 24th and Capital 15th. Pride played the second hardest schedule that year only to YJ Thorn. The goal differential for both Pride and Capital was within +/- 1, so hardly indicative of the Pride players not being good against the best competition.

That final year there were no less than 3 area players of the year on Pride. None for Capital. Guess they weren’t good enough, so they should be thankful they had a good Capital recruiting experience, which is what this thread is about.

If it makes you feel better saying the girls were not good enough then go for it. Not many will buy what you’re selling. That team was loaded with talent and Pride did them no favors. Thankfully, that group had players that worked hard on their own and now play for top 25 programs, the ACC, service academies and high academics. Pride can’t take credit for any of this. Put those same girls in Capitals recruiting system and all would have easily been recruited.

Capital ‘23 Blue had nothing to prove the one time they played Pride because those Capital players were already fully recruited by that point. Capital was coasting when Pride was still fighting to get girls committed, yet Capital still won.

Re: Super Bowl reference, you have it twisted. Pride viewed the Stars (and later Capital) matches as some sort of holy war. It was really bizarre. Pride clearly wanted to try and prove some sort of point at those games. The screaming and yelling from Pride parents and coaches — it was weird but made for great conversation on the Capital sidelines.

The PP points fingers but places no blame on the parents for the team’s underwhelming recruiting performance. A small number of them convinced others on that Pride team to stay together. Promises by the club owner only fit the narrative they wanted to write. They were well aware the club had no previous recruiting history; they went in eyes open to an uncertain future.

I wish the PP hadn’t tried to compare Pride’s player recognitions to Capital’s because s/he won’t like the results. Capital Blue 23 had far more regional and national awards: more All-American / All-Academic recognitions than Pride (18-4); more All-Met selections (13-5); more First Team All-Met selections (3-1); more back-to-back All-Met selections (4-1); more All-American senior game selections (1-0); and more players named to Inside Lacrosse’s 2023 Power 100 (4-0).

why are you like this? Its obsessive and these girls are now rising college sophomores.

Also - 'back to back All Met Selections' is a not a stat. Its dumb.

Why is the PP’s multi-paragraph response warmly received but the rebuttal, factually supported, berated?

The back-to-back All-Met selection is a stat, as it shows consistent, high-level performance recognized by the Washington Post. It’s a “two-time all-star” regional recognition.

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Anonymous wrote:Then explain why the recruiting for orange 25 was better than pride 25

They can't. It is sour grapes. Some people don't have realistic expectations for their fit.

Cap takes all of Pride’s good players. There is no one left to recruit. If Pride kept all their best kids, they would all go to top schools and Pride’s recruiting would best in class. Strategically, Cap has to take most of Pride’s kids. If Pride kept their kids and beat Capital, then they become obsolete.

Ok so why doesn’t Pride just keep their best players? Oh that’s right….

Please finish this thought for rest of us who don't understand. Why can't Pride hang on to their HS players? Is it the allure of Capital or recruiting probs at Pride? TIA

This is all rooted in the Pride 2023 class, which arguably had the best HS team in the area that year. That class with the exception of one player all chose to stay together, never even trying out for Capital, and trusting KM would live up to the recruiting promises made to players. Big mistake.

Pride’s recruiting efforts were green and poorly run with that class. The club lost their recruiting director, who went on to be the Head Coach at American. She was great and helpful, but the players were on their first high school year with her. But she had a plan for each player. The former GMU coach who took over simply did not care, had no plan for individual players, and seemed to have a general lack of interest in her job with Pride. KM did nothing to address the issue until it was too late for that class.

The 2023s who have gone on to play in college from that team did all the work on their own. Being the first true recruiting class for Pride they had no history to fall back on, no former recruits from the club to follow, and really no college coach connections to rely on from the club. As a result of all of this the class struggled with little guidance and know-how. The results were not good, and these fell squarely on KM and Pride.

This class was supposed to be KMs springboard for her HS program. She had a large group of the areas best players that played in the top brackets, had a top 5 strength of schedule, and played the best teams close. KM simply failed to capitalize on their talent. She could have built a great HS brand and experience on this class, but she threw it all away by not delivering on why most play club - to get recruited. The following Pride classes took notice and KM has not had a class like the 2023s willing to stay together since. Expectedly and wisely so, they have gone to back to Capital who does have a strong history of getting players recruited.

All true except for the fact that 2023 Capital Blue beat Pride 2023 the only time they ever played.

Yeah, that 23 Pride team was like ranked 25th. They didn't get recruited where they wanted because they weren't good enough. That's for top 5 and top 10 teams. But the myth grows larger seemingly every year with Pride 23.

It’s funny how this topic gets some Capital parents’ panties in a wad, but we’ll play. That ‘23 class of girls pretty much stayed together for both Pride and what would become Capital from like 7th grade on. The only time that core Capital group beat Pride was the last year the teams played. That year the Pride team had inconsistent participation because girls had either quit playing lacrosse because of the recruiting fiasco or were off taking recruiting visits well past when they should have been. For some reason Capital treated that game as their Super Bowl, but understandable so since that class wanted to beat Pride at least once.

That Pride HS team reached a higher ranking than Capital, at one point being ranked 8th as the players started their high school years. Their final ranking was 24th and Capital 15th. Pride played the second hardest schedule that year only to YJ Thorn. The goal differential for both Pride and Capital was within +/- 1, so hardly indicative of the Pride players not being good against the best competition.

That final year there were no less than 3 area players of the year on Pride. None for Capital. Guess they weren’t good enough, so they should be thankful they had a good Capital recruiting experience, which is what this thread is about.

If it makes you feel better saying the girls were not good enough then go for it. Not many will buy what you’re selling. That team was loaded with talent and Pride did them no favors. Thankfully, that group had players that worked hard on their own and now play for top 25 programs, the ACC, service academies and high academics. Pride can’t take credit for any of this. Put those same girls in Capitals recruiting system and all would have easily been recruited.

Capital ‘23 Blue had nothing to prove the one time they played Pride because those Capital players were already fully recruited by that point. Capital was coasting when Pride was still fighting to get girls committed, yet Capital still won.

Re: Super Bowl reference, you have it twisted. Pride viewed the Stars (and later Capital) matches as some sort of holy war. It was really bizarre. Pride clearly wanted to try and prove some sort of point at those games. The screaming and yelling from Pride parents and coaches — it was weird but made for great conversation on the Capital sidelines.

The PP points fingers but places no blame on the parents for the team’s underwhelming recruiting performance. A small number of them convinced others on that Pride team to stay together. Promises by the club owner only fit the narrative they wanted to write. They were well aware the club had no previous recruiting history; they went in eyes open to an uncertain future.

I wish the PP hadn’t tried to compare Pride’s player recognitions to Capital’s because s/he won’t like the results. Capital Blue 23 had far more regional and national awards: more All-American / All-Academic recognitions than Pride (18-4); more All-Met selections (13-5); more First Team All-Met selections (3-1); more back-to-back All-Met selections (4-1); more All-American senior game selections (1-0); and more players named to Inside Lacrosse’s 2023 Power 100 (4-0).

why are you like this? Its obsessive and these girls are now rising college sophomores.

Also - 'back to back All Met Selections' is a not a stat. Its dumb.

Why is the PP’s multi-paragraph response warmly received but the rebuttal, factually supported, berated?

The back-to-back All-Met selection is a stat, as it shows consistent, high-level performance recognized by the Washington Post. It’s a “two-time all-star” regional recognition.

Capital Parents: "We're so non-plussed about this Pride thing."

Also Capital Parents: spends three hours to put out a research paper to show how obsessive they actually are.

The need for 2023 Capital parents to 'win' this debate is great theater. And I suspect we'll continue to see it here in these pages for years to come because they can't let it go.

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Anonymous wrote:Then explain why the recruiting for orange 25 was better than pride 25

They can't. It is sour grapes. Some people don't have realistic expectations for their fit.

Cap takes all of Pride’s good players. There is no one left to recruit. If Pride kept all their best kids, they would all go to top schools and Pride’s recruiting would best in class. Strategically, Cap has to take most of Pride’s kids. If Pride kept their kids and beat Capital, then they become obsolete.

Ok so why doesn’t Pride just keep their best players? Oh that’s right….

Please finish this thought for rest of us who don't understand. Why can't Pride hang on to their HS players? Is it the allure of Capital or recruiting probs at Pride? TIA

This is all rooted in the Pride 2023 class, which arguably had the best HS team in the area that year. That class with the exception of one player all chose to stay together, never even trying out for Capital, and trusting KM would live up to the recruiting promises made to players. Big mistake.

Pride’s recruiting efforts were green and poorly run with that class. The club lost their recruiting director, who went on to be the Head Coach at American. She was great and helpful, but the players were on their first high school year with her. But she had a plan for each player. The former GMU coach who took over simply did not care, had no plan for individual players, and seemed to have a general lack of interest in her job with Pride. KM did nothing to address the issue until it was too late for that class.

The 2023s who have gone on to play in college from that team did all the work on their own. Being the first true recruiting class for Pride they had no history to fall back on, no former recruits from the club to follow, and really no college coach connections to rely on from the club. As a result of all of this the class struggled with little guidance and know-how. The results were not good, and these fell squarely on KM and Pride.

This class was supposed to be KMs springboard for her HS program. She had a large group of the areas best players that played in the top brackets, had a top 5 strength of schedule, and played the best teams close. KM simply failed to capitalize on their talent. She could have built a great HS brand and experience on this class, but she threw it all away by not delivering on why most play club - to get recruited. The following Pride classes took notice and KM has not had a class like the 2023s willing to stay together since. Expectedly and wisely so, they have gone to back to Capital who does have a strong history of getting players recruited.

All true except for the fact that 2023 Capital Blue beat Pride 2023 the only time they ever played.

Yeah, that 23 Pride team was like ranked 25th. They didn't get recruited where they wanted because they weren't good enough. That's for top 5 and top 10 teams. But the myth grows larger seemingly every year with Pride 23.

It’s funny how this topic gets some Capital parents’ panties in a wad, but we’ll play. That ‘23 class of girls pretty much stayed together for both Pride and what would become Capital from like 7th grade on. The only time that core Capital group beat Pride was the last year the teams played. That year the Pride team had inconsistent participation because girls had either quit playing lacrosse because of the recruiting fiasco or were off taking recruiting visits well past when they should have been. For some reason Capital treated that game as their Super Bowl, but understandable so since that class wanted to beat Pride at least once.

That Pride HS team reached a higher ranking than Capital, at one point being ranked 8th as the players started their high school years. Their final ranking was 24th and Capital 15th. Pride played the second hardest schedule that year only to YJ Thorn. The goal differential for both Pride and Capital was within +/- 1, so hardly indicative of the Pride players not being good against the best competition.

That final year there were no less than 3 area players of the year on Pride. None for Capital. Guess they weren’t good enough, so they should be thankful they had a good Capital recruiting experience, which is what this thread is about.

If it makes you feel better saying the girls were not good enough then go for it. Not many will buy what you’re selling. That team was loaded with talent and Pride did them no favors. Thankfully, that group had players that worked hard on their own and now play for top 25 programs, the ACC, service academies and high academics. Pride can’t take credit for any of this. Put those same girls in Capitals recruiting system and all would have easily been recruited.

Capital ‘23 Blue had nothing to prove the one time they played Pride because those Capital players were already fully recruited by that point. Capital was coasting when Pride was still fighting to get girls committed, yet Capital still won.

Re: Super Bowl reference, you have it twisted. Pride viewed the Stars (and later Capital) matches as some sort of holy war. It was really bizarre. Pride clearly wanted to try and prove some sort of point at those games. The screaming and yelling from Pride parents and coaches — it was weird but made for great conversation on the Capital sidelines.

The PP points fingers but places no blame on the parents for the team’s underwhelming recruiting performance. A small number of them convinced others on that Pride team to stay together. Promises by the club owner only fit the narrative they wanted to write. They were well aware the club had no previous recruiting history; they went in eyes open to an uncertain future.

I wish the PP hadn’t tried to compare Pride’s player recognitions to Capital’s because s/he won’t like the results. Capital Blue 23 had far more regional and national awards: more All-American / All-Academic recognitions than Pride (18-4); more All-Met selections (13-5); more First Team All-Met selections (3-1); more back-to-back All-Met selections (4-1); more All-American senior game selections (1-0); and more players named to Inside Lacrosse’s 2023 Power 100 (4-0).

why are you like this? Its obsessive and these girls are now rising college sophomores.

Also - 'back to back All Met Selections' is a not a stat. Its dumb.

Why is the PP’s multi-paragraph response warmly received but the rebuttal, factually supported, berated?

The back-to-back All-Met selection is a stat, as it shows consistent, high-level performance recognized by the Washington Post. It’s a “two-time all-star” regional recognition.

Capital Parents: "We're so non-plussed about this Pride thing."

Also Capital Parents: spends three hours to put out a research paper to show how obsessive they actually are.

The need for 2023 Capital parents to 'win' this debate is great theater. And I suspect we'll continue to see it here in these pages for years to come because they can't let it go.

Pride parent: “We’ve done nothing to fuel this”

Also Pride parent: posts a four-paragraph screed, claims Capital 23 players weren’t “good enough,” takes umbrage when publicly challenged, deflects when facts discredit their opinions, and mocks those who do a simple Google search to set the record straight.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone moved from Orange to Blue?

If 3 of the 4 new Orange players came from Stars, where did the other player come from?

Anyone else cut from Orange other than the one player who had no notice? They had to lose four from Orange in order to add four, right?

Anyone 27s moved from Orange to Blue?

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Besides goalie which positions are getting the new players on Orange?

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Anonymous wrote:Then explain why the recruiting for orange 25 was better than pride 25

They can't. It is sour grapes. Some people don't have realistic expectations for their fit.

Cap takes all of Pride’s good players. There is no one left to recruit. If Pride kept all their best kids, they would all go to top schools and Pride’s recruiting would best in class. Strategically, Cap has to take most of Pride’s kids. If Pride kept their kids and beat Capital, then they become obsolete.

Ok so why doesn’t Pride just keep their best players? Oh that’s right….

Please finish this thought for rest of us who don't understand. Why can't Pride hang on to their HS players? Is it the allure of Capital or recruiting probs at Pride? TIA

This is all rooted in the Pride 2023 class, which arguably had the best HS team in the area that year. That class with the exception of one player all chose to stay together, never even trying out for Capital, and trusting KM would live up to the recruiting promises made to players. Big mistake.

Pride’s recruiting efforts were green and poorly run with that class. The club lost their recruiting director, who went on to be the Head Coach at American. She was great and helpful, but the players were on their first high school year with her. But she had a plan for each player. The former GMU coach who took over simply did not care, had no plan for individual players, and seemed to have a general lack of interest in her job with Pride. KM did nothing to address the issue until it was too late for that class.

The 2023s who have gone on to play in college from that team did all the work on their own. Being the first true recruiting class for Pride they had no history to fall back on, no former recruits from the club to follow, and really no college coach connections to rely on from the club. As a result of all of this the class struggled with little guidance and know-how. The results were not good, and these fell squarely on KM and Pride.

This class was supposed to be KMs springboard for her HS program. She had a large group of the areas best players that played in the top brackets, had a top 5 strength of schedule, and played the best teams close. KM simply failed to capitalize on their talent. She could have built a great HS brand and experience on this class, but she threw it all away by not delivering on why most play club - to get recruited. The following Pride classes took notice and KM has not had a class like the 2023s willing to stay together since. Expectedly and wisely so, they have gone to back to Capital who does have a strong history of getting players recruited.

All true except for the fact that 2023 Capital Blue beat Pride 2023 the only time they ever played.

Yeah, that 23 Pride team was like ranked 25th. They didn't get recruited where they wanted because they weren't good enough. That's for top 5 and top 10 teams. But the myth grows larger seemingly every year with Pride 23.

It’s funny how this topic gets some Capital parents’ panties in a wad, but we’ll play. That ‘23 class of girls pretty much stayed together for both Pride and what would become Capital from like 7th grade on. The only time that core Capital group beat Pride was the last year the teams played. That year the Pride team had inconsistent participation because girls had either quit playing lacrosse because of the recruiting fiasco or were off taking recruiting visits well past when they should have been. For some reason Capital treated that game as their Super Bowl, but understandable so since that class wanted to beat Pride at least once.

That Pride HS team reached a higher ranking than Capital, at one point being ranked 8th as the players started their high school years. Their final ranking was 24th and Capital 15th. Pride played the second hardest schedule that year only to YJ Thorn. The goal differential for both Pride and Capital was within +/- 1, so hardly indicative of the Pride players not being good against the best competition.

That final year there were no less than 3 area players of the year on Pride. None for Capital. Guess they weren’t good enough, so they should be thankful they had a good Capital recruiting experience, which is what this thread is about.

If it makes you feel better saying the girls were not good enough then go for it. Not many will buy what you’re selling. That team was loaded with talent and Pride did them no favors. Thankfully, that group had players that worked hard on their own and now play for top 25 programs, the ACC, service academies and high academics. Pride can’t take credit for any of this. Put those same girls in Capitals recruiting system and all would have easily been recruited.

Capital ‘23 Blue had nothing to prove the one time they played Pride because those Capital players were already fully recruited by that point. Capital was coasting when Pride was still fighting to get girls committed, yet Capital still won.

Re: Super Bowl reference, you have it twisted. Pride viewed the Stars (and later Capital) matches as some sort of holy war. It was really bizarre. Pride clearly wanted to try and prove some sort of point at those games. The screaming and yelling from Pride parents and coaches — it was weird but made for great conversation on the Capital sidelines.

The PP points fingers but places no blame on the parents for the team’s underwhelming recruiting performance. A small number of them convinced others on that Pride team to stay together. Promises by the club owner only fit the narrative they wanted to write. They were well aware the club had no previous recruiting history; they went in eyes open to an uncertain future.

I wish the PP hadn’t tried to compare Pride’s player recognitions to Capital’s because s/he won’t like the results. Capital Blue 23 had far more regional and national awards: more All-American / All-Academic recognitions than Pride (18-4); more All-Met selections (13-5); more First Team All-Met selections (3-1); more back-to-back All-Met selections (4-1); more All-American senior game selections (1-0); and more players named to Inside Lacrosse’s 2023 Power 100 (4-0).

why are you like this? Its obsessive and these girls are now rising college sophomores.

Also - 'back to back All Met Selections' is a not a stat. Its dumb.

Why is the PP’s multi-paragraph response warmly received but the rebuttal, factually supported, berated?

The back-to-back All-Met selection is a stat, as it shows consistent, high-level performance recognized by the Washington Post. It’s a “two-time all-star” regional recognition.

Capital Parents: "We're so non-plussed about this Pride thing."

Also Capital Parents: spends three hours to put out a research paper to show how obsessive they actually are.

The need for 2023 Capital parents to 'win' this debate is great theater. And I suspect we'll continue to see it here in these pages for years to come because they can't let it go.

Pride parent: “We’ve done nothing to fuel this”

Also Pride parent: posts a four-paragraph screed, claims Capital 23 players weren’t “good enough,” takes umbrage when publicly challenged, deflects when facts discredit their opinions, and mocks those who do a simple Google search to set the record straight.

You have a reading comprehension problem. The 'not good enough' reference was from a Capital parent who said PRIDE was not good enough to get recruited where they wanted Go back and look at the post the 'screed' responded to. So you're even starting from the wrong place.

Opinion (not fact): We we're on cruise control. We didn't even play hard.
Opinion (not fact): Holy wars for Pride. We were just drinking our mimosas.
As for your stats: it took you hours if they're even to be believed.

Honestly, I have no idea how you reconcile the 'we didn't care attitude' with the amount of page space you take up defending yourself THREE YEARS later.

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Anonymous wrote:Then explain why the recruiting for orange 25 was better than pride 25

They can't. It is sour grapes. Some people don't have realistic expectations for their fit.

Cap takes all of Pride’s good players. There is no one left to recruit. If Pride kept all their best kids, they would all go to top schools and Pride’s recruiting would best in class. Strategically, Cap has to take most of Pride’s kids. If Pride kept their kids and beat Capital, then they become obsolete.

Ok so why doesn’t Pride just keep their best players? Oh that’s right….

Please finish this thought for rest of us who don't understand. Why can't Pride hang on to their HS players? Is it the allure of Capital or recruiting probs at Pride? TIA

This is all rooted in the Pride 2023 class, which arguably had the best HS team in the area that year. That class with the exception of one player all chose to stay together, never even trying out for Capital, and trusting KM would live up to the recruiting promises made to players. Big mistake.

Pride’s recruiting efforts were green and poorly run with that class. The club lost their recruiting director, who went on to be the Head Coach at American. She was great and helpful, but the players were on their first high school year with her. But she had a plan for each player. The former GMU coach who took over simply did not care, had no plan for individual players, and seemed to have a general lack of interest in her job with Pride. KM did nothing to address the issue until it was too late for that class.

The 2023s who have gone on to play in college from that team did all the work on their own. Being the first true recruiting class for Pride they had no history to fall back on, no former recruits from the club to follow, and really no college coach connections to rely on from the club. As a result of all of this the class struggled with little guidance and know-how. The results were not good, and these fell squarely on KM and Pride.

This class was supposed to be KMs springboard for her HS program. She had a large group of the areas best players that played in the top brackets, had a top 5 strength of schedule, and played the best teams close. KM simply failed to capitalize on their talent. She could have built a great HS brand and experience on this class, but she threw it all away by not delivering on why most play club - to get recruited. The following Pride classes took notice and KM has not had a class like the 2023s willing to stay together since. Expectedly and wisely so, they have gone to back to Capital who does have a strong history of getting players recruited.

All true except for the fact that 2023 Capital Blue beat Pride 2023 the only time they ever played.

Yeah, that 23 Pride team was like ranked 25th. They didn't get recruited where they wanted because they weren't good enough. That's for top 5 and top 10 teams. But the myth grows larger seemingly every year with Pride 23.

It’s funny how this topic gets some Capital parents’ panties in a wad, but we’ll play. That ‘23 class of girls pretty much stayed together for both Pride and what would become Capital from like 7th grade on. The only time that core Capital group beat Pride was the last year the teams played. That year the Pride team had inconsistent participation because girls had either quit playing lacrosse because of the recruiting fiasco or were off taking recruiting visits well past when they should have been. For some reason Capital treated that game as their Super Bowl, but understandable so since that class wanted to beat Pride at least once.

That Pride HS team reached a higher ranking than Capital, at one point being ranked 8th as the players started their high school years. Their final ranking was 24th and Capital 15th. Pride played the second hardest schedule that year only to YJ Thorn. The goal differential for both Pride and Capital was within +/- 1, so hardly indicative of the Pride players not being good against the best competition.

That final year there were no less than 3 area players of the year on Pride. None for Capital. Guess they weren’t good enough, so they should be thankful they had a good Capital recruiting experience, which is what this thread is about.

If it makes you feel better saying the girls were not good enough then go for it. Not many will buy what you’re selling. That team was loaded with talent and Pride did them no favors. Thankfully, that group had players that worked hard on their own and now play for top 25 programs, the ACC, service academies and high academics. Pride can’t take credit for any of this. Put those same girls in Capitals recruiting system and all would have easily been recruited.

Capital ‘23 Blue had nothing to prove the one time they played Pride because those Capital players were already fully recruited by that point. Capital was coasting when Pride was still fighting to get girls committed, yet Capital still won.

Re: Super Bowl reference, you have it twisted. Pride viewed the Stars (and later Capital) matches as some sort of holy war. It was really bizarre. Pride clearly wanted to try and prove some sort of point at those games. The screaming and yelling from Pride parents and coaches — it was weird but made for great conversation on the Capital sidelines.

The PP points fingers but places no blame on the parents for the team’s underwhelming recruiting performance. A small number of them convinced others on that Pride team to stay together. Promises by the club owner only fit the narrative they wanted to write. They were well aware the club had no previous recruiting history; they went in eyes open to an uncertain future.

I wish the PP hadn’t tried to compare Pride’s player recognitions to Capital’s because s/he won’t like the results. Capital Blue 23 had far more regional and national awards: more All-American / All-Academic recognitions than Pride (18-4); more All-Met selections (13-5); more First Team All-Met selections (3-1); more back-to-back All-Met selections (4-1); more All-American senior game selections (1-0); and more players named to Inside Lacrosse’s 2023 Power 100 (4-0).

why are you like this? Its obsessive and these girls are now rising college sophomores.

Also - 'back to back All Met Selections' is a not a stat. Its dumb.

Why is the PP’s multi-paragraph response warmly received but the rebuttal, factually supported, berated?

The back-to-back All-Met selection is a stat, as it shows consistent, high-level performance recognized by the Washington Post. It’s a “two-time all-star” regional recognition.

Capital Parents: "We're so non-plussed about this Pride thing."

Also Capital Parents: spends three hours to put out a research paper to show how obsessive they actually are.

The need for 2023 Capital parents to 'win' this debate is great theater. And I suspect we'll continue to see it here in these pages for years to come because they can't let it go.

Pride parent: “We’ve done nothing to fuel this”

Also Pride parent: posts a four-paragraph screed, claims Capital 23 players weren’t “good enough,” takes umbrage when publicly challenged, deflects when facts discredit their opinions, and mocks those who do a simple Google search to set the record straight.

You have a reading comprehension problem. The 'not good enough' reference was from a Capital parent who said PRIDE was not good enough to get recruited where they wanted Go back and look at the post the 'screed' responded to. So you're even starting from the wrong place.

Opinion (not fact): We we're on cruise control. We didn't even play hard.
Opinion (not fact): Holy wars for Pride. We were just drinking our mimosas.
As for your stats: it took you hours if they're even to be believed.

Honestly, I have no idea how you reconcile the 'we didn't care attitude' with the amount of page space you take up defending yourself THREE YEARS later.

Both sides lose this argument. I can’t believe you’re still arguing about which girls travel team that played its last game years ago was better. How have you not moved on by now?

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Anonymous wrote:Then explain why the recruiting for orange 25 was better than pride 25

They can't. It is sour grapes. Some people don't have realistic expectations for their fit.

Cap takes all of Pride’s good players. There is no one left to recruit. If Pride kept all their best kids, they would all go to top schools and Pride’s recruiting would best in class. Strategically, Cap has to take most of Pride’s kids. If Pride kept their kids and beat Capital, then they become obsolete.

Ok so why doesn’t Pride just keep their best players? Oh that’s right….

Please finish this thought for rest of us who don't understand. Why can't Pride hang on to their HS players? Is it the allure of Capital or recruiting probs at Pride? TIA

This is all rooted in the Pride 2023 class, which arguably had the best HS team in the area that year. That class with the exception of one player all chose to stay together, never even trying out for Capital, and trusting KM would live up to the recruiting promises made to players. Big mistake.

Pride’s recruiting efforts were green and poorly run with that class. The club lost their recruiting director, who went on to be the Head Coach at American. She was great and helpful, but the players were on their first high school year with her. But she had a plan for each player. The former GMU coach who took over simply did not care, had no plan for individual players, and seemed to have a general lack of interest in her job with Pride. KM did nothing to address the issue until it was too late for that class.

The 2023s who have gone on to play in college from that team did all the work on their own. Being the first true recruiting class for Pride they had no history to fall back on, no former recruits from the club to follow, and really no college coach connections to rely on from the club. As a result of all of this the class struggled with little guidance and know-how. The results were not good, and these fell squarely on KM and Pride.

This class was supposed to be KMs springboard for her HS program. She had a large group of the areas best players that played in the top brackets, had a top 5 strength of schedule, and played the best teams close. KM simply failed to capitalize on their talent. She could have built a great HS brand and experience on this class, but she threw it all away by not delivering on why most play club - to get recruited. The following Pride classes took notice and KM has not had a class like the 2023s willing to stay together since. Expectedly and wisely so, they have gone to back to Capital who does have a strong history of getting players recruited.

All true except for the fact that 2023 Capital Blue beat Pride 2023 the only time they ever played.

Yeah, that 23 Pride team was like ranked 25th. They didn't get recruited where they wanted because they weren't good enough. That's for top 5 and top 10 teams. But the myth grows larger seemingly every year with Pride 23.

It’s funny how this topic gets some Capital parents’ panties in a wad, but we’ll play. That ‘23 class of girls pretty much stayed together for both Pride and what would become Capital from like 7th grade on. The only time that core Capital group beat Pride was the last year the teams played. That year the Pride team had inconsistent participation because girls had either quit playing lacrosse because of the recruiting fiasco or were off taking recruiting visits well past when they should have been. For some reason Capital treated that game as their Super Bowl, but understandable so since that class wanted to beat Pride at least once.

That Pride HS team reached a higher ranking than Capital, at one point being ranked 8th as the players started their high school years. Their final ranking was 24th and Capital 15th. Pride played the second hardest schedule that year only to YJ Thorn. The goal differential for both Pride and Capital was within +/- 1, so hardly indicative of the Pride players not being good against the best competition.

That final year there were no less than 3 area players of the year on Pride. None for Capital. Guess they weren’t good enough, so they should be thankful they had a good Capital recruiting experience, which is what this thread is about.

If it makes you feel better saying the girls were not good enough then go for it. Not many will buy what you’re selling. That team was loaded with talent and Pride did them no favors. Thankfully, that group had players that worked hard on their own and now play for top 25 programs, the ACC, service academies and high academics. Pride can’t take credit for any of this. Put those same girls in Capitals recruiting system and all would have easily been recruited.

Capital ‘23 Blue had nothing to prove the one time they played Pride because those Capital players were already fully recruited by that point. Capital was coasting when Pride was still fighting to get girls committed, yet Capital still won.

Re: Super Bowl reference, you have it twisted. Pride viewed the Stars (and later Capital) matches as some sort of holy war. It was really bizarre. Pride clearly wanted to try and prove some sort of point at those games. The screaming and yelling from Pride parents and coaches — it was weird but made for great conversation on the Capital sidelines.

The PP points fingers but places no blame on the parents for the team’s underwhelming recruiting performance. A small number of them convinced others on that Pride team to stay together. Promises by the club owner only fit the narrative they wanted to write. They were well aware the club had no previous recruiting history; they went in eyes open to an uncertain future.

I wish the PP hadn’t tried to compare Pride’s player recognitions to Capital’s because s/he won’t like the results. Capital Blue 23 had far more regional and national awards: more All-American / All-Academic recognitions than Pride (18-4); more All-Met selections (13-5); more First Team All-Met selections (3-1); more back-to-back All-Met selections (4-1); more All-American senior game selections (1-0); and more players named to Inside Lacrosse’s 2023 Power 100 (4-0).

why are you like this? Its obsessive and these girls are now rising college sophomores.

Also - 'back to back All Met Selections' is a not a stat. Its dumb.

Why is the PP’s multi-paragraph response warmly received but the rebuttal, factually supported, berated?

The back-to-back All-Met selection is a stat, as it shows consistent, high-level performance recognized by the Washington Post. It’s a “two-time all-star” regional recognition.

Capital Parents: "We're so non-plussed about this Pride thing."

Also Capital Parents: spends three hours to put out a research paper to show how obsessive they actually are.

The need for 2023 Capital parents to 'win' this debate is great theater. And I suspect we'll continue to see it here in these pages for years to come because they can't let it go.

Pride parent: “We’ve done nothing to fuel this”

Also Pride parent: posts a four-paragraph screed, claims Capital 23 players weren’t “good enough,” takes umbrage when publicly challenged, deflects when facts discredit their opinions, and mocks those who do a simple Google search to set the record straight.

You have a reading comprehension problem. The 'not good enough' reference was from a Capital parent who said PRIDE was not good enough to get recruited where they wanted Go back and look at the post the 'screed' responded to. So you're even starting from the wrong place.

Opinion (not fact): We we're on cruise control. We didn't even play hard.
Opinion (not fact): Holy wars for Pride. We were just drinking our mimosas.
As for your stats: it took you hours if they're even to be believed.

Honestly, I have no idea how you reconcile the 'we didn't care attitude' with the amount of page space you take up defending yourself THREE YEARS later.

A four paragraph response to a two-line comment pointing out Pride’s #25 ranking takes … a special kind.
Only to be overshadowed by the completely unhinged response above. Holy cow.

I wish I had video of the Pride sideline behavior at those Pride / Stars games. Cringe-town

The research might have taken you hours but it took me 20 minutes (on a DC 100 degree Sunday afternoon). Simple cross reference, “find my” page searches. Easy as pie. You’ve proven the need for such sober, fact-based analysis because you’ve offered little in any of your responses.

You also know the research is accurate: by touting the 3 “area” (state) awards Pride received, you’re well aware of Pride’s All American and All Met stats, too. If they were wrong, you would haven’t contested them.

You can’t change the past, but you don’t have to dwell on it! Enjoyed the (mostly) good-natured sparring. Have a nice night.

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Anonymous wrote:Then explain why the recruiting for orange 25 was better than pride 25

They can't. It is sour grapes. Some people don't have realistic expectations for their fit.

Cap takes all of Pride’s good players. There is no one left to recruit. If Pride kept all their best kids, they would all go to top schools and Pride’s recruiting would best in class. Strategically, Cap has to take most of Pride’s kids. If Pride kept their kids and beat Capital, then they become obsolete.

Ok so why doesn’t Pride just keep their best players? Oh that’s right….

Please finish this thought for rest of us who don't understand. Why can't Pride hang on to their HS players? Is it the allure of Capital or recruiting probs at Pride? TIA

This is all rooted in the Pride 2023 class, which arguably had the best HS team in the area that year. That class with the exception of one player all chose to stay together, never even trying out for Capital, and trusting KM would live up to the recruiting promises made to players. Big mistake.

Pride’s recruiting efforts were green and poorly run with that class. The club lost their recruiting director, who went on to be the Head Coach at American. She was great and helpful, but the players were on their first high school year with her. But she had a plan for each player. The former GMU coach who took over simply did not care, had no plan for individual players, and seemed to have a general lack of interest in her job with Pride. KM did nothing to address the issue until it was too late for that class.

The 2023s who have gone on to play in college from that team did all the work on their own. Being the first true recruiting class for Pride they had no history to fall back on, no former recruits from the club to follow, and really no college coach connections to rely on from the club. As a result of all of this the class struggled with little guidance and know-how. The results were not good, and these fell squarely on KM and Pride.

This class was supposed to be KMs springboard for her HS program. She had a large group of the areas best players that played in the top brackets, had a top 5 strength of schedule, and played the best teams close. KM simply failed to capitalize on their talent. She could have built a great HS brand and experience on this class, but she threw it all away by not delivering on why most play club - to get recruited. The following Pride classes took notice and KM has not had a class like the 2023s willing to stay together since. Expectedly and wisely so, they have gone to back to Capital who does have a strong history of getting players recruited.

All true except for the fact that 2023 Capital Blue beat Pride 2023 the only time they ever played.

Yeah, that 23 Pride team was like ranked 25th. They didn't get recruited where they wanted because they weren't good enough. That's for top 5 and top 10 teams. But the myth grows larger seemingly every year with Pride 23.

It’s funny how this topic gets some Capital parents’ panties in a wad, but we’ll play. That ‘23 class of girls pretty much stayed together for both Pride and what would become Capital from like 7th grade on. The only time that core Capital group beat Pride was the last year the teams played. That year the Pride team had inconsistent participation because girls had either quit playing lacrosse because of the recruiting fiasco or were off taking recruiting visits well past when they should have been. For some reason Capital treated that game as their Super Bowl, but understandable so since that class wanted to beat Pride at least once.

That Pride HS team reached a higher ranking than Capital, at one point being ranked 8th as the players started their high school years. Their final ranking was 24th and Capital 15th. Pride played the second hardest schedule that year only to YJ Thorn. The goal differential for both Pride and Capital was within +/- 1, so hardly indicative of the Pride players not being good against the best competition.

That final year there were no less than 3 area players of the year on Pride. None for Capital. Guess they weren’t good enough, so they should be thankful they had a good Capital recruiting experience, which is what this thread is about.

If it makes you feel better saying the girls were not good enough then go for it. Not many will buy what you’re selling. That team was loaded with talent and Pride did them no favors. Thankfully, that group had players that worked hard on their own and now play for top 25 programs, the ACC, service academies and high academics. Pride can’t take credit for any of this. Put those same girls in Capitals recruiting system and all would have easily been recruited.

Capital ‘23 Blue had nothing to prove the one time they played Pride because those Capital players were already fully recruited by that point. Capital was coasting when Pride was still fighting to get girls committed, yet Capital still won.

Re: Super Bowl reference, you have it twisted. Pride viewed the Stars (and later Capital) matches as some sort of holy war. It was really bizarre. Pride clearly wanted to try and prove some sort of point at those games. The screaming and yelling from Pride parents and coaches — it was weird but made for great conversation on the Capital sidelines.

The PP points fingers but places no blame on the parents for the team’s underwhelming recruiting performance. A small number of them convinced others on that Pride team to stay together. Promises by the club owner only fit the narrative they wanted to write. They were well aware the club had no previous recruiting history; they went in eyes open to an uncertain future.

I wish the PP hadn’t tried to compare Pride’s player recognitions to Capital’s because s/he won’t like the results. Capital Blue 23 had far more regional and national awards: more All-American / All-Academic recognitions than Pride (18-4); more All-Met selections (13-5); more First Team All-Met selections (3-1); more back-to-back All-Met selections (4-1); more All-American senior game selections (1-0); and more players named to Inside Lacrosse’s 2023 Power 100 (4-0).

why are you like this? Its obsessive and these girls are now rising college sophomores.

Also - 'back to back All Met Selections' is a not a stat. Its dumb.

Why is the PP’s multi-paragraph response warmly received but the rebuttal, factually supported, berated?

The back-to-back All-Met selection is a stat, as it shows consistent, high-level performance recognized by the Washington Post. It’s a “two-time all-star” regional recognition.

Capital Parents: "We're so non-plussed about this Pride thing."

Also Capital Parents: spends three hours to put out a research paper to show how obsessive they actually are.

The need for 2023 Capital parents to 'win' this debate is great theater. And I suspect we'll continue to see it here in these pages for years to come because they can't let it go.

Pride parent: “We’ve done nothing to fuel this”

Also Pride parent: posts a four-paragraph screed, claims Capital 23 players weren’t “good enough,” takes umbrage when publicly challenged, deflects when facts discredit their opinions, and mocks those who do a simple Google search to set the record straight.

You have a reading comprehension problem. The 'not good enough' reference was from a Capital parent who said PRIDE was not good enough to get recruited where they wanted Go back and look at the post the 'screed' responded to. So you're even starting from the wrong place.

Opinion (not fact): We we're on cruise control. We didn't even play hard.
Opinion (not fact): Holy wars for Pride. We were just drinking our mimosas.
As for your stats: it took you hours if they're even to be believed.

Honestly, I have no idea how you reconcile the 'we didn't care attitude' with the amount of page space you take up defending yourself THREE YEARS later.

A four paragraph response to a two-line comment pointing out Pride’s #25 ranking takes … a special kind.
Only to be overshadowed by the completely unhinged response above. Holy cow.

I wish I had video of the Pride sideline behavior at those Pride / Stars games. Cringe-town

The research might have taken you hours but it took me 20 minutes (on a DC 100 degree Sunday afternoon). Simple cross reference, “find my” page searches. Easy as pie. You’ve proven the need for such sober, fact-based analysis because you’ve offered little in any of your responses.

You also know the research is accurate: by touting the 3 “area” (state) awards Pride received, you’re well aware of Pride’s All American and All Met stats, too. If they were wrong, you would haven’t contested them.

You can’t change the past, but you don’t have to dwell on it! Enjoyed the (mostly) good-natured sparring. Have a nice night.

I'm not wasting the time to check your work and don't need anything proven...i just wonder why you do all these years later? Thats the point. Its obsessive. Go plant a flower.

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Anonymous wrote:Then explain why the recruiting for orange 25 was better than pride 25

They can't. It is sour grapes. Some people don't have realistic expectations for their fit.

Cap takes all of Pride’s good players. There is no one left to recruit. If Pride kept all their best kids, they would all go to top schools and Pride’s recruiting would best in class. Strategically, Cap has to take most of Pride’s kids. If Pride kept their kids and beat Capital, then they become obsolete.

Ok so why doesn’t Pride just keep their best players? Oh that’s right….

Please finish this thought for rest of us who don't understand. Why can't Pride hang on to their HS players? Is it the allure of Capital or recruiting probs at Pride? TIA

This is all rooted in the Pride 2023 class, which arguably had the best HS team in the area that year. That class with the exception of one player all chose to stay together, never even trying out for Capital, and trusting KM would live up to the recruiting promises made to players. Big mistake.

Pride’s recruiting efforts were green and poorly run with that class. The club lost their recruiting director, who went on to be the Head Coach at American. She was great and helpful, but the players were on their first high school year with her. But she had a plan for each player. The former GMU coach who took over simply did not care, had no plan for individual players, and seemed to have a general lack of interest in her job with Pride. KM did nothing to address the issue until it was too late for that class.

The 2023s who have gone on to play in college from that team did all the work on their own. Being the first true recruiting class for Pride they had no history to fall back on, no former recruits from the club to follow, and really no college coach connections to rely on from the club. As a result of all of this the class struggled with little guidance and know-how. The results were not good, and these fell squarely on KM and Pride.

This class was supposed to be KMs springboard for her HS program. She had a large group of the areas best players that played in the top brackets, had a top 5 strength of schedule, and played the best teams close. KM simply failed to capitalize on their talent. She could have built a great HS brand and experience on this class, but she threw it all away by not delivering on why most play club - to get recruited. The following Pride classes took notice and KM has not had a class like the 2023s willing to stay together since. Expectedly and wisely so, they have gone to back to Capital who does have a strong history of getting players recruited.

All true except for the fact that 2023 Capital Blue beat Pride 2023 the only time they ever played.

Yeah, that 23 Pride team was like ranked 25th. They didn't get recruited where they wanted because they weren't good enough. That's for top 5 and top 10 teams. But the myth grows larger seemingly every year with Pride 23.

It’s funny how this topic gets some Capital parents’ panties in a wad, but we’ll play. That ‘23 class of girls pretty much stayed together for both Pride and what would become Capital from like 7th grade on. The only time that core Capital group beat Pride was the last year the teams played. That year the Pride team had inconsistent participation because girls had either quit playing lacrosse because of the recruiting fiasco or were off taking recruiting visits well past when they should have been. For some reason Capital treated that game as their Super Bowl, but understandable so since that class wanted to beat Pride at least once.

That Pride HS team reached a higher ranking than Capital, at one point being ranked 8th as the players started their high school years. Their final ranking was 24th and Capital 15th. Pride played the second hardest schedule that year only to YJ Thorn. The goal differential for both Pride and Capital was within +/- 1, so hardly indicative of the Pride players not being good against the best competition.

That final year there were no less than 3 area players of the year on Pride. None for Capital. Guess they weren’t good enough, so they should be thankful they had a good Capital recruiting experience, which is what this thread is about.

If it makes you feel better saying the girls were not good enough then go for it. Not many will buy what you’re selling. That team was loaded with talent and Pride did them no favors. Thankfully, that group had players that worked hard on their own and now play for top 25 programs, the ACC, service academies and high academics. Pride can’t take credit for any of this. Put those same girls in Capitals recruiting system and all would have easily been recruited.

Capital ‘23 Blue had nothing to prove the one time they played Pride because those Capital players were already fully recruited by that point. Capital was coasting when Pride was still fighting to get girls committed, yet Capital still won.

Re: Super Bowl reference, you have it twisted. Pride viewed the Stars (and later Capital) matches as some sort of holy war. It was really bizarre. Pride clearly wanted to try and prove some sort of point at those games. The screaming and yelling from Pride parents and coaches — it was weird but made for great conversation on the Capital sidelines.

The PP points fingers but places no blame on the parents for the team’s underwhelming recruiting performance. A small number of them convinced others on that Pride team to stay together. Promises by the club owner only fit the narrative they wanted to write. They were well aware the club had no previous recruiting history; they went in eyes open to an uncertain future.

I wish the PP hadn’t tried to compare Pride’s player recognitions to Capital’s because s/he won’t like the results. Capital Blue 23 had far more regional and national awards: more All-American / All-Academic recognitions than Pride (18-4); more All-Met selections (13-5); more First Team All-Met selections (3-1); more back-to-back All-Met selections (4-1); more All-American senior game selections (1-0); and more players named to Inside Lacrosse’s 2023 Power 100 (4-0).

why are you like this? Its obsessive and these girls are now rising college sophomores.

Also - 'back to back All Met Selections' is a not a stat. Its dumb.

Why is the PP’s multi-paragraph response warmly received but the rebuttal, factually supported, berated?

The back-to-back All-Met selection is a stat, as it shows consistent, high-level performance recognized by the Washington Post. It’s a “two-time all-star” regional recognition.

Capital Parents: "We're so non-plussed about this Pride thing."

Also Capital Parents: spends three hours to put out a research paper to show how obsessive they actually are.

The need for 2023 Capital parents to 'win' this debate is great theater. And I suspect we'll continue to see it here in these pages for years to come because they can't let it go.

Pride parent: “We’ve done nothing to fuel this”

Also Pride parent: posts a four-paragraph screed, claims Capital 23 players weren’t “good enough,” takes umbrage when publicly challenged, deflects when facts discredit their opinions, and mocks those who do a simple Google search to set the record straight.

You have a reading comprehension problem. The 'not good enough' reference was from a Capital parent who said PRIDE was not good enough to get recruited where they wanted Go back and look at the post the 'screed' responded to. So you're even starting from the wrong place.

Opinion (not fact): We we're on cruise control. We didn't even play hard.
Opinion (not fact): Holy wars for Pride. We were just drinking our mimosas.
As for your stats: it took you hours if they're even to be believed.

Honestly, I have no idea how you reconcile the 'we didn't care attitude' with the amount of page space you take up defending yourself THREE YEARS later.

A four paragraph response to a two-line comment pointing out Pride’s #25 ranking takes … a special kind.
Only to be overshadowed by the completely unhinged response above. Holy cow.

I wish I had video of the Pride sideline behavior at those Pride / Stars games. Cringe-town

The research might have taken you hours but it took me 20 minutes (on a DC 100 degree Sunday afternoon). Simple cross reference, “find my” page searches. Easy as pie. You’ve proven the need for such sober, fact-based analysis because you’ve offered little in any of your responses.

You also know the research is accurate: by touting the 3 “area” (state) awards Pride received, you’re well aware of Pride’s All American and All Met stats, too. If they were wrong, you would haven’t contested them.

You can’t change the past, but you don’t have to dwell on it! Enjoyed the (mostly) good-natured sparring. Have a nice night.

I'm not wasting the time to check your work and don't need anything proven...i just wonder why you do all these years later? Thats the point. Its obsessive. Go plant a flower.

Both of you shut the fu*k up, nobody cares about you daughters, literally nobody in this world.

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Yes, this toxic parent sh$t is why your daughters will lose out in the recruiting wars.