Student walkout

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kids shouldn’t be “experimenting” with gender identity at school and teachers shouldn’t be encouraging it. School is for academics. Let’s keep the focus where it needs to be.

Who decides who is experimenting and who is fully aware of who they are?

Anybody can "decide" in their minds what they believe - the child, the teacher, the parent, a stranger.

Who should make decisions for the welfare of children? Their parents or legal guardians.

+100. And that’s what this new policy is saying. It’s getting rid of the bs that currently exists in schools where kids can change their name and pronouns on a whim because they are experimenting. Nope, it can only be done now if a parent writes a note. If the child has this issue from a young age, there should be no problem writing a note.

And again, if the parent does write the note, this policy says that teachers and administrators can ignore it based on their own beliefs. This is about the rights of all parents, it’s about the rights of parents who Youngkin is playing to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Y’all know Youngkin sends his kids to woke private schools, yes?

So did Terry McAuliffe’s. So, what’s your point?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10151011/Terry-McAuliffe-slammed-hypocrisy-praising-Virginias-public-schools-four-kids-private.html

So did the Obamas.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kids shouldn’t be “experimenting” with gender identity at school and teachers shouldn’t be encouraging it. School is for academics. Let’s keep the focus where it needs to be.

Who decides who is experimenting and who is fully aware of who they are?

Anybody can "decide" in their minds what they believe - the child, the teacher, the parent, a stranger.

Who should make decisions for the welfare of children? Their parents or legal guardians.

No if the parents are putting their children’s mental health at risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will call my students what they ask me to call them, because that is a basic sign of respect and dignity.

If that gets me fired, so be it. It will be worth it compared to deadnaming a kid and knowing I am causing a kid pain every day.

Thank you for caring about the kids.

Sorry we have so many sh1thead parents in our state.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Youngkin was my first republican vote ever. Love that guy. Parents should know what’s going on in schools. It’s just common sense. The more democrats try to deny common sense, the more people like me say “bye”.

You must be a man and have boys to be so nonchalant with the health care of women in your life.

Common sense is not what you are after if you support Youngkin after Dobbs.

Power and control is what you are after. You are painting that over by saying “common sense” but it is white male control narrative you want to maintain.

Not “after Dobbs”. He was on tape saying he was a forced birther and people like the above decided that was good with them.

+1

They knew what they were buying.

Youngkin wants to oppress women? A feature, not a bug.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Under his policy, parents cannot authorize the use of a different name or pronoun. They need to provide legal documents. Why do Republicans want the state to control everyone? Why did Youngkin say kids belong to their parents? Kids are not property. They have a right to have their own feelings especially when so many trans kids are rejected by their parents. Schools should be safe places for all kids. And what happened to limited government and local control? Fairfax voters did not vote for Youngkin - he lost by a lot here. Let localities decide.

How does this work? For example, if Robert wants to go by “Junior” or “JR” because that’s his nickname at home but not his birth name, his parents have to change it legally?

Not really cause it’s still a boy name.
But if he wanted to be called Roberta or something else then yes

That seems like the kind of discrimination that will get you sued. If Mary can go by her nickname, but Joe can not be called Jane then the policy is no facially neutral.

This is what that section says: (see 2 and 4)

D. Identification of students:
1. Every effort should be made to ensure that a transgender student wishing to change his or her means of address is treated with respect, compassion, and dignity in the classroom and school environment.

2. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only (i) the name that appears in the student’s official record, or (ii) if the student prefers, using any nickname commonly associated with the name that appears in the student’s official record.

3. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only the pronouns appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record - that is, male pronouns for a student whose legal sex is male, and female pronouns for a student whose legal sex is female.

4. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraphs (2) and (3) of this section, [School Division] personnel shall refer to a student by a name other than one in the student’s official record, or by pronouns other than those appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record, only if an eligible student or a student’s parent has instructed [School Division] in writing that such other name or other pronouns be used because of the student’s persistent and sincere belief that the student’s gender differs from his or her sex.

5. Any written instruction from a parent or eligible student under paragraph (4) of this section shall be memorialized in the student’s official record and subject to the same retention, disclosure, and confidentiality requirements as the official record itself. The legal name and sex of a student shall not be changed, even upon the written instruction of a parent or eligible student, except as specified in section (C)(2).

6. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph (4) of this section, [School Division] shall not compel [School Division] personnel or other students to address or refer to students in any manner that would violate their constitutionally protected rights.

7. No policy, guidance, training, or other written material issued by the [School Division] may encourage or instruct teachers to conceal material information about a student from the student’s parent, including information related to gender.

Does this wording concern anyone?

Please share why it concerns you. That could help drive discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids shouldn’t be “experimenting” with gender identity at school and teachers shouldn’t be encouraging it. School is for academics. Let’s keep the focus where it needs to be.

Who decides who is experimenting and who is fully aware of who they are?

Anybody can "decide" in their minds what they believe - the child, the teacher, the parent, a stranger.

Who should make decisions for the welfare of children? Their parents or legal guardians.

No if the parents are putting their children’s mental health at risk.

Nope.

Mental health decisions need to be made by parents with the advice of a doctor.

Schools need to focus on academics and leave health issues to the health system

[Anonymous]

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The same people preaching tolerance, love and inclusivity are posting on this thread so dishonestly and hysterically about a proposed policy they know little about. This sheds light on the kind of environment the kids organizing this walkout are brought up at home and/or how are indoctrinated by adults who play parent with someone else’s children.

Contrary to what some posters claim here, schools are places where taxpayers send their kids to grow academically and not to “explore their sexuality” nor “to get abortions” like some posters claim. Come November, they’ll find out how the majority feels about adults utilizing kids like political pawns.

+1 Yes!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If parents want to know everything about their kids, why don’t they talk to them? The kids keeping a secret like this clearly don’t feel safe to talk to their parents. Instead of using the force of the state to know about their kids, they should try parenting.

This!! The kids that can't tell their parents stuff have crappy-ass parents who have made it clear that there is a "right" way to be and they better not step out of gender norms.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If parents want to know everything about their kids, why don’t they talk to them? The kids keeping a secret like this clearly don’t feel safe to talk to their parents. Instead of using the force of the state to know about their kids, they should try parenting.

This!! The kids that can't tell their parents stuff have crappy-ass parents who have made it clear that there is a "right" way to be and they better not step out of gender norms.

Most of the girls in my kids class who are identifying as boys without telling their parents have very liberal parents who say the exact same thing that you just posted.

There are close to 50 to 60 percent of the girls in my kids fcps middle school who are claiming a different gender. Most of their parents are very blue, very kind and involved parents and have zero clue that this is going on.

The kids hiding this from their parents has nothing to do with having "crappy ass parents"

The hiding stuff from parents is normal, mainstream, developmentally appropriate teen behavior that has nothing to do with the quality of a trans kids parents.

The problem is that for some reason, on this particular issue, activists have cowed schools and parents and brainwashed students into believing that parents should be cut off from their kids by schools as a best practice. This is simply wrong, particularly on such an emotionally charged and potentially dangerous to the kids well being mental health issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If parents want to know everything about their kids, why don’t they talk to them? The kids keeping a secret like this clearly don’t feel safe to talk to their parents. Instead of using the force of the state to know about their kids, they should try parenting.

This!! The kids that can't tell their parents stuff have crappy-ass parents who have made it clear that there is a "right" way to be and they better not step out of gender norms.

Most of the girls in my kids class who are identifying as boys without telling their parents have very liberal parents who say the exact same thing that you just posted.

There are close to 50 to 60 percent of the girls in my kids fcps middle school who are claiming a different gender. Most of their parents are very blue, very kind and involved parents and have zero clue that this is going on.

The kids hiding this from their parents has nothing to do with having "crappy ass parents"

The hiding stuff from parents is normal, mainstream, developmentally appropriate teen behavior that has nothing to do with the quality of a trans kids parents.

The problem is that for some reason, on this particular issue, activists have cowed schools and parents and brainwashed students into believing that parents should be cut off from their kids by schools as a best practice. This is simply wrong, particularly on such an emotionally charged and potentially dangerous to the kids well being mental health issue.

It's a tough balance and may in fact be out of balance. When so much attention is constantly focused on the "marginalized" (consider the signs that so many teachers put outside their classrooms touting how every set of kids but straight white kids were welcome in their classrooms), the so-called marginalized start to be seen as as the desirable norm, and kids who naturally want to fit in gravitate towards the new norm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If parents want to know everything about their kids, why don’t they talk to them? The kids keeping a secret like this clearly don’t feel safe to talk to their parents. Instead of using the force of the state to know about their kids, they should try parenting.

This!! The kids that can't tell their parents stuff have crappy-ass parents who have made it clear that there is a "right" way to be and they better not step out of gender norms.

Most of the girls in my kids class who are identifying as boys without telling their parents have very liberal parents who say the exact same thing that you just posted.

There are close to 50 to 60 percent of the girls in my kids fcps middle school who are claiming a different gender. Most of their parents are very blue, very kind and involved parents and have zero clue that this is going on.

The kids hiding this from their parents has nothing to do with having "crappy ass parents"

The hiding stuff from parents is normal, mainstream, developmentally appropriate teen behavior that has nothing to do with the quality of a trans kids parents.

The problem is that for some reason, on this particular issue, activists have cowed schools and parents and brainwashed students into believing that parents should be cut off from their kids by schools as a best practice. This is simply wrong, particularly on such an emotionally charged and potentially dangerous to the kids well being mental health issue.

It's a tough balance and may in fact be out of balance. When so much attention is constantly focused on the "marginalized" (consider the signs that so many teachers put outside their classrooms touting how every set of kids but straight white kids were welcome in their classrooms), the so-called marginalized start to be seen as as the desirable norm, and kids who naturally want to fit in gravitate towards the new norm.

I think there is a lot of indoctrination going on too from fcps.

At our middle school, learning seminar is averaging at least one dedicated transgender or gender identity lesson each week.

Even if you are pro trans issues, giving the 12 to 14 year olds a weekly lesson extolling all of the virtues of changing your identity and gender identity activism is a bit much and definitely crosses into indoctrination, and is probably fueling much of this.

I am certain lessons like this are district wide in the middle schools and not just limited to our middle school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If parents want to know everything about their kids, why don’t they talk to them? The kids keeping a secret like this clearly don’t feel safe to talk to their parents. Instead of using the force of the state to know about their kids, they should try parenting.

This!! The kids that can't tell their parents stuff have crappy-ass parents who have made it clear that there is a "right" way to be and they better not step out of gender norms.

Sounds like parents being parents. It's sad that most parents and adults have abandoned their moral calling and let the kids run wild.

[Anonymous]

There are fcps sending out emails to the kids via schoology stolrongly encouraging them to walk out.

Mount Vernon high school is one of the schools where a teacher sent an emphatic letter essentially telling the kids they needed to participate in the walk out and that news media would be at their school.

This email was sent through official fcps channels, essentially pressuring the kids to participate in a political protest, endorsed strongly by the Mount Vernon teacher, with no considerwtion for students who might not want to participate.

This is wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are fcps sending out emails to the kids via schoology stolrongly encouraging them to walk out.

Mount Vernon high school is one of the schools where a teacher sent an emphatic letter essentially telling the kids they needed to participate in the walk out and that news media would be at their school.

This email was sent through official fcps channels, essentially pressuring the kids to participate in a political protest, endorsed strongly by the Mount Vernon teacher, with no considerwtion for students who might not want to participate.

This is wrong.

What happens to a kid in this class who chooses not to participate in the walk out that the fcps teacher is pushing.

Will their grades be affected? It is s ubjective subject, not math.

Will the teacher ostracize the kid?

Will bullying, coercion or teacher led peer pressure be used against this kid?

Will the students be encouraged to ostracize this kid in for not being an "ally"?