Does Baptism mean that you those who are not Baptized won't go to heaven?

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Anonymous wrote:If these posters are Catholic, I’m starting to realize that the Jesuit Priest who taught my theology courses at Georgetown was right. So many Catholics are ignorant about their own religion.

I don’t think these posters are Catholic. You can tell they are trolls and/or atheists, posing fake questions about fake children and then adding wikipedia information ‼️ to the thread. It’s such a waste of time.

Op has never returned, she’s SO CONCERNED, but never returns.

By "Fake quetins about fake children" do you mean a hypothetical to try to understand what the person I am interacting with is saying?

Do you think this forum should be just for posters who all believe the same thing to share their belief? Debate or discussion not allowed?

Honest debate is great. Made up posts are a waste of time. Truth is important.

What is "made up" about any of the posts? Seriously, I don't get it. This isn't even about factual details, but discussion and belief.

Really? So op has kids she’s horribly conflicted about baptizing? She’s never once come back past the first post to ask any more questions or tell us more about her issues with her kids and baptism.

That’s what is made up. At the core, it’s some troll pretending to have kids and issues with baptizing them. That’s the problem. There are no kids and op has no one to baptize. Without the fake kids, op is just a lonely, sad person who spends all their time trolling here…and it’s a pattern of posting here. A made up religious situation involving kids, and op posts once and a debate ensues.

This thread was supposed to be about baptism. Then it veered off into is heaven real? Where did Jesus go after his death? Where did the souls in purgatory go? Then: we agree heaven isn’t real, right guys? Right? RIGHT!!

Troll troll troll.

No one said heaven isn't real. That pp said it's not a real "place." So what is it? What's the nature of it? Several posters have tried to address this but the comments have been conflicting.

Make a new thread? Each thread should have a topic. Pretend you have kids and they asked you about going to heaven, and you don’t know what to tell them.
Of course you don’t say their ages, or what religion you are, or what you have previously told your own kids about heaven. You just want some internet strangers to advise you.

?? What's wrong with that? Where would DCUM be without people asking internet strangers for advice?

You take advice from internet strangers about religion? How do you know if the strangers are telling you correct information?

What else do you do in your life, off the advice of internet forums?

There has been some good information on this thread. You should be less cynical. Happy Sunday.

There are plenty of other sources of information about Catholicism, incl this one https://catholicstraightanswers.com/what-is-heaven/ and any catholic priest.

The atheists and anti-theists who constantly post and troll here don’t care about actually having a correct and complete source for their questions. They just want to play gotcha and lie to the few earnest believers who try to answer their questions.

It’s their hobby.

Just checked the above link and it is not an atheist site. It appears to be a Catholic site, quoting scripture and catholic clergy.

Right. I am the person who has posted Wikipedia articles. I specifically posted quotes from Catholic Catechism that happened to be embedded in Wikipedia articles.

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Anonymous wrote:If these posters are Catholic, I’m starting to realize that the Jesuit Priest who taught my theology courses at Georgetown was right. So many Catholics are ignorant about their own religion.

I don’t think these posters are Catholic. You can tell they are trolls and/or atheists, posing fake questions about fake children and then adding wikipedia information ‼️ to the thread. It’s such a waste of time.

Op has never returned, she’s SO CONCERNED, but never returns.

By "Fake quetins about fake children" do you mean a hypothetical to try to understand what the person I am interacting with is saying?

Do you think this forum should be just for posters who all believe the same thing to share their belief? Debate or discussion not allowed?

Honest debate is great. Made up posts are a waste of time. Truth is important.

What is "made up" about any of the posts? Seriously, I don't get it. This isn't even about factual details, but discussion and belief.

Really? So op has kids she’s horribly conflicted about baptizing? She’s never once come back past the first post to ask any more questions or tell us more about her issues with her kids and baptism.

That’s what is made up. At the core, it’s some troll pretending to have kids and issues with baptizing them. That’s the problem. There are no kids and op has no one to baptize. Without the fake kids, op is just a lonely, sad person who spends all their time trolling here…and it’s a pattern of posting here. A made up religious situation involving kids, and op posts once and a debate ensues.

This thread was supposed to be about baptism. Then it veered off into is heaven real? Where did Jesus go after his death? Where did the souls in purgatory go? Then: we agree heaven isn’t real, right guys? Right? RIGHT!!

Troll troll troll.

No one said heaven isn't real. That pp said it's not a real "place." So what is it? What's the nature of it? Several posters have tried to address this but the comments have been conflicting.

Comments are conflicting because beliefs are conflicting and people can hold whatever beliefs they want. However, observant catholics believe that heaven is a real place and that baptism is required to cleanse the soul of babies of Original Sin.

That’s fine for you to believe, but don’t expect to be able to state your belief and not expect others to express theirs equally. That’s why, as one poster pointed out prior, it’s might be best to say “it’s a ritual of my religion” and leave it at that if you don’t want debate.

If you welcome honest debate and discussion, then by all means state the full breadth of your beliefs. Just don’t expect an echo chamber here.

But do expect fake posts and trolls, they make up a large percentage of the discussion.

Sure, expect those too, and call them out individually. No one is saying you can't.

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Anonymous wrote:If these posters are Catholic, I’m starting to realize that the Jesuit Priest who taught my theology courses at Georgetown was right. So many Catholics are ignorant about their own religion.

I don’t think these posters are Catholic. You can tell they are trolls and/or atheists, posing fake questions about fake children and then adding wikipedia information ‼️ to the thread. It’s such a waste of time.

Op has never returned, she’s SO CONCERNED, but never returns.

By "Fake quetins about fake children" do you mean a hypothetical to try to understand what the person I am interacting with is saying?

Do you think this forum should be just for posters who all believe the same thing to share their belief? Debate or discussion not allowed?

Honest debate is great. Made up posts are a waste of time. Truth is important.

What is "made up" about any of the posts? Seriously, I don't get it. This isn't even about factual details, but discussion and belief.

Really? So op has kids she’s horribly conflicted about baptizing? She’s never once come back past the first post to ask any more questions or tell us more about her issues with her kids and baptism.

That’s what is made up. At the core, it’s some troll pretending to have kids and issues with baptizing them. That’s the problem. There are no kids and op has no one to baptize. Without the fake kids, op is just a lonely, sad person who spends all their time trolling here…and it’s a pattern of posting here. A made up religious situation involving kids, and op posts once and a debate ensues.

This thread was supposed to be about baptism. Then it veered off into is heaven real? Where did Jesus go after his death? Where did the souls in purgatory go? Then: we agree heaven isn’t real, right guys? Right? RIGHT!!

Troll troll troll.

No one said heaven isn't real. That pp said it's not a real "place." So what is it? What's the nature of it? Several posters have tried to address this but the comments have been conflicting.

Make a new thread? Each thread should have a topic. Pretend you have kids and they asked you about going to heaven, and you don’t know what to tell them.
Of course you don’t say their ages, or what religion you are, or what you have previously told your own kids about heaven. You just want some internet strangers to advise you.

?? What's wrong with that? Where would DCUM be without people asking internet strangers for advice?

You take advice from internet strangers about religion? How do you know if the strangers are telling you correct information?

What else do you do in your life, off the advice of internet forums?

There has been some good information on this thread. You should be less cynical. Happy Sunday.

Ok, which post are you picking to base your belief in the sacrament of baptism on? Who convinced you in a paragraph or less, they know the truth?

Certainly not the person who shouts "Troll troll troll" at any post they disagree with

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Anonymous wrote:If these posters are Catholic, I’m starting to realize that the Jesuit Priest who taught my theology courses at Georgetown was right. So many Catholics are ignorant about their own religion.

I don’t think these posters are Catholic. You can tell they are trolls and/or atheists, posing fake questions about fake children and then adding wikipedia information ‼️ to the thread. It’s such a waste of time.

Op has never returned, she’s SO CONCERNED, but never returns.

By "Fake quetins about fake children" do you mean a hypothetical to try to understand what the person I am interacting with is saying?

Do you think this forum should be just for posters who all believe the same thing to share their belief? Debate or discussion not allowed?

Honest debate is great. Made up posts are a waste of time. Truth is important.

What is "made up" about any of the posts? Seriously, I don't get it. This isn't even about factual details, but discussion and belief.

Really? So op has kids she’s horribly conflicted about baptizing? She’s never once come back past the first post to ask any more questions or tell us more about her issues with her kids and baptism.

That’s what is made up. At the core, it’s some troll pretending to have kids and issues with baptizing them. That’s the problem. There are no kids and op has no one to baptize. Without the fake kids, op is just a lonely, sad person who spends all their time trolling here…and it’s a pattern of posting here. A made up religious situation involving kids, and op posts once and a debate ensues.

This thread was supposed to be about baptism. Then it veered off into is heaven real? Where did Jesus go after his death? Where did the souls in purgatory go? Then: we agree heaven isn’t real, right guys? Right? RIGHT!!


The subject of the post connects baptism to heaven. Why would you think that discussion of those afterlife topics constitutes "veering"?
Troll troll troll.

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Anonymous wrote:So we're all agreed there's no actual place called heaven? I just wonder where Jesus went when he was bodily resurrected. If there's no actual place called heaven, where did he go?

Plenty of people believe in heaven.

do you mean like several the posters above said "being with God" -- whatever that means. Or something else?

I said that being in Heaven is being with God. God is in Heaven.

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Anonymous wrote:So we're all agreed there's no actual place called heaven? I just wonder where Jesus went when he was bodily resurrected. If there's no actual place called heaven, where did he go?

Plenty of people believe in heaven.

do you mean like several the posters above said "being with God" -- whatever that means. Or something else?

I said that being in Heaven is being with God. God is in Heaven.

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Anonymous wrote:So we're all agreed there's no actual place called heaven? I just wonder where Jesus went when he was bodily resurrected. If there's no actual place called heaven, where did he go?

Plenty of people believe in heaven.

do you mean like several the posters above said "being with God" -- whatever that means. Or something else?

I said that being in Heaven is being with God. God is in Heaven.

Can you explain what that means? Sounds like a tautology.

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Anonymous wrote:If these posters are Catholic, I’m starting to realize that the Jesuit Priest who taught my theology courses at Georgetown was right. So many Catholics are ignorant about their own religion.

I don’t think these posters are Catholic. You can tell they are trolls and/or atheists, posing fake questions about fake children and then adding wikipedia information ‼️ to the thread. It’s such a waste of time.

Op has never returned, she’s SO CONCERNED, but never returns.

By "Fake quetins about fake children" do you mean a hypothetical to try to understand what the person I am interacting with is saying?

Do you think this forum should be just for posters who all believe the same thing to share their belief? Debate or discussion not allowed?

Honest debate is great. Made up posts are a waste of time. Truth is important.

What is "made up" about any of the posts? Seriously, I don't get it. This isn't even about factual details, but discussion and belief.

Really? So op has kids she’s horribly conflicted about baptizing? She’s never once come back past the first post to ask any more questions or tell us more about her issues with her kids and baptism.

That’s what is made up. At the core, it’s some troll pretending to have kids and issues with baptizing them. That’s the problem. There are no kids and op has no one to baptize. Without the fake kids, op is just a lonely, sad person who spends all their time trolling here…and it’s a pattern of posting here. A made up religious situation involving kids, and op posts once and a debate ensues.

This thread was supposed to be about baptism. Then it veered off into is heaven real? Where did Jesus go after his death? Where did the souls in purgatory go? Then: we agree heaven isn’t real, right guys? Right? RIGHT!!

Troll troll troll.

No one said heaven isn't real. That pp said it's not a real "place." So what is it? What's the nature of it? Several posters have tried to address this but the comments have been conflicting.

Make a new thread? Each thread should have a topic. Pretend you have kids and they asked you about going to heaven, and you don’t know what to tell them.
Of course you don’t say their ages, or what religion you are, or what you have previously told your own kids about heaven. You just want some internet strangers to advise you.

?? What's wrong with that? Where would DCUM be without people asking internet strangers for advice?

You take advice from internet strangers about religion? How do you know if the strangers are telling you correct information?

What else do you do in your life, off the advice of internet forums?

There has been some good information on this thread. You should be less cynical. Happy Sunday.

There are plenty of other sources of information about Catholicism, incl this one https://catholicstraightanswers.com/what-is-heaven/ and any catholic priest.

The atheists and anti-theists who constantly post and troll here don’t care about actually having a correct and complete source for their questions. They just want to play gotcha and lie to the few earnest believers who try to answer their questions.

It’s their hobby.

And your hobby is hanging out on the religion forum complaining about trolls?

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Anonymous wrote:So we're all agreed there's no actual place called heaven? I just wonder where Jesus went when he was bodily resurrected. If there's no actual place called heaven, where did he go?

Plenty of people believe in heaven.

do you mean like several the posters above said "being with God" -- whatever that means. Or something else?

I said that being in Heaven is being with God. God is in Heaven.

Can you explain what that means? Sounds like a tautology.

I don’t get what you don’t get.
If you don’t like your parents or their rules, then you can’t live at their house. They will be there. That’s where they reside.

Same with God. If you don’t like Him or His rules, then you can’t go to Heaven. That’s where He is.

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Anonymous wrote:So we're all agreed there's no actual place called heaven? I just wonder where Jesus went when he was bodily resurrected. If there's no actual place called heaven, where did he go?

Plenty of people believe in heaven.

do you mean like several the posters above said "being with God" -- whatever that means. Or something else?

I said that being in Heaven is being with God. God is in Heaven.

Can you explain what that means? Sounds like a tautology.

I don’t get what you don’t get.
If you don’t like your parents or their rules, then you can’t live at their house. They will be there. That’s where they reside.

Same with God. If you don’t like Him or His rules, then you can’t go to Heaven. That’s where He is.

No, it's not the same, as I can tell you where my parent's house is, such as 123 Main Street, Yourtown PA.

To say my parents house is where my parents are is a textbook tautology.

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Anonymous wrote:So we're all agreed there's no actual place called heaven? I just wonder where Jesus went when he was bodily resurrected. If there's no actual place called heaven, where did he go?

Plenty of people believe in heaven.

do you mean like several the posters above said "being with God" -- whatever that means. Or something else?

I said that being in Heaven is being with God. God is in Heaven.

Can you explain what that means? Sounds like a tautology.

I don’t get what you don’t get.
If you don’t like your parents or their rules, then you can’t live at their house. They will be there. That’s where they reside.

Same with God. If you don’t like Him or His rules, then you can’t go to Heaven. That’s where He is.

No, it's not the same, as I can tell you where my parent's house is, such as 123 Main Street, Yourtown PA.

To say my parents house is where my parents are is a textbook tautology.

Ok. I guess that I still don’t understand your question. I’m sorry.

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op never returned. as usual.

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Anonymous wrote:So we're all agreed there's no actual place called heaven? I just wonder where Jesus went when he was bodily resurrected. If there's no actual place called heaven, where did he go?

Plenty of people believe in heaven.

do you mean like several the posters above said "being with God" -- whatever that means. Or something else?

I said that being in Heaven is being with God. God is in Heaven.

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This is what I was taught as well (Quaker). Nobody knows exactly what Heaven and Hell are. Some people speculate that Heaven is being in the presence of God for eternity and Hell is not being in the presence of God. This just means that hell is not necessarily the burning inferno made popular by Dante or that Heaven is a "city" paved in gold where you will interact with the spirits of dead friends and relatives. If you are sitting in church and the pastor/priest describes heaven or hell, just remember this is pure speculation. Are there Christian denominations/sects who don't believe in the concepts of Heaven and Hell?

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Anonymous wrote:So we're all agreed there's no actual place called heaven? I just wonder where Jesus went when he was bodily resurrected. If there's no actual place called heaven, where did he go?

Plenty of people believe in heaven.

do you mean like several the posters above said "being with God" -- whatever that means. Or something else?

I said that being in Heaven is being with God. God is in Heaven.

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This is what I was taught as well (Quaker). Nobody knows exactly what Heaven and Hell are. Some people speculate that Heaven is being in the presence of God for eternity and Hell is not being in the presence of God. This just means that hell is not necessarily the burning inferno made popular by Dante or that Heaven is a "city" paved in gold where you will interact with the spirits of dead friends and relatives. If you are sitting in church and the pastor/priest describes heaven or hell, just remember this is pure speculation. Are there Christian denominations/sects who don't believe in the concepts of Heaven and Hell?

^ That sounds good to me, but some posters above say it is an actual place. It's where God lives. Maybe an alternate dimension somewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:All these questions can be googled for an answer, or op could speak with a member of clergy.

It’s clear that anti-religion posters pose questions to make religion seem cruel, then flee and watch as people comment on their fake dilemma.

op won’t answer what religion she is. once the question has been posted, op rarely shows up again.

God isn’t bound by sacraments, and desires His children be saved.

This is OP. I wasn't able to check in off the thread sooner, my apologies. My background is Protestant, mostly Lutheran but did attend other types of Protestant churches as I moved around after leaving home.

I'm not anti religion in general, nor am I trying to stir something up. I am struggling reconciling my understanding of faith as an adult with the strict tenets I learned growing up. Now as a parent my family is pressuring us to baptize. So I read the ceremony and don't feel comfortable with all the parts I'd have to promise. It feels wrong to just go through the motions if I don't fully believe it. Family members are concerned for my child's soul.