BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.

You still have not articulated an alternative

Mask indoors when outside your home. Done.
N95 do work.
Home tests do work.

Yes, you can't see each other's smiles, yes indoor dining is out, yes kids should mask in school, yes indoor swimming is out. But then, no mass disabling event, yay.

It isn't that complicated, it isn't that onerous.

Out of curiosity, how many years do we have to do this before you believe it’s not a mass disabling event?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!


Not nice. I have it on vacation right now and I am sick as a dog.

I run a training class and we had multiple speakers (all of whom are vaccinated due to work requirements) out due to covid. It really put us in a bind! While some people are mocking the situation (“The sky is falling!”), it’s not funny for those of us who have to deal with the consequences.

I bet a good portion of those people weren’t even sick, yet have to sit “out” for
5-10 days. Time to revise that

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I had Covid last week. I wish I knew if I had this variant or the stealth variant.

I picked it up in NYC

If you tested positive, it wasn't the stealth variant.

Are you’d aging the stealth variant evades both vaccines AND testing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.

You still have not articulated an alternative

Mask indoors when outside your home. Done.
N95 do work.
Home tests do work.

Yes, you can't see each other's smiles, yes indoor dining is out, yes kids should mask in school, yes indoor swimming is out. But then, no mass disabling event, yay.

It isn't that complicated, it isn't that onerous.

Hahahaha. You’re so out of touch

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.

Completely agree. We have vaccines that are effective at preventing serious illnesses, prophylactics for high-risk individuals, and treatments for those that catch covid. Time to move on.

Agree. Time to move on. Including lifting isolations and quarantines for kids at school, camps, activists and people at work unless they are symptomatic. Same with testing. No more testing unless people are sick.

Except that both the vaccines and available antivirals are not currently enough to prevent long-covid, and each infection is its own risk of long-covid and there really isn't a high-risk individual profile more susceptible to long-covid, everyone is at risk.

Moving on also includes 90% of your flights getting canceled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had Covid last week. I wish I knew if I had this variant or the stealth variant.

I picked it up in NYC

If you tested positive, it wasn't the stealth variant.

Are you’d aging the stealth variant evades both vaccines AND testing?

Different poster. Stealth refers to evading vacc not tests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.

Completely agree. We have vaccines that are effective at preventing serious illnesses, prophylactics for high-risk individuals, and treatments for those that catch covid. Time to move on.

Agree. Time to move on. Including lifting isolations and quarantines for kids at school, camps, activists and people at work unless they are symptomatic. Same with testing. No more testing unless people are sick.

Except that both the vaccines and available antivirals are not currently enough to prevent long-covid, and each infection is its own risk of long-covid and there really isn't a high-risk individual profile more susceptible to long-covid, everyone is at risk.

Moving on also includes 90% of your flights getting canceled.

Except most normal people aren’t living in fear of long Covid. If your goal is to completely avoid Covid, that’s your problem to deal with, not societies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.

Completely agree. We have vaccines that are effective at preventing serious illnesses, prophylactics for high-risk individuals, and treatments for those that catch covid. Time to move on.

Agree. Time to move on. Including lifting isolations and quarantines for kids at school, camps, activists and people at work unless they are symptomatic. Same with testing. No more testing unless people are sick.

Except that both the vaccines and available antivirals are not currently enough to prevent long-covid, and each infection is its own risk of long-covid and there really isn't a high-risk individual profile more susceptible to long-covid, everyone is at risk.

Moving on also includes 90% of your flights getting canceled.

NP. This is patently false based on the available evidence. Everyone is not equally at risk for Long Covid, nor is there evidence that the risk doesn't diminish in re-infections. Stop the fear mongering misinformation to suit your agenda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.

You still have not articulated an alternative

This ain’t it. We need indoor mask mandates until our HVAC systems and buildings are brought up to speed. That can happen; it just requires everyone turning away from hygiene theater and the pretense that vaccines alone have solved the problem.

Either you’re being sarcastic or you don’t understand HVAC systems and building construction.

Oh, no--I understand them well. It's going to take tons of money and investment, changes to building codes--it will be years.

In the meanwhile all public spaces should be required to monitor and make available in real time their CO2 levels as a proxy for rebreathed air fraction, so people at least have a fighting chance of making the "individual risk calculations" we're all encouraged to make. That's not crazy expensive and it's done in other countries; they just don't want to do it here because of what it's going to reveal about how bad the air is.

And in the meanwhile we need mask mandates in indoor spaces, for high-quality masks on which fit information is widely distributed.

Do mask mandates "work"? Yes, it's completely clear that when mandates are in place, many many more people wear masks. If we upgraded those masks and made any effort at all at teaching people how to use them correctly, we'd be a lot closer to being able to "live with COVID".

You can keep saying mandates work, but you don't have any evidence to back it up, neither high-quality studies nor real life data. Some countries (like Germany) had a "high-quality" mask mandate in some regions and there was no evidence that they fared any better than the regions that didn't.

Here is a good article that explains why mandates have not been shown to work while high-quality masks worn correctly can protect the individual while they are wearing it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/briefing/masks-mandates-us-covid.html

I know this situation is mind-boggling to many, but it is what the evidence has shown.

Any thoughts on other IAQ measures or are you just here for your mask argument?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.

Completely agree. We have vaccines that are effective at preventing serious illnesses, prophylactics for high-risk individuals, and treatments for those that catch covid. Time to move on.

Agree. Time to move on. Including lifting isolations and quarantines for kids at school, camps, activists and people at work unless they are symptomatic. Same with testing. No more testing unless people are sick.

Except that both the vaccines and available antivirals are not currently enough to prevent long-covid, and each infection is its own risk of long-covid and there really isn't a high-risk individual profile more susceptible to long-covid, everyone is at risk.

Moving on also includes 90% of your flights getting canceled.

Except most normal people aren’t living in fear of long Covid. If your goal is to completely avoid Covid, that’s your problem to deal with, not societies.

+10000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.

Completely agree. We have vaccines that are effective at preventing serious illnesses, prophylactics for high-risk individuals, and treatments for those that catch covid. Time to move on.

Agree. Time to move on. Including lifting isolations and quarantines for kids at school, camps, activists and people at work unless they are symptomatic. Same with testing. No more testing unless people are sick.

Except that both the vaccines and available antivirals are not currently enough to prevent long-covid, and each infection is its own risk of long-covid and there really isn't a high-risk individual profile more susceptible to long-covid, everyone is at risk.

Moving on also includes 90% of your flights getting canceled.

I’m ok with “long Covid” whatever that even is-
There seems to be a very wide definition. Majority of people that get covid don’t need hospitalization and recover without issues. Most claiming they have long covid, have vague mild symptoms. I’d rather have a good quality of life now that have everything forever interrupted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.

Completely agree. We have vaccines that are effective at preventing serious illnesses, prophylactics for high-risk individuals, and treatments for those that catch covid. Time to move on.

Agree. Time to move on. Including lifting isolations and quarantines for kids at school, camps, activists and people at work unless they are symptomatic. Same with testing. No more testing unless people are sick.

Except that both the vaccines and available antivirals are not currently enough to prevent long-covid, and each infection is its own risk of long-covid and there really isn't a high-risk individual profile more susceptible to long-covid, everyone is at risk.

Moving on also includes 90% of your flights getting canceled.

Move on. Stop testing and stop quarantining people that are healthy and symptom free. The world is already overpopulated. No one needs to live to be 100 and we all have to die of something. If you don’t want to ever be sick with anything then you can mask and stay home

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.

You still have not articulated an alternative

This ain’t it. We need indoor mask mandates until our HVAC systems and buildings are brought up to speed. That can happen; it just requires everyone turning away from hygiene theater and the pretense that vaccines alone have solved the problem.

Either you’re being sarcastic or you don’t understand HVAC systems and building construction.

Oh, no--I understand them well. It's going to take tons of money and investment, changes to building codes--it will be years.

In the meanwhile all public spaces should be required to monitor and make available in real time their CO2 levels as a proxy for rebreathed air fraction, so people at least have a fighting chance of making the "individual risk calculations" we're all encouraged to make. That's not crazy expensive and it's done in other countries; they just don't want to do it here because of what it's going to reveal about how bad the air is.

And in the meanwhile we need mask mandates in indoor spaces, for high-quality masks on which fit information is widely distributed.

Do mask mandates "work"? Yes, it's completely clear that when mandates are in place, many many more people wear masks. If we upgraded those masks and made any effort at all at teaching people how to use them correctly, we'd be a lot closer to being able to "live with COVID".

You can keep saying mandates work, but you don't have any evidence to back it up, neither high-quality studies nor real life data. Some countries (like Germany) had a "high-quality" mask mandate in some regions and there was no evidence that they fared any better than the regions that didn't.

Here is a good article that explains why mandates have not been shown to work while high-quality masks worn correctly can protect the individual while they are wearing it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/briefing/masks-mandates-us-covid.html

I know this situation is mind-boggling to many, but it is what the evidence has shown.

Any thoughts on other IAQ measures or are you just here for your mask argument?

"My" mask argument? This isn't my argument, this is what the majority of experts are saying at this point, and what the majority of people support. Believers in mask mandates are in a rapidly shrinking minority. But yes, I am very much in favor of improving indoor air quality. Agree it will be expensive in many cases to retrofit, but should figure into building codes going forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.

Completely agree. We have vaccines that are effective at preventing serious illnesses, prophylactics for high-risk individuals, and treatments for those that catch covid. Time to move on.

Agree. Time to move on. Including lifting isolations and quarantines for kids at school, camps, activists and people at work unless they are symptomatic. Same with testing. No more testing unless people are sick.

Except that both the vaccines and available antivirals are not currently enough to prevent long-covid, and each infection is its own risk of long-covid and there really isn't a high-risk individual profile more susceptible to long-covid, everyone is at risk.

Moving on also includes 90% of your flights getting canceled.

NP. This is patently false based on the available evidence. Everyone is not equally at risk for Long Covid, nor is there evidence that the risk doesn't diminish in re-infections. Stop the fear mongering misinformation to suit your agenda.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.

You still have not articulated an alternative

Mask indoors when outside your home. Done.
N95 do work.
Home tests do work.

Yes, you can't see each other's smiles, yes indoor dining is out, yes kids should mask in school, yes indoor swimming is out. But then, no mass disabling event, yay.

It isn't that complicated, it isn't that onerous.

I really hope you're trolling. Because nearly 2.5 year later, I find it hard to believe that you can't accept everyone has different levels of risk for themselves. Expecting everyone to follow your protocol is totally needless.

Take me, for example. To the best of my knowledge, I have never had covid. I am vaccinated and had one booster nearly 8 months ago. On any given week, I probably share indoor space with at least a thousand other unmasked people (probably more). That's 1k unmasked people a week, for over a year. That has included: working in public schools, going to the gym, taking classes with 50+ people, going to all kinds of stores, eating in restaurants, traveling internationally, unmasking on trans-atlantic flights, and normal socializing with friends and family.

I am a healthy person with no comorbidities. If I haven't had covid yet, I'll take my chances going forward. I'm done with masking - it serves me no good, as a healthy person.

Do what you want based on your own risk assessment for yourself, however.